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FreeinChrist
10th July 2007, 07:22 PM
This is to get us started.


The definition of a Baptist for the Baptist forum is
a) attends a Baptist church
and/or
b) hold to the following truths:

http://www.geocities.com/calvinistic/what_do_baptists_believe.html
Baptists may differ over Calvinism vs. Arminianism, Worship Styles, Bible Translations, etc., but they must adhere to the following to be truly Baptist.

B Biblical Authority (http://www.geocities.com/calvinistic/Biblical_authority.htm). (http://www.geocities.com/calvinistic/Biblical_authority.htm)
The Bible is the verbally and plenarily inspired Word of God. II Timothy 3:16, II Peter 1:21 The Bible is without error. “The Bible is our final authority for all matters of faith and practice”, Dr. Jerry Moore. The Word of God is God’s direct revelation to us and thus our supreme authority in all matters.

A Autonomy of the Local Church.
Matthew 18:15-18 Autonomy means self governing. The church governs itself and its members. There are at least 3 main styles of self rule; Shepherd rule, Board rule, and Congregational rule. Shepherd rule is where the Pastor leads the congregation and makes the majority of the decisions. Board rule or Elder rule is where the Deacon board, Elder board, Trustee board, with or sometimes without the Pastor makes the majority of the decisions. The third style is the Congregational rule; the members of the church vote and make the majority of the decisions. Some churches use a combination of these styles or sometimes allow an Administrator to make some decisions. In all cases, the local church governs itself. The local church is not governed by a Convention, Presbytery, Synod, Council, Etc. Some churches voluntarily join a convention that doesn’t rule them, but helps support them such as the Southern Baptist Convention, Conservative Baptist Convention, Etc., while they retain their independence.

P Priesthood of the Believer (http://www.geocities.com/calvinistic/priesthood_of_the_believer.htm). (http://www.geocities.com/calvinistic/priesthood_of_the_believer.htm)
We have access into the throne room of heaven. Our lives are to be our sacrifice. Romans 12:1,2 The priest conducted the sacrifices and made the petitions for the people in the Old Testament. With the covenant of grace, Jesus paid the price for our sins, we are made the priests and our lives are to be a living sacrifice to God. We have direct access into the throne room of heaven! Hebrews 10:19 (side note, this is why we are not Catholic, we can pray to God directly without going to confession)

T Two Ordinances.
1. Baptism (http://www.geocities.com/calvinistic/baptism.htm). Romans 6:1-7 We believe in full immersion Baptism. Since, we are dead to sin, we are to be fully immersed. A burial involves more than sprinkling of a little dirt on the head of the corpse. Even as a dead animal is put completely under the ground, we believe in that full immersion symbolizes our death to sin. (side note, this is what makes the Baptists distinct from the Methodists and Presbyterians who sprinkle). Edit to add: We believe in the baptism of believers only

2. Communion. (http://www.geocities.com/calvinistic/communion.htm) I Corinthians 11:23-34. The Lord’s Supper is a symbol lesson of what Jesus Christ did on the Cross of Calvary.

I Individual Soul Liberty (http://www.geocities.com/calvinistic/individual_soul_liberty.htm). (http://www.geocities.com/calvinistic/individual_soul_liberty.htm)
Each one of us will have to give an account of ourselves to God. We need to be the judge of one another. Matthew 7:1 We shouldn’t enforce our rules of legalism on someone else or vice versa. We can and should correct someone if they are in outright sin though. We need to correct our brothers in a loving a manner. We need to speak the truth in love and is best done going to that brother in private. We need to pray first, to make sure that we ourselves aren’t the one in the wrong. Let’s be careful not to judge, but also not to allow sin in the camp either. We need not impede each other’s soul liberty. Some matters like adultery are worth correcting. Some matters like someone who wears a different name brand of jeans than us isn’t.

S Saved Church Membership.
Before anyone can be a member of a Baptist church, they first must be truly saved. We believe in the new birth, the new creation in Christ: simply stated, the saved Christian has been born again through the work of God's grace. 1 Peter 1:23, Acts 2:47 Also, Romans 10:9, i.e., The Romans Road to Salvation

T Two Officers.
Pastor (http://www.geocities.com/calvinistic/pastor.htm), which is the same as the overseer or bishop. He is the elder of the church. In other words, the Pastor is the leader of the church. I Timothy 5:17, I Thessalonians 5:12 A Pastor is worthy of respect and deserves to be paid for the work he does. The Pastor is the servant of God who is entrusted with the awesome responsibility of accurately handling the Word of God. He must have the ability to teach and preach.

