Rebuilding the Temple [open]

[JohnChapter14]

Do you think the Israel will ever rebuild the Temple of Solomon in our lifetimes?

[mont974x4]

I hope so.

[JohnChapter14]

I asked some Jewish people that I work with this question and they told me that it wouldn't be rebuilt because it isn't culturally needed anymore.

- Rob

[HaNotsri]

I asked some Jewish people that I work with this question and they told me that it wouldn't be rebuilt because it isn't culturally needed anymore.

- Rob

Those Jewish are probably not traditional in their religious outlook.

Israel will not build the Temple of Solomon, but Ezekiel presented a prophetic image of a glorious new Temple in the future.

One of the commandments of the Torah is to build the Lord a Sanctuary. That Sanctuary was the Temple. This is an eternally binding commandment upon the Jewish people.

Many organizations are trying to set into motion a pathway to build the Temple. The most prominent being the Temple Institute. They are attempting to rebuild the Temple to the specifications of Herod's Temple knowing full well they would not be able to create Ezekiel's vision. The very tophography of Jerusalem, and indeed, all of Israel would need to change for Ezekiel's vision to come to fruition.

I believe that the replica of Herod's Temple will be built and then destroyed by the enemies of God. When Jesus returns, the Temple of Ezekiel's vision will be erected from the ruins and devestation upon the Land.

That's my two cents.

Michael

[JohnChapter14]

I also believe the temple will be rebuilt, but its a matter of when.

[HadassahSukkot]

Hi all, I moved this one so it can get more coverage in our forum area... :)

[brachah]

it wl be rebuilt. the problem is very obvious. but G-d is bigger. He wl handle it easily.

[visionary]

Yes ...the temple will be built and fullfill its prophectic role in the last days.

[stone]

I'm surprised no one mentioned that the plans are already in the works to rebuild a temple.

http://www.templeinstitute.org/main.htm

[brachah]

i heard israel government forbids israeli jews to go to the temple mountain? i dont know. the guy told me this is an israeli messianic scholar.

[mont974x4]

I thought it was the muslims getting in the way?

[brachah]

the mosque is sitting where the temple was. my pastor told me.

[mont974x4]

There are some that theorize the mosque is next to the sight and that would allow the rebuilding of the temple without the destruction of the mosque, which would help get the political approval/negotiations accomplished.


I don't really know, but I know it will happen.

[brachah]

well, my pastor teaches us the earthquake theory. i guess he is a christian zionist. though he never claims to be 1.

[mont974x4]

Which is?


I'm not sure it matters, God will do whatever is necessary to accomplish what He has promised.

I just like to discuss different ideas, as I find the discussions to be good fellowship between brothers and sisters.


Jay

[brachah]

true, HIS way is higher than human ways.

[mont974x4]

Amen, and that's a very good thing.

[visionary]

there is a website trhat talks about the temple site that is not where the mosque is and all that... now where is it?? hmmmm

[SystemDown]

It'll definitely be rebuilt.

I remember being ... ten years old? ... and reading Hal Lindsey's Late Great Planet Earth in which there was a discussion about this ... I think someone in there, when confronted with the fact that the Dome of the Rock is currently sitting where the Temple was, responded with "Who knows? Perhaps there will be an earthquake!"

The thing is, no way COULD it be rebuilt without the Muslims going hyperballistic unless you have the Antichrist making a deal with the Arabs and Israelis allowing it to happen ...

I'm guessing it'll happen in ten years. But that's just me.

[debi b]

there is a website trhat talks about the temple site that is not where the mosque is and all that... now where is it?? hmmmm


Were they talking about putting it in the original city of David (which stands outside the current city walls) by any chance?

[JohnChapter14]

God is going to have the temple rebuilt and will work through people to accomplish it.

