Forum Rules

[Letalis]

Let's get started on some guidelines for the forum.

Who would be considered conservative for purposes of membership in this forum?

Do we have any sort of guidelines in determining which staff to elect for this forum?

Any rules against debate by non-conservatives?

We should get to work. :)

[RadixLecti]

Let's get started on some guidelines for the forum.

Who would be considered conservative for purposes of membership in this forum?

Do we have any sort of guidelines in determining which staff to elect for this forum?

Any rules against debate by non-conservatives?

We should get to work. :)
How about we all at least agree in the authority of Scripture (traditional beliefs about sin, homosexuality is always a sin), and that the Trinity alone is divine (i.e. Budda is not, Mohammed is not, other religions are false)

[Colabomb]

I think the first two rules should be....

1) Scripture is God's Word, His revelation to Mankind, while we can differ on how it is to be interpreted, the Scriptures inspired status, and perfection in matters of Faith, Morals and Doctrine shall not be questioned. On this forum, they are assumed to be true.

2) The Apostle's and Nicene Creeds are the most perfect summary of the Christian Faith that mankind can produce. They are on this forum assumed to be true.

[CyberPaladin]

How about this for a rule we at the very least limit voting on rules and mods to only those that would have been allowed to post back in th old Christian only section maybe other additional groups might necassary if the groups core beliefs are extremely liberal. The reason being to preserve the intergity of this board which I think this would help to do.

[Joykins]

I am a moderate-to-liberal but I attend a conservative church. Is this forum for me?

[GreenMunchkin]

How about we all at least agree in the authority of Scripture (traditional beliefs about sin, homosexuality is always a sin), and that the Trinity alone is divine (i.e. Budda is not, Mohammed is not, other religions are false)

I think the first two rules should be....

1) Scripture is God's Word, His revelation to Mankind, while we can differ on how it is to be interpreted, the Scriptures inspired status, and perfection in matters of Faith, Morals and Doctrine shall not be questioned. On this forum, they are assumed to be true.

2) The Apostle's and Nicene Creeds are the most perfect summary of the Christian Faith that mankind can produce. They are on this forum assumed to be true.Yes, to both of those.

Maybe we could state that non-Trinititarian Christians, and non-Christians many not debate, or question the beliefs of posters here.

But it should also be in the rules that conservative Christians are not to insult or flame "visitors".

CF is propagating relativism, so it's important this forum be a Biblical counterpoint... which means being loving, *while* accepting the Truth. Many seem to think the two are mutually exclusive, so this one forum really could be a wonderful opportunity to witness, the right way.

[Hishandmaiden]

I think the first two rules should be....

1) Scripture is God's Word, His revelation to Mankind, while we can differ on how it is to be interpreted, the Scriptures inspired status, and perfection in matters of Faith, Morals and Doctrine shall not be questioned. On this forum, they are assumed to be true.

2) The Apostle's and Nicene Creeds are the most perfect summary of the Christian Faith that mankind can produce. They are on this forum assumed to be true.
I like it. Short and sweet. And true.

[Hishandmaiden]

Yes, to both of those.

Maybe we could state that non-Trinititarian Christians, and non-Christians many not debate, or question the beliefs of posters here.

But it should also be in the rules that conservative Christians are not to insult or flame "visitors".

CF is propagating relativism, so it's important this forum be a Biblical counterpoint... which means being loving, *while* accepting the Truth. Many seem to think the two are mutually exclusive, so this one forum really could be a wonderful opportunity to witness, the right way.






I really like a forum that states that the Bible is the unchanging Word of God.
Many people argue by their own opinions. So it will be good to support all debates with scriptures.

[Colabomb]

I really like a forum that states that the Bible is the unchanging Word of God.
Many people argue by their own opinions. So it will be good to support all debates with scriptures.

However lets be careful to not make this a sola Scriptura board. Many True Conservatives of many denominations hold that Scripture is indeed True, pure and holy, but not the ONLY revelation to mankind. I believe their traditions should be allowed, with the understanding that not all of us hold to them.

[GreenMunchkin]

Does "sola Scriptura" mean not acknowledging the Holy Spirit? Cos, not an option, surely?

It's possible to believe in the inerrancy of the Word, *and* be Spirit-filled, right...? :scratch:

[Criada]

Yup, sure is! :D

[Colabomb]

Does "sola Scriptura" mean not acknowledging the Holy Spirit? Cos, not an option, surely?

It's possible to believe in the inerrancy of the Word, *and* be Spirit-filled, right...? :scratch:

Sola Scriptura means that the Scriptures are the only form of revelation mankind has.

Catholics, Orthodox, Some Anglicans, and some Pentecostals/Charismatics disagree that the Bible is the only form of Divine Revelation.

I'm simply asking that their opinions be allowed.

[GreenMunchkin]

Yup, sure is! :D
Phew! Cos, otherwise... moo? :scratch: :D

So people need to affirm either the Nicene or Apostle's Creed in order to debate here. Is that what we have so far?

Getting confuzzed...

[Criada]

That seems like enough to me!
And recognising Christ in one another and treating one another accordingly!!

[GreenMunchkin]

Sola Scriptura means that the Scriptures are the only form of revelation mankind has.

