H.R. 1592: the Gospel to become hate speech in America

[Artificial Intelligence]

Anyone following this? Seems that some in our democratically empowered government are gearing up to vote on H.R. 1592 which will make it illegal to say, think or believe that something like homosexuality is wrong or sin. To do so will lead to criminal federal incarceration. Bush is against it and has threatened to veto such a thing if it gets to him… though I fear he may do as he did with the abortion issue and throw up his hands again before any real fight begins; it’s possible.

It’s not specifically there to protect homosexuality but anything that could be considered hate speech and also includes sexual orientation such as homosexuality or any sexual orientation that is outright denounced by the bible. Basically this will lead to the government having control of our pulpits with what can and cannot be taught from the bible; the absolute end of separation of Church and State and you and I may be taken to jail for teaching the whole of God’s word especially repentance of such sins as homosexuality. In coming months, this thread may be considered hate speech here in America.

He said churches need to awaken to the dangers of having pastors, lay leaders, or even those sitting in the pews sent to jail for their biblical views. "When they [realize they] could go to jail for preaching the Word of God, they'll be concerned," he told WND. read more @ http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55392

Thoughts? :eek:

[serephim02]

Let em try! I say bring it on!! I know a place they can stick that bill! They say we can't think that the bible is right eh? We can't say this in our church well they will have a fight on their hands!!! I will gladly go to jail for quoting the bible!! I do not hate the homosexuals but this law is outside the governments jurisdiction...who are they to tell us we can't quote or think or BELIEVE the bible!?! Whatever let em try.

[Artificial Intelligence]

Let em try! I say bring it on!! I know a place they can stick that bill! They say we can't think that the bible is right eh? We can't say this in our church well they will have a fight on their hands!!! I will gladly go to jail for quoting the bible!! I do not hate the homosexuals but this law is outside the governments jurisdiction...who are they to tell us we can't quote or think or BELIEVE the bible!?! Whatever let em try.It would be the end of the U.S. I wonder if this will be the straw that breaks the camels back. Who votes for these people to support such bills? Maybe we are destined to revisit the year 1861 again but in this case they will be freeing the homosexual slaves from the yoke of us evil Christians etc… well it certainly will divide; a virtual powder keg with the fuse lit.

[serephim02]

I do not like where the world is headed at all...to even try and pass a bill that would hinder our religion is beyond me....also I am hyper so that makes me sound more militant I really am...I still disagree with that bill completly and I would use that bill like toilet paper if given the chance.

[Nurbz]

its political tit-for-tat:

If one group wants to unequally impose religious doctrine through government, another will try to silence them by doing the same thing.

Though few see the irony and will no doubt result in some public butthurt by the annoyingly visible 'spiritual leaders' about being victims of persecution while in the same breath labeling homosexuals the single biggest threat to thieir family and spirituality and comparing them to child molestors and zoophiles when they ask for a monogamous couple tax break.

If we kept our faith personal and lived by example without allowing ourselves to be so easily led by politicians looking for an easy target to rally a fractured base, we wouldn't be getting this backlash

[serephim02]

I am actually more irritated about the attempt at the underlined parts. I could care less if it meant telling others about sin or moses parting the red sea. Telling me I will not be allowed to quote or believe scripture because some turd finds it mildly offensive is the same as telling a Athiest he cannot say or think or believe what he believes because I find it wrong and get angry....whatever. Stupid law that wont get passed no matter how much they gripe and moan. Freedom of speech anyone?....although I disagree with the condemning of others I really don't like this...next they will try and ban church groups or something IDK....either way it will not pass. Thinking and believing is something they cannot arrest you for...You could be thinking you wanna exterminate all jews or gay people but you cannot arrest someone on this basis unless they are actually planning to act on it. If they want to arrest me for speaking scripture than so be it. Its just the idea that riles people like me up. IDK mebe I am an idiot or something. While I disagree with homosexuality I also realize it says in the bible worry not about the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye but worry about the log in your. Meaning you deal with your sin I mine. right? God Bless!

Seems that some in our democratically empowered government are gearing up to vote on H.R. 1592 which will make it illegal to say, think or believe that something like homosexuality is wrong or sin.

[flyingsum0]

Ahh the joys of being a civiliian :)

Personally I'll take it or leave it...we should be leading by example, not words anyway.