[WolfBitnGodSmittn]

Zechariah 1:16
Therefore thus saith the Lord; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the Lord of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem.

ive always taken this to mean that after Israel is returned to Jerusalem His house will be built... Jesus it is said, will also enter the eastern gate upon His return, and into His temple after it is cleansed

[A_Pioneer]

GoTo https://www.templeinstitute.org/donors_wall_b.htm
And see the multitude of those who are with total Faith that it will come to pass! My friends and I have spaces filled upon it!

Shalom

[WolfBitnGodSmittn]

amen my friend
i wonder how many are aware that the red heiffers have already been bred for decades now in preparation for the sacrifice?

it is also prophesied that the temple sacriufice will be reinstituted

of course we know Jesus is our sacrifice, but i believe scripture teaches that the rebuilding is inevitable

[MezzaMorta]

Why? It was already rebuilt (a duty of the Messiah), the temple is Jesus.

Also for it to physically be re-built wouldn’t this mean destroying the dome of the rock which Muslims hold pretty dear?

[WolfBitnGodSmittn]

Why? It was already rebuilt (a duty of the Messiah), the temple is Jesus.

Also for it to physically be re-built wouldn’t this mean destroying the dome of the rock which Muslims hold pretty dear?
no not neccessarily... it is now believed by many that the dome of the rock doesnt sit on the spot of the Holy of Holies, but rather the outer court of the gentiles... which meshes beautifully with revelation 11, where the temple is measured and the worshippers, but the court of the gentiles is left out

[tturt]

I've read all the furnishings are ready, livestock raised, bloodlines of priests investigated, etc.

[christianmomof3]

amen my friend
i wonder how many are aware that the red heiffers have already been bred for decades now in preparation for the sacrifice?

it is also prophesied that the temple sacriufice will be reinstituted

of course we know Jesus is our sacrifice, but i believe scripture teaches that the rebuilding is inevitable
I have heard that as well. I believe it will be done. Before 1948 many people doubted that the country of Israel would ever exist again.

Why? It was already rebuilt (a duty of the Messiah), the temple is Jesus.

Also for it to physically be re-built wouldn’t this mean destroying the dome of the rock which Muslims hold pretty dear?
I do not know if that will need to be done or not. But, if it does, God will take care of it.

[jefwins]

The present day fuflilment of these prophecies is in the church of Jesus. We should know that we are the temple. As Isaiah prophesied in Chapter 66. Where is the temple that you build to me... to this man will I look.
There is no where in the New Testament that concuslively tells us that the physical temple in Jer will be rebuilt or that God's people will rebuild it.

[visionary]

No one thought Israel would ever exist again too... until it did... some are still in denial about that even today too... doesn't change the fact that it is there.

Time of the gentiles is over... we are not in the final days...

Rebuilding the temple has more to do with preparations for end time prophecies than it does with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. As scripture says.. prophecy again... the last days will soon be upon us and they are nothing like what has been experienced in the last two thousand years. In fact, there has never been anything like it and it will be a doosie.

I have no disagreement with the fact that we are to be the Temple of God now. But I have a question for you... have you internalized the service to God that God requires in this temple of yours?
Jer 7:4 Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these.

One of the reasons that I believe that we will have another temple is because there will be a fulfillment of this event.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Which I tie with this verse... Hag 2:15 And now, I pray you, consider from this day and upward, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD: ....Hag 2:18 Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. and who says history doesn't repeat itself... only the devil is going to offer this to another. Mt 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, At this point this verse will take on a whole new meaning...Mt 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. Our hearts and dedication should not be with the earthly temple built with man.... 2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. We should only observe from the wayside as a sign of the times. For the great imitation shall take over the temple as his. 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

[ContentInHim]

The present day fuflilment of these prophecies is in the church of Jesus. We should know that we are the temple. As Isaiah prophesied in Chapter 66. Where is the temple that you build to me... to this man will I look.
There is no where in the New Testament that concuslively tells us that the physical temple in Jer will be rebuilt or that God's people will rebuild it.
Well, I disagree. It's clearly stated in Rev. that Jesus/Yeshua, our Messiah, will rule and reign from the Temple in Jerusalem. Who builds that temple - I don't know, but I know it's going to be there! :)

[Codger]

I don't know why the consensus is that the Temple was located on todays "Temple Mount." In order to believe that you have to totally ignore the historical record. Hundreds of references that indicate that the so called "Temple Mount" is in reality the Fortress Antonia. The evidence is overwhelming.