Catholics, Orthodox, Some Anglicans, and some Pentecostals/Charismatics disagree that the Bible is the only form of Divine Revelation.

I'm simply asking that their opinions be allowed.So, is it that any conservative Christian can debate/post? Both sola Scriptura and Spirit-filled?

Because I agree that any conservative Christian should feel at home here. Well, *everyone* should feel at home here but, yes, all conservative Christians should be able to post here freely.

[Hishandmaiden]

However lets be careful to not make this a sola Scriptura board. Many True Conservatives of many denominations hold that Scripture is indeed True, pure and holy, but not the ONLY revelation to mankind. I believe their traditions should be allowed, with the understanding that not all of us hold to them.
Can we make something like, we believe that the Bible is the True and unchanging important source of authority to seek out God's will but that God also speaks to us through some other means, today.

[GreenMunchkin]

That seems like enough to me!
And recognising Christ in one another and treating one another accordingly!!Do you know, the only thing is, treating one another accordingly is kind of subjective... we may need to phrase it more specifically? Just to make sure and stuff and stuff :help: :hug:

[Simon_Templar]

Does "sola Scriptura" mean not acknowledging the Holy Spirit? Cos, not an option, surely?

It's possible to believe in the inerrancy of the Word, *and* be Spirit-filled, right...? :scratch:
Sola Scriptura in principle means that ONLY the bible is considered to be a viable source of truth concerning God and faith.

In practice it oftens ends up being taken to mean that no outside sources such as church history, or tradition can be used to interpet, or compliment the bible

[Letalis]

Whoa. No way on the sola scriptura thing. That's what the fundamentalist board is for.

This is for conservatives of all denominations, including Catholics and Orthodox.

[Simon_Templar]

How about this...

#1 - The bible is the inspired written word of God. As such it is a completely reliable revelation , it is authoritative, and it is unchanging.

#2 - The minimum standard of belief in order to be considered a Christian is accurately contained in the Apostles and Nicene Creeds. God's truth is revealed in the Person of his Son Jesus Christ, in the Holy Scriptures and in the Holy Church.

#3 - Truth is defined as adherence to a given standard. In terms of doctrine, faith, theology, and morality the standard of measure is God. Thus as God is eternally unchanging, and absolute, so Truth is also unchanging and absolute.

#4 - Truth and Love are both God's character. All truth can be expressed in love. When addressing others in the forum we should hold ourselves accountable to the belief that all people are created in God's image, and as such deserve a basic level of respect, regardless of their deeds. This is not meant to muzzle honest discourse or comment, but to remind that all truth, must be expressed in love.

[Colabomb]

How about this...

#1 - The bible is the inspired written word of God. As such it is a completely reliable revelation , it is authoritative, and it is unchanging.

#2 - The minimum standard of belief in order to be considered a Christian is accurately contained in the Apostles and Nicene Creeds. God's truth is revealed in the Person of his Son Jesus Christ, in the Holy Scriptures and in the Holy Church.

#3 - Truth is defined as adherence to a given standard. In terms of doctrine, faith, theology, and morality the standard of measure is God. Thus as God is eternally unchanging, and absolute, so Truth is also unchanging and absolute.

#4 - Truth and Love are both God's character. All truth can be expressed in love. When addressing others in the forum we should hold ourselves accountable to the belief that all people are created in God's image, and as such deserve a basic level of respect, regardless of their deeds. This is not meant to muzzle honest discourse or comment, but to remind that all truth, must be expressed in love.

I like, I like.

[GreenMunchkin]

How about this...

#1 - The bible is the inspired written word of God. As such it is a completely reliable revelation , it is authoritative, and it is unchanging.

#2 - The minimum standard of belief in order to be considered a Christian is accurately contained in the Apostles and Nicene Creeds. God's truth is revealed in the Person of his Son Jesus Christ, in the Holy Scriptures and in the Holy Church.

#3 - Truth is defined as adherence to a given standard. In terms of doctrine, faith, theology, and morality the standard of measure is God. Thus as God is eternally unchanging, and absolute, so Truth is also unchanging and absolute.

#4 - Truth and Love are both God's character. All truth can be expressed in love. When addressing others in the forum we should hold ourselves accountable to the belief that all people are created in God's image, and as such deserve a basic level of respect, regardless of their deeds. This is not meant to muzzle honest discourse or comment, but to remind that all truth, must be expressed in love.Love that :)

[Criada]

How about this...

#1 - The bible is the inspired written word of God. As such it is a completely reliable revelation , it is authoritative, and it is unchanging.

#2 - The minimum standard of belief in order to be considered a Christian is accurately contained in the Apostles and Nicene Creeds. God's truth is revealed in the Person of his Son Jesus Christ, in the Holy Scriptures and in the Holy Church.

#3 - Truth is defined as adherence to a given standard. In terms of doctrine, faith, theology, and morality the standard of measure is God. Thus as God is eternally unchanging, and absolute, so Truth is also unchanging and absolute.

#4 - Truth and Love are both God's character. All truth can be expressed in love. When addressing others in the forum we should hold ourselves accountable to the belief that all people are created in God's image, and as such deserve a basic level of respect, regardless of their deeds. This is not meant to muzzle honest discourse or comment, but to remind that all truth, must be expressed in love.
Yes! :clap:

[karen freeinchristman]

How about this...

