Poll For Conservative Christian Faith Icon

[Lisa0315]

When Conservative Christian Forums was formed a few days ago, I proposed that we come up with a unique faith icon so that we could recognize one another when we were in other areas. A member quickly pointed out that there would be many people from denominations also participating in CC, and they would not want to change their icon. I backed down as I fully understood how a Catholic, or a Lutheran, or anyone of any denomination would not want to give up their primary faith icon in order to participate here.

However, to quote GreenMunchkin, Conservative is such a fluid word. It can mean alot of things, and even though we have defined who we are in our Statement of Beliefs wiki, I am not sure that everyone who comes to CC is reading that.

We have seen very aggressive fundementalists here who hurt one of our newest members in this forum. That member has left our group as she felt very unwelcome despite many attempts to bring her back.

I am proposing that debate be limited only to those who have a Conservative Christian faith icon. Those who choose to keep other denominational icons will be limited to fellowship and questions only.

We can decide on what the icon should be later. We can perhaps incorporate something that would remind us of our Love Rule. <shrug> I don't know. Whatever is decided is fine.

I just want to see what people think of the idea of having a unique faith icon for Conservatives. This would be worn only by those who consider CC their Congregational home.

There will be no hard feelings if people are opposed to this idea. I love all of you and I am just looking to see if people would like to do this.

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

Beginning to see the sense in it, you know.

Plus, in OBOB they've implemented this rule that everyone must be recommended by at least 3 members of that forum before they actually get the icon. That would safeguard, also.

[Lisa0315]

Beginning to see the sense in it, you know.

Plus, in OBOB they've implemented this rule that everyone must be recommended by at least 3 members of that forum before they actually get the icon. That would safeguard, also.

I like that, and I don't like that. It sounds a bit exclusive, which I do not want. However, if it were based solely on doctrine and absolutely no personal past things were brought into it, I might support it. I would really, really have to think about that one.

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

I did a double take when I saw that, too. But if it means we can avoid people like yesterday, it's worth thinking about. Everyone should feel welcome, but if a few people are willfully making things ugly and uncomfortable... :(

[MrJim]

maybe, if we can keep an original + add the conservative to it.

we need more icons and doodads and geehaws...

[Lisa0315]

maybe, if we can keep an original + add the conservative to it.

we need more icons and doodads and geehaws...

Oh, that is a GREAT compromise! Maybe a Circle C or perhaps just "cc" or anything. I really like this idea! It excludes no one, but identifies us to each other!

Of course, how would that keep the bad apples out?

Lisa

[SunMessenger]

I did a double take when I saw that, too. But if it means we can avoid people like yesterday, it's worth thinking about. Everyone should feel welcome, but if a few people are willfully making things ugly and uncomfortable... :(
Let them act up. I missed what happened yesterday. I have not found the posts yet but if someone did act up let it go.

That just sheds light on the need for some honest enforcement. There is nothing wrong with enforcement if the intent of it is to protect and not hinder.

If you read this PM we with a link that will clear up what I missed. I would appreciate it.

Sun

[CyberPaladin]

I fully agree we need some kind symbol in place and I do believe it would eliminate some of the trouble because people who are really liberal and view themselves as such aren't for the most part going to want to be identfying themselves with another group. Yes I do realize some will but most won't.

[Lisa0315]

Let them act up. I missed what happened yesterday. I have not found the posts yet but if someone did act up let it go.

That just sheds light on the need for some honest enforcement. There is nothing wrong with enforcement if the intent of it is to protect and not hinder.

If you read this PM we with a link that will clear up what I missed. I would appreciate it.

Sun

Thank you for the opening. I was just looking for somewhere to post this. An interesting development...

http://www.christianforums.com/t5730299-womens-ordination.html

[Iosias]

I think providing the option of having one is a good idea however I will probably stick with the Anglican icon.