One example: The Temple of Herod was located on a tower. THe Southeastern wall was said to be 450 feet high (Pinnacle). Another 150 feet of the wall was underground and went down to bedrock. You have to ignore Josephus altogether. Is the wall of the SE corner of the Temple MOunt 450 Feet? NO

The real temple mount was located south of the Fortress of Antonia over the Gihon Spring.

[ContentInHim]

Codger - I've read some of the same literature. Haven't fully assimilated it, though.

[jefwins]

Your quite a visionary allright.
1. Why do you look for a physical fulfilment of Ezekiel's vision this side of the cross?
2. Haggai prophesies of the glory of the latter house being greater than that of the former. This was never attained to by the the temple restored in that time or when later extended by Herod. Surel ythe ultimate fulfiment is in Christ - His church in our day and ultimately in the redeemed of all ages after the second coming.
3. He who will sits in the temple of God is he who even now seeks to reign over the church which ultimately shall crush his masters head. He already reigns over all nations Jew or gentile who follow not the Messiah. A natural temple in Jerusalem is beside the point. This is a Pauline Epislte - What? Know ye not - you are the temple!
If you only see the natural you will miss the real fulfilment. Let us build three tabernalces ! NO - THIS IS MY BELOVED SON HEAR YE HIM. " I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail!"



Please explain about the internalising of the service in the temple?

If you ar referring to having separated myself from idols, offering up spiritual sacrifices, being established on the foundation of Christ - then the answer is yes.

[jefwins]

In response to ContentInHim:
Please give verses from the book of Revelation or elsewhere to support you statement.

[jefwins]

I agree with Codger
Jesus himself said that not one stone would be left upon another so the wailing wall is definately not part of the old temple and evidence does indicate it was part of the fortress of Antonia.

[visionary]

Your quite a visionary allright.
1. Why do you look for a physical fulfilment of Ezekiel's vision this side of the cross? For all the Jews failings, at the time of Yeshua first coming, they were not in the inner portion of the temple worshipping the sun, and in fact when Roman soldiers brought the image of the sun into the inner sanctuary, the jews considered it the abomination of desolation of daniel. So Ezekiel's vision of twenty-five elders worshipping towards the east, towards the sun, has not yet bee fulfilled.
2. Haggai prophesies of the glory of the latter house being greater than that of the former. This was never attained to by the the temple restored in that time or when later extended by Herod. Surel ythe ultimate fulfiment is in Christ - His church in our day and ultimately in the redeemed of all ages after the second coming.Yes, the fulfillment was in Yeshua. Yeshua never created a christian church like what we have today within all the christian demoniations, that is just a fulfillment of the time of the gentiles, now Yeshua is restoring the former glory in Him.3. He who will sits in the temple of God is he who even now seeks to reign over the church which ultimately shall crush his masters head. He already reigns over all nations Jew or gentile who follow not the Messiah. A natural temple in Jerusalem is beside the point. This is a Pauline Epislte - What? Know ye not - you are the temple! I agree, the temple in Jerusalem is besides the point of personal salvation. The Temple in Jerusalem is the focus of the end time events, key is the "god" who sits in the temple expecting worship from the world, and finding out there is still those who refuse to bow the knee.
If you only see the natural you will miss the real fulfilment. Let us build three tabernalces ! NO - THIS IS MY BELOVED SON HEAR YE HIM. " I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail!" We are to know our signs of the times and seasons upon us. We are given prophecies that we may know that even when all looks out of control, God is still master in the beginning and in the middle and in the end of it all.

