Debate Pentecostal Beliefs

[Godzman]

I should say that I am Assembly of God, so of course not. This bothers me, because I've heard doctrines of most mainstream churches in the past and in the present accuse pentecostals of being from the devile, just because we believe in the power of the Holy Ghost.

Please expound your opnion

[Alessandro]

Whoever says Pentecostals are form the devil is sadly mistaken.

[Lotar]

I think somebody needs to read the rules ;)

[Godzman]

I think somebody needs to read the rules ;)


this is debates right, why can't we debate, I'm pentecostal anyway

[Lotar]

Go read the rules, generally you should do so before posting.

[JeffreyLloyd]

I should say that I am Assembly of God, so of course not. This bothers me, because I've heard doctrines of most mainstream churches in the past and in the present accuse pentecostals of being from the devile, just because we believe in the power of the Holy Ghost.

Please expound your opnion

Did someone here at CF say this?

Jeff

[Godzman]

Did someone here at CF say this?

Jeff


no I am just saying that some churches teach this.

What I should say is does anyone feel pentecostal teachings are unbiblical

[JeffreyLloyd]

no I am just saying that some churches teach this.

What I should say is does anyone feel pentecostal teachings are unbiblical

List pentecostal teachings and we'll tell ya.

[Lotar]

What I should say is does anyone feel pentecostal teachings are unbiblical

Yes. :D

[Godzman]

the 16 Fundamental truths of the Assemblies of God

http://ag.org/top/beliefs/truths.cfm

[Philip]

this is debates right, why can't we debate, I'm pentecostal anyway

Formal must be arranged according to the Rules (http://christianforum.com/a183). You may use this thread to set up a debate. No debating is to occur in this thread.

[aggie03]

Which of the 16 fundamental truths would you like to debate? ...some of them are a debate within themselves.

[JEREMY O'ROURKE]

Pentecostal teachings are very accurate and Biblical. Every single thing we believe can be backed up by scripture.

[Godzman]

Lets go down the list.

1. The Scriptures Inspired
The Scriptures, both the Old and New Testaments, are verbally inspired of God and are the revelation of God to man, the infallible, authoritative rule of faith and conduct.

2 Timothy 3:15-17
1 Thessalonians 2:13
2 Peter 1:21


I adhere that the scripture is inspired by God, what do you think.

[doctorboy]

You don't debate here - this is merely a place to establish the rules and outline what is going to be debated. There is a separate forum for the debates themselves. I believe that Aggie03 wanted to know which of the 16 fundamental truths you would like to enter into a debate on...I could be wrong...but that's how I understood his question

[aggie03]

Yes - I would like to know which of the 16 fundamental truth you would like to debate. I might agree with some of them if they are outlined in the Scriptures.

I would also like to see the rules with which we are going to debate.

[aggie03]

Without looking too far in depth at the 16 points, I would be willing to debate on one of the following of the 16 fundamental beliefs:

6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14

let me know if you're interested.

[Godzman]

Without looking too far in depth at the 16 points, I would be willing to debate on one of the following of the 16 fundamental beliefs:

6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14

let me know if you're interested.
well do all those you listed, we will start with 6

[SoliDeoGloria]

It is surprising to note that Pentecostalism as a movement is relatively young (note that it is distinguished from its sister movement, Charismatism - a neo-Pentecostalism which emphasized the Gifts of the Spirit)and as a doctrinal school of thought, even younger. Arising out of the Holiness movement, one watershed event in its turbulent history would be the Asuza Street revival in 1906, led by William Seymour. During the revival, many spoke in tongues for the first time, in the history of modern Christendom. It is remarkable to realize that historically, in the 1900 years of Christianity, there hasn't been much doctrinal teaching about the gift of tongues, the regulation of its practise, etc, within the Church (apart from the NT). Sporadic outbreaks of tongues are rare, and most of them occur in heretical groups (consensus opinion) such as the Montanists and the Irvingites; as well as non-Christian religions.

The fundamental theological premise in Pentecostalism is that of its pivotal doctrine - The Baptism of the Spirit. Its assertion that the Spirit Baptism is a separate event from Salvation, and that its initial evidence is that of tongues, was an innovative doctrine when it was first presented. From the flowering of the Baptism, comes an empowerment for ministry, and an explosive outreach via the giftings of the Spirit. The realm of the mystical and the supernatural was introduced with the advent of this movement.

Nathaniel Van Cleave and Guy Duffield were one of Pentecostalism's foremost theologians, culminating in their magnum opus, The Foundations of Pentecostal Theology.

There are many uniquely Pentecostal/Charismatic beliefs and practises, such as:

1) The Baptism of the Spirit, with evidence of tongues

2) The non-cessationist view of the supernatural gifts of the Spirit

3) Healing in the atonement (our rights as Christians to be saved and healed of sicknesses...sicknesses are from the devil)

4) Public use of tongues

5) Slaining in the Spirit (being floored to the ground via a minister laying on of hands)

6) Holy Laughter (as in the Toronto Blessing)

7) Prosperity teaching (it is God's will that we become rich)

8) Tithing would result in material benefits, guaranteed!

