Time to step to the plate Conservatives

[nyj]

WIKI Poll on Signatures and Avatars (http://www.christianforums.com/t5731544-poll-for-controversial-signatures-and-avatars.html)

Choice #5 is the Pro-Life choice.

Choose life!

[MariaRegina]

I did so, but it looks like we are being outvoted.

And what about sock accounts? Is there any way to verify that these are not duplicate votes from socks?

[nyj]

We're gaining ground. Get the word out. PM people that you know to get them to vote.

If it turns out that lots of people vote and they have very low post totals, it can be pointed out. Whatever we do, don't vote with socks or create accounts to vote on this. We'll make an ethical stand for what is right.

[Letalis]

I wish I had known there were multiple options.

[MariaRegina]

I think she should have made that option clear in the title.

Is there anyway of scraping the vote and repolling?

but then it appears that 1, 7, and 8 will overweigh 5.

[nyj]

There are literally people who have voted for every option except #4 and #5.

[Letalis]

What I'm hoping will happen is choices 1 and 5 will gain the majority of votes. Then another vote is held to decide between the two.

[MrJim]

All polls should be PUBLIC on this stuff

:doh: :doh:

[MariaRegina]

Polls are public, but socks are hidden.

[talitha]

after my vote,

1=37
5=35

[nyj]

What I'm hoping will happen is choices 1 and 5 will gain the majority of votes. Then another vote is held to decide between the two.That wouldn't be good. I suspect 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, and 8 are drawing some votes away from #1. I think with all the options, with all Christians pulling for #5, this is our best bet for getting #5 through.

If we have a "run off" those votes probably go to #1.

[Letalis]

That wouldn't be good. I suspect 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, and 8 are drawing some votes away from #1. I think with all the options, with all Christians pulling for #5, this is our best bet for getting #5 through.

If we have a "run off" those votes probably go to #1.
You're right.

I didn't think it all the way through.

I feel guilty that I voted for choice 1, which is mainly why I wanted a chance to redeem myself. :D

[MariaRegina]

Letalis,

Maybe you can PM Matrona and get her on our side for the revote.

[GreenMunchkin]

Voted.

Having to vote, at all, is boggling.

[talitha]

Voted.

Having to vote, at all, is boggling.
I soooooooo agree!

[MariaRegina]

There are literally people who have voted for every option except #4 and #5.

And some have voted for all options except #5.

So, it is not random, #5 is being singled out for a no vote.

[Letalis]

Letalis,

Maybe you can PM Matrona and get her on our side for the revote.
I don't know if there will be a revote, but if there is, I'll make sure to get everyone I can to vote for the pro-life stance.

[tel0004]

Voted!

[CyberPaladin]

I voted but those opposing traditional christian vaules lead is widening
1=50

5=47

[hazeleyes80]

:doh: :doh: :doh: I accidentally misread #5 before I read about it here. I voted for #1. :doh: :doh: I did respond asking to change my vote though.

[nyj]

Figures. Now that #5 is in the lead, it's not a real election.

Farcical.

[Hishandmaiden]

Voted.

Having to vote, at all, is boggling.
I agree, too.

[Greenthumb]

Figures. Now that #5 is in the lead, it's not a real election.

Farcical.
Do you mean it's only an opinion poll?

[nyj]

Do you mean it's only an opinion poll?More or less. Supposedly it'll determine what to do in the NEXT ROUND of voting.

[CyberPaladin]

Why am I not surprised.

[Greenthumb]

More or less. Supposedly it'll determine what to do in the NEXT ROUND of voting.
Ah...oh well. I guess this was good practice for the real thing then. ;)

[nyj]

Why am I not surprised.At this point is it any wonder that we're all skeptical about this system and its ability to be fair?

[CyberPaladin]

At this point is it any wonder that we're all skeptical about this system and its ability to be fair?
Well to be fair some of us are past being skeptical and just waiting for them to drive us off the board.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Ok...Im going to sound somewhat liberal to a few of you by what Im about to say but here goes...

