If I sin am I no longer saved

[TH3D3MONSL8Y3R]

This is something that I am really struggling with as of late. I know that sin is sin no matter what. I also know that sin seperates us from God, and if this is the case then why do we repent for our sin and not ask to be saved everytime we sin. I mean if I lie, and go on through the day, am I no longer saved? Or if I steal and ask God to forgive me for stealing am I forgiven for stealing, but no longer saved because I sinned. Also, if a sinner ( a person that has not confessed, and believed in the birth, death and resurrection) where to ask for forgiveness, but not ask for redemption, wouldn't we both be in the same boat? I hope this isn't confusing, and if so imagine how I feel. I want to make sure heaven is my final resting place so I want to get this right. It kind of makes a person not want to do anything at all for fear of messing up and then ending up in hell............So please let me know what you think.

[Zecryphon]

This is something that I am really struggling with as of late. I know that sin is sin no matter what. I also know that sin seperates us from God, and if this is the case then why do we repent for our sin and not ask to be saved everytime we sin. I mean if I lie, and go on through the day, am I no longer saved? Or if I steal and ask God to forgive me for stealing am I forgiven for stealing, but no longer saved because I sinned. Also, if a sinner ( a person that has not confessed, and believed in the birth, death and resurrection) where to ask for forgiveness, but not ask for redemption, wouldn't we both be in the same boat? I hope this isn't confusing, and if so imagine how I feel. I want to make sure heaven is my final resting place so I want to get this right. It kind of makes a person not want to do anything at all for fear of messing up and then ending up in hell............So please let me know what you think.
Here's a good test to see if you are truly saved. When you sin, how do you feel? Do you feel just awful to the depths of your very being or do you feel "oh well, I'll have to really try not to do that anymore"? The truly saved person will feel like crap until they are driven to their knees or to their face in repentance. Now repentance isn't just asking God to forgive you when you confess your sins to Him. It's also turning from the sin you've committed. If you commit the same sins over and over again, are you truly sorry? You are saved, nothing you do can remove your salvation. I know Lutherans may believe something different on this, but I have not studied our position on this well enough to agree or disagree at this point.

[Squnk]

Christ died for all of the sins of every person. Every believer still struggles with sin and the old nature. When a person accepts Jesus Christ as savior and payment for those sins, that person receives the Holy Spirit as a personal guide (the above post would fit right here perfectly). In God's eyes, your sin was buried with Christ, and the spiritual death you should have was overcome by Christ's resurrection. God has attributed Jesus' holiness and perfection to every believer. God looks down and sees all believers as His children.

When you sin, do you stop believing in God, and that Jesus died as the payment for your sins? The requirement for salvation solely to understand that God sent His son, Jesus, to die to provide the only way to salvation. If we had to stop sinning, it would mean we could earn or work towards our salvation, which is impossible.

[Kelly]

I mean if I lie, and go on through the day, am I no longer saved?



Romans 7
Struggling with Sin


14 So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin. 15 I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. 16 But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. 17 So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

18 And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=7&version=51#fen-NLT-28070d)] I want to do what is right, but I can’t. 19 I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. 20 But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it. 21 I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong. 22 I love God’s law with all my heart. 23 But there is another power[e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=7&version=51#fen-NLT-28075e)] within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. 24 Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death? 25 Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.


:hug:

[Zecryphon]

Christ died for all of the sins of every person. Every believer still struggles with sin and the old nature. When a person accepts Jesus Christ as savior and payment for those sins, that person receives the Holy Spirit as a personal guide (the above post would fit right here perfectly). In God's eyes, your sin was buried with Christ, and the spiritual death you should have was overcome by Christ's resurrection. God has attributed Jesus' holiness and perfection to every believer. God looks down and sees all believers as His children.

When you sin, do you stop believing in God, and that Jesus died as the payment for your sins? The requirement for salvation solely to understand that God sent His son, Jesus, to die to provide the only way to salvation. If we had to stop sinning, it would mean we could earn or work towards our salvation, which is impossible.
"The requirement for salvation solely to understand that God sent His son, Jesus, to die to provide the only way to salvation."

This is the sole requirement for salvation? Then everyone would be saved wouldn't they? Even the non-believer understands that God sent Jesus to die for the sins of the world, as that's one of the things Christianity teaches. Does this mean that the unbeliever is saved, simply because they believe this is what Christianity teaches? What about repentance and faith?

[TH3D3MONSL8Y3R]

Thanks for everything that has been said I am starting to feel better. I do feel repentive when I do wrong. My parents are pastors and it seems that the sins I commit are under microscope. I am expected to be perfect and I keep messing up and it seems like I mess up worse. I am not worried about pleasing others so much as pleasing God.

[DeanM]

"The requirement for salvation solely to understand that God sent His son, Jesus, to die to provide the only way to salvation."

This is the sole requirement for salvation? Then everyone would be saved wouldn't they? Even the non-believer understands that God sent Jesus to die for the sins of the world, as that's one of the things Christianity teaches. Does this mean that the unbeliever is saved, simply because they believe this is what Christianity teaches? What about repentance and faith?
So youre saying that unbelievers are saved as long as they believe? I'm lost.

[Squnk]

"The requirement for salvation solely to understand that God sent His son, Jesus, to die to provide the only way to salvation."

This is the sole requirement for salvation? Then everyone would be saved wouldn't they? Even the non-believer understands that God sent Jesus to die for the sins of the world, as that's one of the things Christianity teaches. Does this mean that the unbeliever is saved, simply because they believe this is what Christianity teaches? What about repentance and faith?
Ack, thank you for pointing this out. In my editing I must have lost part of my sentance. Thank you for the correction.

[Giver]

Scripture tells us that Christians who know God are dead to sin. Now I don’t know of any denominational church that does teach that truth, the Catholic Church included. Now to say that a church is the Church of God it should teach the truth.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people? “

Notice Paul was talking to Christians, but said they were still unspiritual. That, he said, was because of their sinning. So obviously they were not mature Christians. Now James was also talking to Christians who were not mature. Now notice in the following Scripture that the Christians who were being addressed were spiritually matures Christians.

