Moderation Policy

[Colabomb]

We are brothers, and I pray we can all get together well, and I believe with hard work this forum can be fruitful.

However as I am sure contentious issues will be discussed on this board.

I move for a vote.

I would like to see each denomination represented equally in the moderation staff.

[WarriorAngel]

Well, general rules suggest that certain subjects be addressed in certain forums.

So, IMHO, the only issue we should discuss is abortion and pro life.
Other than that, Anglicans should maintain their differences of opinion in the congregational areas.

But you can vote if you like.

I just don't think it will be anything but counter productive.

[zhilan]

I agree with Colabomb. I thought the whole point of this thread was so we could have an Apostolic version of the individual forums where if we want to discuss/debate certain issues we can do it. If we want to just have totally passive threads about what we love about each other then we can visit the individual forums and do that. This should be a thread where we can fellowship but also if we like discuss some of the issues that we may have wanted to discuss in the past but have had to stop because "well you asked me but I can't respond becuase that will be debating" well here we can actually have a conversation. And I DEFINITELY agree that the mods need to be EVENLY split with each represented. I don't understand at all what's going on now. I already saw someone's post deleted and I only see one mod listed. This idea won't work if it's one person ruling and deleting others posts.

[zhilan]

And why would we discuss abortion and pro life here? There are political forums for that. Why out of everything would that be the only issue we can discuss?

And really, as we are all Christians, I don't see why there should be much to discuss, hopefully we are all pro-life...

[RadixLecti]

I agree with Colabomb. I thought the whole point of this thread was so we could have an Apostolic version of the individual forums where if we want to discuss/debate certain issues we can do it. If we want to just have totally passive threads about what we love about each other then we can visit the individual forums and do that. This should be a thread where we can fellowship but also if we like discuss some of the issues that we may have wanted to discuss in the past but have had to stop because "well you asked me but I can't respond becuase that will be debating" well here we can actually have a conversation. And I DEFINITELY agree that the mods need to be EVENLY split with each represented. I don't understand at all what's going on now. I already saw someone's post deleted and I only see one mod listed. This idea won't work if it's one person ruling and deleting others posts.
The person who's post was deleted was not from the list of "apostolic" churches. The post was a flame against the Roman Catholic Church. It needed to be deleted.

I agree that moderators from each church would be a great idea. With that said, if the vision of this forum is ever going to go anywhere we are going to have to trust members of other denominations also.

[zhilan]

Well, if you've noticed people haven't exactly been flocking to this forum. I think that may have a lot to do with people be very skeptical that there is already a bias. Which, can you really blame them when the ONLY mod is a very polemic Catholic who for the past several months has been posting threads upon threads about how blatantly obvious it is that the Pope is the only true head of the Church and how others must come back to be under Peter.

Nothing personal, WA, I wouldn't be a good mod for this forum either as I, like yourself, am quite staunch in my faith and have been known to be a bit controversial. So if I appointed myself as the only mod and then went to OBOB and wanted Catholic to join, a lot of them would probably understandably be a little weary as they know that I strongly disagree with them and while I love them as brothers and sisters in Christ, I am not the most neutral person for the job. If you want Orthodox and others to join, it needs to be clear from the beginning that this is a place for everyone, and thus it needs to have...shall we say....non-controversial members of CF.

[RadixLecti]

Well, if you've noticed people haven't exactly been flocking to this forum. I think that may have a lot to do with people be very skeptical that there is already a bias. Which, can you really blame them when the ONLY mod is a very polemic Catholic who for the past several months has been posting threads upon threads about how blatantly obvious it is that the Pope is the only true head of the Church and how others must come back to be under Peter.



The forum is only a couple days old. I agree with your idea that there should be moderators from the different churches. Part of being RC or EO is being biased that your church is the ideal church. We all love our churches and sometimes we can be very enthusiastic about them, that's just part of it. For what it's worth I've been very happy with WA as a mod. It has already been a great experience to have a Catholic be so interested and respectful of Anglicanism --which is really what this forum is about anyway. I may be over optimistic, but I think the more we get to know each other the more we'll trust each other.

[WarriorAngel]

The person who's post was deleted was not from the list of "apostolic" churches. The post was a flame against the Roman Catholic Church. It needed to be deleted.