I'm not sure what the big deal is in letting people state their opinion. Is God not big enough to deal with that? Are we not big enough to deal with that? Why are we so threatened by someone else's opinion? Granted...like I stated in the poll thread...I would like the option to turn certain peoples siggys off while keeping those I like on...but who cares what they say? Why is it always us against them? I guess I've belonged to other forums who are, and always will be, far worse than this one. So what I've seen here is pretty tame in comparison.

Here's another thought to ponder...doesn't the Bible say we're not supposed to argue about these types of issues but rather show them love...
Romans 14

The Danger of Criticism

1 Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong. 2 For instance, one person believes it’s all right to eat anything. But another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. 3 Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don’t. And those who don’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them.

Now I know the issues we are talking about are different than this...but I don't think arguing like we have been about this is winning anyone over to Christ. Do you?

[Lisa0315]

Figures. Now that #5 is in the lead, it's not a real election.

Farcical.

Hello nyj,
Do you think it would be possible to stop misrepresenting me here? The first two posts in the thread explain EVERYTHING. I didn't change the rules once #5 was in the lead. I also know for a fact that you KNOW that isn't true.

I would greatly appreciate it if you would stop questioning my integrity. Every single concern by every single poster has been addressed. I have done everything that I know how to make it as fair as possible. I have even asked two times if we should stop the poll and go back to wiki to figure out how to make the poll the most fair. In both cases, the overwhelming majority wanted to continue.

So, why are you doing this to me, brother? What do you have against me? Do you think that you should perhaps go to PM with me and tell me exactly why you are so vehemently and so aggressively attempting to undermine my reputation? Or you can do it publicly. I have nothing to hide. I would like a chance to work on whatever offense you seem to think that I have done to you or to this forum.

Lisa

[Debi1967]

post retracted because my behaviour was unchristianlike and abhorant

[Debi1967]

Hello nyj,
Do you think it would be possible to stop misrepresenting me here? The first two posts in the thread explain EVERYTHING. I didn't change the rules once #5 was in the lead. I also know for a fact that you KNOW that isn't true.

I would greatly appreciate it if you would stop questioning my integrity. Every single concern by every single poster has been addressed. I have done everything that I know how to make it as fair as possible. I have even asked two times if we should stop the poll and go back to wiki to figure out how to make the poll the most fair. In both cases, the overwhelming majority wanted to continue.

So, why are you doing this to me, brother? What do you have against me? Do you think that you should perhaps go to PM with me and tell me exactly why you are so vehemently and so aggressively attempting to undermine my reputation? Or you can do it publicly. I have nothing to hide. I would like a chance to work on whatever offense you seem to think that I have done to you or to this forum.

Lisa
Lisa exactly what is the approach being taken to tally all the votes .... Please explain it to me

[Lisa0315]

Lisa exactly what is the approach being taken to tally all the votes .... Please explain it to me

It doesn't matter now...The poll will be closed shortly.

Lisa

[Letalis]

Good grief. :doh:

[Debi1967]

Good grief. :doh:
gotta love me ....... LOL

[nyj]

In both cases, the overwhelming majority wanted to continue.This has been pointed out before, but I'll do it again.

The overwhelming majority represents maybe, tops, 50 people or so who were involved in that WIKI from its conception. We're a site of, on a daily basis, over a 1000 regular posters. A lot of people were busy getting established in new forums, getting their congregational fora WIKI's in working order, and other business ... essentially recovering from the reforms. I bet the majority of the site wasn't even aware that this was going on.

So don't talk to me about "majorities", and especially not "overwhelming majorities" either. Maybe the people in that thread, but they represent a very small, and sometimes very loud set of CF members. Look at the WIKI's and you see just about every A type personality this site has on the rolls. That includes me.

The OP makes no mention of the exact foundation of the guidelines for the poll. It lists the options. The second post is "kinda sorta" specific. You don't define what would be considered a "clear consensus" in that 2nd post. Is it a 5% separation between the 1st and 2nd vote getters? Is it a 10% separation? 15%? 20%? Nevermind the fact that it's hard to get a "clear consensus" when you allow a multiple choice poll. It gives those who picked multiple options, a larger voice.