Deacons are men who exhibit signs of spiritual leadership. The deacons are servants to the Pastors. Acts 6:1-7 The purpose of a deacon is to relieve the burden on the pastor, so the Pastor can devote his time to prayer and ministry of the word.

S Separation of Church and State.
Matthew 22:21 We believe that church and the government are to be separate entities. We should both pay our tithes and our taxes. God takes precedence over the government.


to this I would add Trinitarian, and believes in the bodily resurrection of our Lord and His future Second Coming.

Rules:

1. All are welcome to come post in the Baptist forum for friendship, fellowship, and conversation, but debate is limited to Baptists only.
Debate is definied as an informal or formal discussion of
opposing viewpoints. "Teaching posts" will be considered debate.

2. New moderators need to be Baptists in belief.

3. Only Baptist members can vote for the moderators of the Baptist forum.

4. NonBaptists can ask question and post fellowship posts in the main forum.

Snapshot taken: 25th July 2007, 07:41 AM

Joykins
10th July 2007, 10:38 PM
The definition of Baptist included in the OP doesn't specify BELIEVER'S baptism but does stress immersion--this is a fairly striking omission. in a definition of the Baptist faith.

I think this one is more comprehensive; it also includes the Lordship of Jesus Christ and evangelism: http://egerton.cfyc.org/1964Baptist.htm Also it seems better-written.

FreeinChrist
10th July 2007, 11:56 PM
I agree that the second one is better written.

MrJim
11th July 2007, 06:03 PM
What about implementing [Open] threads?

Lisa0315
11th July 2007, 07:02 PM
The definition of Baptist included in the OP doesn't specify BELIEVER'S baptism but does stress immersion--this is a fairly striking omission. in a definition of the Baptist faith.

I think this one is more comprehensive; it also includes the Lordship of Jesus Christ and evangelism: http://egerton.cfyc.org/1964Baptist.htm Also it seems better-written.

I like that one better too!

Lisa

Lisa0315
11th July 2007, 07:04 PM
I added Romans 10:9 to the Salvation part.

Lisa

FreeinChrist
12th July 2007, 01:49 AM
Shall we post both descriptions in the Baptist forum with a poll?

FreeinChrist
12th July 2007, 08:42 AM
The definition of Baptist included in the OP doesn't specify BELIEVER'S baptism but does stress immersion--this is a fairly striking omission. in a definition of the Baptist faith.

I think this one is more comprehensive; it also includes the Lordship of Jesus Christ and evangelism: http://egerton.cfyc.org/1964Baptist.htm Also it seems better-written.
In reading that I don't think it fits what we need either.

MrJim
12th July 2007, 05:34 PM
In reading that I don't think it fits what we need either.

I thought you were going to be gone for 4 days.^_^

MrJim
12th July 2007, 05:36 PM
"Tithes" is not a New Testament teaching~should be changed to something about giving to support the Lord's work.

Tithing is biblical but not Christian teaching :P

FreeinChrist
12th July 2007, 11:27 PM
I thought you were going to be gone for 4 days.^_^
Turns out my mother in law got signed up with high speed internet!:clap:

But I am visiting alot.

FreeinChrist
12th July 2007, 11:28 PM
I like the description at this site:
http://www.baptist2baptist.net/b2barticle.asp?ID=226

We could pull out what is appropriate for this forum.

rainbowpromises
13th July 2007, 06:37 PM
How does this apply to forum rules?

I can look this up as the Mission Statement or We Believe Statement of any Baptist church/other type of church. Yes we need something, maybe a sticky to show what we believe as Baptists, but I understood that we have to get rules in place or:


Any denomination will be able to moderate us
Any denomination will answer questions for us as Baptist
Baptists will be so busy debating each other with others looking on

Joykins
13th July 2007, 06:40 PM
It would be nice if a copy of something in the public domain could be found.

rainbowpromises
13th July 2007, 06:41 PM
Forgot to say that someone will be busy baking cookies.

Diane_Windsor
13th July 2007, 11:32 PM
It would be nice if a copy of something in the public domain could be found.

Perhaps an early Baptist or Anabaptist Confession is in the public domain.

:)

FreeinChrist
14th July 2007, 08:56 PM
How does this apply to forum rules?

