Changes 7.7.7

[karen freeinchristman]

Have you seen this?
http://www.christianforums.com/t5644964

[Iosias]

Nope..but I have now ;)

As a natural conservative fearful of change I am worried...:)

[ProdigalSeeker]

I have already had incidents where I felt the staff was being to critical and censuring any expression of free thought. But, will wait and see.

[TomUK]

Ooooooh, very exciting.

[Wigglesworth]

This is significant.

:crossrc:

[JMC309]

:scratch: Any thoughts about what the changes may be?

[karen freeinchristman]

I've thought it could be something along the lines of less separation in denominational forums. Maybe an overhaul of the rules? Just a guess, though. Whatever happens, it is Erwin's site, and if at first we don't like the changes, I think we should make an effort to adjust without people getting all upset. I can't stand it when everyone reacts with loads of complaints before they even have time to try out or road-test it for a while first.

I wonder if the site will be down for any length of time while he makes changes.

[TomUK]

I hope he doesn't think about getting rid of the denominational forums. When i've been thought about leaving in the past it was only the fact that there was an Anglican safe haven i could go which has kept me here.

[karen freeinchristman]

I hope he doesn't think about getting rid of the denominational forums. When i've been thought about leaving in the past it was only the fact that there was an Anglican safe haven i could go which has kept me here.
Well, that might not be what he is considering. I wouldn't like it if there weren't an Anglican forum, either.

[tbird_energizerbunny]

I do think the site will be down tomorrow sometime or Sunday. As seeing Erwin is in Australia, it will probably be down while he tries to fix it.

Erwin's keeping superquiet about all this, but I think that since it is Erwin's board, he should be allowed to do with it as he pleases.

[ProdigalSeeker]

Erwin's keeping superquiet about all this, but I think that since it is Erwin's board, he should be allowed to do with it as he pleases.
In agreement here. Since I joined in May, I'm kind of lost. Where did Erwin go to begin with?

[karen freeinchristman]

Erwin's keeping superquiet about all this, but I think that since it is Erwin's board, he should be allowed to do with it as he pleases.
In agreement here. Since I joined in May, I'm kind of lost. Where did Erwin go to begin with?
I think what happened is that Erwin put others in charge at the top, because he is so busy (I think he's a medical doctor AND a lawyer...:o ).

[ProdigalSeeker]

Ahh... well in that case, it's good God gave him more time to see to his "child's" development.

[karen freeinchristman]

Here is Erwin's post detailing the changes:
http://www.christianforums.com/t5657050-a-new-cf-an-old-vision.html

I think it is wonderful!

[SirTimothy]

Here is Erwin's post detailing the changes:
http://www.christianforums.com/t5657050-a-new-cf-an-old-vision.html

I think it is wonderful!
I am resigning from staff, due to this action. I will probably not post here any longer.

[karen freeinchristman]

I am resigning from staff, due to this action. I will probably not post here any longer.
I am extremely sorry to hear that, Timothy.

[TomUK]

I am extremely sorry to hear that, Timothy.

As am I. Why are you leaving the site?

[SirTimothy]

As am I. Why are you leaving the site?
When I am counted as Christian as a Mormon, or a Jehovah's Witness yet the Christ that the three of us serve is completely different, I cannot in all honesty stay.

[Aymn27]

When I am counted as Christian as a Mormon, or a Jehovah's Witness yet the Christ that the three of us serve is completely different, I cannot in all honesty stay.
my problem too...not to mention acceptance of homosexual marriage - which I cannot accept as an acceptable Christian practice....

Check out the other forums...there is a mass exodus and many are saying the same as you/we are...this is not a good thing imho..

[Iosias]

I am resigning from staff, due to this action. I will probably not post here any longer.

I am joining you in that! I think Puritan Board (http://www.puritanboard.com/) and theConservativeAnglican (http://www.setbb.com/conservativeang/index.php?mforum=conservativeang) will be my "homes"now.