By the way yes there are sins that don’t lead to death, they are human faults that are not serious offenses and are not deliberate or thought out. John says that all sins don’t lead to death. Everyone needs to understand that when a person is lead by the Holy Spirit they will not deliberately commit a sin, and if he or she is being led by the Holy Spirit, and deliberately commits a sin, there is no redemption for that person.

(1 John 1:8-10) “If we say we have no sin in us, we are deceiving ourselves and refusing to admit the truth; but if we acknowledge our sins, then God who is faithful and just will forgive our sins and purify us from everything that is wrong. To say that we have never sinned is to call God a liar and to show that his word is not in us.”


(1 John 3: 3 - 9) “Surely everyone who entertains this hope must purify himself, must try to be as pure as Christ. Any one who sins at all breaks the law, because to sin is to break the law. Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him. My children do not let anyone lead you astray; to live a holy life is to be holy just as He is holy; to lead a sinful life is to belong to the Devil, since the Devil was a sinner from the beginning. It was to undo all that the Devil has done that the Son of God appeared. No one who has been begotten by God sins: because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”


(1 John 5: 16) “If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the simmer - not those who commit a deadly sin; for there is a sin that is death, and I will not say that you must pray about that. Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly. So then, brothers, there is no necessity for us to obey our unspiritual selves or to live unspiritual lives. If you do live in that way, you are doomed to die; but if by the Spirit you put an end to the misdeeds of the body you will live.”

What John said is we all have sinned. He tells us that not all sin leads to death. After he explains all that once he didn’t have to keep on explaining. So when he says: (1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

My wife had a hard time with the teaching that Christians are dead to sin, because she is a scrupulous person and sees any human failure as sin. John said all wrongdoing is sin but all sin doesn’t lead to death.

If through some human weakness I become angry and strike out at someone without thinking, that would be a sin, but not a sin, which was willfully, committed.

(2 Peter 2:20-22)”and anyone who has escaped the pollution of the world once by coming to know the Lord and savior Jesus Christ, and who then allows himself to be entangled by it a second time and mastered, will end up in a worse state than he began in.”

(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”


(Romans 6: 10 - 11) “When He died, He died, once for all, to sin, so His life now is life with God; and in that way, you too must consider yourselves to be dead to sin but alive for God in Jesus Christ.”


(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”

(Romans 8: 5) “The unspiritual are interested only in what is unspiritual, but the spiritual are interested in spiritual things. It is death to limit oneself to what is unspiritual, life and peace can only come with concern for the spiritual.”


We know that anyone who has been begotten by God does not sin, because the begotten Son of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.” So then, brothers, there is no necessity for us to obey our unspiritual selves or to live unspiritual lives. If you do live in that way, you are doomed to die; but if by the Spirit you put an end to the misdeeds of the body you will live.”

Galatians 5:16
“Let me put it like this if you are guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence....”.


(Romans 6: 10 - 11) “When He died, He died, once for all, to sin, so His life now is life with God; and in that way, you too must consider yourselves to be dead to sin but alive for God in Jesus Christ.”

(Romans 8:1- 4) “ The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin. He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”


(Romans 8: 9 - 13) “Your interest, however are not in the unspiritual, but in the spiritual, since the Spirit of God has made His home in you. In fact, unless you possessed the Spirit of Christ you would not belong to Him. Though your body may be dead it is because of sin, but if Christ is in you then your spirit is life itself because you have been justified; and if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, then He who raised Jesus from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit living in you.”


(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”


(1 John 5: 16) “If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the simmer - not those who commit a deadly sin; for there is a sin that is death, and I will not say that you must pray about that. Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly. We know that anyone who has been begotten by God does not sin, because the begotten Son of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.” So then, brothers, there is no necessity for us to obey our unspiritual selves or to live unspiritual lives. If you do live in that way, you are doomed to die; but if by the Spirit you put an end to the misdeeds of the body you will live.”



(Acts 5:1-11) The Fraud of Ananias and Sapphira: Peter said they were lying to the Holy Spirit so I would say they were filled with the Holy Spirit, and knew God. This Scripture illustrates what happens when a person who knows God willfully and deliberately commit a sin. Of course it isn’t always a physical death, but it is death. God showed us way back I (Exodus 32:28)”The sons of Levi carried out the command of Moses, and of the people about three thousand men perished that day.”



(John 8:34-35) “I tell you most solemnly, everyone who commits sin is a slave. Now the slave’s place in the house is not assured, but the Son’s place is assured.”

(Romans 6:8-11) “But we believe that having died with Christ we shall return to life with him: Christ, as we know, having been raised from the dead will never die again. Death has no power over him any more. When he died, he died, once for all, to sin, so his life now is life with God; and in that way, you too must consider yourselves to be dead to sin but alive for God in Christ Jesus.”

[Zecryphon]

So youre saying that unbelievers are saved as long as they believe? I'm lost.
No, what I am saying is that repentance and faith are the keys to salvation, as written in Ephesians 2:8-9. You're asking the same question I'm asking Squnk, whom I quoted. Squnk said "The requirement for salvation solely to understand that God sent His son, Jesus, to die to provide the only way to salvation." Even the demons know that. So according to Squnk they must be saved as well. I'm just as confused as you are. Perhaps Squnk will explain what he meant.

[Zecryphon]

Ack, thank you for pointing this out. In my editing I must have lost part of my sentance. Thank you for the correction.
You're welcome. The cool thing about this forum is that you can go back and edit what you've written as you know. So now, you can go back and put that sentence about repentance and faith, in there! :thumbsup:

[Squnk]

No, what I am saying is that repentance and faith are the keys to salvation, as written in Ephesians 2:8-9. You're asking the same question I'm asking Squnk, whom I quoted. Squnk said "The requirement for salvation solely to understand that God sent His son, Jesus, to die to provide the only way to salvation." Even the demons know that. So according to Squnk they must be saved as well. I'm just as confused as you are. Perhaps Squnk will explain what he meant.

I did explain above, you must have missed it. Here it is again:

Ack, thank you for pointing this out. In my editing I must have lost part of my sentance. Thank you for the correction.

To expand further:
I do fully believe that one must repent and put one's faith and trust in/on Jesus Christ for salvation. To not just have an understanding but act on that understanding to accept God's gift of righteousness and salvation.