Its like everyother "sticky topic"... there's a fine line between hating and helping....especially when it comes to sin, If we're truly on the side of helping the sinners then this bill wont matter...you dont need to words to let people see Jesus in you...

[flyingsum0]

Side note to serephim02...

FFVIII is my all time favorite RPG but Quistis rules!!! :)

[pgp_protector]

Text of the bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1592


SEC. 8←→. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.

Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.

So please update your thread title, as lying is an abomination to the Lord.

Proverbs 12:22
Revelation 21:7-8

[pgp_protector]

Let em try! I say bring it on!! I know a place they can stick that bill! They say we can't think that the bible is right eh? We can't say this in our church well they will have a fight on their hands!!! I will gladly go to jail for quoting the bible!! I do not hate the homosexuals but this law is outside the governments jurisdiction...who are they to tell us we can't quote or think or BELIEVE the bible!?! Whatever let em try.
Did you even read the law ?
Are you saying you CONDONE Violence against people for any of these reasons ?

perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability

[JeffTheLearner]

pgp_protector Quote:
Are you saying you CONDONE Violence against people for any of these reasons ?


I dont like people who twist CURRENT LAWS, and other peoples words!

You know what?
There are already laws to protect ANYONE who is assaulted! ANYONE who is beat up! ANYONE whos harassed!

Why are they making this law in the first place?
Quit twisting the subject buddy!:mad:

[pgp_protector]

I dont like people who twist CURRENT LAWS, and other peoples words!

You know what?
There are already laws to protect ANYONE who is assaulted! ANYONE who is beat up! ANYONE whos harassed!

Why are they making this law in the first place?
Quit twisting the subject buddy!:mad:
The problem is the "subject" is based on a lie.

The bill has nothing about speech, but is about Violence against people.

Or is the Bill not what the subject of this thread is about ?

[Artificial Intelligence]

Err lets keep this thread generally on topic, I can say quite a few things about games that contain witchcraft/occult type of content such as FF does, but this thread isn’t about that.


Anyway, you guys think this isn’t possible or no big deal? Anyone here remember Waco? How about Ruby Ridge? These are the birth pangs of the end times, as the times approach we see the same general things come in waves and growing in intensity. This isn’t just a born again Christian issue vs. homosexual in bed with Government leaders, there are many other people that will not stand for such rights to be revoked. How shall the government enforce such new laws? Hire another Jennet Reno? Or few dozen? How many freedoms must be eroded away before the Church wakes up? So many other countries have fallen to sleep and are reaping the due rewards of their slumber. This is simply an all out assault by Satan and to destroy this nation.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Text of the bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1592



So please update your thread title, as lying is an abomination to the Lord.

Proverbs 12:22
Revelation 21:7-8
What are you talking about? Have you lost your rocker, dude?! Speech, also now known as hate speech, is considered an assault. View this video http://www.stophatecrimesnow.com/Arlene_lo.cfm sharing the gospel in the US can get you put in jail, IT’S TRUE! And this bill was passed 4 days ago! They intend to make it a federal law and impose it on all the states!

Do you know that you are breaking rules by posting rules in that way? I’m a liar and committing an abomination?!? Dude, I used to have a ton of respect for you, I’m so disappointed in what you just said. :sigh::sigh:

[pgp_protector]

Err lets keep this thread generally on topic, I can say quite a few things about games that contain witchcraft/occult type of content such as FF does, but this thread isn’t about that.


Anyway, you guys think this isn’t possible or no big deal? Anyone here remember Waco? How about Ruby Ridge? These are the birth pangs of the end times, as the times approach we see the same general things come in waves and growing in intensity. This isn’t just a born again Christian issue vs. homosexual in bed with Government leaders, there are many other people that will not stand for such rights to be revoked. How shall the government enforce such new laws? Hire another Jennet Reno? Or few dozen? How many freedoms must be eroded away before the Church wakes up? So many other countries have fallen to sleep and are reaping the due rewards of their slumber. This is simply an all out assault by Satan and to destroy this nation.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


What are you talking about? Have you lost your rocker, dude?! Speech, also now known as hate speech, is considered an assault. View this video http://www.stophatecrimesnow.com/Arlene_lo.cfm sharing the gospel in the US can get you put in jail, IT’S TRUE! And this bill was passed 4 days ago! They intend to make it a federal law and impose it on all the states!