I object to the following and so will not stay here. I have enjoyed our discussions even if at times they have been heated. May God bless you all!

e. No more restriction of forums for non-Christians - if a non-Christian can walk into a church, a non-Christian can walk and post in any forum here. Some forums may still have gender or age restrictions, but the whole side, as should be any Christian site, will now be totally [OPEN].
f. No more restriction of faith icons - who are we to tell you who you are or what you believe in? In fact, no other restrictions - if you want to call yourself married, go ahead. It is between you and God, not you and CF.
g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge.

[Tishri1]

for anyone who stays and needs help figuring things out I am still here, God has not given me the signal to go and I want to help you PM me or ask your question here I'll be here:wave::hug::hug::hug::hug:

[kiwimac]

Well,

Sorry to see you go but I think the changes are all for the good.

[karen freeinchristman]

for anyone who stays and needs help figuring things out I am still here, God has not given me the signal to go and I want to help you PM me or ask your question here I'll be here:wave::hug::hug::hug::hug:
That is very kind of you, thank you, Tishri! :thumbsup:

[ProdigalSeeker]

Sorry to see you go but I think the changes are all for the good.

In agreement with Kiwi, but it seems to me we agree on several key areas. I have a feeling this change is going to cause a schism with people who disagree on more "liberal" theology to leave... which is bad for all of us, as it is when differing opinions get involved that learning takes place (for me) and that's what represented CF to me. Buy hey, I'm going on sabattical monday :P

[ChaliceThunder]

I think the change is wonderful, as it expresses (for me) the heart of the Gospel of Christ.

I am very sorry to see some of you intending to leave. It is saddening, because in the end, I think we all need one another. (Witness Paul's "body talk.") There IS a place for everyone at the Table.

I hope those of you who have thought about leaving will reconsider. In any case, my prayers are with you.

[tbird_energizerbunny]

I intend to stay....

....I think it will be awesome! Great changes coming our way.

[Inside Edge]

Sweet. I just may have to make time for these boards again.

[TomUK]

When I am counted as Christian as a Mormon, or a Jehovah's Witness yet the Christ that the three of us serve is completely different, I cannot in all honesty stay.

SirTimothy,

I am increasingly getting the impression that Erwin wants CF to become like smaller communities which come together to form CF as a whole. If we as the STR community which to keep STR as it has been in the past (ie. nicene, Anglican etc.) then that is our right. The point is that it is our responsiblity to keep this forum orthodox. Erwin has delegated that authority to us as a community. The only thing that will happen as a result of you leaving the community is that STR will have one less Orthodox voice. As far as i gather Erwin is giving us the freedom to shape this is we desire. You need to be a part of it.

[RadixLecti]

SirTimothy,

I am increasingly getting the impression that Erwin wants CF to become like smaller communities which come together to form CF as a whole. If we as the STR community which to keep STR as it has been in the past (ie. nicene, Anglican etc.) then that is our right. The point is that it is our responsiblity to keep this forum orthodox. Erwin has delegated that authority to us as a community. The only thing that will happen as a result of you leaving the community is that STR will have one less Orthodox voice. As far as i gather Erwin is giving us the freedom to shape this is we desire. You need to be a part of it.
Hmmm, Tom you may have a point. I might stick around after all.

[PaladinValer]

I started a thread that basically is a "I'm staying and cooperating to organize a new, more friendly STR" here: http://www.christianforums.com/t5661449-a-new-we-community.html

I encourage all who plan to stay or are at least seriously thinking of staying (or even coming back!) to post so that we can have an accurate list of who's in and who's not.

[Aymn27]

SirTimothy,

I am increasingly getting the impression that Erwin wants CF to become like smaller communities which come together to form CF as a whole. If we as the STR community which to keep STR as it has been in the past (ie. nicene, Anglican etc.) then that is our right. The point is that it is our responsiblity to keep this forum orthodox. Erwin has delegated that authority to us as a community. The only thing that will happen as a result of you leaving the community is that STR will have one less Orthodox voice. As far as i gather Erwin is giving us the freedom to shape this is we desire. You need to be a part of it.
I'm kinda getting this too Tom..it actually occured to me that we may have the option of getting our "conservative anglican" forum and being able to keep it within the realms we want -- my questions - which will be answered eventually - is if someone comes in and says they're "conservative" but then start advocating elephants, etc - how do we deal? It seems that Erwin is advocating little to no discipline...so I just wonder....