[Zecryphon]

I did explain above, you must have missed it. Here it is again:



To expand further:
I do fully believe that one must repent and put one's faith and trust in/on Jesus Christ for salvation. To not just have an understanding but act on that understanding to accept God's gift of righteousness and salvation.
What happened here is what happens alot in forums, when you posted your initial reply to the error I caught in your post I was working on the response you've quoted here. Just an issue of bad timing, I'm afraid. No worries. It's all good.

[Giver]

Christ died for all of the sins of every person. Every believer still struggles with sin and the old nature. When a person accepts Jesus Christ as savior and payment for those sins, that person receives the Holy Spirit as a personal guide (the above post would fit right here perfectly). In God's eyes, your sin was buried with Christ, and the spiritual death you should have was overcome by Christ's resurrection. God has attributed Jesus' holiness and perfection to every believer. God looks down and sees all believers as His children.

When you sin, do you stop believing in God, and that Jesus died as the payment for your sins? The requirement for salvation solely to understand that God sent His son, Jesus, to die to provide the only way to salvation. If we had to stop sinning, it would mean we could earn or work towards our salvation, which is impossible.
(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

(Matthew 6:19) “Do not store up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and woodworms destroy them and thieves can break in and steal.”

(Luke 12:33) “Sell your possessions and give alms. Get yourselves purses that do not wear out, treasure that will not fail you, in Heaven where no thief can reach it and no moth destroy it. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”

(Luke 13:22) “Through towns and villages He went teaching, making His way to Jerusalem. Someone said to Him, ‘Sir will there be only a few saved?’ He said to them, “Try your best to enter by the narrow door, because, I tell you many will try to enter and will not succeed.”

[Zecryphon]

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

(Matthew 6:19) “Do not store up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and woodworms destroy them and thieves can break in and steal.”

(Luke 12:33) “Sell your possessions and give alms. Get yourselves purses that do not wear out, treasure that will not fail you, in Heaven where no thief can reach it and no moth destroy it. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”

(Luke 13:22) “Through towns and villages He went teaching, making His way to Jerusalem. Someone said to Him, ‘Sir will there be only a few saved?’ He said to them, “Try your best to enter by the narrow door, because, I tell you many will try to enter and will not succeed.”
I'm confused. Are you saying that it is through works we are saved? Cuz Epehesians 2:8-9 disagrees with you there.

[Squnk]

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

(Matthew 6:19) “Do not store up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and woodworms destroy them and thieves can break in and steal.”

(Luke 12:33) “Sell your possessions and give alms. Get yourselves purses that do not wear out, treasure that will not fail you, in Heaven where no thief can reach it and no moth destroy it. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”

(Luke 13:22) “Through towns and villages He went teaching, making His way to Jerusalem. Someone said to Him, ‘Sir will there be only a few saved?’ He said to them, “Try your best to enter by the narrow door, because, I tell you many will try to enter and will not succeed.”
In response to...
Matthew 7:21 - Put in context of the previous verses. You will know the tree by it's fruit. Faith does two things: it 1) accepts God's gift of salvation and 2) allows God to produce fruit through/in you. Works [fruit] do not save, but "saving faith" produces works [fruit].

Matthew 5:38,39 - I don't see how this verse applies here whatsoever.

Matthew 6:19 - Again, saving up your treasures in Heaven will not save you. Being saved means you will be laying up your treasures in Heaven. It is a sign that you are saved, not a method of salvation.

Luke 12:33 - Read a few verses prior (v. 29 is a good starting point). Jesus is saying that, since you are saved, you should not worry about things the world worries about. You should give to the poor because you are saved, not to obtain salvation.

Luke 14:33 - Do you own a computer? Therefore you haven't renounced all your possessions, right? The verse does not say you must not own things (or, by extrapolation, give things away), but is saying God must be first.

Luke 13:22-24 - What is the "small gate"? Jesus said "I am the way, truth, and life. No man commeth unto the Father but by me." Therefore Jesus is the small gate. Accept & trust Jesus's sacrifice for you and receive God's gift of salvation.

[mjb72384]

I don't think you can lose salvation as long as you have repented and pray. I got saved a while back and for the past month or two have been living in sin again but I know with God's grace I can pick up from where I left off. I just need to dedicate myself more for that is the best way to become better at anything! God Bless and peace be with you. :prayer:

[Giver]

I'm confused. Are you saying that it is through works we are saved? Cuz Epehesians 2:8-9 disagrees with you there.


Read James he explained it very nicely.

You should understand that those who Jesus calls are his slaves, and will do as he commands. His word tells us what and how we are to live.

If someone sins they are slaves of Satan. I don’t think a slave of Satan will enter the kingdom of heaven, even if they believe in Jesus. You know Satan believes in Jesus, and I don’t think it is going to get him back into heaven.

[Squnk]

I don't think you can lose salvation as long as you have repented and pray. I got saved a while back and for the past month or two have been living in sin again but I know with God's grace I can pick up from where I left off. I just need to dedicate myself more for that is the best way to become better at anything! God Bless and peace be with you. :prayer:
To expand on this... I was reading one of Corrie Ten Boom's books tonight and was reminded that we cannot, by ourselves, accomplish anything Godly. It is solely through the Holy Spirit that we can walk and have fellowship with God. Keep the mindset that all you do is through/by the Holy Spirit's power, and it will be harder for you to fall.

[Squnk]

Read James he explained it very nicely.

You should understand that those who Jesus calls are his slaves, and will do as he commands. His word tells us what and how we are to live.

If someone sins they are slaves of Satan. I don’t think a slave of Satan will enter the kingdom of heaven, even if they believe in Jesus. You know Satan believes in Jesus, and I don’t think it is going to get him back into heaven. Why then does Paul write so much about our freedom in/through Christ and our ongoing struggle with the old nature? "All things are allowed to me, but not all are benificial." As with the verses you posted earlier, James is concerned about seeing fruit in the believers, not saying you have to produce fruit to believe.

[stelow]

Paul had endured much suffering for the Gospel of Jesus. The time is coming when being a Christian is no longer going to be this wonderful bed of roses that some makes it out to be. Paul knew his life was nearing an end by the hand of those who hated the Gospel of Jesus.

[Philippians 1:27 – 30] “27Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel, 28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but to you of salvation and that from God. 29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, 30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.”