Add to this the fact that some options are predicated on Erwin coding, something which he hasn't been asked to even consider ... well, what's the use in having that option anyways?

And then later on in the thread, you admit to "winging it". Given the potential impact of this entire process, "winging it" is a Bad Idea.

Since you didn't properly define the process, even a 25% separation could leave open the possibility of people who hate option #5 screaming for a recount if it winds up winning. Which essentially disenfranchises a whole lot of people. Those people basically being the conservative element of this site. Or what is left of it.

In the thread, I applauded your zeal. I appreciate someone tackling the issue at all. But, it needs to mature, and not be rushed. Like I said, we're currently acting like a herd of turtles.

[Lisa0315]

This has been pointed out before, but I'll do it again.

The overwhelming majority represents maybe, tops, 50 people or so. We're a site of, on a daily basis, over a 1000 regular posters.

So don't talk to me about "majorities", and especially not "overwhelming majorities" either. Maybe the people in that thread, but they represent a very small, and sometimes very loud set of CF members.

The OP makes no mention of the exact foundation of the guidelines for the poll. It lists the options. The second post is "kinda sorta" specific. You don't define what would be considered a "clear consensus" in that 2nd post. Is it a 5% separation between the 1st and 2nd vote getters? Is it a 10% separation? 15%? 20%?

And then later on in the thread, you admit to "winging it". Given the potential impact of this entire process, "winging it" is a Bad Idea.

Since you didn't properly define the process, even a 25% separation could leave open the possibility of people who hate option #5 screaming for a recount. Which essentially disenfranchises a whole lot of people. Those people basically being the conservative element of this site. Or what is left of it.

Like I said, herd of turtles.

Regardless, your insinuation that I had a biased reason for shutting down the poll is beyond my understanding.

Have a good day.

Lisa

[Angel4Truth]

Something is wrong, i voted on choice 5 while the poll was still open and i dont see my vote there now?????????

[Lisa0315]

Something is wrong, i voted on choice 5 while the poll was still open and i dont see my vote there now?????????

I have no idea, but the poll is now closed. We are back in wiki trying to elect a committee to come up with a better plan of action and insure the integrity of the next poll. Do you need a link to the wiki?

Lisa

[talitha]

I have no idea, but the poll is now closed. We are back in wiki trying to elect a committee to come up with a better plan of action and insure the integrity of the next poll. Do you need a link to the wiki?

Lisa
PLEASE>


I don't know where all this Wiki stuff is. It's all very confusing.

[Angel4Truth]

Um i think someone needs to know why and how a vote isnt there now that was there before and how many other people who voted have votes that seem non existant now

[Lisa0315]

PLEASE>


I don't know where all this Wiki stuff is. It's all very confusing.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5686494-wiki-controversial-issues-rule-for-signatures-and-avatars.html

Sorry it took so long. I can hardly keep up.

Lisa

[Grizzly]

...we're currently acting like a herd of turtles.

*shnort* Thats a funny image...

[Grizzly]

More or less. Supposedly it'll determine what to do in the NEXT ROUND of voting.

Well, without knowing more, I think they set it up so that any decision needs 50% of the people to endorse and none of the options have that. Think of it like a primary.

[nyj]

Well, without knowing more, I think they set it up so that any decision needs 50% of the people to endorse and none of the options have that. Think of it like a primary.The poll was cut off about a week early. Last time I had checked, IIRC #5 was sitting at around 48% and only 10% of the CF population had voted.

[Grizzly]

The poll was cut off about a week early. Last time I had checked, IIRC #5 was sitting at around 48% and only 10% of the CF population had voted.

Hmm. Sounds like the percentage of Americans that vote in a non presidential election cycle.

[GreenMunchkin]

I know this isn't the point of your signature but, dude, is that turtle levitating? Cos, that's an impressive turtle.

[CyberPaladin]

This wiki is all very confusing but what you do expect with juts under 200,000 members its going to be very hard to come up with with consice way to handle things that everyone is going to consider to be fair on the fly.

[Lisa0315]

For anyone who cares...In one of the reports, a mod commented about this thread as one to "watch"...

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

It's the levitating turtles. They can get wicked rowdy.