#1 - The bible is the inspired written word of God. As such it is a completely reliable revelation , it is authoritative, and it is unchanging.

#2 - The minimum standard of belief in order to be considered a Christian is accurately contained in the Apostles and Nicene Creeds. God's truth is revealed in the Person of his Son Jesus Christ, in the Holy Scriptures and in the Holy Church.

#3 - Truth is defined as adherence to a given standard. In terms of doctrine, faith, theology, and morality the standard of measure is God. Thus as God is eternally unchanging, and absolute, so Truth is also unchanging and absolute.

#4 - Truth and Love are both God's character. All truth can be expressed in love. When addressing others in the forum we should hold ourselves accountable to the belief that all people are created in God's image, and as such deserve a basic level of respect, regardless of their deeds. This is not meant to muzzle honest discourse or comment, but to remind that all truth, must be expressed in love.
I like, too.

[Greenthumb]

How about this...

#1 - The bible is the inspired written word of God. As such it is a completely reliable revelation , it is authoritative, and it is unchanging.

#2 - The minimum standard of belief in order to be considered a Christian is accurately contained in the Apostles and Nicene Creeds. God's truth is revealed in the Person of his Son Jesus Christ, in the Holy Scriptures and in the Holy Church.

#3 - Truth is defined as adherence to a given standard. In terms of doctrine, faith, theology, and morality the standard of measure is God. Thus as God is eternally unchanging, and absolute, so Truth is also unchanging and absolute.

#4 - Truth and Love are both God's character. All truth can be expressed in love. When addressing others in the forum we should hold ourselves accountable to the belief that all people are created in God's image, and as such deserve a basic level of respect, regardless of their deeds. This is not meant to muzzle honest discourse or comment, but to remind that all truth, must be expressed in love.
Good! And I especially like #4. :)

[Bondman]

How about this...
#1 - The bible is the inspired written word of God. As such it is a completely reliable revelation , it is authoritative, and it is unchanging.
#2 - The minimum standard of belief in order to be considered a Christian is accurately contained in the Apostles and Nicene Creeds. God's truth is revealed in the Person of his Son Jesus Christ, in the Holy Scriptures and in the Holy Church.
#3 - Truth is defined as adherence to a given standard. In terms of doctrine, faith, theology, and morality the standard of measure is God. Thus as God is eternally unchanging, and absolute, so Truth is also unchanging and absolute.
#4 - Truth and Love are both God's character. All truth can be expressed in love. When addressing others in the forum we should hold ourselves accountable to the belief that all people are created in God's image, and as such deserve a basic level of respect, regardless of their deeds. This is not meant to muzzle honest discourse or comment, but to remind that all truth, must be expressed in love.


Criada will tell you that I'm actually 'not here', lol! (I've had to take time out from The Inner Room as I was exhausted.)
Congratulations to Simon for this succinct summary which seems to give 'protection' to those who want to be able to fellowship and care about and love each other, but not be too 'exclusionist' in the process.

(And hello to GreenMunchkin who *shhh!!!* I know from talking with my wonderful friend Craida.)

If you guys can continue the way you seem to be going and get something set up here that's like what I found when God first brought me here to CF for Ministry, then that would be quite, quite superb. Because CF was arguably the most unique and amazing Christian forum on the Net!


However, I think that our rules regarding posting and debating should be based on topics, rather than on people.

For example, I would say debate and posts which question the inspiration or authority of scripture will not be allowed.

rather than saying, people who don't believe in the inspiration or authority of scripture can not post.

Also thought this was good!

So I shall go back to 'lurking' mode (so I'm still being relaxed so I can recuperate) and will be very interested to see how this develops.

Bless you guys and may He guide each one by His Spirit towards a truly great forum!

- Bondman and his Lady
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[Criada]

:clap: :clap:

Lovely to see you here, BM. :hug:

Now go away and get some rest!!! :D

[Albion]

For the sake of illustration, just please someone give me an example of a potential member who is EXCLUDED by those proposed rules.

OK, those in the churches that have been often called cults such as the JWs, LDS, Unification Church, etc. who have never had much of a presence here, and the most liberal of Christians such as Unitarian Universalists and some Congregationalists and Spong-type Episcopalians who explicitly might reject the Trinity or physical Resurrection of Christ.

It looks to me that we're deeming only about 90% of the world's Christians to be "Conservative Christians" and totally on the basis of theology, not at all on social and political views or involvement.
;)

[Simon_Templar]

For the sake of illustration, just please someone give me an example of a potential member who is EXCLUDED by those proposed rules.

OK, those in the churches that have been often called cults such as the JWs, LDS, Unification Church, etc. who have never had much of a presence here, and the most liberal of Christians such as Unitarian Universalists and some Congregationalists and Spong-type Episcopalians who explicitly might reject the Trinity or physical Resurrection of Christ.

It looks to me that we're deeming only about 90% of the world's Christians to be "Conservative Christians" and totally on the basis of theology, not at all on social and political views or involvement.
;)
I doubt you'll find many liberals who believe that truth is unchanging or absolute.

Most of their arguments on theology, doctrine, and social issues revolve around the idea of progressively evolving truth and/or relative truth.