Please explain about the internalising of the service in the temple?

If you ar referring to having separated myself from idols, offering up spiritual sacrifices, being established on the foundation of Christ - then the answer is yes. How do you internalize the services of the temple? ... Have you studied all the different objects within the inner sanctuary.

Do you know the difference between that which goes on in the outer court and that which goes on inside the temple? Many christians are in the outer court clinging to the cross. It is important, read Rev 11:1 and 2. There are two groups of believers presented, one group in the outer court is persecuted, the other group is in the inner temple worshipping. Do you not wish to be in the inner part of the sanctuary during such a time as this?

The feasts are spiritual symbolic presentations of prophectic portions of significant changes. Just as the spring feasts forever changed the understanding of spiritual matters for all, when they were fulfilled.... so also will the fall feasts... and we are to rehearse them so that when they happen we recognise them, know what is next, and are the side of God's program which is not taught in sunday school.

The duties of the priests within the temple is something we need to study that we may be actively part of the royal priesthood of Yeshua today.

These are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head, of the importance of what should be going in in that temple of ours in God's service. We can not perform our duties, if we have not learned what is to be going on in the Temple services.

[ContentInHim]

In response to ContentInHim:
Please give verses from the book of Revelation or elsewhere to support you statement.
Guess what? You are correct. Rev 21:22 says that the Father and the Son are the temple. Thanks for pointing that out. :wave:

I must be thinking of the prophets but it's not that clear in Ezekiel which temple he's talking about. Hmmm.

[Codger]

I agree with Codger
Jesus himself said that not one stone would be left upon another so the wailing wall is definately not part of the old temple and evidence does indicate it was part of the fortress of Antonia.

I got my information from this site.

http://www.askelm.com/tdetail.htm

The name of the book is "The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot." I am still in the process of varifying what has been said in this book - as you always need to do in any case. The author - the late Dr. Ernest Martin was a Universalist and spun off of Armstrong - doctrines that I do not accept. However I have not seen either of these doctrines in his writing. Martin, who was involved in the archeology of Jerusalem changed his view when he began researching the historical record of the Temples back in 1997.

The standard answer is that when Jesus said that one stone would not be left on another he didn't mean the Temple Mount - just the buildings on top of the Temple Mount. Not So. When he said that he had left the Temple and was looking back on it from a distance.

[ContentInHim]

It is acknowledged that the Herodian level is many feet below the current Temple Mount top, though - correct? This would indicate that it was pretty leveled.

Also, the Herodian level is very visibly differentiated from the subsequent levels just on viewing the outside of the retaining walls.

Not disagreeing - just asking! :)

[Sephania]

Your quite a visionary allright.
1. Why do you look for a physical fulfilment of Ezekiel's vision this side of the cross?
2. Haggai prophesies of the glory of the latter house being greater than that of the former. This was never attained to by the the temple restored in that time or when later extended by Herod. Surel ythe ultimate fulfiment is in Christ - His church in our day and ultimately in the redeemed of all ages after the second coming.
3. He who will sits in the temple of God is he who even now seeks to reign over the church which ultimately shall crush his masters head. He already reigns over all nations Jew or gentile who follow not the Messiah. A natural temple in Jerusalem is beside the point. This is a Pauline Epislte - What? Know ye not - you are the temple!
If you only see the natural you will miss the real fulfilment. Let us build three tabernalces ! NO - THIS IS MY BELOVED SON HEAR YE HIM. " I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail!"



Please explain about the internalising of the service in the temple?

If you ar referring to having separated myself from idols, offering up spiritual sacrifices, being established on the foundation of Christ - then the answer is yes.


I will try not to entice you to further debate as you are only allowed to ask a question and make fellowship type posts in our forum :) But you misunderstand what was being said here.

