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Fish and Bread
10th July 2007, 09:10 PM
Some of these discussions we're having seem to come down to groups of folks with different overall visions of the forum expressing all their differences in the form of debates over details. And that's fine. But it also might be useful to discuss "the vision thing" a bit. :)

How do we see this forum ultimately? What I'd like to see is a place where anyone Anglicanesque and Old Catholicesque can feel at home, a place that brings together a wide variety of folks within a certain basic framework of an affinity for things Anglican, including things other traditions share.

So we could have a group that included Anglicans of all stripes, regardless of creedal affirmations and so forth, and Old Catholics and people like them. And Roman Catholics. And Eastern Orthodox. And so forth. I think we'd generate a lot of traffic and a not of interesting discussions and a lot of greater understanding and friendships and so forth.

The other vision some have might be described as more of a "closed group". Anglicans and Old Catholics who all affirm certain things. Conservative traditionalists. Or frequent posters only. Or whatever. I don't like that vision. It's not that it's a bad thing, it's just that it is short of what we *could* be. We'll wind up with fewer interesting topics and personalities, few insights, few new understandings, etc.. And exclude a lot of people, maybe just partially, but, even so, why can't we all be a family with equal status instead of having a caste system?

PaladinValer
10th July 2007, 09:37 PM
We already have something like 5 threads on this now...let's just concentrate on one that we got going on already before we make more.

Wigglesworth
10th July 2007, 09:40 PM
I like the vision of the Anglican cafe where Old Catholics have been welcomed, because we have nowhere else to go, and anyone else can visit and chat as long as they remain civil and cordial.

:crossrc:

PaladinValer
10th July 2007, 09:44 PM
I agree Wiggles

I personally don't want a STR without Old Catholics as full members and participants. Its been like that for so long and I am rather loathe for it to change.

EvAng
11th July 2007, 06:47 AM
So we could have a group that included Anglicans of all stripes, regardless of creedal affirmations and so forth, and Old Catholics and people like them. And Roman Catholics. And Eastern Orthodox. And so forth. I think we'd generate a lot of traffic and a not of interesting discussions and a lot of greater understanding and friendships and so forth.

The other vision some have might be described as more of a "closed group". Anglicans and Old Catholics who all affirm certain things. Conservative traditionalists. Or frequent posters only. Or whatever. I don't like that vision. It's not that it's a bad thing, it's just that it is short of what we *could* be. We'll wind up with fewer interesting topics and personalities, few insights, few new understandings, etc.. And exclude a lot of people, maybe just partially, but, even so, why can't we all be a family with equal status instead of having a caste system?

In STR I believe that the main forum should allow fellowship between Anglicans (this term needs defining) of various traditions. I then see a number of subforums created for a number of reasons:
1. Ask an Anglican - The forum to ask Anglicans questions about their beliefs
2. Debate with an Anglican - The forum to debate with Anglicans about their beliefs
3. Anglican Library - A forum to discuss and recommend books and resources
4. Conservative Anglicans - The forum for conservative Anglicans to fellowship and grow together in the Lord
5. Evangelical Anglicans - The forum for evangelical Anglicans to fellowship and grow together in the Lord
6. Liberal Anglicans - The forum for liberal Anglicans to fellowship and grow together in the Lord
7. Anglo-Catholics Together - The forum for Anglo-Catholics to fellowship and grow together in the Lord

So my vision is:
STR is a forum which champions unity whilst recognising diversity.

PaladinValer
11th July 2007, 10:34 AM
1. Ask an Anglican - The forum to ask Anglicans questions about their beliefs

Not a bad idea, but is it all that necessary?

2. Debate with an Anglican - The forum to debate with Anglicans about their beliefs

I disagree. It should happen in the regular STR forum.

3. Anglican Library - A forum to discuss and recommend books and resources

This gets my support.

4. Conservative Anglicans - The forum for conservative Anglicans to fellowship and grow together in the Lord
5. Evangelical Anglicans - The forum for evangelical Anglicans to fellowship and grow together in the Lord
6. Liberal Anglicans - The forum for liberal Anglicans to fellowship and grow together in the Lord
7. Anglo-Catholics Together - The forum for Anglo-Catholics to fellowship and grow together in the Lord

This will all fail to receive a majority vote. And I've noticed that you all have your own separate forum elsewhere for this, so you already got what you want. Why make STR have to have it too?