Women's Ordination

[yourescuedme]

I think it's fine. I look at the Gospels and see that the first people to go tell the good news that Jesus had risen from the grave were women, not men. I see this as important because there are a lot of men in the church that think women cannot do as competent a job as men as pastors.

[Albion]

I think it's fine. I look at the Gospels and see that the first people to go tell the good news that Jesus had risen from the grave were women, not men. I see this as important because there are a lot of men in the church that think women cannot do as competent a job as men as pastors.

It's not a "job," even if we treat vocations that way because we have to pay the pastors. It's a divine calling.

If it were a job, I might agree with you, but there still is a problem. Even though the women were first to see the risen Christ, nowhere in scripture does he give them the responsibilities that he does give to the Apostles--preach, baptise, forgive sins, etc., i.e. all the functions that make for a pastor.

[talitha]

preach, baptise, forgive sins, etc

it is my understanding that these responsibilities are given to the whole church, not just the Apostles.

[talitha]

I am wondering if you might feel more at home in the "Apostolic" forum, Albion. There really isn't a magic number of times you can repeat something that will make everyone here agree with you.

[Albion]

I am wondering if you might feel more at home in the "Apostolic" forum, Albion. There really isn't a magic number of times you can repeat something that will make everyone here agree with you.

I'll be the one to decide that, Tal.

But as for your main gripe, I could say with just as much logic that everyone who doesn't support scripture on this issue should leave for somewhere else, huh? After all, that's supposed to be a basis for membership here.

And it's not as though we haven't read over and over again that women are capable and that's all that matters when it come to being ordained. Do you suppose that there is a magic number of times that will make this frog of a rationalization into a prince?

[Albion]

preach, baptise, forgive sins, etc

it is my understanding that these responsibilities are given to the whole church, not just the Apostles.

Well, that may indeed be your understanding. But it is wrong, and the verses have already been laid before you proving it. Of course, if I repeat them again because you have forgotten them, you'll be posting that I should get off the forum for having repeated myself.

[talitha]

I've put you on the defense again...... I'm sorry, Albion, I didn't mean that in a mean way, but it sure looks like I did now that I read your response. I had given up on this thread - just thought I needed to practice what I preached about "agreeing to disagree" - and then - whoops! - I slipped up.....

This thread was a very interesting one - we've all showed more of our true colors than we probably would like to have shown - the problems with the CCF have come out, particularly the fact that we all define "conservative" differently and expect everyone else to go by our defnition.......

not sure what to do about that.....
blessings anyway be upon you and yours
tal

[GreenMunchkin]

preach, baptise, forgive sins, etc

it is my understanding that these responsibilities are given to the whole church, not just the Apostles.:amen: :hug:

[Albion]

I've put you on the defense again...... I'm sorry, Albion, I didn't mean that in a mean way, but it sure looks like I did now that I read your response. I had given up on this thread - just thought I needed to practice what I preached about "agreeing to disagree" - and then - whoops! - I slipped up.....

This thread was a very interesting one - we've all showed more of our true colors than we probably would like to have shown - the problems with the CCF have come out, particularly the fact that we all define "conservative" differently and expect everyone else to go by our defnition.......

not sure what to do about that.....
blessings anyway be upon you and yours
tal

Yes, I am a conservative and would love the forum to be a place where conservatives are not deliberately made to feel on the defensive for posting conservative viewpoints. There's already been at least one poster who felt chased away for that precise reason--made to feel unwelcome for being conserative and posting conservative Christian thoughts on an allegedly conservative forum.

Even if some here would like a broader meaning for "conservative" than Webster gives us, they ought to be able to see that to uphold the customary and usual Christian view can in no way be UNconservative, can't they?

[Steelerbred33]

I have always struggled with those "women" verses since I was a young girl. I personally find it sexist that a woman cannot teach from the Bible over a group of men. I went to liberty university and they never had a woman come up and speak from the Bible. I think that such an ideal suppresses women, and men may be led to feel superior and women inferior. Its like women are supposed to be seen but not heard when it comes to the church and I think that can be very destructive and oppressive to both men and women.

[John1and1]

I've put you on the defense again...... I'm sorry, Albion, I didn't mean that in a mean way, but it sure looks like I did now that I read your response. I had given up on this thread - just thought I needed to practice what I preached about "agreeing to disagree" - and then - whoops! - I slipped up.....

