Where is the Christian fruit of the Bush Administration?

[marke]

Where's the fruit? Nothing but lies, deceit, death, destruction and worship of mammon and still preachers of error encourage us to support the Bush Administration.

This isn't a political issue, it's a sickness in the church that needs to be cleaned out. How can someone call themselves a Christian and act like the Anti-Christ? Easy, we see it every day. It's so common in fact that it seems most so called "Christians" can't tell the difference anymore the corruption is so ingrained in the church.

We are told how to discern Christian fruit from other fruit and this is being ignored which begs the question are those still supporting the Bush Administration a republican first or a follower of the Christ?

Seems people on these forums who are still supporting the Bush Administration don't bother to read the Bible. If they did bother themselves to read the New Testament, I can't see how anyone could still continue to support this corrupt administration when the fruit of this administration is the very fruit the New Testament tells us is contrary to the teachings of the Christ? And still ministers of error encourage support for this sick, sick administration.

LOOK AT THE FRUIT. That's all you need to do to see ministers of error who by their actions and the things they support show whom they serve. Don't follow blindly. According to the scripture we are to use to discern right from "W", there should not be ANY CONFUSION whom the Bush Administration serves. Isn't it something that one scandal after another in a constant stream keeps coming day by day. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Jesus tells us the blind following the blind all eventually fall into a ditch. You've got a Bible. Read it and don't give me grief for writing this. I'm trying to lead you back into the fold. You have no scripture to condone this behavior exhibited by the Bush Administration so why continue to support it?

Yes, God put this administration in power, but did you ever consider it may be so God can sift the wheat from the chaff among his followers? Maybe you should if you are still supporting this administration.

The gate is narrow and many are called, but few are chosen. Whom do you think will be chosen? Those who live their lives and support actions contrary to Jesus or those who conform their actions to those examples given by Jesus?

Something to think about, eh?

God Bless

[pdfiddler]

"THIS ISN'T A POLITICAL ISSUE":scratch:
Are you running for a local office somewhere?
Seems like I have heard that line before!:P

[aspirine]

You seem surprised. The VP Cheney backed tHe Muslims against the Christians in the Bosnian conflict. It was clear that Bush was in league with a devil from the beginning.

[Nurbz]

God doesn't directly do anything, otherwise it's not free will. He's in place because the last election was a referrendum on boys kissing. But its true, politics and religion have been mashed together and the politics have rotted out the religion, perverting it into a cult that makes a mockery of our faith. Falwell, Robertson, and Dobson to name a few are, in my opinion, misled and are misleading others by preaching the gospel of politics.

Many evangelical churches are indoctrinating children into a political party by using their faith.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6PUQATCcQ0A

Its different than past religious movements where followers were asked to REMOVE themselves from secular society, now they are intending to gain control of government and turn it into an unquestionable theocracy where biblical law becomes national law.

I do not belong to any political party because it keeps my mind (mostly) clear, and able to see through the BS politics tries to sell to the faithful in order to get to a vote.

The further you are left or right in politics, the further away you are from common sense!

[aspirine]

I must have missed that??? It was not an issue with anyone I know. The War and Occupation, The loss of Rights, The deindustrialization of america, immigration, Import restrictions on Pharmacuticals, a phoney national health plan, these were issues that we were aware of.
Nurbz, where did you get this idea "the last election was a referrendum on boys kissing"?

[pgp_protector]

I'm still working on my own fruit before I worry about looking for someone else's fruit.

[MaidforHim]

Where's the fruit? Nothing but lies, deceit, death, destruction and worship of mammon and still preachers of error encourage us to support the Bush Administration.

I'm just addressing the first portion of your comment because I think this sums up just about the whole political environment in our country. And really it has for pretty much all of mans history with the exception of a very few decent leaders scattered out over the centuries.

I can't think of a president, regardless of party, that has served for quite some time who's administration didn't fit your description of.... "lies, deceit, death, destruction and worship of mammon "

And I'll add to the list, greed, furthering evil causes and entities, and selling out our constitutional rights and more.