Do you know that you are breaking rules by posting rules in that way? I’m a liar and committing an abomination?!? Dude, I used to have a ton of respect for you, I’m so disappointed in what you just said. :sigh::sigh:
The bill has nothing about Limiting Speech.

I'll Quote form the bill itself.

Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.

Now if You can Quote from the BILL Itself that it makes the Gospel "Hate Speech" I'll gladly retract my statement & apologize.l

[JeffTheLearner]

pgp_protector Quote:

The problem is the "subject" is based on a lie.
The bill has nothing about speech, but is about Violence against people.
Or is the Bill not what the subject of this thread is about ?

You still didnt answer my question.:scratch:

Why are they passing this law in the first place?

Is it not true that VIOLENCE against ANYONE is ALREADY LAW?

[pgp_protector]

You still didnt answer my question.:scratch:

Why are they passing this law in the first place?

Is it not true that VIOLENCE against ANYONE is ALREADY LAW?
Yes Violence is against anyone is already in the laws.
Also Hate crimes against people because of perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability are Also already on the law books. All this Bill dose is add sexual orientation, gender identity to the list of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability.

Now if you want to say that ALL Hate Crimes are bad, and that they should be done away with, and that protection for people because of perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability also should be done away with, then that might be a subject we can talk about.

[Artificial Intelligence]

Now if You can Quote from the BILL Itself that it makes the Gospel "Hate Speech" I'll gladly retract my statement & apologize.lSaid the spider to the fly (concerning the disclaimer in the bill). Hate speech is considered an assault, people have been put in jail for saying the wrong things, it’s considered a hate crime! This is not true?? That is what this bill is attempting to do, as pointed out to you we already have laws against assaults, this is something else. Apologies? You should get down on your belly and kiss my feet. Break tiome before I start outright flaming you….

[JeffTheLearner]

pgp_protector Quote:
Yes Violence is against anyone is already in the laws.
Also Hate crimes against people because of perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability are Also already on the law books. All this Bill dose is add sexual orientation, gender identity to the list of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability.
Now if you want to say that ALL Hate Crimes are bad, and that they should be done away with, and that protection for people because of perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability also should be done away with, then that might be a subject we can talk about.

So let me ask you another question.

Why do we NEED this extra distinction?

Are you saying I should petition the House and Senate to pass a bill against assulting people wearing red T-shirts on mondays while eatting hot dogs?:confused:

[MaidforHim]

I dont like people who twist CURRENT LAWS, and other peoples words!

You know what?
There are already laws to protect ANYONE who is assaulted! ANYONE who is beat up! ANYONE whos harassed!

Why are they making this law in the first place?
Quit twisting the subject buddy!:mad:
Amen brother!

And all crimes against any person are fueled by some kind of hatred.

All people should be treated equally under the law, none should ever be given special rights.

[pgp_protector]

Said the spider to the fly (concerning the disclaimer in the bill). Hate speech is considered an assault, people have been put in jail for saying the wrong things, it’s considered a hate crime! This is not true??
Some may of been put in jail for there speech, but this bill has no baring on that, as this bill HR 1592 has no barring on Speech.


That is what this bill is attempting to do, as pointed out to you we already have laws against assaults, this is something else.

No that is not what this bill is attempting to do.
causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person

The bill dose not cover verbal assault.


Apologies? You should get down on your belly and kiss my feet. Break tiome before I start outright flaming you….

Can you point out in the bill where it talks about verbal assault, preaching or anything as reported in the OP Title ?

[pgp_protector]

Amen brother!

And all crimes against any person are fueled by some kind of hatred.

All people should be treated equally under the law, none should ever be given special rights.
True, but then we need to do away with the Existing hate laws right ?

[pgp_protector]

So let me ask you another question.

Why do we NEED this extra distinction?

Are you saying I should petition the House and Senate to pass a bill against assulting people wearing red T-shirts on mondays while eatting hot dogs?:confused:

Are people being attacked for wearing red t-shirts on Mondays while eating hot dogs ?