[Zecryphon]

I don't think you can lose salvation as long as you have repented and pray. I got saved a while back and for the past month or two have been living in sin again but I know with God's grace I can pick up from where I left off. I just need to dedicate myself more for that is the best way to become better at anything! God Bless and peace be with you. :prayer:
"I don't think you can lose salvation as long as you have repented and pray. I got saved a while back and for the past month or two have been living in sin again but I know with God's grace I can pick up from where I left off. I just need to dedicate myself more for that is the best way to become better at anything! God Bless and peace be with you. :prayer:"

What I'm getting from this statement is, that it is you who will fix the problem you're having, not God. You just need to work harder, dedicate yourself more, and you can get back into a right relationship with God. Is this what you're saying?

[Zecryphon]

Read James he explained it very nicely.

You should understand that those who Jesus calls are his slaves, and will do as he commands. His word tells us what and how we are to live.

If someone sins they are slaves of Satan. I don’t think a slave of Satan will enter the kingdom of heaven, even if they believe in Jesus. You know Satan believes in Jesus, and I don’t think it is going to get him back into heaven.

"Read James he explained it very nicely."

I have read James. I'm asking you to explain it. You made the statement, you explain it. I don't think James ever came close to saying what you appear to be saying.

"You should understand that those who Jesus calls are his slaves, and will do as he commands. His word tells us what and how we are to live."

Yeah... and?

"If someone sins they are slaves of Satan. I don’t think a slave of Satan will enter the kingdom of heaven, even if they believe in Jesus. You know Satan believes in Jesus, and I don’t think it is going to get him back into heaven."

You're avoiding the issue. You seem to be saying that works are what save us. I pointed you to Ephesians 2:8-9 which teach that it is by God's grace we are saved and not works, so that no one may boast. When asked to clarify a misunderstanding you point me to James. Can you not explain your statement? You need James to do it for you?

[Giver]

"Read James he explained it very nicely."

I have read James. I'm asking you to explain it. You made the statement, you explain it. I don't think James ever came close to saying what you appear to be saying.

"You should understand that those who Jesus calls are his slaves, and will do as he commands. His word tells us what and how we are to live."

Yeah... and?

"If someone sins they are slaves of Satan. I don’t think a slave of Satan will enter the kingdom of heaven, even if they believe in Jesus. You know Satan believes in Jesus, and I don’t think it is going to get him back into heaven."

You're avoiding the issue. You seem to be saying that works are what save us. I pointed you to Ephesians 2:8-9 which teach that it is by God's grace we are saved and not works, so that no one may boast. When asked to clarify a misunderstanding you point me to James. Can you not explain your statement? You need James to do it for you?

Peter told us that even in his time, that people misconstrued Paul’s writings.

Yes it is by faith in Jesus that we are given the Holy Spirit who gives us the grace to live the Word of God. No one could live a sinless life without the grace of God. A person can only be saved by hearing the Word of the Lord and living it.

(James 2:18-19) “This is the way to talk to people of that kind. You say you have faith and I have good deeds; I will prove to you that I have faith by showing you my good deeds. Now you prove to me that you have faith with without any good deeds to show. You believe in the one God; that is creditable enough, but the demons have the same belief, and they tremble with fear. Do realize, you senseless man, that faith without good deeds is useless.”

[james415]

Christ was Jesus for 33 years. Freedom comes with discovering who He was from the beginning.

[Zecryphon]

Peter told us that even in his time, that people misconstrued Paul’s writings.

Yes it is by faith in Jesus that we are given the Holy Spirit who gives us the grace to live the Word of God. No one could live a sinless life without the grace of God. A person can only be saved by hearing the Word of the Lord and living it.

(James 2:18-19) “This is the way to talk to people of that kind. You say you have faith and I have good deeds; I will prove to you that I have faith by showing you my good deeds. Now you prove to me that you have faith with without any good deeds to show. You believe in the one God; that is creditable enough, but the demons have the same belief, and they tremble with fear. Do realize, you senseless man, that faith without good deeds is useless.”

Good works or deeds are evidence of faith in Christ, of true salvation. You now seem to be quoting scripture that supports that position. So can we assume that you know it is by faith you are saved and not works? Because your earlier statements were not sending that message. It appeared that you thought it was by works you are saved. I disagree with you on the Christians not being able to sin anymore issue, but as I'm not non-denom I can't debate that point here. But I believe 1 John 1:7-10 addresses this issue nicely. By the way which translation is that above? I'm not familiar with it.

[Giver]

Good works or deeds are evidence of faith in Christ, of true salvation. You now seem to be quoting scripture that supports that position. So can we assume that you know it is by faith you are saved and not works? Because your earlier statements were not sending that message. It appeared that you thought it was by works you are saved. I disagree with you on the Christians not being able to sin anymore issue, but as I'm not non-denom I can't debate that point here. But I believe 1 John 1:7-10 addresses this issue nicely. By the way which translation is that above? I'm not familiar with it.
Scripture tells us that Christians who know God are dead to sin. Now I don’t know of any denominational church that does teach that truth, the Catholic Church included. Now to say that a church is the Church of God it should teach the truth.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people? “

Notice Paul was talking to Christians, but said they were still unspiritual. That, he said, was because of their sinning. So obviously they were not mature Christians. Now James was also talking to Christians who were not mature.

By the way yes there are sins that don’t lead to death, they are human faults that are not serious offenses and are not deliberate or thought out. John says that all sins don’t lead to death. Everyone needs to understand that when a person is lead by the Holy Spirit they will not deliberately commit a sin, and if he or she is being led by the Holy Spirit, and deliberately commits a sin, there is no redemption for that person.

(1 John 1:8-10) “If we say we have no sin in us, we are deceiving ourselves and refusing to admit the truth; but if we acknowledge our sins, then God who is faithful and just will forgive our sins and purify us from everything that is wrong. To say that we have never sinned is to call God a liar and to show that his word is not in us.”


(1 John 3: 3 - 9) “Surely everyone who entertains this hope must purify himself, must try to be as pure as Christ. Any one who sins at all breaks the law, because to sin is to break the law. Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him. My children do not let anyone lead you astray; to live a holy life is to be holy just as He is holy; to lead a sinful life is to belong to the Devil, since the Devil was a sinner from the beginning. It was to undo all that the Devil has done that the Son of God appeared. No one who has been begotten by God sins: because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”


(1 John 5: 16) “If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the simmer - not those who commit a deadly sin; for there is a sin that is death, and I will not say that you must pray about that. Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly. So then, brothers, there is no necessity for us to obey our unspiritual selves or to live unspiritual lives. If you do live in that way, you are doomed to die; but if by the Spirit you put an end to the misdeeds of the body you will live.”

