The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids

[talmidim]

This from http://www.livescience.com/history/070518_bts_barsoum_pyramids.html

The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids
By Sheila Berninger (sheilab@coe.drexel.edu), and Dorilona Rose (drose@coe.drexel.edu)
posted: 18 May 2007 09:42 am ET


This Behind the Scenes article was provided to LiveScience in partnership with the National Science Foundation.

"This is not my day job." So begins Michel Barsoum as he recounts his foray into the mysteries of the Great Pyramids of Egypt. As a well respected researcher in the field of ceramics, Barsoum never expected his career to take him down a path of history, archaeology, and "political" science, with materials research mixed in.

*snip*

Burst out laughing
According to the caller, the mysteries had actually been solved by Joseph Davidovits, Director of the Geopolymer Institute in St. Quentin, France, more than two decades ago. Davidovits claimed that the stones of the pyramids were actually made of a very early form of concrete created using a mixture of limestone, clay, lime, and water.

"It was at this point in the conversation that I burst out laughing," says Barsoum. If the pyramids were indeed cast, he says, someone should have proven it beyond a doubt by now, in this day and age, with just a few hours of electron microscopy.

It turned out that nobody had completely proven the theory...yet.

*snip*

[christianmomof3]

That is very interesting. Thank you for sharing it. I taught 6th grade science one year and I like that sort of thing. :)

[talmidim]

Well let's jump waaaayyy out on a limb for a minute. Let's say that you are not allowed straw for your bricks and you need something that will hold its shape and harden and you have the Awesome Creator answering questions for you...

And BTW, weren't all of the really big building projects in Egypt completed by the time the Hebrews left? Doesn't it make you wonder?

[stone]

I have a theory that the pyramids were contructed by the nephilim before and after the flood. The evidence for this can be found in the Book of Enoch:


[Chapter 7] 1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.


Compareing this to Genesis:

Genesis 6:1-2 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

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I believe the ancient hierglyphics carved on the walls of the pyramids and other structures give us a glimpse of these mutant beast that were created from the offspring of the nephilim.


There is an article also buried in here that shows proof of some of the buildings that Hebrews constructed dureing their time of captivity by Egypt. I know that they built many structures, but there are some that scientist have discovered are impossible to of been built by men, but maybe not so impossible for giants. ;)


The 1st problem with scientist when they pull out their state of the art forensics investigation techniques, is that they are mostly atheist and give no credit to father for anything that he did, or even to the super natural beings that would have been created from the angels and daugthers of men.

The time will come when these scientist will see something great that will only be explained in knowing that our father is above in heaven.

[Sephania]

I do not believe the pyramids are the result of ancient Hebrew builders. There is too much evidence to the contrary. Take for instance the great pyramid, in the kings chamber there are salt crystals, many have speculated that this is because of the burial of the pyramids in the deluge, where fresh and sea water mixed, also showing proof for a world wide flood and not a local Mesopotamian one.

That alone would make the Pyramids in existence before there was even Abraham and all the way back to his ancestor Shem.

[theguitardood]

I once heard a theory that Job or Melchi-tzedek had them built.

[stone]

I do not believe the pyramids are the result of ancient Hebrew builders. There is too much evidence to the contrary. Take for instance the great pyramid, in the kings chamber there are salt crystals, many have speculated that this is because of the burial of the pyramids in the deluge, where fresh and sea water mixed, also showing proof for a world wide flood and not a local Mesopotamian one.

That alone would make the Pyramids in existence before there was even Abraham and all the way back to his ancestor Shem.


Hello, good to see someone agrees with me! :wave:

[stone]

I once heard a theory that Job or Melchi-tzedek had them built.


Job was an ancient cowboy\rancher and Melchizedek was a priest i believe.

The carveings on the walls reflect perfectly the sins of men and the nephilim before the flood. It would have been a sin to take part in any of this construction and breeding. The high places were often rebuked by father as well. This isn't something a high priest of our father would associate himself with. jmho

[talmidim]

Hi Stone,

I read your post and I am having trouble understanding what you are trying to say.
I have a theory that the pyramids were contructed by the nephilim before and after the flood. The evidence for this can be found in the Book of Enoch:

[Chapter 7] 1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

Compareing this to Genesis:

Genesis 6:1-2 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Maybe I am just dense, but I don’t see anything about pyramids or even buildings in the above verses. What point are you trying to make with these verses?

I believe the ancient hierglyphics carved on the walls of the pyramids and other structures give us a glimpse of these mutant beast that were created from the offspring of the nephilim.So you think that the paintings and statues of the half-beast half-men in ancient Egypt represent nephilim? That is an interesting spin I hadn't heard before. Do you have any links to any reference material that confirms or expands on your suspicions?