I don't think we'll ever have a president who doesn't these things. Ever. We've reached a point in the progress, if you could call it that, of man where we are so close to the second coming it is only going to get worse.

So what do you do? You have to choose a president and whether your choosing the lesser of two evils or the greater good doesn't seem to make much of a difference when all is said and done sometimes.

Money is what gets a person into office now and that money has to come from some where. Once in office that money has to be repaid through favors. That's what our system has come to. What we see now are the payback years for Bush. The same payback years we've seen for every president since Kennedy, who you could say either paid back sadly or didn't get a chance to payback.

So what do we have to choose from... given they are all going to lie, cheat, do favors and payback their supporters in some fashion?

We have to choose on moral issues.
Who's going to allow late term abortions and who isn't.
Who's going to preserve your right to worship and who's going to erode it.
Who's going to allow gay marriage and who's likely to ban it.
And so on.

Regardless of party or candidate they have us where they want us. I'm all for changing it, but I don't see it happening.

And once their in office they keep us squabling over these moral issues and in fear of losing our rights so that we don't pay too close of attention to what ever else they might be doing at the time. Making those payback deals and a fortune for themselves mostly no doubt.

Maybe if there were a revival in the US and there were more morally decent Christian candidates starting from the bottom level of politics and moving up things would change, slowly. I don't know though, power has the ability to corrupt so completely.

It seems like all we can do on election day is pray for guidance before we choose, whether you want to look at it as choosing the lesser of two evils or the greater good of the two major candidates. And then pray pray pray some more!

Maybe that's cynical, but ???? This trend seems to be a constant one that has only gotten worse throughout this century.:sigh: :(

We don't have a lot of other choices as I see it. After all it all really is in God's hands anyway, that's the one saving grace we CAN count on.:thumbsup: :clap: :amen:

[Cris413]

It seems like all we can do on election day is pray for guidance before we choose, whether you want to look at it as choosing the lesser of two evils or the greater good of the two major candidates. And then pray pray pray some more!

We don't have a lot of other choices as I see it. After all it all really is in God's hands anyway, that's the one saving grace we CAN count on.:thumbsup: :clap: :amen:

Amen sister!

God still sits on His throne! I am looking forward to the theocratic monarchy of Jesus Christ! The King is coming!

[MaidforHim]

Amen sister!

God still sits on His throne! I am looking forward to the theocratic monarchy of Jesus Christ! The King is coming!
Praise the Lord! I can only imagine what His coming will be like! What a sight to behold :clap:

Just wanted to add that, it is the thought of His coming that fills my heart with joy when I look at the state of the world today. Knowing that no matter what happens here the return of Christ is not far off is a glorious thing!

[TrustAndObey]

Marke, I thought you might like this story.

There's a local pastor here that is televised in my area. Hellfire and brimstone kind of preacher and some people just love him.

He told his congregation that if they DIDN'T vote for Bush that he did not consider them a Christian anymore and they should just leave. Not only did more than HALF of his congregation pile out as fast as they could (on television), but the government went after him for taxes.

If they want separation of church and state, they can't tell people WHO to vote for! Especially on televison.

:)

[DArceri]

WAIT A MINUTE HERE. WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF POLITICS. Is God in that definition. The only thing Christians can do is vote against the party with stances that attack or hit our faith the most.

[Nurbz]

WAIT A MINUTE HERE. WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF POLITICS. Is God in that definition. The only thing Christians can do is vote against the party with stances that attack or hit our faith the most.
thats what the hardliners like to say, but you don't HAVE to have a political party for christians. We don't have to be political if we don't want to because nothing can take away our faith.

And what you call "attacks" is just backlash to visible politico-religious leaders, and phelps of course.

BTW the administration condones torture, it has been caught in lies, evades justice (500 emails just disappearing during investigation), but all these polticians have to do is point at gays as the problem and wear a cross on their suit, and no one cares.