All this bill dose is add sexual orientation and gender identity to the EXISTING Laws protecting other groups of people.

[JeffTheLearner]

pgp_protector Quote:
True, but then we need to do away with the Existing hate laws right ?

Yea, your right pgp.

Lets make more Laws!

People with red hair, (i got red hair:wave: ) lets protect them. People with a dog, man people with dogs are cool, their worthy of their own hate bill. Ummmm old ladys with bee hive dues, hey what the heck!
Lets not forget about those who like to dress up in star trek gear... most of those dudes are twigs, they need all the BILL protection they could get!

[MrJDSmith]

well they are correct, there isn't anything in that bill about preaching the gospel.

[JeffTheLearner]

pgp_protector Quote:
Are people being attacked for wearing red t-shirts on Mondays while eating hot dogs ?
All this bill dose is add sexual orientation and gender identity to the EXISTING Laws protecting other groups of people.

You know what?
In High School I knew Preps and Jocks who liked to beat up Skaters.
I knew Punks and Medal Heads who liked to beat up Preps.
I knew Goths who got beat up by everybody.

These people are assulting each other, should we make laws for them too?

I'm just saying this is crazy pgp.

If it is not about limiting speech, and people are already protected no matter WHO THEY ARE.
What is this Bill about?

[~A.Pure.Heart~]

Anyone following this? Seems that some in our democratically empowered government are gearing up to vote on H.R. 1592 which will make it illegal to say, think or believe that something like homosexuality is wrong or sin. To do so will lead to criminal federal incarceration. Bush is against it and has threatened to veto such a thing if it gets to him… though I fear he may do as he did with the abortion issue and throw up his hands again before any real fight begins; it’s possible.

It’s not specifically there to protect homosexuality but anything that could be considered hate speech and also includes sexual orientation such as homosexuality or any sexual orientation that is outright denounced by the bible. Basically this will lead to the government having control of our pulpits with what can and cannot be taught from the bible; the absolute end of separation of Church and State and you and I may be taken to jail for teaching the whole of God’s word especially repentance of such sins as homosexuality. In coming months, this thread may be considered hate speech here in America.

read more @ http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55392

Thoughts? :eek:

After clicking on your link and finding it did not detail what H.R. 1592 is. I did a search to gain more information of the facts.

Here is a link that explains what it really is: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1592

Christianity is not pro-hate crime.

[pgp_protector]

You know what?
In High School I knew Preps and Jocks who liked to beat up Skaters.
I knew Punks and Medal Heads who liked to beat up Preps.
I knew Goths who got beat up by everybody.

These people are assulting each other, should we make laws for them too?
Is it a National problem ?


I'm just saying this is crazy pgp.
All hate is crazy.

If it is not about limiting speech, and people are already protected no matter WHO THEY ARE.
What is this Bill about?

The bill is about modifying EXISTING Hate Crime laws for people that commit Bodily Harm.

Not about speech.
Not about the Gospel (As reported in OP Title)
Not about Christians (Though they are covered by the law being modified)

Like I said, if you want to get rid of protections for race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability, then do it, but don't say that they ( race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability) deserve protection but sexual orientation or gender identity (Both groups that are having a National Problem) don't.



I'm still wondering though, where in this law is the Gospel being outlawed AS REPORTED in by OP ?
...snip...which will make it illegal to say, think or believe that something like homosexuality is wrong or sin. ...snip...

I'm just calling them on this.

[~A.Pure.Heart~]

Is it a National problem ?
I'm still wondering though, where in this law is the Gospel being outlawed AS REPORTED in by OP ?

I'm just calling them on this.As did I. See post directly above yours. (#26) :preach:

[pgp_protector]

As did I. See post directly above yours. (#26) :preach:
I saw thanks :)

[JeffTheLearner]

pgp_protector:
Like I said, if you want to get rid of protections for race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability, then do it, but don't say that they ( race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability) deserve protection but sexual orientation or gender identity (Both groups that are having a National Problem) don't.


Now your twisting my words.:mad:

Anyway the laws that are in place are enough.
Ok... If I go to a gay bar and beat up some gay people. I would get thrown in jail.

If I go to a bar of straight people and beat up some straight people. I would get thrown in jail.

What the heck is your point pgp?
That too many drugs does slow down your thinking process?