There is an article also buried in here that shows proof of some of the buildings that Hebrews constructed dureing their time of captivity by Egypt.See if you could find the link to that one, OK? I'd like to read it.

I know that they built many structures, but there are some that scientist have discovered are impossible to of been built by men, but maybe not so impossible for giants. It seems that a great deal of study has been given to discover how men could accomplish these gigantic tasks. But this discovery puts a new slant on things. The stones that were examined were PROVEN not to be naturally occurring limestone. They were cast and poured. And this is something that men of any size could accomplish. Doesn't this discourage you in your belief that they were built by nephilim?

The 1st problem with scientist when they pull out their state of the art forensics investigation techniques, is that they are mostly atheist and give no credit to father for anything that he did, or even to the super natural beings that would have been created from the angels and daugthers of men.

The time will come when these scientist will see something great that will only be explained in knowing that our father is above in heaven.I too believe that the nephilim are the offspring of fallen angels and the daughters of men, Stone. But whether scientists give glory to the Father or not, the stones are not cut limestone blocks as were previously thought. They are poured or formed concrete blocks. The sample tested do not match ANY naturally occurring limestone from anywhere in the world.

BTW, I will concede that the pyramids may be much older that scientists think. But in truth, there isn't any real proof either way.

In His Love,

[stone]

Hi Stone,

I read your post and I am having trouble understanding what you are trying to say.
Maybe I am just dense, but I don’t see anything about pyramids or even buildings in the above verses. What point are you trying to make with these verses?

So you think that the paintings and statues of the half-beast half-men in ancient Egypt represent nephilim? That is an interesting spin I hadn't heard before. Do you have any links to any reference material that confirms or expands on your suspicions?

See if you could find the link to that one, OK? I'd like to read it.

It seems that a great deal of study has been given to discover how men could accomplish these gigantic tasks. But this discovery puts a new slant on things. The stones that were examined were PROVEN not to be naturally occurring limestone. They were cast and poured. And this is something that men of any size could accomplish. Doesn't this discourage you in your belief that they were built by nephilim?

I too believe that the nephilim are the offspring of fallen angels and the daughters of men, Stone. But whether scientists give glory to the Father or not, the stones are not cut limestone blocks as were previously thought. They are poured or formed concrete blocks. The sample tested do not match ANY naturally occurring limestone from anywhere in the world.

BTW, I will concede that the pyramids may be much older that scientists think. But in truth, there isn't any real proof either way.

In His Love,



The refference to Enoch was for the Nephilim, not the pyramids. You and i both know there is no mention of pyramids, maybe your just haveing fun with me?

I'm searching for those old articles and can't find them, the ones that show writeings on the back sides of the bricks, it was a couple years ago, but i'll keep searching a bit. I have all the url's stored away some place i don't have access to atm. I bet them Egpyt antiquities guys are covering something up here.

I don't buy the casting and pouring thing. One thing i know about Egyptology is that a new discovery is just right around the corner. I've also heard that the pyramids were constructed by aliens, i don't buy that either, except that its close to nephilim.

I said i have a theory that the carvings are of nephilim, i didn't say i read it in a book any place, unless you include simple logic after studying Egypt and the bible, and the Book of Enoch.

The only refference to pyramids in the bible would be high places. I will say that if they weren't destroyed by father, then they were left by him for a reason. Probably as a reminder.

I've got a few books lined up that i want to write, i'll add my Egypt\nephilim theory to that list. :thumbsup:

[talmidim]

The refference to Enoch was for the Nephilim, not the pyramids. You and i both know there is no mention of pyramids, maybe your just haveing fun with me?

I'm searching for those old articles and can't find them, the ones that show writeings on the back sides of the bricks, it was a couple years ago, but i'll keep searching a bit. I have all the url's stored away some place i don't have access to atm. I bet them Egpyt antiquities guys are covering something up here.

I don't buy the casting and pouring thing. One thing i know about Egyptology is that a new discovery is just right around the corner. I've also heard that the pyramids were constructed by aliens, i don't buy that either, except that its close to nephilim.

I said i have a theory that the carvings are of nephilim, i didn't say i read it in a book any place, unless you include simple logic after studying Egypt and the bible, and the Book of Enoch.

The only refference to pyramids in the bible would be high places. I will say that if they weren't destroyed by father, then they were left by him for a reason. Probably as a reminder.

I've got a few books lined up that i want to write, i'll add my Egypt\nephilim theory to that list. :thumbsup:No I wasn't playing with you. I just didn't understand what you were getting at. Thanks for clearing that up.