9) An extreme understanding of Faith (in the Word-Faith movement, a la Benny Hinn, Kenneth Hagin, Rod Parsley, Fred Price, etc)

The latter beliefs and practises are predominantly Charismatic, they are not Pentecostal beliefs.

These are my few cents' worth of listing down a brief note of Pentecostal beliefs and history.

[RaptureTicketHolder]

well do all those you listed, we will start with 6
In starting with #6, if I may (I believe I understand the rules) I will post in the debating section these details:

WE BELIEVE...and practice two ordinances—(1) Water Baptism by Immersion (http://ag.org/top/beliefs/truths.cfm#6)after repenting of one's sins and receiving Christ's gift of salvation, and (2) Holy Communion (http://ag.org/top/beliefs/truths.cfm#6) (the Lord's Supper) as a symbolic remembrance of Christ's suffering and death for our salvation.

I am interested to debate what pentecostals view as a baptismal right and who should perform it.

I had a terrible experience with a pentecostal preacher several years ago that still bugs me. I will share that in the debate thread.

[PetraFan007]

they look fine to me?

[J.A.I]

As a disclaimer, AOG does not represent Pentecostals as a whole.

I believe in the acts of Pentecost - filling of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, etc. These are listed in Acts 2.

Anyone who comes to the conclusion that Pentecostals are of Satan should examine the Word of God and seek God so that they will not be misled.

Not debating.. :) Just stating information and facts and advice.

Tata!

[aggie03]

Is anyone still interested in debating this topic? I will be more than glad to discuss with anyone. If you want to debate, post in here or PM me :)

[Templedweller]

The 16 Fundamental Truths of the Assembly of God are not THE all inclusive list of beliefs to which all Pentecostal groups append themselves.

[aggie03]

The 16 Fundamental Truths of the Assembly of God are not THE all inclusive list of beliefs to which all Pentecostal groups append themselves.

Are you interested in discussing them, along with a list of things you'd like to append?

[ahmunmun]

As a Pentecostal/Charismatic myself, I get very insulted when other Christians label us as "cults" or "Satanic." Some conservative Christians label us as those. Fortunately, nobody from CF did that. Thank goodness for the rules!

[Templedweller]

I myself am Pentecostal/Charasmatic/Nondennminational/Fellowship church attender...just not Assembly of God persay...And I do understand the 16 Fundamental Truths.

My point for posting is that there are others that are Pentecostal who do not swallow the 16 Fundamental Truths as a cure all pill.....That's all...Im not here to debate, as we are both Pentecostal Believers aggie03 :)

Sincerely,
Templedweller:)

[aggie03]

Anyone who comes to the conclusion that Pentecostals are of Satan should examine the Word of God and seek God so that they will not be misled.

I am not a Pentecostal, but I have never thought that they were from Satan. Did someone say that on here?

If someone did say something like that, then it makes having a discussion even more necessary. Surely those who are would want to engage in the discussion to at least cover this much.

Is there anyone who wishes to discuss this with me? You may feel free to add other beliefs beside the 16 FTofAOG, though I would like to focus on those.

[Mathetes the kerux]

I wish I would have noticed this awhile ago.

First,
this sub-forum is for more than just invites and rule setting . . . it is also for commentary . . . hence the title.

Second,
as far a debating . . . I would be more than glad to debate the two primary doctrines common to 99.9 % of Pentecostals.

1. Spirit Baptism as subsequent from (logically if not chronologically) salvation.
2. The initial physical evidence of said baptism being speaking in tongues . . . also known as the doctrine of Initial Evidence.

As far as a formal show-down . . . maybe. But a healthy interaction with a free give and take with no limits . . . ABSOLUTELY . . . aggie03 would you care to engage?

[dkbwarrior]

I wish I would have noticed this awhile ago.

First,
this sub-forum is for more than just invites and rule setting . . . it is also for commentary . . . hence the title.

Second,
as far a debating . . . I would be more than glad to debate the two primary doctrines common to 99.9 % of Pentecostals.

1. Spirit Baptism as subsequent from (logically if not chronologically) salvation.
2. The initial physical evidence of said baptism being speaking in tongues . . . also known as the doctrine of Initial Evidence.

As far as a formal show-down . . . maybe. But a healthy interaction with a free give and take with no limits . . . ABSOLUTELY . . . aggie03 would you care to engage?

I agree with this. A free for all over 16 different points of doctrine would be way too much material to handle. I do have a wife and two kids and a job and etc. etc. etc.

However, these two points would be a good start. I would happily debate the two points delineated above.