What? :confused:

[pgp_protector]

Now your twisting my words.:mad:

Anyway the laws that are in place are enough.
Ok... If I go to a gay bar and beat up some gay people. I would get thrown in jail.

If I go to a bar of straight people and beat up some straight people. I would get thrown in jail.

What the heck is your point pgp?
That too many drugs does slow down your thinking process?

What? :confused:
I'm not trying to twist your words.

I'll simplify this.
If the existing hate laws are a good idea, then adding sexual orientation & gender identity to them is a good idea, as these groups are being attacked for that status.
If the existing hate laws are a bad idea, then don't protect any group of people, including religious, race, or disabled groups.

I've no idea what drugs has to do with this thread though.

[aspirine]

beep beep beep

[tturt]

It doesn't matter what the intent of the legislation is anymore, what matters is how the courts and our legal system will interpret this legislation.

Since the passage of the same legislation in other countries has resulted in preachers being arrested and charged with hate crimes and our Supreme Court Justices consider how other countries view us before making some of their decisions, why do we think our court system will interpret this legislation any differently?

[pgp_protector]

It doesn't matter what the intent of the legislation is anymore, what matters is how the courts and our legal system will interpret this legislation.

Since the passage of the same legislation in other countries has resulted in preachers being arrested and charged with hate crimes and our Supreme Court Justices consider how other countries view us before making some of their decisions, why do we think our court system will interpret this legislation any differently?

Because of the way it is written (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1592) to avoid the problems that other countries are having ???

[pgp_protector]

Though I'm still waiting for the OP to show where in the bill (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1592)the Gospel will become hate speech as they(The OP) have said it Would.

...snip...which will make it illegal to say, think or believe that something like homosexuality is wrong or sin. ...snip...

[flyingsum0]

This whole thing is just conspiracy theory parinoia running rampant... Im not worried in the least, I have enough faith in God to believe His will always prevail.

Lead people to God with your actions not words. Spreading His Word by living His word gives glory back to Him.

[MaidforHim]

One of the first things Satan did is to cast doubt on God's word when he spoke to Eve.

If Satan can, he will use anything, even legislation like this to undermine The Word of God. It really isn't that far fetched, many pastors in so called "enlightened" countries have already spent time in jail because of similar laws.

Satan wants the Word destroyed, hidden, forgotten and he can't do it all at once we wouldn't stand for it, so he will attempt it a little tiny bit at a time, trying to erode it a little here and a little there.

It won't work of course, we already know the end of the story. But what does God tell us to do? Fight the good fight, spread the Gospel, sharing His word... He doesn't say "share the parts of the Gospel your allowed to share and don't worry about the rest."

So who do we owe it to, to make sure that our faith is not neutered by the courts?

We owe it to God, we owe it our children and their children. We currently have freedom of speech, but we won't have it for long if we keep letting little tiny pieces of it be chipped away.

Like it or not, nice or not, good speech or bad speech we all have the right our own thoughts, and to speak our minds.

Robbing a man is illegal regardless of how the thief feels about the victim.

Assault and battery are illegal regardless of how the assailant feels about the victim.

It just doesn't get any simpler than that and adding "hate crimes" or "hate speech" as a crime into legislation is opening up a can of warms that need not be opened.

There are already punishments for crimes regardless of who they are committed against or who what is in the sick hearts and minds of those committing them.

The whole situation is totally unnecessary and dangerous to any religion that believes that homosexuality is a sin.

[JesusChristLives]

HOW CAN THEY CALL THIS AMERICA IF WE CANT BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT HAPPENED TO "FREEDOM OF RELIGION" NOW WE GET TO GO TO JAIL FOR PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD!!!!!

If it comes to this i will go right out in the streets, instead of just telling ppl in my school and quote the bible, the Gospel. I DONT REALLY CARE WHAT THEY DO!!!
Sending someone to jail for preaching what they believe is what politics call "unconstitutional"

again, lets see them try and stop us. They think we're concerned?? HAHA!!! i laugh at that

[pgp_protector]

HOW CAN THEY CALL THIS AMERICA IF WE CANT BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT HAPPENED TO "FREEDOM OF RELIGION" NOW WE GET TO GO TO JAIL FOR PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD!!!!!