Further, if truth has been revealed throught he church, then it must be accepted that truths which have been universally held by all christians through all times are true and can not change, that knocks out a significant portion of liberal social issues.

[Hishandmaiden]

For the sake of illustration, just please someone give me an example of a potential member who is EXCLUDED by those proposed rules.

OK, those in the churches that have been often called cults such as the JWs, LDS, Unification Church, etc. who have never had much of a presence here, and the most liberal of Christians such as Unitarian Universalists and some Congregationalists and Spong-type Episcopalians who explicitly might reject the Trinity or physical Resurrection of Christ.

It looks to me that we're deeming only about 90% of the world's Christians to be "Conservative Christians" and totally on the basis of theology, not at all on social and political views or involvement.
;)
They can still come in here, if they want, but they must respect that under this forum, they are not exactly considered as christians.

[GreenMunchkin]

People often believe conservative Christianity equates with being politically conservative.

That's simply not the case.

[Simon_Templar]

People often believe conservative Christianity equates with being politically conservative.

That's simply not the case.
Not always, no. However, there are a number of common "liberal" political positions which are incompatible with conservative christianity, such as the liberal stands abortion, euthanasia, and homosexuality.

For that reason there is usually a significant cross over between politically conservative and religiously conservative.

[talitha]

agreeing with simon

[GreenMunchkin]

Not always, no. However, there are a number of common "liberal" political positions which are incompatible with conservative christianity, such as the liberal stands abortion, euthanasia, and homosexuality.

For that reason there is usually a significant cross over between politically conservative and religiously conservative.But issues like abortion aren't political. Politicians have picked them up as vote-swingers, but there are Biblical mandates that determine what we do there.

I hugely dislike the assertion that conservative Christians are "always pro-death penalty" which is just ridiculous. So it's important to stress that someone can be conservative in their faith, while not being conservative politically.

[Simon_Templar]

But issues like abortion aren't political. Politicians have picked them up as vote-swingers, but there are Biblical mandates that determine what we do there.

I hugely dislike the assertion that conservative Christians are "always pro-death penalty" which is just ridiculous. So it's important to stress that someone can be conservative in their faith, while not being conservative politically.
well, if you really want to get down to it, nothing to a christian is just 'political'.

The bible speaks as much on the death penalty (more in fact) than it does on abortion.

those issues are political because they are issues of law and governments have been given the authority to make and enforce law.
However, you are right that christians can not merely think politically when judging issues like abortion. However, I would take it further and say that there are almost no issues on which Christians can just think politically.

Everything in life is impacted by faith and by God's truth.

[GreenMunchkin]

well, if you really want to get down to it, nothing to a christian is just 'political'.

The bible speaks as much on the death penalty (more in fact) than it does on abortion.

those issues are political because they are issues of law and governments have been given the authority to make and enforce law.
However, you are right that christians can not merely think politically when judging issues like abortion. However, I would take it further and say that there are almost no issues on which Christians can just think politically.

Everything in life is impacted by faith and by God's truth.Definitely. Being in the world but not of it :)

We are commanded to give to Caesar what is his, so while we're here, parts of our life will be led by the world's politics. But I think it's important that people do not automatically equate Christianity with someone's view on politics. For example, I have a friend who loves apple juice, but she's allergic to apples when she eats them.

Christianity and politics are completely different animals and they don't necessarily go hand in hand.

[talitha]

very good discussion here...... praise the Lord!

SIMON and TIMOTHY - pleeeeease take a look at our wiki and discussion and contribute as you will....... don't want the whole thing to be done by colabomb and me when there are other points of view to be considered.

blessings
tal

[talitha]

oops, don't mean to leave you out, GreenMunchkin-sister-girl!

[Albion]

I doubt you'll find many liberals who believe that truth is unchanging or absolute.

I can name quite a few who say that it is, while of course operating as though it is not.

But I suppose I was thinking of an illustration from real life, from the range of Christian churches we all know, for example (I'm not saying that that they don't come to this forum as individuals).

[Albion]

They can still come in here, if they want, but they must respect that under this forum, they are not exactly considered as christians.

Who is "they?" How are they identified in order to be denied membership? My point was to the effect that the proposed rules can be agreed to by most Christians, whether Liberal or Conservative in reality.

[Simon_Templar]

Definitely. Being in the world but not of it :)

We are commanded to give to Caesar what is his, so while we're here, parts of our life will be led by the world's politics. But I think it's important that people do not automatically equate Christianity with someone's view on politics. For example, I have a friend who loves apple juice, but she's allergic to apples when she eats them.

Christianity and politics are completely different animals and they don't necessarily go hand in hand.
I agree that the "conservative" political position is not always the "christian" position.

However, I'd be carefuly of saying that Christianity and politics are two completely different things. Christianity is, or should be, a complete world view. As such it has political views.

I would definetly agree that many times people confuse a conservative political position with a conservative christian position.

The term "conservative" just means that you are seeking to conserve traditional values and views. Thus if a society's views are not christian... being a conservative in that society is not christian.

