how u look at tim 6:5?

[brachah]

tim 6: niv

5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

how u tell the difference of
the blessings of G-dliness n
taking advantage of godliness?

well i guess i see the difference myself already:
G-dliness n godliness.

any other ideas? tks.

[visionary]

Hmmm the advantages of the blessings of godliness and the advantages of godliness. Blessings to me always are laid upon me by God, what I do with them is to my advantage.

[brachah]

tks for sharing ur view. GBU. shalom

[visionary]

Hmmm the advantages of the blessings of godliness and the advantages of godliness. Blessings to me always are laid upon me by God, what I do with them is to my advantage.I should clarify this... what I do with them is to my advantage, but may all I come to see, know, and understanding, and do be all to the glory of God. Godliness sullied is lost.

[stone]

1 Timothy 6:1-5 1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. 2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. 3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

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This is a warning to us, about those that are anti-christ.

[visionary]

Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. Those that look to their riches and think themselves like gods truly lose.

[Sephania]

What was brought to my mind is these faith seed ministries, believing G-d SHOULD bless you, you can hold up his word to his face and make him make good on it, deliver to you , as long as you send that ministry your 'LOVE GIFT" or your tithe or whatever they choose to call it to get you to send money in so they can live in the lap of luxury.

:(

[brachah]

oh that's very eye openning. tks.

[Ivy]

The most desirable blessings of godliness are not financial/material blessings.......financial blessing is at the bottom of the pile in comparison to things like love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, self-control.

Sometimes diligence & obedience will bring material gain but the gain is not for hoarding, it's to give away.

[Charles YTK]

3-5 A false teacher is someone who "teaches false doctrines" (i.e., doctrines other than the ones Timothy has been taught). Furthermore, he does not assent to "sound" (GK G5617) or healthy instruction, such as Paul has been writing in this letter.
Having defined the false teacher, Paul goes on to describe him in vv. 4-5. Bluntly he declares that such a person "is conceited [GK G5605] and understands nothing." In spite of this ignorance, the false teacher has a morbid craving for endless "controversies and quarrels about words." The first of these two nouns (GK G2428) can mean the legitimate investigation of religious and theological problems, though here it indicates debates or disputes (cf. 2Ti 2:23; Tit 3:9). Even well-intentioned theological discussions sometimes have a tendency to degenerate into word-battles or exercises in semantics.
Five things are mentioned as the result of the disputes and arguments. The first two are "envy" (GK G5784) and "strife" (GK G2251; cf. also Ro 1:29; Gal 5:21). Envy always produces quarreling and strife. "Malicious talk" (GK G1060), when directed against God, means "blasphemy," but when directed against other people, as here, it means "abusive speech" or "slander." The fourth result is "evil suspicions."
The fifth result is spelled out at considerable length, comprising all of v. 5. "Constant friction" refers to the continual wrangling that occurs between those whose minds are corrupt. In spite of whatever good intentions they may have, these men "have been robbed of the truth." They think that godliness is merely a way to make a lot of money.
6 Although "godliness" or "piety" should never be used as a means of securing financial gain, it is nevertheless true that "godliness with contentment is great gain." The word for "contentment" (GK G894) was used in classical Greek in a philosophical sense for a situation of life in which no aid or support is needed (also used in 2Co 9:8). But here it is used subjectively for a mind that is contented with its situation in life (cf. Php 4:11). Contentment is one of the greatest assets of life.


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[mont974x4]

I think we should look at the whole chapter.

1Ti 6:1 All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against.
1Ti 6:2 Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brethren, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles.
1Ti 6:3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,
1Ti 6:4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,
1Ti 6:5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness actually is a means of great gain when accompanied by contentment.
1Ti 6:7 For we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either.
1Ti 6:8 If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content.
1Ti 6:9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
1Ti 6:11 But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness.
1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called, and you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
1Ti 6:13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate,
1Ti 6:14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Ti 6:15 which He will bring about at the proper time--He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
1Ti 6:16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.
1Ti 6:17 Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy.
1Ti 6:18 Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,
1Ti 6:19 storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge"--
1Ti 6:21 which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith. Grace be with you.


God can and will bless people in this life and that at times includes financial wealth. At issue is our heart. Do we think we deserve it? Do we count it as His and a blessing? Do we hord it or handle it wisely and giving back to Him, as a means to bless others?

I appreciate the chance to look at His Word with ya'll.

In Him
Jay

[visionary]

So what would you do if you inherited a fortune, how can you use and not be foolish or prideful?

[mont974x4]

I decided a long time ago to think of all that I have as belonging to Him.

Admittedly it is hard to know just how we would act if we say, won the lottery or inherited a fortune, but my intent would be to finish getting out of debt, wisely invest some for the future, and give a large portion to charity and missions (and no, my own mission would not be the only one even though God has placed one on my heart), and I know a few people personally that could use some help.

As to the specific places I'd give, I would handle it the same way I handle it now, with prayer.


The bottom line is to be obedient:
owe no man nothing but love
plan ahead wisely but don't be greedy and hord wealth
be a cheerful giver

[mont974x4]

I would also suggest that verse 5 is a good argument against the health/wealth/prosperity teachings.

[visionary]

I decided a long time ago to think of all that I have as belonging to Him.

Admittedly it is hard to know just how we would act if we say, won the lottery or inherited a fortune, but my intent would be to finish getting out of debt, wisely invest some for the future, and give a large portion to charity and missions (and no, my own mission would not be the only one even though God has placed one on my heart), and I know a few people personally that could use some help.

As to the specific places I'd give, I would handle it the same way I handle it now, with prayer.


The bottom line is to be obedient:
owe no man nothing but love
plan ahead wisely but don't be greedy and hord wealth
be a cheerful giver:thumbsup: me too... I would give the Lord the first portion, then the rest as you have presented.

[brachah]

God can and will bless people in this life and that at times includes financial wealth.

- agree

[mont974x4]

It isn't a guarantee that it will be financial wealth in this life tho, and it shouldn't be our motivation for following Him.

[visionary]

God provides the right portion... with which we are to learn contentment...

[mont974x4]

Yes, as shown by Paul's example.

[Sephania]

The most desirable blessings of godliness are not financial/material blessings.......financial blessing is at the bottom of the pile in comparison to things like love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, self-control.

Sometimes diligence & obedience will bring material gain but the gain is not for hoarding, it's to give away.:thumbsup: