Healings

[JKid]

I am very confused about healings. I know that in the bible it shows how jesus healed the sick. The thing that i am confused about though are fath healings in church. I was speaking to a friend and he told me about a special church service that is for those who are sick and want to get healed instantly but the thing that disturbed me is that he said not evrybody gets healed only those who have enough faith.

Do any of you belive this is true or not?

And also how do faith healings work?

[Macca]

I am very confused about healings. I know that in the bible it shows how jesus healed the sick. The thing that i am confused about though are fath healings in church. I was speaking to a friend and he told me about a special church service that is for those who are sick and want to get healed instantly but the thing that disturbed me is that he said not evrybody gets healed only those who have enough faith.

Do any of you belive this is true or not?

And also how do faith healings work?
well it really isn't that simple. (though many would say it is)
Jesus told us that when we preach the gospel, signs and wonders would accompany us.Those who believe would be healed.
James tells us that the sick should call the elders of the church and be anointed with oil, pray the prayer of faith and they would be forgiven and healed.
Why some people are not healed is not fully understood. If you challenge a person who has been prayed for and not healed, do you think they would say anything else but that they have enough faith. So how can you tell.
I heard an account of a man whose wife was very sick. He prayed for her to be healed, but felt the Lord saying, "No I want her with me." but the man insisted that he needed hie wife, so God eventually healed her.
12 Months later she ran off with another man.
We must trust God's answers to prayer.
:preach:

[twistedsketch]

I was speaking to a friend and he told me about a special church service that is for those who are sick and want to get healed instantly but the thing that disturbed me is that he said not evrybody gets healed only those who have enough faith.
That's nothing but a fine way of kicking people who are already down. You are right to be disturbed.

[heymikey80]

I am very confused about healings. I know that in the bible it shows how jesus healed the sick. The thing that i am confused about though are fath healings in church. I was speaking to a friend and he told me about a special church service that is for those who are sick and want to get healed instantly but the thing that disturbed me is that he said not evrybody gets healed only those who have enough faith.
Maybe he's just honestly mistaken, JKid. Sometimes the tough stuff doesn't translate well for kids.
Do any of you belive this is true or not?
I believe healings happen. I don't think they're about how much faith you have at all. They're about what the Spirit of God wants, not about what I want.
And also how do faith healings work?
God decides, God moves, the person is healed. You can't really manipulate God to heal people. He'll do what He wants.

My greatest mentor has wanted healing for 25 years. Everyone, please pray for him: Joe. He'll tell me if he's healed. It will go worldwide if he is. A large denomination will turn upside down. I'll be posting on every board. Believe me, it'll turn me inside out with joy for him.

[WarEagle]

I am very confused about healings. I know that in the bible it shows how jesus healed the sick. The thing that i am confused about though are fath healings in church. I was speaking to a friend and he told me about a special church service that is for those who are sick and want to get healed instantly but the thing that disturbed me is that he said not evrybody gets healed only those who have enough faith.

Do any of you belive this is true or not?

And also how do faith healings work?

Sounds like your friend is following the heretical "Word of Faith" movement.

There are no "faith healers" today. First of all, the name alone implies that they're doing the healing and they're not.

Second, the miraculous healing that we see in the Bible was done only as a way to confirm God's word, not as a normative practice.

Third, to tell someone that they're not healed because it's their fault for not having enough faith is cruel and is nothing more than a way to manipulate people.

Somehow, I get the impression that if they just gave enough money to these con men, their "faith" would be just fine.

If you really want to shut your friend up, ask him why none of these "healings" are ever independently verified.

[Elijah2]

I am very confused about healings. I know that in the bible it shows how jesus healed the sick. The thing that i am confused about though are fath healings in church. I was speaking to a friend and he told me about a special church service that is for those who are sick and want to get healed instantly but the thing that disturbed me is that he said not evrybody gets healed only those who have enough faith.

Do any of you belive this is true or not?

And also how do faith healings work?
Beware of the faith healing stuff. It all becomes condemning and judgemental.

How much faith you have in your heart is about as much faith that you have at that given time.