[SunMessenger]

Thank you for the opening. I was just looking for somewhere to post this. An interesting development...

http://www.christianforums.com/t5730299-womens-ordination.html
I have not had time to read the enire thread. Busy weekend here but I posted my answer to the original question. Not the most conservative answer but one I truly believe in.

Thanks and I will try as hard as I can to get caught up when that become possible.

Sun

[MrJim]

maybe, if we can keep an original + add the conservative to it.

we need more icons and doodads and geehaws...

I was being sarcastic here lisa;)

[Debi1967]

You know this would mean you would have to leave your home foras ... Ex I would have to give up my Catholic icon for new one

I think we should stick to a master list that the mods can reference to

[GreenMunchkin]

Ooh, a master list isn't a bad idea. It could be a sticky, and people would still need 3 (or more) people to okay them...

[Lisa0315]

You know this would mean you would have to leave your home foras ... Ex I would have to give up my Catholic icon for new one

I think we should stick to a master list that the mods can reference to

Well, an idea has come up to leave everyone's faith icon in tact, but have an additional icon that would identify us as Conservative. That one would be a membership only type thing.

Lisa

[Debi1967]

Well, an idea has come up to leave everyone's faith icon in tact, but have an additional icon that would identify us as Conservative. That one would be a membership only type thing.

Lisa
I could go for that now that is a great idea

[Letalis]

Master list is a good idea.

[Lisa0315]

I could go for that now that is a great idea

The funny thing is the idea originated as sarcasm, but I think the idea has merit.

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I like the idea...:thumbsup:

[Lisa0315]

How many current Conservative members do we have? I am not sure this is a consensus yet, but we are a very small group right now.

We have a roll call of sorts in the Introductions thread. Maybe that would be a good place to start.

Lisa

[desmalia]

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[Lisa0315]

(Sorry, I know you don't want to hear from Fundies, but I do think you'll be OK with this comment from me). :)

We're deciding on an icon for the Fundie forums well, and I think it's a good idea. I don't like the idea of having to give up the denominational icon to apply the new one though. It needs to be implemented somehow so that both can be used. I'm sure the more groups that want these, the more likely CF will make the changes. The liberals will likely want one as well, and perhaps a few other groups. LOL. maybe this will be something we all actually agree on!

Desmalia, Thank You for that. I agree that a second icon and demanded by more than one group is a great idea.

I would not exclude you from this forum and being a fundie does not exclude you. It is a matter of speaking with each other in love and I have never known you to not do that.

Lisa

[desmalia]

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[Lisa0315]

Thanks Lisa. That is very kind of you to say. :)
I'm not so sure the rest of this group will agree with you on that, so I'm still kinda waiting to see if this is a place I can "hang out" or not. Looks like there is still a lot to be decided here.

This forum does not exclude fundementalists. I think at this point we are just trying to define behavior, not membership. We are also looking at a way to identify those who consider this their congregational home rather than just those who post here some. The ONLY reason that we are doing that at all is because of problems that have already arose in the last few days.


I am here because of intolerance towards others. I want this to be a warm place of fellowship and discussion. I do not want to exclude anyone. That is why we want to keep our congregational icons and add a Conservative icon to it. I see no reason why one cannot be a Fundie and a Conservie and a Catholic or whatever. However, we just want to set up some guidelines so that people can feel safe and not attacked in a manner that Conservatives do not want.

That is all. I hope I made that clear, and I am by no means speaking for anyone but myself. I am just trying to describe what I THINK is the consensus. I could be very wrong.

:hug:

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I'm really, really, really starting to see the need for this Lisa. Hope we can get it done soon.

[Lisa0315]

I'm really, really, really starting to see the need for this Lisa. Hope we can get it done soon.

Well, how many members do we need to have a consensus. We have a majority vote, but a very, very small number of voters. Believe me, polls are not my friend at CF. :D

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Well, how many members do we need to have a consensus. We have a majority vote, but a very, very small number of voters. Believe me, polls are not my friend at CF. :D

Lisa
^_^ I can't imagine why...:doh: ;)

[Lisa0315]

^_^ I can't imagine why...:doh: ;)

:P ^_^

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Shoot...I lost my last post. I hate it when that happens! :doh:

I was making an attempt at listing the members so far. I'm pretty sure we don't have a consensus as of yet however. There were at least 20 names I had on the list at this point.