For example, in the neo-con movement today it is a commonly held belief that democracy makes people free, and that freedom and democracy make people good.
This is completely wrong. Democracy doesn't make people free, truth does. Democracy without truth is a disaster waiting to happen.
Further, democracy and freedom don't make people good. Infact they just give bad people a greater enablement to be bad.
Again, it is God, and his truth, that make people good, and only a good people are truly capable of making 'democracy' a viable political system.

Anther example, most conservatives are against government welfare programs. I generally oppose government entitlement programs for a number of reasons. However, the conservative position is often severely lacking when it comes to caring for the poor and down-trodden.
Too many churches have become political conservatives on that score and lost the christian view that we have a duty to take care of the poor. God does not look kindly on those who abuse the poor, and the powerless, or on those who ignore them.

[talitha]

LINK TO WIKI:

http://www.christianforums.com/t5716860

[Criada]

LINK TO WIKI:

http://www.christianforums.com/t5716860
Thanks!

[Albion]

People often believe conservative Christianity equates with being politically conservative.

That's simply not the case.


OK, I was thinking, when I saw "Conservative Christians," that it was about, well, conservative Christians, not theologically orthodox or traditionalists ones. "Conservative" is historically a political term.

I'd really like to discuss social issues in which Christians are often deeply involved and concerned, and I think there ought to be a place for that since there are already many forums that are conservative theologically.

However, I appreciate the clarification and I wish everyone here well.

[talitha]

Albion, I do think that most of us will be "conservative" as it is generally understood in US politics. I might be limited in my thinking, but I don't understand how "democrat" and "conservative Christian" could go together as things stand today.

[Albion]

Anther example, most conservatives are against government welfare programs. I generally oppose government entitlement programs for a number of reasons. However, the conservative position is often severely lacking when it comes to caring for the poor and down-trodden.

It is that they oppose "government" welfare programs (per your own wording.) What the churches do is not the issue there.

God does not look kindly on those who abuse the poor, and the powerless, or on those who ignore them.

Which probably is more a condemnation of liberal churches than conservative ones, in view of the finding that conservatives and conservative churches give more to the poor than liberals and liberal churches, talk about the poor aside. (Sorry, Sen. Kerry's and VP Gore's ears are probably burning now.)

[Albion]

Albion, I do think that most of us will be "conservative" as it is generally understood in US politics. I might be limited in my thinking, but I don't understand how "democrat" and "conservative Christian" could go together as things stand today.

I appreciate it, Tal. And I agree. What I'd like is to talk about social and political issues that concern Christians from the Conservative POV.

[talitha]

Personally I think this would be a good place for that, and I hope others agree.

[karen freeinchristman]

They can still come in here, if they want, but they must respect that under this forum, they are not exactly considered as christians.
Do you really mean 'they are not exactly considered as christians'? Or do you mean they are not considered as 'conservative christians', hence not able to be full members of this forum?

[Simon_Templar]

LINK TO WIKI:

http://www.christianforums.com/t5716860
I'm currently working on a contribution. I would like to see the charter of the forum presented as a complete entity, rather than tacking on bits and pieces and so on. So I'm basically doing what I'd like to see as a re-write of the current wiki.

[talitha]

For the sake of illustration, just please someone give me an example of a potential member who is EXCLUDED by those proposed rules.

OK, those in the churches that have been often called cults such as the JWs, LDS, Unification Church, etc. who have never had much of a presence here, and the most liberal of Christians such as Unitarian Universalists and some Congregationalists and Spong-type Episcopalians who explicitly might reject the Trinity or physical Resurrection of Christ.

It looks to me that we're deeming only about 90% of the world's Christians to be "Conservative Christians" and totally on the basis of theology, not at all on social and political views or involvement.
;)

They can still come in here, if they want, but they must respect that under this forum, they are not exactly considered as christians.
With the possible exception of Congregationalists, I agree with Handmaiden. I know I'm risking the wrath of CF here......
:sigh:

[talitha]

I'm currently working on a contribution. I would like to see the charter of the forum presented as a complete entity, rather than tacking on bits and pieces and so on. So I'm basically doing what I'd like to see as a re-write of the current wiki.
cool, as long as you take into consideration the contributions of those of us who have worked on it thus far.

[Albion]

Personally I think this would be a good place for that, and I hope others agree.

Of course I agree with you there, but the main point is probably this--

Each of us has at least a couple of forums or subforums already existing in which we can interconnect with THEOLOGICALLY "conservative" Christians, but nowhere where these people can discuss current events which impact our religious values. Why not have it here?

[Simon_Templar]

This is what I wrote up, I tried to keep intact the ideas which had already been included in the wiki.

I also tried to include some things to address the concerns raised by Albion.

I'm certainly open to discussing any thing people are uncomfortable with, etc. We can discuss it in here before we make any actual changes





Conservative Christianity is defined by its allegiance to the Holy Scriptures and the traditional beliefs and teachings of the Christian Church on issues of theology and morality. Central to this worldview is the belief that Truth exists objectively and independently of our perception. Truth is unchanging and absolute.
God is Truth. He has revealed His Truth in the person of His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, in the Holy Bible, His written word, and in the Holy Church, which includes all who call upon the Name of the Lord Jesus, submitting their lives to Him in faith.