Let us build three tabernalces ! NO Do you know what is meant by a tabernacle? The word is not properly translated, it means like the tabernacle in the wilderness which was a temporary dwelling for G-d. It was also easily set up and taken down as were the same places that all Israel dwelt in, they were called tabernacles, we have a feast in the fall called the Feast of Tabernacles. This is a translation of a Sukkah, and the feast is called Sukkot. When we build to this day, temporary dwellings to remind us of the time we dwelt in the wilderness and also that our bodies are mean Sukkahs, temporary dwelling for our spirit. The reason Peter said that he wanted to make three of them was not to worship Yeshua or Moses or Elijah, but because when this happened, it was most likely during Sukkot that the ' transfiguration' happened. He showed them the good things to come in the future Sukkot where we will dwell with him in all his glory. Peter wasn't really thinking straight though, who would be, seeing Yeshua that way and seeing the great prophet before him, Moses and Elijah! But it does show us when this happened.

[Sephania]

Jewish Tradition and the Wall

(http://mosaic.lk.net/g-wall.html)
Since 132 CE (the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt), the prayers of Israel both in the Land of Israel and throughout the Diaspora were directed towards the site of the destroyed Temple. The Temple itself, as well as all the structures on the Temple Mount, became endeared to the Jews. The Midrashic sources of this period speak about the Western Wall of the Holy of Holies from which the Divine Presence never moves. Since the Holy of Holies was destroyed, the notion of eternal Divine Presence became associated with the Western Wall of the Temple Mount.
Sources about the Jews in Jerusalem up to 16th century note their attachment to the site of the Holy Place, but the Western Wall is not referred to specifically, though the scroll of Ahimaaz (11th century) mentions a synagogue by the side of the Western Wall, and Benjamin from Tudela (12th century) mentions the Western Wall, together with the Mercy Gate (which is in the eastern wall of the Temple Mount).
or in the wake of the The Western Wall became a permanent feature in Jewish tradition about 1520, either as a result of the immigration of the Spanish exilesTurkish conquest in 1518. Thenceforth all literary sources describe it as a place of assembly and prayer for Jews. According to a tradition transmitted by Moses Hafiz, it was the sultan Selim (Suleiman) the conqueror of Jerusalem who recovered the wall from underneath the dungheap which was hiding it and granted permission to the Jews to hold prayers there. No Muslim sources about Jerusalem bear any evidence of the Arab interest in the Western Wall. The nearby area became Muslim religious property at the end of 12th century, and from 1320 there is mention of the Moghrabi Quarter established there. Nevertheless, Jews were able to hold their prayers at the Wall undisturbed.

The Recent History



With the expansion of the Jewish population in the Land of Israel from the beginning of the 19th century onward, and with the increase in visitors, the popularity of the Western Wall grew among Jews. Its image began to appear in Jewish folkloristic art, and later also in modern art drawings and in literature. The 19th century also was the beginning of the archaeological study if the Western Wall north and south of the open prayer spot. In 1838 Robinson discovered the arch since named after him, and in 1850s Barclay laid bare the ancient gate (now in the corner of the women's section). In 1865 Wilson described the bridge discovered by Tobler in the 1830th. In 1867 Sir Charles Warren sank shafts to reveal the full length if the wall.
During the 19th century the Jewish attempted to to get control of the Wall. In the 1850s Hakham Abdullah of Bombay failed in his efforts to buy it. Sir Moses Montefiore tried in vain to obtain permission for placing benches or for installing a protection against rain there. Permission to pave the street was, however, granted. Occasionally a table for the reading of the Torah was placed near the Wall, but had to be soon removed at the demands of the Waqf (Muslim religious authorities). In 1887 Baron Rotschild, basing on cooperation with Sephardi community, offered to buy the whole Moghrabi Quarter, resettle its residents and have it demolished. The plan never materialized, probably not only because of the Muslim objections, but due to disagreements between leaders of the Sephardi community.
In 1912 the Turkish authorities ordered the removal of a partition between men and women, benches, a glass cupboard for candles, a table for reading Torah, etc., after the complaints of Waqf.