Is this the FACE & BODY of Jesus? The Shroud of Turin -

[david1988]

http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/18445/2006162134499811138_fs.jpg

The Shroud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud) of Turin (or Turin Shroud) is a linen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linen) cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have been physically traumatized in a manner consistent with crucifixion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion). It is being kept in the royal chapel of the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Saint_John_the_Baptist_%28Turin%29) in Turin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turin), Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy). Some believe it is the cloth that covered Jesus of Nazareth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_of_Nazareth) when he was placed in his tomb and that his image was recorded on its fibers at or near the time of his proclaimed resurrection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus).

Do you believe that the Shroud of Turin is the authentic burial cloth of Jesus?

[Amisk]

No, I don't believe in the relics of the Catholic Church.
Even if the cloth itself was 2000 years old, it don't stand to reason that the image of Christ would appear on the cloth in all the detail shown?

If there were stains on the cloth from the day of Crucifixion, the impressions would be more apt to be of the back of the head and back since the body would be laid face up.

We need to be more concerned in making sure that we have asked Jesus to for give our sins and that we are living a holy life as prescript by the scriptures than worrying over some relic of the past.

[HeyHomie]

No I do not. The evidence seems to point to a Medeival forgery.

Keep in mind that the guy in the image looks nothing like a first-century Palestinian Jew. Rather, he looks more like the Caucasian Jesus of European art.

[Peregrino]

Relics, icons, sites, etc are of NO importance to Christianity (evangelically, of course, not following those who keep the cob and throw away the corn). Want to know where to find the true likeness of Christ? There is an infallible way to:



34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

From Matthew 25: 35-40 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025:%2035-40;&version=31;).

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EDITED:
Oops! It's actually Matt 25: 34-40. No big deal, anyway.

[JDIBe]

http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/18445/2006162134499811138_fs.jpg

The Shroud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud) of Turin (or Turin Shroud) is a linen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linen) cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have been physically traumatized in a manner consistent with crucifixion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion). It is being kept in the royal chapel of the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Saint_John_the_Baptist_%28Turin%29) in Turin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turin), Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy). Some believe it is the cloth that covered Jesus of Nazareth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_of_Nazareth) when he was placed in his tomb and that his image was recorded on its fibers at or near the time of his proclaimed resurrection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus).

Do you believe that the Shroud of Turin is the authentic burial cloth of Jesus?
No. C-14 dating on the cloth shows a C-14 content of about 0.930 times that of a living flax plant. This dates the cloth at approximately 600 years old. (~1400 A.D.) That along with the fact, the man pictured appears to be of European descent (as someone has already mentioned) and that it was found in France, tends to lead me to disbelieve the story.

I sometimes think that God intentially allowed all physical evidence of the cloth and the cross to be destroyed. It keeps us from worshiping the objects and focuses our thoughts on Him.

[Simon_Templar]

No. C-14 dating on the cloth shows a C-14 content of about 0.930 times that of a living flax plant. This dates the cloth at approximately 600 years old. (~1400 A.D.) That along with the fact, the man pictured appears to be of European descent (as someone has already mentioned) and that it was found in France, tends to lead me to disbelieve the story.

I sometimes think that God intentially allowed all physical evidence of the cloth and the cross to be destroyed. It keeps us from worshiping the objects and focuses our thoughts on Him.
actually the carbon 14 dating has been shown to be faulty because the samples taken for dating were from sections fo the cloth patched during the middle ages.

It has been shown in more recent study that the cloth is infact much older, probably in the range of around 2000 years.

Secondly, the body was laid in the cloth such that the cloth was under the body, then folded over the head and came back down to the feet. Thus it covered both the back and the front of the body.

Thirdly, the gospel reference tells that there were two cloths, the burial shroud (which would be like the shroud of turin) and a "napkin" or head cloth that went around Jesus head.
A lesser known relic known as the "sudarium" in spain is a head cloth like the one described in the gospels. The sudarium contains blood marks on it that match the shroud of turin indicating that its likely that both where at one point on the same body.

Fourthly, the idea that relics are pointless or useless is something of a reactionary prejudice against the abuses of the middle ages. Biblically there are numerous objects which were held to be sanctified and made holy by God's presence.
One of the most surprising examples of this is the fact that merely touching elisha's bones raised a man from the dead.
When people say that relics mean nothing, I always think.. if the ark of the covenant were around today... would you touch it? ;)

The interesting thing about the shroud is, now that the carbon 14 dating has been shown to be faulty, there is literally NO evidence that it is a forgery. There is a fair amount of circumstantial evidence that suggests it is actually what it is claimed to be.

If it is a forgery no one yet today has figured out how it was done or any way that could possibly recreate it. If it is a forgery it is almost more incredible than if it is actually the shroud of Jesus.

[jsimms615]

http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/18445/2006162134499811138_fs.jpg

The Shroud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud) of Turin (or Turin Shroud) is a linen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linen) cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have been physically traumatized in a manner consistent with crucifixion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion). It is being kept in the royal chapel of the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Saint_John_the_Baptist_%28Turin%29) in Turin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turin), Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy). Some believe it is the cloth that covered Jesus of Nazareth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_of_Nazareth) when he was placed in his tomb and that his image was recorded on its fibers at or near the time of his proclaimed resurrection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus).

Do you believe that the Shroud of Turin is the authentic burial cloth of Jesus?
No, I don't think it is. I think it could be of someone who was around the time of Jesus or a little after. We have no evidence of what Jesus looked like except in Isaiah where it says he had no stately form. The pictures of Jesus that you see later were developed much later by people who had never seen Jesus in person.

[amadeus2]

No matter what anyone believes about the cloth or says about it, it is defnitely not the 'face' we are to seek:

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." II Chron 7:14

[Eleknar]

Jesus loves you :)

[Elife3]

I'm not sure but I kinda doubt it.

[pdfiddler]

No, He kind of looks like you and me.

[JTLauder]

I personally doubt it's real. But whether it is or not, what difference does it make? Does it being real or not really add to or detract from my faith in Jesus?