[Lisa0315]

Shoot...I lost my last post. I hate it when that happens! :doh:

I was making an attempt at listing the members so far. I'm pretty sure we don't have a consensus as of yet however. There were at least 20 names I had on the list at this point.

Yeah, we need to get them over here. Would you be willing to take the list and split it and we will send PM's to everyone?

Lisa

[CyberPaladin]

It's so nice of you Lisa to undertake this project.:hug:

[Lisa0315]

It's so nice of you Lisa to undertake this project.:hug:

Thanks! I am here to serve! Pie anyone? ^_^

Lisa

[CyberPaladin]

Mmm... Pie

[Debi1967]

Shoot...I lost my last post. I hate it when that happens! :doh:

I was making an attempt at listing the members so far. I'm pretty sure we don't have a consensus as of yet however. There were at least 20 names I had on the list at this point.
Wait where am I supposed to sign in at ??????????????????

[Lisa0315]

Wait where am I supposed to sign in at ??????????????????

LOL! I don't know! I would think the introduction thingie. If there was a roll call, I didn't "sign up" either.

Lisa

[MrJim]

Thanks! I am here to serve! Pie anyone? ^_^

Lisa

Any Key Lime?

[Lisa0315]

Any Key Lime?

Of course!

http://www.keywestliving.com/Key_Lime_Pie_Photo.jpg

[MMXII]

One question, if I don't have a CC icon I won't be able to post in that fora?

[tel0004]

I voted yes, as I think its a great idea. If there was a Fundamentalist icon also, I would choose that, as it describes me better.

I think all fundamentalist are conservative, but not all conservatives are fundamentalist. I think it would be nice for everybody to have their choice.

[CyberPaladin]

One question, if I don't have a CC icon I won't be able to post in that fora?
If I understand it correctly you would still be able to post questions and in fellowship threads just not in debate/discussion.

[MMXII]

If I understand it correctly you would still be able to post questions and in fellowship threads just not in debate/discussion.
Gotcha, thanks.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Yeah, we need to get them over here. Would you be willing to take the list and split it and we will send PM's to everyone?

Lisa

Sure...:)

Wait where am I supposed to sign in at ??????????????????

LOL! I don't know! I would think the introduction thingie. If there was a roll call, I didn't "sign up" either.

Lisa

I made a sign up thread here (http://www.christianforums.com/t5746943-sign-in.html#post36937718)...:)

[PaladinGirl]

Yes, I would love to see that! However, there should also be icons for the Fundamentalists, Liberals, and Moderates. :)

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Yes, I would love to see that! However, there should also be icons for the Fundamentalists, Liberals, and Moderates. :)
Absolutely! I think someone said the fundamentalists have one already. Not sure where I read that now...:scratch:

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

(Sorry, I know you don't want to hear from Fundies, but I do think you'll be OK with this comment from me). :)

We're deciding on an icon for the Fundie forums well, and I think it's a good idea. I don't like the idea of having to give up the denominational icon to apply the new one though. It needs to be implemented somehow so that both can be used. I'm sure the more groups that want these, the more likely CF will make the changes. The liberals will likely want one as well, and perhaps a few other groups. LOL. maybe this will be something we all actually agree on!

Ok...I found it! Here's what was said...

Well, an idea has come up to leave everyone's faith icon in tact, but have an additional icon that would identify us as Conservative. That one would be a membership only type thing.

Lisa
And I really like this part of it too...:thumbsup: That way we would be able to have two icons. :)

[Letalis]

In our profiles, there is an option to choose your life view.

"Liberal, Moderate, Conservative, Fundamentalist"

(Not sure if someone brought that up already).

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

In our profiles, there is an option to choose your life view.