Mate, if you believe in our Lord Jesus Christ, deep down within your heart, mind, and soul. Then you have faith.'

Beware of all this healing stuff as well. Some of the healings are counterfeit, and you need to check these so-called healed people out later on.

Miracles happen, and one day, you will have your miracle.

Healing comes from faith, that is, when you stop telling yourself that you are sick all the time.

It's not easy, because there is always someone saying to you, "How you going mate?" So like a true-blue Christian you either begin to tell them your aches and pains, or you tell a "white lie" that you are okay.

I've found out one thing, if you keep on talking about how sick you are then you will be sick.

HIS WORD heals, and our Lord Jesus Christ is our deliverer, healer, and counsellor. Not someone who runs a Faith Healing Clinic at a church.

[SamanthaKing]

I must be so dumb, but after reading the comments I get it now where you are all coming from. You see I read the op and thought, whats wrong with healing everyone deserves healings, God heals whoever asks for it, that is what the bible tells, but then I read it properly.

In my opinion if they are saying come and be healed by this man then yes that's not right, but sometimes churches hold special nights where they ask God specifically for healing. Our church has done this, where a church service maybe focusing on teaching, they have nights where they will tell the congregation if you need healing, then come along on this night, because we are opening it up for God to heal. Not the preacher but God to heal. And that is the key. But also I don't think we should get into a mind set that suggests that the only time we can be healed is on a special night. God will heal whenever we ask.

[JKid]

thanks alot for your posts people they have helped me out

[WarEagle]

Our church has done this, where a church service maybe focusing on teaching, they have nights where they will tell the congregation if you need healing, then come along on this night, because we are opening it up for God to heal.

So, what happens if you invite someone, telling them that they'll be healed on that night and it isn't God's will that they be healed?

God will heal whenever we ask.

How about all of the people who ask for healing and are not healed? Do they just not as much faith as you?

[Elijah2]

I must be so dumb, but after reading the comments I get it now where you are all coming from. You see I read the op and thought, whats wrong with healing everyone deserves healings, God heals whoever asks for it, that is what the bible tells, but then I read it properly.

In my opinion if they are saying come and be healed by this man then yes that's not right, but sometimes churches hold special nights where they ask God specifically for healing. Our church has done this, where a church service maybe focusing on teaching, they have nights where they will tell the congregation if you need healing, then come along on this night, because we are opening it up for God to heal. Not the preacher but God to heal. And that is the key. But also I don't think we should get into a mind set that suggests that the only time we can be healed is on a special night. God will heal whenever we ask.
Yep, be aware of Special Discount nights at churches.

[SamanthaKing]

So, what happens if you invite someone, telling them that they'll be healed on that night and it isn't God's will that they be healed?



How about all of the people who ask for healing and are not healed? Do they just not as much faith as you?
no no we don't tell them that they will be healed on that night, we tell them that, that is what we specifically are praying for, and if you want prayer for a healing then come along. We also explain to them that not always will God heal straight away, but that healing is available, and we are happy to pray for them. But they do understand that there may be times that they aren't healed, this isn't because they don't have enough faith or whatever, it's just the way God works, because everything is done in His time.

But we open up the prayer nights for healing because often during a church service there isn't time to pray for everyone individually, so we figure if open one night to have prayer for that, then it gives the leaders a chance to pray for everyone who wants it specifically.

[WarEagle]

no no we don't tell them that they will be healed on that night, we tell them that, that is what we specifically are praying for, and if you want prayer for a healing then come along. We also explain to them that not always will God heal straight away, but that healing is available, and we are happy to pray for them. But they do understand that there may be times that they aren't healed, this isn't because they don't have enough faith or whatever, it's just the way God works, because everything is done in His time.

But we open up the prayer nights for healing because often during a church service there isn't time to pray for everyone individually, so we figure if open one night to have prayer for that, then it gives the leaders a chance to pray for everyone who wants it specifically.
It certainly sounds like you're leaving people with the expectation that they will be healed.

But, again, what do you do when you tell them that healing is "available", but it is not God's will that they be healed?