I agree that moderators from each church would be a great idea. With that said, if the vision of this forum is ever going to go anywhere we are going to have to trust members of other denominations also.

:thumbsup: Trust me I totally agree that we need more mods.
AND I fully desire more mods of every group.

My plate is full, I am not complaining, but between trying to establish rules in wiki's, and moderating, my job is overtime right now.

I am hoping we can agree with one concept...
That the rules in here are determined on pre modern Tradition.

I want to establish a set of rules that would be conducive to discussions and not heated debates over post 1500 AD ideas of Tradition.

That alone would not help us to understand one another.
I am not saying things will not be heated otherwise, but we don't need the added conservative vs liberal.

The Anglican Church has enough to resolve within itself, and should remain in that congregational forum, we do not need them to divide themselves in here too. IMHO.

AS for the pro life discussions I only suggest we be able to discuss that because the ancient Traditional Churches agree that life is important.

WE should not alienate the Ancient Church members and make this a political asylum.

I have also suggested in wiki's that we vote on pro life areas that are safe zones for members sigs and avatars, and I would like that to include this section if it is decided a viable idea.

So alot of what I am doing and trying to do has alot to do with the whole forum. Since I am active just about everywhere. :help:

[WarriorAngel]

The forum is only a couple days old. I agree with your idea that there should be moderators from the different churches. Part of being RC or EO is being biased that your church is the ideal church. We all love our churches and sometimes we can be very enthusiastic about them, that's just part of it. For what it's worth I've been very happy with WA as a mod. It has already been a great experience to have a Catholic be so interested and respectful of Anglicanism --which is really what this forum is about anyway. I may be over optimistic, but I think the more we get to know each other the more we'll trust each other.


:hug: Thank you so much...for words of encouragement.
The job of a mod is a thankless position.

[Colabomb]

The forum is only a couple days old. I agree with your idea that there should be moderators from the different churches. Part of being RC or EO is being biased that your church is the ideal church. We all love our churches and sometimes we can be very enthusiastic about them, that's just part of it. For what it's worth I've been very happy with WA as a mod. It has already been a great experience to have a Catholic be so interested and respectful of Anglicanism --which is really what this forum is about anyway. I may be over optimistic, but I think the more we get to know each other the more we'll trust each other.

I don't know much about WA as a person, and I like to think the best of People I don't know.

But so far I have gotten the impression that we are second class citizens of this forum, who are expected to shut up about anything that does not agree with Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

I get the feeling, and I could be wrong, that we are grudgingly tolerated.

[zhilan]

Time will tell. I guess my time here and my dealings with mods have made me a pessimist.

I think we should vote on the mods like it seems other forums are doing.

[WarriorAngel]

I don't know much about WA as a person, and I like to think the best of People I don't know.

But so far I have gotten the impression that we are second class citizens of this forum, who are expected to shut up about anything that does not agree with Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

I get the feeling, and I could be wrong, that we are grudgingly tolerated.

Ok, just so YOU know...
I requested this forum, and I requested the AC be involved.
I was not expecting the reactions I am seeing however.

I am sorry you feel that way.

[RadixLecti]

I don't know much about WA as a person, and I like to think the best of People I don't know.

But so far I have gotten the impression that we are second class citizens of this forum, who are expected to shut up about anything that does not agree with Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

I get the feeling, and I could be wrong, that we are grudgingly tolerated.
I really don't think that's the intention. When non-Anglicans hear "Anglican" they think about what the've seen on the news i.e. people like John Spong, Gene Robinson and Anne Redding.

Apostolic Succession is not just the line of Bishops, it is also passing down the Apostolic Faith. When a Church says you can be an atheist and be a christian, a muslim and a christian, and have sexual intercourse with men and be qualified to be a bishop, people start to wonder if the apostolic faith has been passed down at all.

I know how frustrating it can be to be misunderstood, but for what it's worth I've always admired the faith you've expressed in your posts.

The forum has only been up a couple days, and there are some kinks that must be worked out, but all in all we're off to a good start.

[longhair75]

Friend Colabomb

originally posted by Warrior Angel, sole Moderator of this forum: The Anglican Church has enough to resolve within itself, and should remain in that congregational forum, we do not need them to divide themselves in here too. IMHO.