"Liberal, Moderate, Conservative, Fundamentalist"

(Not sure if someone brought that up already).
Yeah...but does it show an icon?

[Lisa0315]

In our profiles, there is an option to choose your life view.

"Liberal, Moderate, Conservative, Fundamentalist"

Very true. Could code be added so that it looks at Conservative before counting a vote?

Lisa

[Letalis]

It's possible, but I think it would make more sense to just count the votes manually. Those that display a "conservative" life view would have their votes counted, and those that don't would have their votes discounted.

[NewGuy101]

Conservative Icon would be awesome, but I will keep my calvinist icon.

[talitha]

I voted NO, because when I read the OP, I saw it as another attempt to boot me out of here...... LOL! I'm not going to give up having an icon that identifies me as some kind of Charismatic, and I'm not going to stop posting in here, in whatever threads I want to, unless a mod kicks me out of here.

Right now I'm also helping to develop the Charismatic-Non-WOF Subforum, though not as actively as this one (I wasn't in on it as quickly) - and my faith icon will probably reflect that.

maybe, if we can keep an original + add the conservative to it.

we need more icons and doodads and geehaws...
Agreed!

In our profiles, there is an option to choose your life view.

"Liberal, Moderate, Conservative, Fundamentalist"

(Not sure if someone brought that up already).
Hey - we could suggest in the overall forum that when people choose one of those in their profile, that then they would display some kind of badge thingie by their username along with the other icons?? But then there are people like JetGirl who are conservatives according to life-view (they would say) and self-identify as NONChristians. This could be a problem.

Conservative Icon would be awesome, but I will keep my calvinist icon.
Agreed.

blessings all around
tal

PS -
Mmm... Pie
I just took a berry-pie out of the oven not thirty minutes ago - really!

[PaladinGirl]

Absolutely! I think someone said the fundamentalists have one already. Not sure where I read that now...:scratch:

Hmm, I have not seen it before. Are you sure they have one? :confused:

Conservative Icon would be awesome, but I will keep my calvinist icon.

If its coded right, you could have your Calvinist icon plus a conservative icon!

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Hmm, I have not seen it before. Are you sure they have one? :confused:



If its coded right, you could have your Calvinist icon plus a conservative icon!
No...I found the source and my memory on this was wrong. He said they were "deciding on an icon for the Fundie forums as well". :)

[Hishandmaiden]

I won't be using a conservative icon, prefer a christian one.

Since I participate in pentecoastal, fundie forum and some other congregational forum besides here.

But I won't mind seeing a conservative icon being created.

[Lisa0315]

I voted NO, because when I read the OP, I saw it as another attempt to boot me out of here...... LOL! I'm not going to give up having an icon that identifies me as some kind of Charismatic, and I'm not going to stop posting in here, in whatever threads I want to, unless a mod kicks me out of here.

Right now I'm also helping to develop the Charismatic-Non-WOF Subforum, though not as actively as this one (I wasn't in on it as quickly) - and my faith icon will probably reflect that.


Agreed!


Hey - we could suggest in the overall forum that when people choose one of those in their profile, that then they would display some kind of badge thingie by their username along with the other icons?? But then there are people like JetGirl who are conservatives according to life-view (they would say) and self-identify as NONChristians. This could be a problem.


Agreed.

blessings all around
tal

PS -

I just took a berry-pie out of the oven not thirty minutes ago - really!

The OP changed her position once another option was made. I like the idea of being able to have a denominational icon and a lifeview icon. We can have both and it is not intended to exclude anyone.

Lisa

[SunMessenger]

The OP changed her position once another option was made. I like the idea of being able to have a denominational icon and a lifeview icon. We can have both and it is not intended to exclude anyone.

Lisa
You know before I agree to any icon I would need to know the ramifications. I do not want to be restricted or separated . I am a Christian and I would like to be just that. A simple Christian man who believes in Jesus Christ and accepts Him as my personal Savior.