I will bow down toward the temple of thy holiness, and celebrate thy name for thy loving-kindness and for thy truth; for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
(Psalm 138:2, Darby)

This Forum Affirms that…

1) The Holy Scriptures are the inspired, written Word of God. Scripture is the revelation of God given for the instruction of his people in faith, morals, and doctrine. The revelation of scripture is completely reliable and authoritative.


2) The minimum standard of doctrinal belief in order for a person to be considered a Christian is accurately contained within the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds. The doctrines contained within these creeds are the bare essentials upon which Christians must agree. It is understood, however, that even within the creeds there are some differences of interpretation. Specifically, it is allowed in this forum that the term “Catholic Church” can be understood to mean the universal, invisible body of which all Christians are members. The phrase “one baptism for the forgiveness of sins” can be understood in a symbolic sense.


3) Our Christian faith can not be separated from our views on politics and society, or any other area of life. The Conservative Christian worldview holds the following values and views to be necessary expressions of Christian morality based upon Holy Scripture and the established teachings of the Christian Church.

- The sanctity of human life. Physical life begins at conception and ends when the body can no longer naturally sustain itself. Human life can not be ended prematurely without just cause and just authority to do so. This includes most cases of abortion and euthanasia.

- Sexual morality is a fundamental requirement of Christian moral teaching. The Scriptures repeatedly address the topic of sexual morality as a necessary part of our obedience to God and right living. Sexually moral behavior, in Scripture, and in the established teachings of the Church is held to be limited to sex between a husband and his wife. All other sexual activities fall under the heading of sexual immorality.


4) Sin separates people from God. Thus it is destructive and harmful. Jesus Christ came not only to grant us a way of forgiveness from sin, but also to free us from bondage to sin. Our Lord Jesus Christ has imparted to us the ministry of reconciliation. It is our duty and privilege to teach people the gospel of forgiveness of sins, freedom from sin, and reconciliation to God. Freedom begins with knowing the truth.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
(Revelation 21:6-8, NASB)

5) Truth and Love are both God's character. All truth can be expressed in love. When addressing others in the forum we should hold ourselves accountable to the belief that all people are created in God's image, and as such deserve a basic level of respect, regardless of their deeds. This is not meant to muzzle honest discourse or comment, but to remind that all truth, must be expressed in love. Therefore, Conservative Christians may not flame visitors but rather seek to reason with them with an attitude of service and love.




The preceding points are held to be true by this forum and its members. Debate which denies or calls into question the aforementioned points will not be tolerated. People who disagree with or question these may visit and ask earnest questions but may not debate these points.

Non-Christians and Non-Conservative Christians may post questions but not give answers regarding conservative beliefs. Non-members of the forum also may not give advice to posters who come to this forum looking for help and advice.

Further points of Clarification

This is not the "Fundamentalist" forum. Fundamentalists are generally conservative, but not all conservatives are Fundamentalists.

Some common points of difference includes…

Sola Scriptura – Not all conservatives hold to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura. As per the forum rules we all acknowledge the inspiration, complete reliability, and authority of scripture. However, some conservative Christians may hold Holy Tradition and the Church to be authoritative, or necessary to proper interpretation of scripture, in addition to the scriptures.

Biblical Literalism – Not all conservatives hold an absolute literal interpretation of scripture. This may especially be seen in the areas of eschatology and the Genesis creation account.

[talitha]

looks good at first glance. I kinda lost my baby here, or part of it, but I don't see anything I disagree with.

[GreenMunchkin]

Literally perfect :D Thank you so much! :hug:

Can it be locked now so no-one can alter it?

[Simon_Templar]

looks good at first glance. I kinda lost my baby here, or part of it, but I don't see anything I disagree with.
I can understand how you might feel that way, but it certainly wasn't my intention.

[Colabomb]

Literally perfect :D Thank you so much! :hug:

Can it be locked now so no-one can alter it?

I don't think we should ever lock it down. Things may change that necessitate us changing it.

[CyberPaladin]

Guys I have been thinking about this for awhile and I think we need to set some limits on how far we go with intersecting religously conservative with being politicaly conservative. Let me try and explain my concern is that people may try and use someone's opinion on one nonreligous issue like gun control or there opinion of a paticular politician to justify them not being allowed to particpate here.

[GreenMunchkin]

Sorry for the long post... was somewhere else, and now there's so much wonderful stuff to reply to :clap:

oops, don't mean to leave you out, GreenMunchkin-sister-girl!;) :hug: No worries, duck :)

I agree that the "conservative" political position is not always the "christian" position.

However, I'd be carefuly of saying that Christianity and politics are two completely different things. Christianity is, or should be, a complete world view. As such it has political views.

I would definetly agree that many times people confuse a conservative political position with a conservative christian position.

The term "conservative" just means that you are seeking to conserve traditional values and views. Thus if a society's views are not christian... being a conservative in that society is not christian.

For example, in the neo-con movement today it is a commonly held belief that democracy makes people free, and that freedom and democracy make people good.
This is completely wrong. Democracy doesn't make people free, truth does. Democracy without truth is a disaster waiting to happen.
Further, democracy and freedom don't make people good. Infact they just give bad people a greater enablement to be bad.
Again, it is God, and his truth, that make people good, and only a good people are truly capable of making 'democracy' a viable political system.

Anther example, most conservatives are against government welfare programs. I generally oppose government entitlement programs for a number of reasons. However, the conservative position is often severely lacking when it comes to caring for the poor and down-trodden.
Too many churches have become political conservatives on that score and lost the christian view that we have a duty to take care of the poor. God does not look kindly on those who abuse the poor, and the powerless, or on those who ignore them.That's my issue with it, too. I think conservative politics has taken some Christian values, and then wrapped those up with issues like welfare and freedom, and now to all intents and purposes, they are one and the same, where that just isn't the case.

In being a conservative Christian, to many people you are also accepting of a ream of things that are seen to automatically come with being politically conservative. That's the issue I have with that link.

In England, for example, for the most part, the Conservative Party isn't something I'd want to be associated with too much.

OK, I was thinking, when I saw "Conservative Christians," that it was about, well, conservative Christians, not theologically orthodox or traditionalists ones. "Conservative" is historically a political term.

I'd really like to discuss social issues in which Christians are often deeply involved and concerned, and I think there ought to be a place for that since there are already many forums that are conservative theologically.

However, I appreciate the clarification and I wish everyone here well.Ohhh, that's right! The Politics Forum was removed a while back... So you saw this forum as a replacement for the Politics one, in a way?

With the possible exception of Congregationalists, I agree with Handmaiden. I know I'm risking the wrath of CF here......
:sigh:What's a Congregationalist?

The thing is, CF now states that anyone who says they're a Christian is, and that's just not true. Mormons and JWs, and Muslims and Satanists... they aren't Christian. It may be politically incorrect to say so, but that's just how it is.

Similarly, many liberal Christians believe that homosexuality is fine, and that the Bible rarely speak on it, and that sin is only a sin if it hurts another person. Which, incidentally, is the fundamental tenet of Satanism. So people with those beliefs, while they may be Christian, certainly should not be allowed to argue their thoughts on it here, as much of CF now supports that way of thinking :(

Of course I agree with you there, but the main point is probably this--

Each of us has at least a couple of forums or subforums already existing in which we can interconnect with THEOLOGICALLY "conservative" Christians, but nowhere where these people can discuss current events which impact our religious values. Why not have it here?Because with all the changes, there are few places for conservative Christians to go now. The wiki are predominantly being written by the more liberal people, because there's more of them now. So having a place to call home here is important.

And, again, by making this both, it almost implies that conservative Christianity = conservative politics, and I know there's cross-over, but they are very different things.

[Sophia7]

Literally perfect :D Thank you so much! :hug:

Can it be locked now so no-one can alter it?

What we will probably need to do, once the wiki is in a form that most people are happy with, is to put the new list of rules into a poll and let our members vote to approve the new rules. The wiki can be locked once it is finalized. Changes can be made again later if necessary, but we need to approve a somewhat stable set of guidelines for this forum.

[GreenMunchkin]

Yay! How do we do all the necessary voting and stuff? :D

[Sophia7]

Yay! How do we do all the necessary voting and stuff? :D

I think it would be good to leave the wiki open for a while in order to allow more involvement. This is a new forum, so it could take some time to make people aware of it. When we're ready, a poll can be created to approve the wiki rules.

[GreenMunchkin]

It's just, across CF, there are serious arguments going on when people wade in en masse and alter a wiki and by sheer numbers, manage to bully people out of it, even if it's a specific denominational one and the new rules defy the wishes of the people who belong to that denomination... the rules Simon_Templar are so prayerful and perfect as they are, what's to stop someone doing the same?

[Simon_Templar]

It's just, across CF, there are serious arguments going on when people wade in en masse and alter a wiki and by sheer numbers, manage to bully people out of it, even if it's a specific denominational one and the new rules defy the wishes of the people who belong to that denomination... the rules Simon_Templar are so prayerful and perfect as they are, what's to stop someone doing the same?
I would point out that much of the content was originally created by Talitha, and additions from Cola and others.

I added some things, but mostly just re-organized the format and reworded a few things.

[Criada]

I vote for these rules!
:D

Thanks Simon, Tal, and anyone else involved!

[GreenMunchkin]

I would point out that much of the content was originally created by Talitha, and additions from Cola and others.

I added some things, but mostly just re-organized the format and reworded a few things.Thank you Talitha, and Cola and *everyone*! :hug:

Those rules are wonderful :D

[Sophia7]

It's just, across CF, there are serious arguments going on when people wade in en masse and alter a wiki and by sheer numbers, manage to bully people out of it, even if it's a specific denominational one and the new rules defy the wishes of the people who belong to that denomination... the rules Simon_Templar are so prayerful and perfect as they are, what's to stop someone doing the same?

If anyone were to edit the wiki, it could be rolled back. That's why there's a history. I don't anticipate too many problems with the process for this forum, though. It probably won't be quite as conentious as some of the general wiki discussions.

[talitha]

thanks for the appreciation - i'm feelin the love...... wow, i haven't felt a lot of that at cf before now....... cool!

[Albion]

This is what I wrote up, I tried to keep intact the ideas which had already been included in the wiki.

IMO, you've all done a very fine, very careful, job, and everyone here is indebted to you.

[Criada]

thanks for the appreciation - i'm feelin the love...... wow, i haven't felt a lot of that at cf before now....... cool!
:hug:

[Greenthumb]

This is what I wrote up, I tried to keep intact the ideas which had already been included in the wiki.

I also tried to include some things to address the concerns raised by Albion.

I'm certainly open to discussing any thing people are uncomfortable with, etc. We can discuss it in here before we make any actual changes I think you did a great job. Thanks for taking the time to put it all together. :)

[GreenMunchkin]

Does anyone have any thoughts on the mod stuff?

I copied OBOB's Wiki mod stuff and put it in the sticky... but it just occurred to me that I never even, sort of, see them so you might not have seen it.

For example, does everyone agree that only a Christian can mod this forum? And how about only members of the forum being ale to vote in the elections?

Things like that :) :hug:

[Bondman]

May I join in this thread please? I would think that most here don't know me, but I'm becoming more and more interested in the great work you guys are doing here! Very impressive indeed!!

I've sort of been the 'leader' of a single thread in Deeper Fellowship called The Inner Room, whch I started and I write regular, what I call 'Messages' there which most of those who are on the thread say are a great blessing.

I'm currently seriously praying about what happens to the IR with all this dreadful stuff that's going on. God brought me specifically to CF, then similar for starting the thread - but CF is no longer CF, is it? - if you see what I mean.

QUESTION: I presume that "Conservative Christians" is gonna be what seems to be commonly called here "a forum" and therefore there will be many individual threads within it?

Much love in Jesus to you all!

- Bondman and his Lady
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[Sophia7]

QUESTION: I presume that "Conservative Christians" is gonna be what seems to be commonly called here "a forum" and therefore there will be many individual threads within it?Yes, this will be similar to the other congregational forums, but it will not be limited to members of a particular church or denomination. There will eventually be more threads in it.

[Bondman]

Yes, this will be similar to the other congregational forums, but it will not be limited to members of a particular church or denomination. There will eventually be more threads in it.


Thankyou, Sophia!

Does anyone have any thoughts on the mod stuff?

I copied OBOB's Wiki mod stuff and put it in the sticky... but it just occurred to me that I never even, sort of, see them so you might not have seen it.

For example, does everyone agree that only a Christian can mod this forum? And how about only members of the forum being ale to vote in the elections?

Things like that :) :hug:


I would have thought it was absolutely crucial that a mod be a Christian AND one who understands and respects the 'tone' of the forum also! - if that's not expecting too much. *smile*

When I was ministering on MySpace I saw quite enough of the dreadful damage unbelieving mods did to Christians in the Religion section. Never happened to me personally, but I saw some people utterly devastated!



I appreciate it, Tal. And I agree. What I'd like is to talk about social and political issues that concern Christians from the Conservative POV.


Despite being an Aussie http://connect.twm.cc/cf/smileBW.gif I understand a fair bit of the matter of the Conservatives in US politics (and the UK also). I think Christians here are not so political as in America.

I've then not seen any political activism in the New Testament as I've studied it over the years, and am simply wondering if it may be better to not go that way here. Jesus was a-political, never trying to do anything about the wrongs of the harsh Roman rule over His people. (Those He spoke against were Church hypocrites, namely the Church rulers of His day!)

Later His followers were a-political also. For me, I must admit that I have enough to cope with with my own relationship with the Lord! - and loving my Brothers and Sisters, and seeking the conversion of some of the 3 billion lost souls in the world today who have never heard the Gospel! http://connect.twm.cc/cf/cry.gif

Just my 2 cents worth! http://connect.twm.cc/cf/2cents.gif

- Bondman and His Lady

[talitha]

Bondsman, Welcome to the Conservative Christians Forum! :)

[Albion]

Despite being an Aussie http://connect.twm.cc/cf/smileBW.gif I understand a fair bit of the matter of the Conservatives in US politics (and the UK also). I think Christians here are not so political as in America.

I've then not seen any political activism in the New Testament as I've studied it over the years, and am simply wondering if it may be better to not go that way here.

There obviously are two opposing views at present about this. For me, being on a "Conservative Christians" forum means being a Christian who is Conservative, i.e. one who is a Burkean to put it in historic terms, which after all is there the term came from as we know it today.

There is a need for it on CF, it seems to me. And for another, it has had a presence within Christianity for a very long time, irrespective of whether we're thinking of Catholics, Protestants, Anglicans, etc.

On the other hand, there are those who conceive of "Conservative Christians" as meaning something like orthodox Christians who are opposed to theological modernism. They, being fundamentalists or conservative Lutherans, or whatever, can post their doctrinal perspectives on a number of the denominational forums already.

There is no need for a Conservative Christians forum at all in that case unless it would be for "fellowship," -- and that normally doesn't sustain any thread very long once all the introductions have been made and friendships acknowledged. So I'm hopeful that this forum will be something new and that there'd be a place for me here. The wording of the forum's tentative rules do incorporate the idea of addressing social concerns as Conservatives, so I think everyone can be accomodated.

[Simon_Templar]

Does anyone have any thoughts on the mod stuff?

I copied OBOB's Wiki mod stuff and put it in the sticky... but it just occurred to me that I never even, sort of, see them so you might not have seen it.

For example, does everyone agree that only a Christian can mod this forum? And how about only members of the forum being ale to vote in the elections?

Things like that :) :hug:
I think those are good ideas