[SamanthaKing]

You don't believe that healing is available? The bible tells us it is available, the bible says "by his stripes we are healed" it is availabel to us, if we don't preach this and believe this then are we being truly Christian? Aren't we leaving a bit out? We can't pick and choose what parts of Christianity is for us and what isn't. It's all or nothing, and yeah sometimes we don't get healed when or how we want. I know this for a fact. I have a son who was born with severely deformed feet and we have been praying for healing since he was 3 months old, he has face 9 operations in his life he is 8 now. And is coming up for ten and eleven, which will see him in a wheel chair for 3 months. But still I don't give up, not because I think if I just have enough faith or whatever, I know that God can heal him, but I also recognise that there are times that he wont, I don't claim to understand the reasons' behind that, becuase I don't understand God, he is just too big and complexed to understand.

But only a matter of weeks ago, we went to a healing night, and we prayed for him, and I said God if this is your will for him to be healed then please heal him, because the bible tells us that we only need the faith of a mustard seed to say to a bush to stand up and walk, so if we only need that tiny amount of faith, it's not a matter of not having enough faith, we gain that much faith when we believe in God and trust God with our lives. But although Samuel my son wasn't healed completely, his feet became straighter and he gained movement in his once fused ankles. He suddenly could move his feet without moving his whole leg. This to me is a miracle and a healing, no it's not as much as I want, i want more, I want him completely healed, but I am grateful for what I got, because I saw the amazement in his face, and I saw the joy that he got from being able to just do that little bit more than what he had been able to before.

And I know there are times that people don't even get this. But the point is that healing is in the bible, it is claimed that it is for now as well as in the day of Jesus, and whether we have special nights or not, it is available to us. But what you have to hear is, is it God's will. Remember the story of Lazarus, Jesus knew he was sick Mary and Martha came to him saying that their brother was sick and needed Jesus to come and heal him, but he allowed Lazarus to die, and then he went and raised him from the dead. Not everyone gets this no, as I know a lot of great Christian people that have died, but sometimes that are that great of a Christian person with such a heart for God, that God just wants them that bit nearer by his side.

[WarEagle]

You don't believe that healing is available? The bible tells us it is available, the bible says "by his stripes we are healed" it is availabel to us, if we don't preach this and believe this then are we being truly Christian?

The question is, "healed" of what? If you read the previous couple of verses, it tells us that it's referring to a "healing" of our transgressions and iniquities, not physical illness.

I have a son who was born with severely deformed feet and we have been praying for healing since he was 3 months old, he has face 9 operations in his life he is 8 now.

But if what you're saying is true, then he'll be healed completely at the moment he's born again.

But the point is that healing is in the bible, it is claimed that it is for now as well as in the day of Jesus, and whether we have special nights or not, it is available to us.

If you're going to claim that it's in the Bible, please feel free to show us where.

But what you have to hear is, is it God's will.

If you're going to make the claim that healing is automatic by virtue of Christ's atonement, then you must also believe that it is always God's will. That isn't supported by scripture.

I know a lot of great Christian people that have died, but sometimes that are that great of a Christian person with such a heart for God, that God just wants them that bit nearer by his side.

And how did you come to this conclusion?

[SamanthaKing]

Look this is just my personal belief, because I have seen healing for myself, and I believe that you can't claim to be a Christian then not believe God heals people. Or do you believe that God only healed people back in the day of the bible? I'm not looking for an argument or debate I simply stated what I believed, and i'm not sure why you have taken to argue every point I make for what I believe. I haven't tried to convince you, I've simply stated what I believe, and I find it a little offensive that you are allowed to have your beliefs yet you feel you have the right to argue mine, in a Christian forum at that. I stated at the very beginning that my church holds night that are open for people that want prayer for healing, just like they might have nights where people bring those that don't know Jesus to meet him for the first time, or baptism nights, are these wrong too? It is a night held for a specific bit of Christianity if you don't agree with it, don't go to them, but don't sit and tell someone what they believe is wrong, when we see physical healings throughout the bible, and i have seen it with my own eyes. I have seen my son (the same one) who was also born with cataracts, and they were healed, I myself was healed of gall stones, I have seen people stand up out of wheelchairs, that i have known for a long time, these haven't been on healing nights, they have been just with people praying for them individually. I know that there is healing still. This is my belief and I'm not asking you to believe, but what I'm asking is that you accept my belief and don't argue with everything I write, it's really quite rude and unfair.

[WarEagle]

Look this is just my personal belief, because I have seen healing for myself, and I believe that you can't claim to be a Christian then not believe God heals people.

"My personal belief"..."I believe"...Are we to go by your belief, or by God's word?

Or do you believe that God only healed people back in the day of the bible?

No, I believe that God can heal anyone at any time if He wants to. The point is that it isn't His will for everyone to be healed.

I'm not looking for an argument or debate I simply stated what I believed, and i'm not sure why you have taken to argue every point I make for what I believe.

Because by implying that it is God's will for these people to be healed when they come to your "healing services" is cruel and Unbiblical and somebody needs to point that out. In this case, I guess it's got to be me.

I haven't tried to convince you, I've simply stated what I believe, and I find it a little offensive that you are allowed to have your beliefs yet you feel you have the right to argue mine, in a Christian forum at that.

But if what you're saying is Unbiblical, then Christians have a duty to argue against it.

I stated at the very beginning that my church holds night that are open for people that want prayer for healing, just like they might have nights where people bring those that don't know Jesus to meet him for the first time, or baptism nights, are these wrong too?

Baptism nights, no. The idea of bringing the unsaved into the church so that they might "meet Jesus" is Unbiblical. That isn't the role of the church and if you look at the Biblical example, evangelism is always done outisde the church.

It is a night held for a specific bit of Christianity if you don't agree with it, don't go to them, but don't sit and tell someone what they believe is wrong, when we see physical healings throughout the bible, and i have seen it with my own eyes.

I have seen my son (the same one) who was also born with cataracts, and they were healed, I myself was healed of gall stones, I have seen people stand up out of wheelchairs, that i have known for a long time, these haven't been on healing nights, they have been just with people praying for them individually.

Is your authority God's word or anecdotal evidence and subjective experience?

I know that there is healing still.

So do I. I also know that the Bible tells us that not everyone is healed and that there's nothing in scripture about healing being automatic as a result of Christ's atonement.

This is my belief and I'm not asking you to believe, but what I'm asking is that you accept my belief and don't argue with everything I write, it's really quite rude and unfair.

I accept that you believe it but, if it's Unbiblical, then I would be disobedient to God if I didn't speak up.

[heymikey80]

You don't believe that healing is available? The bible tells us it is available, the bible says "by his stripes we are healed" it is availabel to us, if we don't preach this and believe this then are we being truly Christian? Aren't we leaving a bit out? We can't pick and choose what parts of Christianity is for us and what isn't. It's all or nothing, and yeah sometimes we don't get healed when or how we want.
Thanks. There are also references to gifts of healings in Scripture and even at the time of the Church not everyone was healed and physically fit.

There is a gap between scientific necessity, of cause and effect, and the terms of God's words. In Christ's Church everything is founded on unmerited favor, not on "come to me and I'll give you something." Favor without merit means the favor may be given, or it may be withheld. So people may be healed; they may not. God is not obligated in these cases.

But sometimes He wants to.

[jazzypooh]

I am very confused about healings. I know that in the bible it shows how jesus healed the sick. The thing that i am confused about though are fath healings in church. I was speaking to a friend and he told me about a special church service that is for those who are sick and want to get healed instantly but the thing that disturbed me is that he said not evrybody gets healed only those who have enough faith.

Do any of you belive this is true or not?

And also how do faith healings work?

some churches do have special services that they may dedicate to praying for the healing of the sick and so on.

if you read in your Bible, every instance where Jesus healed someone faith played a major part in it. Jesus would say things like "Your faith has made you whole." in other words, your level of faith does play a role in whether or not God heals you. because God will do no more for you than your faith will allow Him to... and in my view it's only right. i mean, why should He if you don't even believe that He can do it?

but then there are some instances where the person may not be healed and it has nothing to do with their level of faith, but it has everything to do with God's sovereignty. sometimes God may give a person a "thorn in their flesh." this is meant to keep them humble in their service to the Lord. now this isn't always the case. and to be honest, because it's an individual type of thing, you're going to get a lot of different views, answers, opinions, and reasons why some people may or may not get healed. but the end result of it is that it is God's sovereign decision. but in His Word He does say that He desires to heal us, and that sickness is of the devil. He said that He is the Lord who heals us. so personally, i believe if you want it, reach up and grab it. it is available. His Word says that by His stripes we are healed.

Be blessed!

[jazzypooh]

"My personal belief"..."I believe"...Are we to go by your belief, or by God's word?



No, I believe that God can heal anyone at any time if He wants to. The point is that it isn't His will for everyone to be healed.



Because by implying that it is God's will for these people to be healed when they come to your "healing services" is cruel and Unbiblical and somebody needs to point that out. In this case, I guess it's got to be me.



But if what you're saying is Unbiblical, then Christians have a duty to argue against it.



Baptism nights, no. The idea of bringing the unsaved into the church so that they might "meet Jesus" is Unbiblical. That isn't the role of the church and if you look at the Biblical example, evangelism is always done outisde the church.



Is your authority God's word or anecdotal evidence and subjective experience?



So do I. I also know that the Bible tells us that not everyone is healed and that there's nothing in scripture about healing being automatic as a result of Christ's atonement.



I accept that you believe it but, if it's Unbiblical, then I would be disobedient to God if I didn't speak up.
you know it is so amazing how people can believe the miracle of salvation, but not the miracle of healing...

if you question whether or not God heals, do you also question whether or not He saves? i mean, a lot of people don't consider salvation to be "logical". yeah, we read it in scripture, but in reality it doesn't makes sense in most people's minds. that's why most people reject Christ. it doesn't make sense to them how someone can be on their way to heaven or hell when they've never been to either place. have any of us ever seen God? then how do we know that He exists?

it is ALL by faith.

i can tell from your posts that you believe that all of the spiritual gifts died already. and were only for the 1st century church. why would God give such gifts to establish the church, but not give those gifts to maintain the church? i mean, we still face those same kinds of doubt from people today. the same doubt that people had back then is the same doubt that people have now. so if God gave them spiritual gifts as a way to confirm His Word then, then why not now when we still face this same type of doubt in the world today?

i know a lot of people that believe what you believe. but personally i believe that the only thing that can convince a person is if they actually touch the supernatural. so i will not go back and forth with you about this. that is what convinced me. when you are touched by something that your doctrines do not explain, than you can no longer negate the fact of its existence. that's what happened to me. i grew up in a Baptist church and was taught the same things you believe. no women preachers, no spiritual gifts, nothing of the sort. until one day, God revealed His TRUE self to me.

why don't you just honestly open your heart up to the things of God, and ask Him to reveal Himself to you and to show you whether or not these things are real or not instead of fighting against those who believe. just open your heart up to God about this. forget everything that you have learned and just ask God to teach you and show you whether or not this is real. you have nothing to lose by doing so... did God tell you that He doesn't heal? put aside everything that you have learned from man, and honestly open your heart up to God and seek HIM for the truth in this matter.

if you prayed for healing and God didn't heal you or someone close to you, don't be bitter about it. keep seeking Him about it until He does something for you. the tone of your posts sound so bitter...

i will keep you in my prayers

God bless you.

[jazzypooh]

let me also add that just because a few have abused the things of God and have made a mockery of the faith does not mean that spiritual gifts no longer exist. that is not good enough to substantiate anyone's claim that spiritual gifts are no longer in existence. you will have scam artists in every arena of life, but you shouldn't let them make the whole look back. just because you run into a few hypocrites in the church, does that mean that everybody there is a hypocrite? of course not. yeah, there are some who are imposters in the House of God, but didn't God tell us about such men in His Word? so just because there are a few who are phonies, doesn't mean all of them are. that's why you have to ask God to show you this and not man. don't trust in flesh. trust in His Spirit to lead and guide you into all truth.