[stone]

your welcome

[talmidim]

Concerning the structure of the "stones" of the pyramid, I found this particularly interesting.

A year and a half later, after extensive scanning electron microscope (SEM) observations and other testing, Barsoum and his research group finally began to draw some conclusions about the pyramids. They found that the tiniest structures (http://www.livescience.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=070517_pyramid_map_02.jpg&cap=This+colorized+scanning+electron+microscope+image+shows+the+pyramid%27s+%22innercasing%22+limestone%2C+including+amorphous+silica+%28red%29+that+cements+the+limestone+aggregates+%28black%29+together.+Credit%3A+Michel+Barsoum%2C+Drexel+University&title=The+Surprising+Truth+Behind+the+Construction+of+the+Great+Pyramids) within the inner and outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone (http://www.livescience.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=070517_stone_blocks_02.jpg&cap=An+egg-shaped+cavity+marked+by+the+arrow+spans+two+massive+blocks+on+the+north+side+of+Senefru%27s+Bent+Pyramid+must+have+been+formed+when+the+blocks+were+cast+around+a+small+rock+or+debris+that+was+present.+Credit%3A+Michel+Barsoum%2C+Drexel+University&title=The+Surprising+Truth+Behind+the+Construction+of+the+Great+Pyramids). The cement binding the limestone aggregate was either silicon dioxide (the building block of quartz) or a calcium and magnesium-rich silicate mineral.

The stones also had a high water content-unusual for the normally dry, natural limestone found on the Giza plateau-and the cementing phases, in both the inner and outer casing stones, were amorphous, in other words, their atoms were not arranged in a regular and periodic array. Sedimentary rocks such as limestone are seldom, if ever, amorphous.

The sample chemistries the researchers found do not exist anywhere in nature. "Therefore," says Barsoum, "it's very improbable that the outer and inner casing stones that we examined were chiseled from a natural limestone block."

[stone]

You might find this interesting:

How is it possible for a short, 100 pound sickly man, working alone and using only simple tools, to have quarried, cut, trimmed and assembled over 3 million pounds of dense coral blocks to build a castle? And, to have interlocked the stones with exacting precision, some weighing up to 30 tons, without the use of mortar? Called Coral Castle, and sometimes called The Eighth Wonder of the World, this castle was originally located in Florida City in the 1920's, then in the mid 1930's it was moved single-handedly to its present location on a ten acre tract near Homestead, Florida.

http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze10a.html

[Simon_Templar]

There is no chance that the great pyramids were built by the hebrews.

They predate the hebrew captivaty by a couple thousand years.

It is concievable that the great pyramid could be a relic from before the flood. However, there are no heiroglyphs, or carvings of any kind in the pyramid.

According to an ancient source (herodotus if memory serves) the original exterior casing stones had writing on them which was in an unknown language, even to the egyptians. Supposedly the original exterior casing stones also showed signs of water damage.

None of this can be verified now because the casing stones were quarried off by the muslims during the middle ages for building projects and have since been destroyed and lost.

[Sephania]

For those interested in this subject this article may be of some interest.

Discovering the Israelite Identity of
the Pyramid Builders (http://moziani.tripod.com/pyramids/ammm_1_5.htm)

This places the Exodus at the
end of the Middle Kingdom and the pyramid age,
suggesting that the father of pyramid building
Imhotep is identical with Joseph.

6) Imhotep and Joseph have always been identified by local tradition in Egypt.7) This was carefully traced
back in the recent work of a German Egyptologist,
who, nevertheless, fails to even consider the possibility of their actual identity on account of the tremendous time gap in accepted chronology.8) As a rule of thumb, however, place names and local traditions usually give broad hints for correct identifications. 4. Imhotep and Joseph is one and the same historical personality shared by both Israel and Egypt, who have been neighbors throughout the ages, as France and Germany have Charlemagne (Latin “Carolus Magnus”) or “Karl der Große” in common, who connects their histories.9) As
Charles is French for German Karl, Joseph is the
Hebrew equivalent of Imhotep. For the original
form of Joseph is Jehoseph spelled IHOSEP, and
Imhotep may also be spelled IHOTEP, so that the only remaining phonetic difference is the dental fricative “s” instead of the dental plosive “t”, which is as slight a sound change in linguistic history as Karl becoming Charles.10) But not only the name is identical, also the story of Imhotep or Joseph from the sources of third-dynasty Egypt down to the present Muslim era matches his biblical story, as retold in the twelfth sura of
the Koran.11)


Some interesting things about Queen Hatshepsut being Solomons wife and also comparable with the Queen of Sheba.