[ProdigalSeeker]

:P Granted there are two different branches of Lutheranism (the more liberal ELCA and the more conservative Missouri Synod) while only one Episcopal/Anglican branch (wow... irony 2 names 1 branch vs. 1 name 2 branches? anyway digressing) but I think it would be a great idea for 2 subforums under the Anglican forum (conservative and liberal) while one remains open for general posts. People that don't wish to view liberal or conservative posts won't have to, while keeping the option open, and there would be the "General" forum to keep us cohesive.

Don't know if anyone has looked at the lutheran forum, but they are starting to think of how to self manage as well... (http://www.christianforums.com/t5661750-discussion-thread-for-new-rules-for-tcl.html)

We are all in this together... well except for me as I am going to Washington monday (did I mention that yet? :P )

P.S is anyne elsess spel cheker not ben werkin lately?

[Aymn27]

:P Granted there are two different branches of Lutheranism (the more liberal ELCA and the more conservative Missouri Synod) while only one Episcopal/Anglican branch (wow... irony 2 names 1 branch vs. 1 name 2 branches? anyway digressing) but I think it would be a great idea for 2 subforums under the Anglican forum (conservative and liberal) while one remains open for general posts. People that don't wish to view liberal or conservative posts won't have to, while keeping the option open, and there would be the "General" forum to keep us cohesive.

Don't know if anyone has looked at the lutheran forum, but they are starting to think of how to self manage as well... (http://www.christianforums.com/t5661750-discussion-thread-for-new-rules-for-tcl.html)

We are all in this together... well except for me as I am going to Washington monday (did I mention that yet? :P )

P.S is anyne elsess spel cheker not ben werkin lately?
brother..we have been advocating this for over a year now but the liberal (and a few conservatives) will hear nothing of the sort...I'm glad to see you are such a "free thinker"...

Ron Paul 2008?

[ProdigalSeeker]

Free thinker?

you must not have been reading my previous posts??? ^_^ ^_^
They must be thinking it would be too divisive I guess.
It's really just philisophical aikido... path of least resistance producing the best results (IMHO)

Paul is looking good... if the libertarians weren't such as "social organization" and ran more effective campaigns, I would go that way though.

[Aymn27]

Free thinker?

you must not have been reading my previous posts??? ^_^ ^_^
They must be thinking it would be too divisive I guess.
It's really just philisophical aikido... path of least resistance producing the best results (IMHO)

Paul is looking good... if the libertarians weren't such as "social organization" and ran more effective campaigns, I would go that way though.
I'm a ron paul republican until he looses the primary...then I just don't know...

I won't do the Libertarian party b/c they just don't have a chance in this two party system...sad, I know, but true...

[RadixLecti]

I'm a ron paul republican until he looses the primary...then I just don't know...

I won't do the Libertarian party b/c they just don't have a chance in this two party system...sad, I know, but true...
same here

[ProdigalSeeker]

There was a libertarian governor candidate in Phoenix last year... campaign never got off the ground. There was no spreading the word... mostly just "preaching to the choir" and it's a small choir.

Oh, BTW... added some fresh jokes to forum. It's been a long day. Tired. Go sleep sleep now.

[Iosias]

I was going to let you know yesterday but I went out to a BBQ but my AV1611 is being put asunder which I have wanted to do for a while now.

I shall henceforth be known as EvAng. ;)

[EvAng]

Howdy y'all :)

[karen freeinchristman]

Howdy y'all :)
Howdy, EvAng! :wave:

We would say 'welcome' and show you around, but you already know the place! :)

[karen freeinchristman]

Here is Erwin's thread about his timeline for the changes: http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=36536729#post36536729

If you subscribe to that thread, you can keep informed.:thumbsup:

[karen freeinchristman]

And if you haven't been keeping up with the (now 3) threads announcing the changes, here is a post I've just seen in the 3rd one:

I want to ask the members to give the other members some credit - I don't believe that members of this community will come up with rules that would hurt themselves. Neither would members of the community vote in moderators for their own forums that are going to be bad ones. At the start, popular people may get voted in, but after some time, it will be the members who are FAIR and JUST who will get good feedback and remain in the long-term as moderators.