[WarEagle]

you know it is so amazing how people can believe the miracle of salvation, but not the miracle of healing...

If you had read my posts, then you would have seen that I told her several times that I believe very much that God still heals. What I said is that it is not always God's will to heal someone and that there's nothing in the Bible to indicate that healing is guaranteed in the atonement.

So far, neither one of you has presented any Biblical evidence to show that it is.

if you question whether or not God heals, do you also question whether or not He saves?

I don't question that God heals. I question the idea that God is obligated to Heal.

i can tell from your posts that you believe that all of the spiritual gifts died already.

And you would be wrong.

why would God give such gifts to establish the church, but not give those gifts to maintain the church?

Because we have His word. They did not.

i know a lot of people that believe what you believe. but personally i believe that the only thing that can convince a person is if they actually touch the supernatural.

Why is it that anytime someone disagrees about something like this, there's always going to be some arrogant person who takes the lazy way of "well obviously you haven't 'touched the supernatural'" (ie. "I'm better than you are"), rather than trying to make a case from scripture?

that is what convinced me. when you are touched by something that your doctrines do not explain, than you can no longer negate the fact of its existence.

And you're welcome to base your doctrine or esoteric, subjective experiences if you like. I think I'll stick with God's word.

was taught the same things you believe. no women preachers, no spiritual gifts, nothing of the sort.

Please stop misrepresenting my views. Christ is not honored by that.

until one day, God revealed His TRUE self to me.

And I believed much the same way you do until one day, I started to get serious about studying God's word.

why don't you just honestly open your heart up to the things of God, and ask Him to reveal Himself to you and to show you whether or not these things are real or not instead of fighting against those who believe.

My heart is open and God has already given us His word, which already reveals these things to us.

It's awfully arrogant and prideful of you to assume that my heart isn't open or that I've never prayerfully considered these things or studies God's word to see what He says about it just because I disagree with you.

did God tell you that He doesn't heal?

Again, please stop lying about what I believe. I've already said several times in this thread that God does heal, so for you to say that I believe that He doesn't is bearing false witness.

put aside everything that you have learned from man

Everything I've said has come from scripture, not from man.

[jazzypooh]

I pray that God blesses you!

have a nice day!

[WarEagle]

I pray that God blesses you!

have a nice day!
And I pray that you'll stop misrepresenting what others believe and that you'll learn to take the authority of God's word over your own esoteric and subjective experiences.

[Timuchin]

The subject of God healing on behalf of our prayers is a very involved subject.
1. If some prayer occurs from some prayer, more prayer brings more results. Remember, Jesus didn't heal the man born blind the first time; He had to pray a second time to finish the job. This is called "soaking prayer." Francis MacNutt in his book "Healing" wrote of an event where his visiting prayer team prayed for a withered leg for eight hours as the fibia and tibula gradually untwisted and lengthened six inches. (I spoke with members of that team to verify.)
2. 1 Cor 12:9 refers to gifts of healings in the Greek. This means we may have the gift of healing of arthritis and cancer but not for influenza and colds. That's my case. I see 80% recovery in arthritis cases, 50% recovery in cancer cases, 0% recovery in colds and 0% recovery for influenza cases. Keep asking, keep seeking, keep knocking.
3. sometimes it is more amenable to deliverance than prayer. Especially if it is a witchcraft curse.
4. There can be occult resistance to healing. There is a need for confession, renunciation and absolution of all the occult things you've been involved in and can remember for healing to occur. Unfortunately, we can also get jammed up by the occult practices of our ancestors.

For more information, see: http://www.orderofsaintpatrick.org/teachings/answer-prayer.htm

[jazzypooh]

thanks for the info!

i never looked at it like that. as far as being gifted to heal certain diseases. i just figured if someone had the gift of healing then that's what they had. lol

but i have noticed in different ministries where if someone may have been delivered from a specific thing, then that's usually where God calls them to minister in the Body of Christ. so i suppose that can relate to gifts as well.

God bless you!