We are not grudgingly tolerated here. We are not wanted here.

:: shakes the dust off of birkenstocks::

[WarriorAngel]

Thanks longhair for your support.

[Letalis]

Yikes.. what's going on?

[longhair75]

Friend Letalis,

would you kindly give me five minutes or so, and then read your PM's?

[longhair75]

Friend Warrior Angel
Thanks longhair for your support.
you are more than welcome

[Letalis]

Hold on -- I got a couple of PMs but I'm trying to take care of something else. Give me 10 or 20 minutes and we can fix this.

[Fish and Bread]

I don't understand what's going on. Is there some sort of dispute going on in a thread or two I forgot to click on? Is there some sort of behind the scenes wrangling or discord? All of the threads that I've seen look pretty civil so far that and it hasn't appeared as though Anglicans aren't wanted, but I could be missing something.

[longhair75]

Friend F&B,

Friend Warrior Angel has made it very plain that the Anglicans are not welcome

[WarriorAngel]

I don't understand what's going on. Is there some sort of dispute going on in a thread or two I forgot to click on? Is there some sort of behind the scenes wrangling or discord? All of the threads that I've seen look pretty civil so far that and it hasn't appeared as though Anglicans aren't wanted, but I could be missing something.

Its pure conjecture.

[longhair75]

Its pure conjecture.






Friend Warrior Angel,

I disagree

originally posted by Warrior Angel, sole Moderator of this forum: The Anglican Church has enough to resolve within itself, and should remain in that congregational forum, we do not need them to divide themselves in here too. IMHO.

seems to speak pretty clearly.

[Letalis]

OK -- so I read the PMs. The issue seems to be that there is a question about the authenticity of Anglican orders.

CF isn't going to judge that. Unless something has changed (and I don't see that anything has), Anglicans are welcome in this forum.

I'll have Anglican and Orthodox staff added to the forum, and a few more Catholic staff, so we can have diverse staff moderating the forum.

[WarriorAngel]

Friend Warrior Angel,

I disagree



seems to speak pretty clearly.


Do me a HUGE favor longhair...if I make an incomplete sentence, dont rattle me til I am blue. :wave:

ASk what I meant.

I was stating that the 'hot topics' should be avoided and leave that in the Anglican Church forum and keep this place about Tradition.

I am pretty sure I already worded it that way...or tried to.

Its after 1 am, and I am exhausted...
But go reread what I said, it had nothing to do with how you took the quote out of context.

[karen freeinchristman]

I want to establish a set of rules that would be conducive to discussions and not heated debates over post 1500 AD ideas of Tradition.I do appreciated that is how you want to establish the rules, but... the rules are to be established by the subforum membership, aren't they?

I am not saying things will not be heated otherwise, but we don't need the added conservative vs liberal.

The Anglican Church has enough to resolve within itself, and should remain in that congregational forum, we do not need them to divide themselves in here too. IMHO.Well, this also sounded to me like an excluding statement, but I'll take your word for it that you meant otherwise. :)


I really don't think that's the intention. When non-Anglicans hear "Anglican" they think about what the've seen on the news i.e. people like John Spong, Gene Robinson and Anne Redding.

Apostolic Succession is not just the line of Bishops, it is also passing down the Apostolic Faith. When a Church says you can be an atheist and be a christian, a muslim and a christian, and have sexual intercourse with men and be qualified to be a bishop, people start to wonder if the apostolic faith has been passed down at all. I agree with your assessment here. It's kind of like the view many people could easily get about RC priests, considering the atrocities that have occurred. We all know that not all RC priests are child molesters, though, don't we? Well I would just like to point out to those who might judge the Anglican Church by some of its bishops or priests - quite few in number, actually - who are unorthodox.

[zhilan]

I thought in the new system we get to vote for mods....

[longhair75]

I thought in the new system we get to vote for mods....
I thought so too.

I would like to nominate my friend Colabomb who would be a much better choice than I as a moderator for this forum.

[WarriorAngel]

Well, you can ask anyone you wish to go apply for being a mod, and the forum will vote for them.

As of right now, the moderators are short handed.

So anyone who wishes to apply, should.