What John said is we all have sinned. He tells us that not all sin leads to death. After he explains all that once he didn’t have to keep on explaining. So when he says: (1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

My wife had a hard time with the teaching that Christians are dead to sin, because she is a scrupulous person and sees any human failure as sin. John said all wrongdoing is sin but all sin doesn’t lead to death.

If through some human weakness I become angry and strike out at someone without thinking, that would be a sin, but not a sin, which was willfully, committed.

(2 Peter 2:20-22)”and anyone who has escaped the pollution of the world once by coming to know the Lord and savior Jesus Christ, and who then allows himself to be entangled by it a second time and mastered, will end up in a worse state than he began in.”


(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”


(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a farseverer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”


(Romans 6: 10 - 11) “When He died, He died, once for all, to sin, so His life now is life with God; and in that way, you too must consider yourselves to be dead to sin but alive for God in Jesus Christ.”


(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”

(Romans 8: 5) “The unspiritual are interested only in what is unspiritual, but the spiritual are interested in spiritual things. It is death to limit oneself to what is unspiritual, life and peace can only come with concern for the spiritual.”


We know that anyone who has been begotten by God does not sin, because the begotten Son of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.” So then, brothers, there is no necessity for us to obey our unspiritual selves or to live unspiritual lives. If you do live in that way, you are doomed to die; but if by the Spirit you put an end to the misdeeds of the body you will live.”

Galatians 5:16
“Let me put it like this if you are guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence....”.


(Romans 6: 10 - 11) “When He died, He died, once for all, to sin, so His life now is life with God; and in that way, you too must consider yourselves to be dead to sin but alive for God in Jesus Christ.”

(Romans 8:1- 4) “ The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin. He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”


(Romans 8: 9 - 13) “Your interest, however are not in the unspiritual, but in the spiritual, since the Spirit of God has made His home in you. In fact, unless you possessed the Spirit of Christ you would not belong to Him. Though your body may be dead it is because of sin, but if Christ is in you then your spirit is life itself because you have been justified; and if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, then He who raised Jesus from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit living in you.”


(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”


(1 John 5: 16) “If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the simmer - not those who commit a deadly sin; for there is a sin that is death, and I will not say that you must pray about that. Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly. We know that anyone who has been begotten by God does not sin, because the begotten Son of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.” So then, brothers, there is no necessity for us to obey our unspiritual selves or to live unspiritual lives. If you do live in that way, you are doomed to die; but if by the Spirit you put an end to the misdeeds of the body you will live.”



(Acts 5:1-11) The Fraud of Ananias and Sapphira: Peter said they were lying to the Holy Spirit so I would say they were filled with the Holy Spirit, and knew God. This Scripture illustrates what happens when a person who knows God willfully and deliberately commit a sin. Of course it isn’t always a physical death, but it is death. God showed us way back I (Exodus 32:28)”The sons of Levi carried out the command of Moses, and of the people about three thousand men perished that day.”


(John 8:34-35) “I tell you most solemnly, everyone who commits sin is a slave. Now the slave’s place in the house is not assured, but the Son’s place is assured.”

(Romans 6:8-11) “But we believe that having died with Christ we shall return to life with him: Christ, as we know, having been raised from the dead will never die again. Death has no power over him any more. When he died, he died, once for all, to sin, so his life now is life with God; and in that way, you too must consider yourselves to be dead to sin but alive for God in Christ Jesus.”

[Zecryphon]

"Scripture tells us that Christians who know God are dead to sin."


What does this mean to you?


"Now I don’t know of any denominational church that does teach that truth, the Catholic Church included. Now to say that a church is the Church of God it should teach the truth."


The only way you could make this claim with any truth is if you had personally visited every church in the world, and knew for a fact that they did not teach this truth. Is this what you expect us to believe? Also, just because YOU do not know of any church that does teach this does not mean it is not taught in any church. You just don't know if it is.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people? “

"Notice Paul was talking to Christians, but said they were still unspiritual. That, he said, was because of their sinning. So obviously they were not mature Christians. Now James was also talking to Christians who were not mature."


But they were Christians, albeit immature ones. They were still saved and yet still sinning. How is that possible according to what you believe?

"By the way yes there are sins that don’t lead to death,"


Not according to Romans 6:23:


For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

"they are human faults that are not serious offenses and are not deliberate or thought out."

Such as?


"John says that all sins don’t lead to death."


Where?


"Everyone needs to understand that when a person is lead by the Holy Spirit they will not deliberately commit a sin, and if he or she is being led by the Holy Spirit, and deliberately commits a sin, there is no redemption for that person.

(1 John 1:8-10) “If we say we have no sin in us, we are deceiving ourselves and refusing to admit the truth; but if we acknowledge our sins, then God who is faithful and just will forgive our sins and purify us from everything that is wrong. To say that we have never sinned is to call God a liar and to show that his word is not in us.”"


Who is John speaking to here? Is he speaking to the unsaved or to current Christians? See what the JFB Commentary has to say:


1Jo 1:8 -

The confession of sins is a necessary consequence of "walking in the light" (1Jo_1:7). "If thou shalt confess thyself a sinner, the truth is in thee; for the truth is itself light. Not yet has thy life become perfectly light, as sins are still in thee, but yet thou hast already begun to be illuminated, because there is in thee confession of sins" [Augustine].
that we have no sin — "HAVE," not "have had," must refer not to the past sinful life while unconverted, but to the present state wherein believers have sin even still. Observe, "sin" is in the singular; "(confess our) sins" (1Jo_1:9) in the plural. Sin refers to the corruption of the old man still present in us, and the stain created by the actual sins flowing from that old nature in us. To confess our need of cleansing from present sin is essential to "walking in the light"; so far is the presence of some sin incompatible with our in the main "walking in light." But the believer hates, confesses, and longs to be delivered from all sin, which is darkness. "They who defend their sins, will see in the great day whether their sins can defend them."