I mean geez, the evangelicals wouldn't pick a more qualified candidate to be their leader because the first choice wanted to focus on a poor and evironment a bit more and they considered him 'too liberal'

Any party or group that divides the bible into 'liberal' or 'conservative' aspects isn't one worthy of the faithful's association

[DArceri]

thats what the hardliners like to say, but you don't HAVE to have a political party for christians. We don't have to be political if we don't want to because nothing can take away our faith.

And what you call "attacks" is just backlash to visible politico-religious leaders, and phelps of course.

BTW the administration condones torture, it has been caught in lies, evades justice (500 emails just disappearing during investigation), but all these polticians have to do is point at gays as the problem and wear a cross on their suit, and no one cares.

I mean geez, the evangelicals wouldn't pick a more qualified candidate to be their leader because the first choice wanted to focus on a poor and evironment a bit more and they considered him 'too liberal'

Any party or group that divides the bible into 'liberal' or 'conservative' aspects isn't one worthy of the faithful's association

I think you are not understanding me. It is your choice, based on your faith, who you want to vote for. We have basically only four choices. To vote for the republican, the democrat, that independent (throw away vote), or to not vote at all. It all boils down to prioritizing what is important to you as a Christian. If its fear of a candidates possible choice for supreme court justice, if its secularistic thoughts by a candidate, if its abortion views, if its gay marriage views, stem cell research views, etc., the war, the economy, taxes, etc, etc,..... you need to factor in the whole package of that candidate, pray to God, and then vote your conscience for the candidate that is least detrimental to your faith IN THE LONG RUN. For me, I believe the moral bankrupcty of our society is at stake and is far more destructive in the long run. Any candiditate that tries to halt that decline is getting my vote. But that's just me. You have to have your own time with God to figure it out for yourself.

[Nurbz]

I think you are not understanding me. It is your choice, based on your faith, who you want to vote for. We have basically only four choices. To vote for the republican, the democrat, that independent (throw away vote), or to not vote at all. It all boils down to prioritizing what is important to you as a Christian. If its fear of a candidates possible choice for supreme court justice, if its secularistic thoughts by a candidate, if its abortion views, if its gay marriage views, stem cell research views, etc., the war, the economy, taxes, etc, etc,..... you need to factor in the whole package of that candidate, pray to God, and then vote your conscience for the candidate that is least detrimental to your faith IN THE LONG RUN. For me, I beleive the moral bankrupcty of our society is at stake and is far more destructive in the long run. Any candiditate that tries to halt that decline is getting my vote.

You're ok with the allowance of torture and misuse of power by corrupt, power hungry politicians for example, as long as a monogamous gay couple can't get a tax break? And the fact you consider a 3rd party to be a 'throw away vote' is a reflection of the publics reluctance to actually change anything.

And no matter who you ask, the 'decline' of moral values has always been occuring
“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly unwise and impatient of restraint.”
-Hesiod, 700 BCThere never has been a "Golden Age" in any society because there's always obvious problems. People act like the 50's and 60's were fantastic, but the racial desparities and the treatment of those that didn't conform to the society were a big blot on that part of history. People always like to blame society when others don't fall in line with their view on how things should be:
-Violent video games
-Heavy Metal in the 80's
-Rock in the 60's and 70's
-Elvis Presley's hips
-Any music with a hard beat during the 40's
-comic books in the 30's
-alcohol in the 20's

Fact is, if you just live by example and help others selflessly, you're living more like Jesus wanted than all the talking heads screaming about gays and liberals for the last 30 years or what have you.

Its obvious, Politics and religion should not mingle because its the faith that always suffers, and THIS is not the Jesus we worship :D

[DArceri]

You're ok with the allowance of torture and misuse of power by corrupt, power hungry politicians for example, as long as a monogamous gay couple can't get a tax break? And the fact you consider a 3rd party to be a 'throw away vote' is a reflection of the publics reluctance to actually change anything. Well if that is what God is pulling at your heart, go for it. Just a reminder that corruption is a political given. Can you give me one Presidential term in all of history where corruption did not occur at some level.

And no matter who you ask, the 'decline' of moral values has always been occuring Now that is your opinion isn't it? Not mine, sorry. I believe it is far worse now.

[Nurbz]

Well if that is what God is pulling at your heart, go for it. Just a reminder that corruption is a political given. Can you give me one Presidential term in all of history where corruption did not occur at some level.
that doesn't really answer my question :D

[DArceri]

that doesn't really answer my question :D
Well, you have to pray about it I guess. The Holy Spirit should be your guide in everything you do, even voting for the Presidency.

[Twisted]

It's so common in fact that it seems most so called "Christians" can't tell the difference anymore the corruption is so ingrained in the church.

Seems people on these forums who are still supporting the Bush Administration don't bother to read the Bible.

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that you be not judged.

[jsimms615]

Where's the fruit? Nothing but lies, deceit, death, destruction and worship of mammon and still preachers of error encourage us to support the Bush Administration.

This isn't a political issue, it's a sickness in the church that needs to be cleaned out. How can someone call themselves a Christian and act like the Anti-Christ? Easy, we see it every day. It's so common in fact that it seems most so called "Christians" can't tell the difference anymore the corruption is so ingrained in the church.

We are told how to discern Christian fruit from other fruit and this is being ignored which begs the question are those still supporting the Bush Administration a republican first or a follower of the Christ?

Seems people on these forums who are still supporting the Bush Administration don't bother to read the Bible. If they did bother themselves to read the New Testament, I can't see how anyone could still continue to support this corrupt administration when the fruit of this administration is the very fruit the New Testament tells us is contrary to the teachings of the Christ? And still ministers of error encourage support for this sick, sick administration.

LOOK AT THE FRUIT. That's all you need to do to see ministers of error who by their actions and the things they support show whom they serve. Don't follow blindly. According to the scripture we are to use to discern right from "W", there should not be ANY CONFUSION whom the Bush Administration serves. Isn't it something that one scandal after another in a constant stream keeps coming day by day. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Jesus tells us the blind following the blind all eventually fall into a ditch. You've got a Bible. Read it and don't give me grief for writing this. I'm trying to lead you back into the fold. You have no scripture to condone this behavior exhibited by the Bush Administration so why continue to support it?

Yes, God put this administration in power, but did you ever consider it may be so God can sift the wheat from the chaff among his followers? Maybe you should if you are still supporting this administration.

The gate is narrow and many are called, but few are chosen. Whom do you think will be chosen? Those who live their lives and support actions contrary to Jesus or those who conform their actions to those examples given by Jesus?

Something to think about, eh?

God Bless
Seems like it is a judgmental statement on your part to suggest that those who support Bush don't read their Bible. I don't really think that is appropriate.
Bush has made some major mistakes since he has been President. Personally, I don't think the issue is moral, but rather one of professional competence to hold the office in the first place. Bush owned part of a baseball team and was governor of Texas for a little while and that doesn't mean you can do a good job running the country.
It is interesting that now we have Obama and Hilary Clinton and Edwards running and they all have about as much political expertise as my house cat and would do about as good a job as President as he would.

[Svt4Him]

We are told how to discern Christian fruit from other fruit and this is being ignored which begs the question are those still supporting the Bush Administration a republican first or a follower of the Christ?

Where are we told this again?

[GregKerr]

Where's the fruit? Nothing but lies, deceit, death, destruction and worship of mammon and still preachers of error encourage us to support the Bush Administration.

This isn't a political issue, it's a sickness in the church that needs to be cleaned out. How can someone call themselves a Christian and act like the Anti-Christ? Easy, we see it every day. It's so common in fact that it seems most so called "Christians" can't tell the difference anymore the corruption is so ingrained in the church.