WE unfortunately as of yet, no one can vote within the community, although if anyone would like to help me set that up in the rules and such section...it would be appreciated. :wave:

[xristos.anesti]

Many years,

I believe that neither Colabomb nor anyone else should feel second rate or unwelcome - for it is not so.

This forum should be all about God with respect for a fellow human being. We will disagree - the fact which is not new - even have heated arguments - but, in this area - our area - there should always be a notice that God is Love and that Lord is asking us to love each other and to love Him for He loved us before and loves us no and unto the ages of ages. We can not - here - show how much we love God if we hate on a fellow human being, for than we show that we do not love God, for in loving those we disagree with we show love to God - for that is the virtue - love.

The fact that we will disagree and argue should not come before or above what was given to us - to love each other as He loves us.

We can remain in disagreement in theological matters, probably we will - but, if we are to follow those whom we say we follow we have to be like them - in everything.

Saints argued - even heatedly, but they loved each other for that is what He taught them - so, as they who followed Him and us who follow them in following Him, let us all show love, especially in a disagreement.

And that should be only rule - that we will love God loving each other, for there is nothing bigger than love that a human being can have.

We are created as an icon of God, who is love - let us be that icon.

God helps.

[WarriorAngel]

Our Readings were about love this past Sunday.

If we have faith to move mountains, but had no love...
What good is that faith?

[Colabomb]

This is not about lack of Love. I hope to come to this forum and share with my bretheren who share much of the same Tradition and Church that I do. Which is exactly why I don't believe topics unique to Anglicanism, or Orthodoxy, or Catholicism, should be banned.

I believe we have too much to share to restrict the board in such a manner.

Will we ban the topic of papacy because only the Catholics support it? I hope not.

Will we ban discussion of Eastern Soteriology, because only half the board will support it? (many anglicans are eastern in that sense) I hope not.

We should share with each other, and understand our differences, not create a forum where all we do is go "Yup!" all day, because we are limited to topics where we all agree.

[xristos.anesti]

Colabomb, God helps,

I do not think that anyone here is talking about stopping dividing topics that will cause disagreement and theological argumentation. I understood what WA said as the internal disagreements that we have, as a given example of what we may consider hot topics internally among ourselves, being of the same ecclesiology - belonging to the same Church that is.

I do not think that some other Orthodox and myself should argue in here about things we might not necessarily agree on - so to speak, and please forgive for this term, washing of enternal "dirty laundry" in this forum.

I.e. - I do not know - if I was to argue with a Greek Orthodox about ever divisive issue of who makes better baklava - I mean, everyone knows that Serbs make better baklava than Greeks.

But if it comes to arguing with Roman Catholics because they inserted a wrong type of pecan nuts into baklava - that is open to argument - seriously, Romans - stick to the first 1000 years and insert only the right type of pecan nuts.

Heathens.

^_^

On a serious note, I did not perceive WA's post as going against theological argumentation among us (members of Apostolic Churches) but rather among us (members of the same Church).

Do I make any sense?

Many years.

[WarriorAngel]

This is not about lack of Love. I hope to come to this forum and share with my bretheren who share much of the same Tradition and Church that I do. Which is exactly why I don't believe topics unique to Anglicanism, or Orthodoxy, or Catholicism, should be banned.

I believe we have too much to share to restrict the board in such a manner.

Will we ban the topic of papacy because only the Catholics support it? I hope not.

Will we ban discussion of Eastern Soteriology, because only half the board will support it? (many anglicans are eastern in that sense) I hope not.

We should share with each other, and understand our differences, not create a forum where all we do is go "Yup!" all day, because we are limited to topics where we all agree.

I want to point out the Papacy is the same as your own Bishops...and that is not a dispute within the Catholic community.

An arsenol of post break off from the Church will only ensue in Anglicans arguing in here.

And that is already done in the Anglican section...
SO wouldnt it be best to air your dirty laundry at home?

IE...try not using this forum to dispute the evident divisions you have and try keeping the peace with your brethren in a shared forum with other Apostolic Churches...?

I dont know why anyone sees that as a plus. But we are sharing this space....it is not home base.

But....hey, I wont participate in those types of threads, because it doesnt bring a spirit of unity within your own community, when you are already arguing at home. Why bring it out in public?

Well, whatever....
I just dont see it conducive to the idea behind this forum.