If it comes to this i will go right out in the streets, instead of just telling ppl in my school and quote the bible, the Gospel. I DONT REALLY CARE WHAT THEY DO!!!
Sending someone to jail for preaching what they believe is what politics call "unconstitutional"

again, lets see them try and stop us. They think we're concerned?? HAHA!!! i laugh at that
I take it you did NOT read the bill did you ?
If you did, you would see that the bill has nothing to do with Preaching, but about causeing bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person

[flyingsum0]

I take it you did NOT read the bill did you ?
If you did, you would see that the bill has nothing to do with Preaching, but about causeing bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person

PGP is 100% right. Please read it first before suiting up and charging into battle about assumptions instead of facts.

[JesusChristLives]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1592

obviously these guys will do anything to get the constitution their way...to tell you the truth this probably isnt even america anymore

[pgp_protector]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1592

obviously these guys will do anything to get the constitution their way...to tell you the truth this probably isnt even america anymore
Post #9 has a link to the text of the bill itself :)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1592

[pgp_protector]

Though I'm still waiting for the OP to show where in the bill (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1592)the Gospel will become hate speech as they(The OP) have said it Would.
...snip...which will make it illegal to say, think or believe that something like homosexuality is wrong or sin. ...snip...

Hello ?

[JeffTheLearner]

Anyways PGP, I get your point, and sorry about the question of drugs.
But today, everyone on the news is making the same argument I was making with you.

"WHY?"
..and your hearing it all over!

But as far as your fight with faith_warrior. Did you see all that stuff that was in PINK (THE REMOVED TEXT) ...does that not scare you?

Thats what the other side wants. Go to a Gay forum, or a Liberal forum.
They do not hide there hate for christians, and country people. Christians and Cowboys ...LOL. They Hate them. I hear gay people always talking trash about christians. They hate us man.
I'm not saying every single one of them but a large majority does. They hate us, and want to get rid of us.
But, this is written in the Bible and its going to happen, but we dont have to act like we like what they are doing!

And we dont have to act like they dont want to take away are bibles!

[flyingsum0]

Haha theyre not getting rid of us...lol if they try to push you around let me know :)

[pgp_protector]

Anyways PGP, I get your point, and sorry about the question of drugs.
But today, everyone on the news is making the same argument I was making with you.

"WHY?"
..and your hearing it all over!

But as far as your fight with faith_warrior. Did you see all that stuff that was in PINK (THE REMOVED TEXT) ...does that not scare you?

Thats what the other side wants. Go to a Gay forum, or a Liberal forum.
They do not hide there hate for christians, and country people. Christians and Cowboys ...LOL. They Hate them. I hear gay people always talking trash about christians. They hate us man.
I'm not saying every single one of them but a large majority does. They hate us, and want to get rid of us.
But, this is written in the Bible and its going to happen, but we dont have to act like we like what they are doing!

And we dont have to act like they dont want to take away are bibles!
Thing is the Pink (Removed Text) is just that Removed, and not part of the law.

As for why, as I stated before, the hate crime law already exist, this just adds to who is protected.

If we want to get rid of hate crimes laws, then yes that would be a good argument for another thread.

But this thread is about "Making the Gospel Hate Speech", and I'm calling the OP on it, the bill as written has no provision for making the Gospel Hate Speech, and reporting it as such is wrong.

[jad123]

PGP you nailed it on the head. This bill has nothing to do with the subject of this thread (H.R. 1592: the Gospel to become hate speech in America). When I read the subject I was ready to pounce but when you actually take the time to read the bill the subject of this thread is very misleading. We all should take care to understand things before we get so hot and bothered over it.

[JesusChristLives]

lol...yeah after i read it i said that myself..misleaded subject

[Cris413]

This kinda reminds me of a bit of alarming news I heard regarding a Pastor and his church having charges brought against them because of handing out gospel tracts.

Apparently...some city or county anti-litter law was put in place that bans handing out flyers and such and these gospel tracts fall into that category.

I'm sure those supporting an "anti-litter" law probably didn't consider they were restricting the sharing of the gospel...but that's how slow and steady deception progresses.

Start with this...it leads to that. Write this and it can be interpreted and twisted into that.

Praise God....the victory belongs to the Lord!

:amen:
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