[talmidim]

Double post

[talmidim]

You might find this interesting:

How is it possible for a short, 100 pound sickly man, working alone and using only simple tools, to have quarried, cut, trimmed and assembled over 3 million pounds of dense coral blocks to build a castle? And, to have interlocked the stones with exacting precision, some weighing up to 30 tons, without the use of mortar? Called Coral Castle, and sometimes called The Eighth Wonder of the World, this castle was originally located in Florida City in the 1920's, then in the mid 1930's it was moved single-handedly to its present location on a ten acre tract near Homestead, Florida.

http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze10a.htmlHere is an excerpt of the on-line book you quoted above: From the time I was five years old my uncle would read to me from The Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East by Baird T. Spalding, a five volume series about a scientific expedition of eleven men who visited the Far East in 1894. The research team released their report after spending three and a half years living in the remote regions of the Himalayas among extraordinary human beings who exhibited phenomenal paranormal abilities. Teleportation, psycho-kinesis, levitation, clairaudience, remote viewing, invisibility, extrasensory perception, and regeneration were normal daily phenomena for these amazing individuals.I'm sorry Brother Stone, but I am having a very hard time with your view on these matters. You deny that these scientist in the news article that I posted could be right despite their published results while you offer the strangest arguments concerning these scientists' motives. Then you offer a chapter of an online book that is written by an enthusiast of transcendental meditation and psychic phenomenon.

So, if this account above is the fantastic account of a disciple of the swami's and yogi's of the Himalayas, well that kind of speaks for itself. But if it is an accurate account, then it kind of blows your whole "must have been giants" nephilim theory. So from my perspective, this argument you offer is what I would call a "lose lose" proposition.

Please don't think that I'm picking on you. I really don't understand exactly what you are trying to say. Could you take the time to explain what I am missing? This is all pretty much outside of my realm of understanding.

Thanks,

[stone]

Here is an excerpt of the on-line book you quoted above: I'm sorry Brother Stone, but I am having a very hard time with your view on these matters. You deny that these scientist in the news article that I posted could be right despite their published results while you offer the strangest arguments concerning these scientists' motives. Then you offer a chapter of an online book that is written by an enthusiast of transcendental meditation and psychic phenomenon.

So, if this account above is the fantastic account of a disciple of the swami's and yogi's of the Himalayas, well that kind of speaks for itself. But if it is an accurate account, then it kind of blows your whole "must have been giants" nephilim theory. So from my perspective, this argument you offer is what I would call a "lose lose" proposition.

Please don't think that I'm picking on you. I really don't understand exactly what you are trying to say. Could you take the time to explain what I am missing? This is all pretty much outside of my realm of understanding.

Thanks,


What are you talking about?

I did not quote anything from a book.

I was refferring to, from the article, a man. A man that lived in Florida. A man named Edward Leedskalnin .

I mentioned this man, because of what he built and how he built it.

Show me where i mentioned anything about psychic phenomenon?

Check this out:

After contracting a case of tuberculosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis), Leedskalnin moved to the warmer climate of Florida around 1919 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1919), where he purchased a small piece of land in Florida City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_City). Over the next 20 years, Leedskalnin putatively constructed and lived within a massive coral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral) monument he called "Rock Gate Park", dedicated to the girl who had left him years before. Working alone at night, Leedskalnin, who weighed less than 100 lbs., eventually quarried (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarried) and sculpted over 1,100 tons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tons) of coral into a monument that would later be known as the Coral Castle. Leedskalnin gave polite, but cryptic answers to visitors' questions regarding his construction methods, which to this day remain a mystery. In spite of his private nature, he eventually opened his monument to the public, offering tours for 10 cents. He was a surprisingly accommodating host, even cooking hot dogs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dog) for visiting children in a pressure-cooker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure-cooker) of his own invention.
This building was originally located in Florida City in the 1920s; then in the mid 1930s Leedskalnin moved it single-handedly to its present location on a ten-acre site near Homestead, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead%2C_Florida). In December 1951, he left a note on his front gate which read "Going to the Hospital", and rode a bus to Jackson Memorial Hospital (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jackson_Memorial_Hospital&action=edit) in Miami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami). He died three days later of malnutrition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malnutrition) and kidney failure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney_failure), at the age of 64.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Leedskalnin


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[talmidim]

Brother Stone,

I think I covered all of that in my post. You were the one that decided to use the link to http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze10a.html for you illustration in the first place. I was just pointing out the "either or" conclusions that I was left with.

[visionary]

Yeah... be careful of the website you choose... if there is other questionable material on it... then the part that you presented becomes tainted...

I personally understand what you were trying to present... comparing something that has been done relatively recently .. coral castle in florida .. with... the pyramids ... as an explanation of how it could ***possibly*** have been built. Nothing more than that.