I can look this up as the Mission Statement or We Believe Statement of any Baptist church/other type of church. Yes we need something, maybe a sticky to show what we believe as Baptists, but I understood that we have to get rules in place or:

Any denomination will be able to moderate us
Any denomination will answer questions for us as Baptist
Baptists will be so busy debating each other with others looking on
It applies in defining Baptists. There have been accusations in the past of "you aren't a Baptist" because the person had a Reformed icon, or said they were charsmatic, when there are Reformed, freewill, charsmatic, etc Baptists...and in defining a basic description, we can then say to someone that they are not allowed not debate.
We had to define the Fundamentalist forum and I thought it could be useful for Baptist as well.

rainbowpromises
14th July 2007, 09:00 PM
It applies in defining Baptists. There have been accusations in the past of "you aren't a Baptist" because the person had a Reformed icon, or said they were charsmatic, when there are Reformed, freewill, charsmatic, etc Baptists...and in defining a basic description, we can then say to someone that they are not allowed not debate.
We had to define the Fundamentalist forum and I thought it could be useful for Baptist as well.
I noticed other denominations starting with a "We Believe" or "Preamble" after I questioned this.

FreeinChrist
16th July 2007, 06:37 PM
Ok, how about this:
What is a Baptist
1. A Baptist is one who has experienced salvation through personal faith in Jesus Christ,that Jesus Christ died for our sins so that those who believe may be saved (John 3:16). A “saved Christian” is one who is reborn through the work of God’s grace. (I Peter 1:23, Acts 2:47, Romans 10: 9, the Romans Road.) Baptists believe we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9)
2. A Baptist believes in sola scriptura, believing that scripture is sufficient for all matters of faith and practice. (II Tim. 3:16-17) the Bible is written by men but inspired of God and is God’s revelation of Himself to man.
3. A Baptist is Trinitarian, believing in One Eternal God in three Persons, each fully God, yet one God:
From the Baptist Faith and Message (2000)
God as Father reigns with providential care over His universe, His creatures, and the flow of the stream of human history according to the purposes of His grace. He is all powerful, all knowing, all loving, and all wise. God is Father in truth to those who become children of God through faith in Jesus Christ. He is fatherly in His attitude toward all men.
Genesis 1:1; 2:7; Exodus 3:14; 6:2-3; 15:11ff.; 20:1ff.; Leviticus 22:2; Deuteronomy 6:4; 32:6; 1 Chronicles 29:10; Psalm 19:1-3; Isaiah 43:3,15; 64:8; Jeremiah 10:10; 17:13; Matthew 6:9ff.; 7:11; 23:9; 28:19; Mark 1:9-11; John 4:24; 5:26; 14:6-13; 17:1-8; Acts 1:7; Romans 8:14-15; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 4:6; Colossians 1:15; 1 Timothy 1:17; Hebrews 11:6; 12:9; 1 Peter 1:17; 1 John 5:7.
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin. He honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and in His substitutionary death on the cross He made provision for the redemption of men from sin. He was raised from the dead with a glorified body and appeared to His disciples as the person who was with them before His crucifixion. He ascended into heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God where He is the One Mediator, fully God, fully man, in whose Person is effected the reconciliation between God and man. He will return in power and glory to judge the world and to consummate His redemptive mission. He now dwells in all believers as the living and ever present Lord.
Genesis 18:1ff.; Psalms 2:7ff.; 110:1ff.; Isaiah 7:14; 53; Matthew 1:18-23; 3:17; 8:29; 11:27; 14:33; 16:16,27; 17:5; 27; 28:1-6,19; Mark 1:1; 3:11; Luke 1:35; 4:41; 22:70; 24:46; John 1:1-18,29; 10:30,38; 11:25-27; 12:44-50; 14:7-11; 16:15-16,28; 17:1-5, 21-22; 20:1-20,28; Acts 1:9; 2:22-24; 7:55-56; 9:4-5,20; Romans 1:3-4; 3:23-26; 5:6-21; 8:1-3,34; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:30; 2:2; 8:6; 15:1-8,24-28; 2 Corinthians 5:19-21; 8:9; Galatians 4:4-5; Ephesians 1:20; 3:11; 4:7-10; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 1:13-22; 2:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18; 1 Timothy 2:5-6; 3:16; Titus 2:13-14; Hebrews 1:1-3; 4:14-15; 7:14-28; 9:12-15,24-28; 12:2; 13:8; 1 Peter 2:21-25; 3:22; 1 John 1:7-9; 3:2; 4:14-15; 5:9; 2 John 7-9; Revelation 1:13-16; 5:9-14; 12:10-11; 13:8; 19:16
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, fully divine. He inspired holy men of old to write the Scriptures. Through illumination He enables men to understand truth. He exalts Christ. He convicts men of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment. He calls men to the Saviour, and effects regeneration. At the moment of regeneration He baptizes every believer into the Body of Christ. He cultivates Christian character, comforts believers, and bestows the spiritual gifts by which they serve God through His church. He seals the believer unto the day of final redemption. His presence in the Christian is the guarantee that God will bring the believer into the fullness of the stature of Christ. He enlightens and empowers the believer and the church in worship, evangelism, and service.
Genesis 1:2; Judges 14:6; Job 26:13; Psalms 51:11; 139:7ff.; Isaiah 61:1-3; Joel 2:28-32; Matthew 1:18; 3:16; 4:1; 12:28-32; 28:19; Mark 1:10,12; Luke 1:35; 4:1,18-19; 11:13; 12:12; 24:49; John 4:24; 14:16-17,26; 15:26; 16:7-14; Acts 1:8; 2:1-4,38; 4:31; 5:3; 6:3; 7:55; 8:17,39; 10:44; 13:2; 15:28; 16:6; 19:1-6; Romans 8:9-11,14-16,26-27; 1 Corinthians 2:10-14; 3:16; 12:3-11,13; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30; 5:18; 1 Thessalonians 5:19; 1 Timothy 3:16; 4:1; 2 Timothy 1:14; 3:16; Hebrews 9:8,14; 2 Peter 1:21; 1 John 4:13; 5:6-7; Revelation 1:10; 22:17.

4. Baptists believe in two ordinances: Baptism and the Lord’s Supper.
Baptism practice believer’s baptism with full immersion. Once a person confesses to believing in Jesus Christ, they may be baptized.
The Lord’s Supper is patterned after the Last Supper and is viewed as a memorial to the blood and body of Christ, a remembrance of His sacrifice for us. Individual Churches exercise independence, in that each church decides how often to celebrate the Lord’s Supper.
5. Baptists have beliefs in common with most Christian denominations, including the belief in the sinlessness of Jesus Christ, His virgin birth, His atoning death, burial and bodily resurrection, and His future Second Coming in judgment.
6. Baptists believe in the priesthood of every believer, and in the concept of ‘soul liberty’ (or religious liberty) – that every believer is capable of making decisions regarding their faith and practice without the coercion or compulsion of a larger governing body.
7. Some sources:
http://www.baptist2baptist.net/b2barticle.asp?ID=226 (http://www.baptist2baptist.net/b2barticle.asp?ID=226) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist#Two_Baptist_ordinances.E2.80.94believer.27s_baptism_and_Lord.27s_Supper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist#Two_Baptist_ordinances.E2.80.94believer.27s_baptism_and_Lord.27s_Supper)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1689_London_Baptist_Confession_of_Faith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1689_London_Baptist_Confession_of_Faith)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1833_New_Hampshire_Baptist_Confession_of_Faith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1833_New_Hampshire_Baptist_Confession_of_Faith)
http://www.abc-usa.org/ (http://www.abc-usa.org/)
http://www.cbamerica.org/ (http://www.cbamerica.org/)
http://www.generalbaptist.com/ (http://www.generalbaptist.com/)
http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp (http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp)

FreeinChrist
17th July 2007, 12:48 PM
BTW I added the statement about only bpatist members can vote on a Baptist moderator (and removed the cookie statement though that was a good idea!!) .

Lisa0315
18th July 2007, 01:32 PM
I have compiled a list of all wikis, threads, etc into one wiki. I am linking this one over there. There is so much work we need to do! Please join me there and lets get the ball rolling!

http://www.christianforums.com/t5721964-wiki-baptist-only-wiki-for-action-items.html

Lisa

FreeinChrist
20th July 2007, 02:10 AM
the poll in the Baptist forum is about done so i went ahead and added this to the wiki:
1. All are welcome to come post in the Baptist forum for friendship, fellowship, and conversation, but debate is limited to Baptists only.
Debate is definied as an informal or formal discussion of
opposing viewpoints. "Teaching posts" will be considered debate.

2. New moderators need to be Baptists in belief.

3. Only Baptist members can vote for the moderators of the Baptist forum.

4. NonBaptists can ask question and post fellowship posts in the main forum.