How does this new icon thing reflect on those views ?

[Lisa0315]

You know before I agree to any icon I would need to know the ramifications. I do not want to be restricted or separated . I am a Christian and I would like to be just that. A simple Christian man who believes in Jesus Christ and accepts Him as my personal Savior.

How does this new icon thing reflect on those views ?


I think it will be used for voting purposes. It would not be fair for groups who do not share our vision to come in, make rules, then leave.

For example, if a Liberal Christian came in and voted, that would not be fair as we are not Liberals, but Conservatives.

Lisa

[SunMessenger]

I think it will be used for voting purposes. It would not be fair for groups who do not share our vision to come in, make rules, then leave.

For example, if a Liberal Christian came in and voted, that would not be fair as we are not Liberals, but Conservatives.

Lisa
Oh. Well if it is just for voting then I am in favor of it.

[NewGuy101]

Hmm, I have not seen it before. Are you sure they have one? :confused:



If its coded right, you could have your Calvinist icon plus a conservative icon!

I participate in the fundie forum as well, so it would be best if I just keep the calvinist icon.

[Albion]

When Conservative Christian Forums was formed a few days ago, I proposed that we come up with a unique faith icon so that we could recognize one another when we were in other areas. A member quickly pointed out that there would be many people from denominations also participating in CC, and they would not want to change their icon. I backed down as I fully understood how a Catholic, or a Lutheran, or anyone of any denomination would not want to give up their primary faith icon in order to participate here.

However, to quote GreenMunchkin, Conservative is such a fluid word. It can mean alot of things, and even though we have defined who we are in our Statement of Beliefs wiki, I am not sure that everyone who comes to CC is reading that.

We have seen very aggressive fundementalists here who hurt one of our newest members in this forum. That member has left our group as she felt very unwelcome despite many attempts to bring her back.

I am proposing that debate be limited only to those who have a Conservative Christian faith icon. Those who choose to keep other denominational icons will be limited to fellowship and questions only.

We can decide on what the icon should be later. We can perhaps incorporate something that would remind us of our Love Rule. <shrug> I don't know. Whatever is decided is fine.

I just want to see what people think of the idea of having a unique faith icon for Conservatives. This would be worn only by those who consider CC their Congregational home.

There will be no hard feelings if people are opposed to this idea. I love all of you and I am just looking to see if people would like to do this.

Lisa

Something in me likes the idea, but I don't know how to say yes or no until I know how 'Conservative' is going to be defined. If it turns out to be "anyone who loves Jesus," as some seem to be angling for, there'd hardly be any point in having an icon or a forum.

[PostTribber]

it's just an icon, but the 'body' has already been hacked up into enough denominations, do we really need to separate ourselves from each other further? :doh:

[Hishandmaiden]

Can we have multiple icons? I like to have conservative, fundi, and pentecoastal/spirit-filled and a general christian icon.

Haha. I like christian. Because that is what I am. A christian.

I am a conservative christian. A fundemental at times, kind of christian. A christian who is charismatic.

But I am a christian.

Meaning Christ is my savior.

[Albion]

I think it will be used for voting purposes. It would not be fair for groups who do not share our vision to come in, make rules, then leave.

For example, if a Liberal Christian came in and voted, that would not be fair as we are not Liberals, but Conservatives.

Lisa

Hi.

I agree totally with that. What I'm having trouble with is those who are conservative and would want to be here but by giving up their denominational icon would compromise being also with their own church people. They wouldn't want to do that, naturally. If two icons were possible... Are you saying that this is possible now?

[Hishandmaiden]

Hi.

I agree totally with that. What I'm having trouble with is those who are conservative and would want to be here but by giving up their denominational icon would compromise being also with their own church people. They wouldn't want to do that, naturally. If two icons were possible... Are you saying that this is possible now?
I am one such conservative person.

[Lisa0315]

Hi.

