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JustinHesychast
21st July 2007, 09:00 PM
At Promise Keepers, I heard the most interesting thing today.

So we all know that we were made in God's image. Man and woman alike were made in His image. I'm going to go all over the place with this, I wish I could have remembered more.

Names give us identity and purpose. In Genesis, the only name that was mentioned was Adam until after the Fall, in Gen 3:20, did ADAM name Eve, as he had the beasts. He said that in marriage, the woman is on the left because her father's name is more powerful than the man's on the right (which involved something about the right and left hand of God, with Jesus, sheep, and goats, etc.). Then, after marriage, they become one. Literally. They turn around, and now the woman is on the right, and she is now Mrs. Firstnameofman Lastnameofman. And they became, literally, one person. Whatever the husband said to the wife, he said to himself, because the wife took on his name (thus his purpose and identity) and became one.

I wish I could remember more. It was so interesting. I, of course, am asking if any of this makes sense and if it is in any way Orthodox teaching.

Thanks! ^_^

Orthosdoxa
21st July 2007, 09:44 PM
I, of course, am asking if any of this makes sense and if it is in any way Orthodox teaching.

Not in my opinion.

Forgive me.

rusmeister
22nd July 2007, 03:45 AM
Please remember Justin, that these people are trying to reinvent the wheel - they reject a visible Church and its Tradition, so have to come up with it on their own (they refer to their own understanding of Scripture as authority).

Whereas what you read in Orthodox teaching has been hammered out for 2,000 years.

As I was saying before, you might (perhaps) get some benefit out of something like PK. But not if you try to follow their theology.

buzuxi02
22nd July 2007, 04:24 AM
Adam is simply the hebrew word for human, it actually isnt even gender exclusive (see Gen 5.2), and Eve is hebrew for life (Gen 3.20)

They become one thru intercourse and procreation.

Monica, child of God
22nd July 2007, 05:42 AM
And they became, literally, one person. Whatever the husband said to the wife, he said to himself, because the wife took on his name (thus his purpose and identity) and became one.

I take issue with this part. A husband and wife become one flesh but a woman's purpose and identity are not obliterated. She is still a unique child of God with particular gifts to be used in the Church. If marriage reflects the Trinity we see that though the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one, they are still distinct in identity. They share the same purpose true. A husband and wife in Christian marriage should share the same purpose: theosis. But some conservative evangelicals stretch the concept to say that a woman should relinquish all self determination to her husband becoming almost like a child instead of an adult. In a true marriage each partner yeilds 'power' to some degree to serve the other.

M.

Dewi Sant
22nd July 2007, 07:13 AM
This reminds me of something I read in Plato's Symposium.

All humans are looking for their other halves and they are only one person when they are together.

Homosexual men are true men. (man+man)
Homosexual woman are true women (woman+woman)
Heterosexuals are neither true man nor true woman.

Due to their sheer power as being whole, they kept attacking Zeus who in return divided them. For this reason mankind has a longing to find it's other side.

Forgive me, I haven't read the sympsium since I was 14 so I may have forgotten something crucial, but that stuck in my head.
I was in Kos when I was reading it :P
It was a book I couldn't put down...read it all in one night.