"If through some human weakness I become angry and strike out at someone without thinking, that would be a sin, but not a sin, which was willfully, committed."


Why not? You would in this case be acting according to your sinful nature, that you inherited from Adam & Eve, what is known as your Adamic nature. Even Paul himself said, that the good he wanted to do, he didn't do and the evil he did do, he didn't want to do. If Paul was dead to sin, why the internal struggle and conflict?

I'm not going to break down the rest of your post, because when posts figuratively speaking become the length of a novel, it's too time-consuming to try and address all the points raised therein.

[Giver]

"Scripture tells us that Christians who know God are dead to sin."


What does this mean to you?
A spiritual Christian who is being guided by the Holy Spirit, and has been taught about God spiritually, is someone who knows God. No one can come to know God in the flesh. Only through the Holy Spirit can anyone know God.

I can only speak for my self, but my spirit united with the Holy Spirit leads my mind.

My relationship with the Holy Spirit is different than my relationship with Jesus.



"Now I don’t know of any denominational church that does teach that truth, the Catholic Church included. Now to say that a church is the Church of God it should teach the truth."


The only way you could make this claim with any truth is if you had personally visited every church in the world, and knew for a fact that they did not teach this truth. Is this what you expect us to believe? Also, just because YOU do not know of any church that does teach this does not mean it is not taught in any church. You just don't know if it is.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people? “

"Notice Paul was talking to Christians, but said they were still unspiritual. That, he said, was because of their sinning. So obviously they were not mature Christians. Now James was also talking to Christians who were not mature."


But they were Christians, albeit immature ones. They were still saved and yet still sinning. How is that possible according to what you believe?

"By the way yes there are sins that don’t lead to death,"


Not according to Romans 6:23:
(1 John 5: 16) “If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the simmer - not those who commit a deadly sin; for there is a sin that is death, and I will not say that you must pray about that. Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly.




For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

"they are human faults that are not serious offenses and are not deliberate or thought out."

Such as?


"John says that all sins don’t lead to death."


Where?


"Everyone needs to understand that when a person is lead by the Holy Spirit they will not deliberately commit a sin, and if he or she is being led by the Holy Spirit, and deliberately commits a sin, there is no redemption for that person.

(1 John 1:8-10) “If we say we have no sin in us, we are deceiving ourselves and refusing to admit the truth; but if we acknowledge our sins, then God who is faithful and just will forgive our sins and purify us from everything that is wrong. To say that we have never sinned is to call God a liar and to show that his word is not in us.”"


Who is John speaking to here? Is he speaking to the unsaved or to current Christians? See what the JFB Commentary has to say:
He was speaking to all of us.


1Jo 1:8 -

The confession of sins is a necessary consequence of "walking in the light" (1Jo_1:7). "If thou shalt confess thyself a sinner, the truth is in thee; for the truth is itself light. Not yet has thy life become perfectly light, as sins are still in thee, but yet thou hast already begun to be illuminated, because there is in thee confession of sins" [Augustine].
that we have no sin — "HAVE," not "have had," must refer not to the past sinful life while unconverted, but to the present state wherein believers have sin even still. Observe, "sin" is in the singular; "(confess our) sins" (1Jo_1:9) in the plural. Sin refers to the corruption of the old man still present in us, and the stain created by the actual sins flowing from that old nature in us. To confess our need of cleansing from present sin is essential to "walking in the light"; so far is the presence of some sin incompatible with our in the main "walking in light." But the believer hates, confesses, and longs to be delivered from all sin, which is darkness. "They who defend their sins, will see in the great day whether their sins can defend them."


"If through some human weakness I become angry and strike out at someone without thinking, that would be a sin, but not a sin, which was willfully, committed."


Why not? You would in this case be acting according to your sinful nature, that you inherited from Adam & Eve, what is known as your Adamic nature. Even Paul himself said, that the good he wanted to do, he didn't do and the evil he did do, he didn't want to do. If Paul was dead to sin, why the internal struggle and conflict?

I'm not going to break down the rest of your post, because when posts figuratively speaking become the length of a novel, it's too time-consuming to try and address all the points raised therein.
Paul was explaining, about his struggle and failure with sin, before he became spiritual. Read the rest of Romans and his explanation of how he over came sin.

[Squnk]

Paul was explaining, about his struggle and failure with sin, before he became spiritual. Read the rest of Romans and his explanation of how he over came sin.
I need to ask for some clarification... You say believers do not sin, yet you also say the Corinthian church were believers who sinned. How does that work?

[Zecryphon]

"Paul was explaining, about his struggle and failure with sin, before he became spiritual. Read the rest of Romans and his explanation of how he over came sin."

So it was Paul who overcame his sin? That's funny, I thought Jesus took care of our sin problem on the cross. :D

[Giver]

"Paul was explaining, about his struggle and failure with sin, before he became spiritual. Read the rest of Romans and his explanation of how he over came sin."

So it was Paul who overcame his sin? That's funny, I thought Jesus took care of our sin problem on the cross. :D
Yes he died for our sins, but after we come to know him, we don’t sin any more.

[Floatingaxe]

"Paul was explaining, about his struggle and failure with sin, before he became spiritual. Read the rest of Romans and his explanation of how he over came sin."

So it was Paul who overcame his sin? That's funny, I thought Jesus took care of our sin problem on the cross. :D


1 John 4:4
You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

Romans 8:37
Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.

[Zecryphon]

1 John 4:4
You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

Romans 8:37
Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
Both of those verses prove that it is because of Jesus not of ourselves that there is victory over sin. Thanks for providing them.

[Floatingaxe]

Both of those verses prove that it is because of Jesus not of ourselves that there is victory over sin. Thanks for providing them.


You're welcome. Yes, Jesus is our warrior. He has overcome the world!

Yet we live here in this fallen place, don't we? We need to grab hold of that victory that Jesus has gained for us.

When we do that, walking in His authority, we will have His victory in us over all that besets us.

[Zecryphon]

You're welcome. Yes, Jesus is our warrior. He has overcome the world!

Yet we live here in this fallen place, don't we? We need to grab hold of that victory that Jesus has gained for us.