I agree totally with that. What I'm having trouble with is those who are conservative and would want to be here but by giving up their denominational icon would compromise being also with their own church people. They wouldn't want to do that, naturally. If two icons were possible... Are you saying that this is possible now?

Actually, it is possible right now without any coding. We could use the lifeview instead of an extra coding. Now, we would want to code our polls so that only one with a Conservative Lifeview would vote. I think this was a suggestion by Letalis. This poll is not binding. It is simply to find out if this is something the membership would like to do.

Lisa

[Sophia7]

And I really like this part of it too...:thumbsup: That way we would be able to have two icons. :)

This is the only way I would be in favor of the idea, if we had two separate icons. I think a lot of people would rather not give up their current faith icon, but a second icon is a good idea.

[Lisa0315]

I think we have a consensus. I base this on the following:

There are currently about 20 members of Conservative Christians. We have 16 votes.

There are 10 yes votes
There are 3 no votes
There are 3 Other votes

If the remaining 4 voters were split between yes and no, and the 3 Other votes were split between yes and no, we would have these results:

Yes: 13.5 votes 67.5%
No: 6.5 votes 32.5%

Do we agree that this is a consensus, and do I have permission from the group to begin researching a SECOND icon or coding of voting based on the LifeView. These icons would be used to identify us one to another, and disqualify people from voting if they do not have a Conservative icon.

I would also add in some language that the founding members must vote on anyone else who gets voting rights. I do this to avoid people from changing their SECOND icon or Lifeview back and forth simply to get voting rights here.

These are merely suggestions. I am in no way trying to usurp authority over this group. I am only here to serve.

Lisa

[TomUK]

I voted no. I would support the idea of a secondary icon (one to demonstrate denomination, the other to demonstrate theology) but as that it is not an option at the moment then i do not support its creation.

[Albion]

I think we have a consensus. I base this on the following:

There are currently about 20 members of Conservative Christians. We have 16 votes.

There are 10 yes votes
There are 3 no votes
There are 3 Other votes

If the remaining 4 voters were split between yes and no, and the 3 Other votes were split between yes and no, we would have these results:

Yes: 13.5 votes 67.5%
No: 6.5 votes 32.5%

Do we agree that this is a consensus, and do I have permission from the group to begin researching a SECOND icon or coding of voting based on the LifeView. These icons would be used to identify us one to another, and disqualify people from voting if they do not have a Conservative icon.

I would also add in some language that the founding members must vote on anyone else who gets voting rights. I do this to avoid people from changing their SECOND icon or Lifeview back and forth simply to get voting rights here.

These are merely suggestions. I am in no way trying to usurp authority over this group. I am only here to serve.

Lisa

I agree with all of that. You're thinking very clearly.

My one reservation is that there still has to be a willingness to adhere to the forum's self-description, whenever we get one, for anyone to get the icon. Merely being here since the founding doesn't make one a Conservative Christian.

[Lisa0315]

I voted no. I would support the idea of a secondary icon (one to demonstrate denomination, the other to demonstrate theology) but as that it is not an option at the moment then i do not support its creation.

Tom,
This poll is not binding, and what we did find out is that NO ONE wants an individual CC icon, but most do want a SECOND icon for the purposes of voting participation.

I will NOT, I assure you, seek a CC icon that replaces denominational icons. If you wish, I can close this poll, and make a second proposal to be voted upon.

I really want to make sure that this is being done properly and everyone is happy with it.

Lisa

[Albion]

I voted no. I would support the idea of a secondary icon (one to demonstrate denomination, the other to demonstrate theology) but as that it is not an option at the moment then i do not support its creation.

She said all of that was based upon a second icon being permissible.

[TomUK]

*mental note - only vote after reading all subsequent posts in a thread* :sorry:

[Lisa0315]

*mental note - only vote after reading all subsequent posts in a thread* :sorry:

It's okay!!!! I started a second poll which will be more clear. It is hard to read through hundreds of posts. I don't blame you a bit! Go to CC and you should see the second poll which now clarifies that it will be a SECOND icon.

Lisa