[xristos.anesti]

I want to point out the Papacy is the same as your own Bishops...and that is not a dispute within the Catholic community.

An arsenol of post break off from the Church will only ensue in Anglicans arguing in here.

And that is already done in the Anglican section...
SO wouldnt it be best to air your dirty laundry at home?

IE...try not using this forum to dispute the evident divisions you have and try keeping the peace with your brethren in a shared forum with other Apostolic Churches...?

I dont know why anyone sees that as a plus. But we are sharing this space....it is not home base.

But....hey, I wont participate in those types of threads, because it doesnt bring a spirit of unity within your own community, when you are already arguing at home. Why bring it out in public?

Well, whatever....
I just dont see it conducive to the idea behind this forum.

I told ya ^_^.

Many years.

[WarriorAngel]

I told ya ^_^.

Many years.

:sigh: :P

[xristos.anesti]

WA, It amazed me that you came with the "dirty laundry" one also - truly strange.

[WarriorAngel]

WA, It amazed me that you came with the "dirty laundry" one also - truly strange.

I just NOW saw your post right before mine. :idea:
Pretty interesting we are on the same page. :thumbsup:
And I didnt even know it.

[cubanito]

I have no experience or knowledge on being a moderator.

The temperament of my character would likely make me a very problematic moderator.

I do not subscribe to any version of apostolic succession.

I am not seeking the position of moderator on this or any other forum.

No one has asked me to be a moderator.

Thank You,

JR

[longhair75]

I repeat that my friend Colabomb is much better suited to be the Anglican representative to the Apostolic Church Forum Moderator staff than I.

I would gladly step aside for his appointment.

[Letalis]

I repeat that my friend Colabomb is much better suited to be the Anglican representative to the Apostolic Church Forum Moderator staff than I.

I would gladly step aside for his appointment.
Done. :)

[longhair75]

Thank you. The forum will be much better off with Friend Colabomb on staff

[karen freeinchristman]

I want to point out the Papacy is the same as your own Bishops...and that is not a dispute within the Catholic community.

An arsenol of post break off from the Church will only ensue in Anglicans arguing in here.

And that is already done in the Anglican section...
SO wouldnt it be best to air your dirty laundry at home?

IE...try not using this forum to dispute the evident divisions you have and try keeping the peace with your brethren in a shared forum with other Apostolic Churches...?

I dont know why anyone sees that as a plus. But we are sharing this space....it is not home base.

But....hey, I wont participate in those types of threads, because it doesnt bring a spirit of unity within your own community, when you are already arguing at home. Why bring it out in public?

Well, whatever....
I just dont see it conducive to the idea behind this forum.
I understand what you mean about not wanting Anglicans debating in this forum on issues that only pertain to Anglicans and could be discussed in the Anglican forum. What I don't understand is why we keep going on about it. It hasn't even happened yet. OK, so we will all try not to have that happen. Let's move on already.

[Colabomb]

I was not campaigning for moderatorship of the board, but I will accept the position if that is what you want.

God Bless.

[longhair75]

I was not campaigning for moderatorship of the board, but I will accept the position if that is what you want.

God Bless.
You will do very well, my friend

[1SavedByHisGrace]

We are brothers, and I pray we can all get together well, and I believe with hard work this forum can be fruitful.

However as I am sure contentious issues will be discussed on this board.

I move for a vote.

I would like to see each denomination represented equally in the moderation staff.

I think it would be better to have the moderators elected by voting for them. It's more democratic.

[nestoj]

I have no experience or knowledge on being a moderator.

The temperament of my character would likely make me a very problematic moderator.

I do not subscribe to any version of apostolic succession.

I am not seeking the position of moderator on this or any other forum.

No one has asked me to be a moderator.

Thank You,

JR
Ah, a golf club manager....:P

nestoj
God helps

[EmperorConstantine]

After briefly skimming this thread, I am almost tempted to throw in my chances of being mod here...



What would be nice though, is if we had an odd number of mods.

Something like: two Anglicans (one conservative, one liberal), two Roman Catholics (see Anglican parentheses), two Eastern Orthodox (see Anglican parentheses) and the last one maybe Oriental Orthodox.

I only think that one Oriental Orthodox because, to be frank, there are not a lot of Oriental Orthodox in this forum, let alone all of CF.