When we do that, walking in His authority, we will have His victory in us over all that besets us.
Yeah it's just that when I see statements like this one from Giver: "Paul was explaining, about his struggle and failure with sin, before he became spiritual. Read the rest of Romans and his explanation of how he over came sin.", I get nervous. There are those who do believe that it is both works and grace that save us. I try and help those people by talking with them. It's what God leads me to do.

[Squnk]

You're welcome. Yes, Jesus is our warrior. He has overcome the world!

Yet we live here in this fallen place, don't we? We need to grab hold of that victory that Jesus has gained for us.

When we do that, walking in His authority, we will have His victory in us over all that besets us.
Amen! It is only when we are walking with God, being led by the Spirit, that we can live God's will.

[Floatingaxe]

Yeah it's just that when I see statements like this one from Giver: "Paul was explaining, about his struggle and failure with sin, before he became spiritual. Read the rest of Romans and his explanation of how he over came sin.", I get nervous. There are those who do believe that it is both works and grace that save us. I try and help those people by talking with them. It's what God leads me to do.


Amen, brother. I join with you in that. We know that it is not works that save us, but rather, they are a natural outgrowth of a life controlled by the Holy Spirit. Those works done by Spirit-filled believers bring the right fruit that God desires. There are rewards for them, but the rewards are not the reason we do them. (It is a nice thing to think about sometimes, though! The King is good to His kids!)

[mjb72384]

"I don't think you can lose salvation as long as you have repented and pray. I got saved a while back and for the past month or two have been living in sin again but I know with God's grace I can pick up from where I left off. I just need to dedicate myself more for that is the best way to become better at anything! God Bless and peace be with you. :prayer:"

What I'm getting from this statement is, that it is you who will fix the problem you're having, not God. You just need to work harder, dedicate yourself more, and you can get back into a right relationship with God. Is this what you're saying?


Not at all, I mustn't have written it out correctly. Everyone slips and sins, it's human error because none of us are perfect and fall short of the glory of God. What I'm saying is as long as you pray and repent you will be forgiven and in this way can't lose your salvation. As far as working harder and dedicating yourself more, this is done by the holy spirit and not man himself. I hope this clears any confusion. God Bless.

[Zecryphon]

Not at all, I mustn't have written it out correctly. Everyone slips and sins, it's human error because none of us are perfect and fall short of the glory of God. What I'm saying is as long as you pray and repent you will be forgiven and in this way can't lose your salvation. As far as working harder and dedicating yourself more, this is done by the holy spirit and not man himself. I hope this clears any confusion. God Bless.
It does. Thank you. :-)

[LJSGM]

Matthew 3

8Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.

If you do have something that is habitually causing you to sin, I just want you to know that you do have the power overcome it. Do not believe the lie that you can not help but do it. God gives us the power to overcome sin, to have clean hearts through repentance, so that we are not slaves to it any longer. This is in no way trying to make you feel bad, but to empower you.
I have experienced this power that comes from the Holy Spirit twice in my life and it's miraculus.

James 4

Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

[scapeg0at]

This is something that I am really struggling with as of late. I know that sin is sin no matter what. I also know that sin seperates us from God, and if this is the case then why do we repent for our sin and not ask to be saved everytime we sin. I mean if I lie, and go on through the day, am I no longer saved? Or if I steal and ask God to forgive me for stealing am I forgiven for stealing, but no longer saved because I sinned. Also, if a sinner ( a person that has not confessed, and believed in the birth, death and resurrection) where to ask for forgiveness, but not ask for redemption, wouldn't we both be in the same boat? I hope this isn't confusing, and if so imagine how I feel. I want to make sure heaven is my final resting place so I want to get this right. It kind of makes a person not want to do anything at all for fear of messing up and then ending up in hell............So please let me know what you think.


Have you been baptised?

[Blade]

This is something that I am really struggling with as of late. I know that sin is sin no matter what. I also know that sin seperates us from God, and if this is the case then why do we repent for our sin and not ask to be saved everytime we sin. I mean if I lie, and go on through the day, am I no longer saved? Or if I steal and ask God to forgive me for stealing am I forgiven for stealing, but no longer saved because I sinned. Also, if a sinner ( a person that has not confessed, and believed in the birth, death and resurrection) where to ask for forgiveness, but not ask for redemption, wouldn't we both be in the same boat? I hope this isn't confusing, and if so imagine how I feel. I want to make sure heaven is my final resting place so I want to get this right. It kind of makes a person not want to do anything at all for fear of messing up and then ending up in hell............So please let me know what you think.

Like another place I was posting about this.. I believe there is only one sin that will send you to hell. That is NOT knowing Jesus as your lord. If we love him we will keep his word. But we all fall.. we all fail just pick yourself up dust yourself off and keep going. And if you asked Jesus about this.. all he was say is .. thats why I died. He knows we cant walk perfect but God sees us perfect through Jesus. See its when you keep walking in the sin that bad things come but Jesus said he will NEVER leave you. Do you believe in Jesus? Well there you go.. now dust yourself off and keep going. Oh and who would tell you that you were not saved? LOL see satan lies.. so if hes telling you your not.. PRAISE GOD YOU ARE!

[james415]

Romans seems to say that the one act of Christ brings life to ALL men.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

[Zecryphon]

"Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men."

I think the key to this verse is understanding how one is justified.

"19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous."

And the key here is to understand that "the many" doesn't mean "all the people." Salvation is conditional.

[james415]

You are correct about the term "many". It is the old covenant idea of being separate from God which would make us "many". The new covenant idea is that we are "one" with God (a part of of His body or a branch of His tree; governed by one Head who is Christ).

[Zecryphon]

You are correct about the term "many". It is the old covenant idea of being separate from God which would make us "many". The new covenant idea is that we are "one" with God (a part of of His body or a branch of His tree; governed by one Head who is Christ).
"You are correct about the term "many". It is the old covenant idea of being separate from God which would make us "many"."

I believe there are people who are still separated from God today. These people are the ones who have not repented of their sin and placed their faith in Christ for eternal life and salvation.

"The new covenant idea is that we are "one" with God (a part of of His body or a branch of His tree; governed by one Head who is Christ)."

This seems to be saying that all people are saved because Christ died on the cross, that's a twisting of scritpure. People have to receive a divine revelation about themselves from the Holy Spirit, only then will we call upon the name of Jesus to be saved.