We are told how to discern Christian fruit from other fruit and this is being ignored which begs the question are those still supporting the Bush Administration a republican first or a follower of the Christ?

Seems people on these forums who are still supporting the Bush Administration don't bother to read the Bible. If they did bother themselves to read the New Testament, I can't see how anyone could still continue to support this corrupt administration when the fruit of this administration is the very fruit the New Testament tells us is contrary to the teachings of the Christ? And still ministers of error encourage support for this sick, sick administration.

LOOK AT THE FRUIT. That's all you need to do to see ministers of error who by their actions and the things they support show whom they serve. Don't follow blindly. According to the scripture we are to use to discern right from "W", there should not be ANY CONFUSION whom the Bush Administration serves. Isn't it something that one scandal after another in a constant stream keeps coming day by day. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Jesus tells us the blind following the blind all eventually fall into a ditch. You've got a Bible. Read it and don't give me grief for writing this. I'm trying to lead you back into the fold. You have no scripture to condone this behavior exhibited by the Bush Administration so why continue to support it?

Yes, God put this administration in power, but did you ever consider it may be so God can sift the wheat from the chaff among his followers? Maybe you should if you are still supporting this administration.

The gate is narrow and many are called, but few are chosen. Whom do you think will be chosen? Those who live their lives and support actions contrary to Jesus or those who conform their actions to those examples given by Jesus?

Something to think about, eh?

God Bless
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[tturt]

OP - your mind seems to be made up - but since you brought it up -

Have you heard President Bush talk about God during his presidency? Have you heard him pray?

With so many people not wanting anything religious said from governmental officials, wouldn't you think he gets flack for making a stand for what he believes? God's Word says for us to pray for our governmental leaders.

[andross77]

Where's the fruit? Nothing but lies, deceit, death, destruction and worship of mammon and still preachers of error encourage us to support the Bush Administration.

This isn't a political issue, it's a sickness in the church that needs to be cleaned out. How can someone call themselves a Christian and act like the Anti-Christ? Easy, we see it every day. It's so common in fact that it seems most so called "Christians" can't tell the difference anymore the corruption is so ingrained in the church.

We are told how to discern Christian fruit from other fruit and this is being ignored which begs the question are those still supporting the Bush Administration a republican first or a follower of the Christ?

Seems people on these forums who are still supporting the Bush Administration don't bother to read the Bible. If they did bother themselves to read the New Testament, I can't see how anyone could still continue to support this corrupt administration when the fruit of this administration is the very fruit the New Testament tells us is contrary to the teachings of the Christ? And still ministers of error encourage support for this sick, sick administration.

LOOK AT THE FRUIT. That's all you need to do to see ministers of error who by their actions and the things they support show whom they serve. Don't follow blindly. According to the scripture we are to use to discern right from "W", there should not be ANY CONFUSION whom the Bush Administration serves. Isn't it something that one scandal after another in a constant stream keeps coming day by day. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Jesus tells us the blind following the blind all eventually fall into a ditch. You've got a Bible. Read it and don't give me grief for writing this. I'm trying to lead you back into the fold. You have no scripture to condone this behavior exhibited by the Bush Administration so why continue to support it?

Yes, God put this administration in power, but did you ever consider it may be so God can sift the wheat from the chaff among his followers? Maybe you should if you are still supporting this administration.

The gate is narrow and many are called, but few are chosen. Whom do you think will be chosen? Those who live their lives and support actions contrary to Jesus or those who conform their actions to those examples given by Jesus?

Something to think about, eh?

God Bless

Any specific wrongs you want to tell us about that are strongly supported by evidence? Or are you going to just cross your arms, stamp your feet, and say, "Bush Administration is poo-poo!" ?

Like tell us if you are a democrat (that's pretty obvious), why exactly you hate Bush, why exactly you are calling him out specifically instead of someone else or even yourself, etc.

[Svt4Him]

I'm still waiting to find out where we're told to judge one another's fruit...