This thread was a very interesting one - we've all showed more of our true colors than we probably would like to have shown - the problems with the CCF have come out, particularly the fact that we all define "conservative" differently and expect everyone else to go by our defnition.......

not sure what to do about that.....
blessings anyway be upon you and yours
tal



I dont understand your confusion over this issue and the word 'conservative'.

What IS 'conservative'?

Religiously speaking it is that which is commonly accepted and handed down for 3500 years, remaining unchanged.

When it comes to women as pastors we only have 2 views... yes ordain them, or no God said not to.

One IS conservative, no God said not to. One is liberal, yes ordain them.

One was handed down to us for 3400 years, no God said dont ordain them. One is recent, within the last 100 years, yes ordain them.


I think ths issue may be a matter of personal pride for some, perhaps not everyone but very likely MOST.

God doesnt intend for a female to pastor a flock according to the word AND the conservative view, however this certainly doesnt diminish her value. Phillip had 7 daughters who were prophetesses and they were content. I dont currently pastor a church. For the present it is not my call, so do i stand in pride and buck God's will and demand i be allowed to pastor a church? I am better off being thankful for the smallest things i can do for Christ, and make the best of what i CAN do.


Does it matter that we are offended by the will and word of God, or does it matter we conform to it humbly?

[Lisa0315]

I have always struggled with those "women" verses since I was a young girl. I personally find it sexist that a woman cannot teach from the Bible over a group of men. I went to liberty university and they never had a woman come up and speak from the Bible. I think that such an ideal suppresses women, and men may be led to feel superior and women inferior. Its like women are supposed to be seen but not heard when it comes to the church and I think that can be very destructive and oppressive to both men and women.

It is not surpression. It is not punishment. It is not sexist. It is an embracing of the gifts that God has given each sex.

When we do things our way, there is confusion. When we do things God's way, there is perfection.

Seriously, many of the social ills we have in our world are due to men not stepping up to their roles, and women having to assume those roles. (Hold on guys, I am not blaming you only!) Or turn it around, and it is women usurping the roles of men and not allowing men to take their rightful places as head of the home and church.

Lisa

[JimfromOhio]

Ordaining women is different than women leading. Women are very important in all local churches. Women can lead but I believe women are not to be ordained. I have been in many churches including the one I am attending now, there are women leaders but within bounderies of the Scriptures.

[Ishida]

Why waste over half the populations power in serving the lord by saying they aren't allowed? I say if there is a more competent man around let him do it, but I think women can be pastors. In our day and age at least..

[Nicki4Christ]

I do not believe that that women should be ordained.

I would like to point out (Phil. 4:2-3) It says two women, worked hard in telling others the Gospel. So sharing the Gospel is our jobs as Christian's, Man or Woman. As for Leadership in the Church, I feel, (1Tim. 3:1-12) speaks only of men.


I feel women have roles that are very important, (Titus 2: 4-5) we should take pride in helping other women.

That being said, I have to vent off topic. Feel free to stop reading here ->I believe that there are clearly delineated roles for men and women in the church and in the family. Those role responsibilities are clearly stated in Scripture and there is not much ambiguity. I feel some Christian Men(Men in General( not anyone here) have taken the word submissive, and manupulated it to meet their standards, and not God's. Conservative Christians have preached “submission” in the male-female role relationships, but neglected to stress that “submission’ is really the lifestyle of all Christians—to government (Romans 13:1-7), to church leadership (Hebrews 13:15-17), to one another (Ephesians 5:22) and of course to God.

I needed to express the above, as I feel submission, tends to "sit funny" with us Ladies. God Bless Everyone.
With Love.

[yourescuedme]

It's not a "job," even if we treat vocations that way because we have to pay the pastors. It's a divine calling.

If it were a job, I might agree with you, but there still is a problem. Even though the women were first to see the risen Christ, nowhere in scripture does he give them the responsibilities that he does give to the Apostles--preach, baptise, forgive sins, etc., i.e. all the functions that make for a pastor.
The church as a whole is called to do these things for one another though. If these people doing the baptizing, preaching, or ministering happen to be women there is no difference.

[Lisa0315]

The church as a whole is called to do these things for one another though. If these people doing the baptizing, preaching, or ministering happen to be women there is no difference.

Baptising, preaching, and ministering, yes. Not head of the church. Scripture is very clear on that.

Lisa