[james415]

I agree with you. Here are two references that seem to support what you have said: “People have to receive a divine revelation about themselves from the Holy Spirit, only then…”

John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:65 He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."

[rocklife]

This is something that I am really struggling with as of late. I know that sin is sin no matter what. I also know that sin seperates us from God, and if this is the case then why do we repent for our sin and not ask to be saved everytime we sin. I mean if I lie, and go on through the day, am I no longer saved? Or if I steal and ask God to forgive me for stealing am I forgiven for stealing, but no longer saved because I sinned. Also, if a sinner ( a person that has not confessed, and believed in the birth, death and resurrection) where to ask for forgiveness, but not ask for redemption, wouldn't we both be in the same boat? I hope this isn't confusing, and if so imagine how I feel. I want to make sure heaven is my final resting place so I want to get this right. It kind of makes a person not want to do anything at all for fear of messing up and then ending up in hell............So please let me know what you think.no, don't be afraid and then do nothing, we can even be in sin by NOT doing good deeds when we supposed to be...

one lifestyle change that helped me with that, is with daily Bible study. Every day, read or listen to bible on tapes or study or listen to missionary testimony, study christian history, etc. That has helped me grow.

Part of the christian walk, is us being Justified with Jesus' sacrifice, we are now blameless, but then we have to go through Sanctification, which is a lifelong process of allowing God to bear fruit in us, we do need to persevere. I am not so eloquent, but this process may help ease your fear of sinning. We need to be willing to let God take away our sins, and try our hardest to get away from bad habits and sins, God takes away things that are bad and harmful, and He does allow us to go through that at a slow steady pace sometimes. Accidental sins are a little different than habitual ones, we need to be tender of our conscience, and when we see we are in the wrong, to make things right as soon as possible.

I hope that helps a little bit, I may not have said things so well. I do encourage you with daily Bible times, and being a doer of Jesus, then you'll grow closer to Him, and we won't have fear (if we continue in Him). I also recommend Bible on walkmen tapes, they are great help for me, but you can also listen for free online at www.biblegateway.com, I like the NASB version personally, some of the others cut off after only one chapter, but they have a wide selection of different versions, studying different versions is also helpful in my experience. God bless

[ozell]

This is something that I am really struggling with as of late. I know that sin is sin no matter what. I also know that sin seperates us from God, and if this is the case then why do we repent for our sin and not ask to be saved everytime we sin. I mean if I lie, and go on through the day, am I no longer saved? Or if I steal and ask God to forgive me for stealing am I forgiven for stealing, but no longer saved because I sinned. Also, if a sinner ( a person that has not confessed, and believed in the birth, death and resurrection) where to ask for forgiveness, but not ask for redemption, wouldn't we both be in the same boat? I hope this isn't confusing, and if so imagine how I feel. I want to make sure heaven is my final resting place so I want to get this right. It kind of makes a person not want to do anything at all for fear of messing up and then ending up in hell............So please let me know what you think.

We must endure, hold fast unto the end then you will be saved. When Jesus return that is the end of man's rule.
Satan is locked away for 1000 years when Jesus return.
we have to endure until that time. this is the time when we are given our resurrected body.

Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

1Cor 1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

ozell

[mannequinsmile]

This is something that I am really struggling with as of late. I know that sin is sin no matter what. I also know that sin seperates us from God, and if this is the case then why do we repent for our sin and not ask to be saved everytime we sin. I mean if I lie, and go on through the day, am I no longer saved? Or if I steal and ask God to forgive me for stealing am I forgiven for stealing, but no longer saved because I sinned. Also, if a sinner ( a person that has not confessed, and believed in the birth, death and resurrection) where to ask for forgiveness, but not ask for redemption, wouldn't we both be in the same boat? I hope this isn't confusing, and if so imagine how I feel. I want to make sure heaven is my final resting place so I want to get this right. It kind of makes a person not want to do anything at all for fear of messing up and then ending up in hell............So please let me know what you think.


Friend,
You mention that you want to make sure that heaven is your final resting place, and that you fear that by messing up, you might end up in hell. Well, for one, no one will end up in hell based on a technicality. It’s not the DMV, where if you accidentally misplaced a form then you wont be able to get your license. God loves you and is ever merciful. Pray that he will increase your faith.
As far as sinning goes, the closer you get to the Lord, the more your life will reflect it. It’s a simple equation. Have faith in the absolute power of what Christ did for you

[Peso]

Interesting that many people who believe in Christ still feel they have to spend their lives, picking themselves apart looking for sins they feel separate them from God. Jesus died to remove that separation for those who wish to know God.

Sin has consequences yes (mentally, physically, spiritually, and so forth), it's called reaping and sowing, but it has nothing to do with our standing in God's eyes.

A relationship with Christ through faith will yield fruits, but "fruits" (righteous behavior) won't necessarily build a relationship with Christ. Rest easy and enjoy the salvation that God has given to us in Christ.

[Totalalisa]

This is something that I am really struggling with as of late. I know that sin is sin no matter what. I also know that sin seperates us from God, and if this is the case then why do we repent for our sin and not ask to be saved everytime we sin. I mean if I lie, and go on through the day, am I no longer saved? Or if I steal and ask God to forgive me for stealing am I forgiven for stealing, but no longer saved because I sinned. Also, if a sinner ( a person that has not confessed, and believed in the birth, death and resurrection) where to ask for forgiveness, but not ask for redemption, wouldn't we both be in the same boat? I hope this isn't confusing, and if so imagine how I feel. I want to make sure heaven is my final resting place so I want to get this right. It kind of makes a person not want to do anything at all for fear of messing up and then ending up in hell............So please let me know what you think.
NEVER for one minute believe that God will not forgive you.... Because that is the trick of satan making you think that you will not be forgiven....

when you start thinking that you are not worthy of Gods forgiveness... remember that you are being decieved by satan....

but you must also know that if you are to be forgiven by the lord you must forgive your brothers....

How can you expect for mercy when you show none to your brothers

[jive4005]

We all fall down... Christians get back up!
Nobody expects anybody to be perfect. Fact is Christ reminds us that EVERYBODY will, at some point in time, let you down, fail you... everybody that is except Jesus.

Sinning isn't really the issue... recurrent and habitual sinning is!

[heavyb30]

once saved always saved. but you have to ask for forgiveness.