Jesus was a Jew not a Christian

[GregKerr]

We are in a gentile religion ? No way. Book Of Revelation from Jesus Himself....Heaven is called The New Jerusalem, Not New York or New Jersey...Heaven has a wall around it with twelve layers of precious stones and on each one of these layers is the name of one of the twelve apostles of Jesus, the last being Mathias not Paul....Heaven has twelve gates to go through and on each of these gates is written one of the names of the twelve tribes of Israel....looks kinda Jewish to me and guess what, it is going to be filled with all the Jews in the Bible, Jesus included.....now keep on believing that we are in a gentile movement not Jewish....you might say that if we are not a Jew in the realm of the spirit we are not even part of this movement---

[flyingsum0]

Arghh does this mean bacon and hot dogs are out? That would be a real bummer dude...

[JTLauder]

Well, unless you are ethnically Jewish, then according to the Bible you are a Gentile. Jesus came first to save the Jewish people and then to the Gentiles, but his path to salvation is for everyone. Regardless of what you call this "movement", Jesus came for all.

[PhantomTorment]

Well, unless you are ethnically Jewish, then according to the Bible you are a Gentile. Jesus came first to save the Jewish people and then to the Gentiles, but his path to salvation is for everyone. Regardless of what you call this "movement", Jesus came for all.

Correct...Jesus was a Jew, but he mainly came to offer salvation for the gentiles because the Jews weren't really spreading it. But he offered salvation for the Jews as well...but remember God has an eternal covenant with the Jews as it is.

[ShamashDon]

Arghh does this mean bacon and hot dogs are out? That would be a real bummer dude...


Not really. There is always turkey bacon, which is great. You can also find beef bacon. It's really hard to find though.

And there are plenty of companies that produce kosher hot dogs, such as Hebrew National, etc.

[traderdave]

Fortunately for us, in this dispensation of God's grace, nationality is irrelevant. Are we Jews spiritually? I think we are sons and daughters of the Kingdom spiritually. The fact that God has opened the door to the nations doesn't make us Jewish, but it does make us all related.

Gal 3:26-29
26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
NIV

[mont974x4]

Thank God and praise Him that we are grafted in.

[christianmomof3]

And there are plenty of companies that produce kosher hot dogs, such as Hebrew National, etc.
I like the slogan for Hebrew National. It is "We answer to a Higher Authority."
My kids like the hot dogs too. :)

[mont974x4]

BTW, I think it was Acts chapter 11 or 12 (?) that covers the diference between Jew and Gentile believers as to what is expected of us.


Jay

[Tavita]

(2Co 10:5 NASB) We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,

To read the Scriptures with an Hebraic mindset is to read as one under the old covenant.

Some say that because Messiah was Jewish, having a Jewish mindset should be the way we should think. But I challenge the thought that Jesus is STILL ‘Jewish’. He is a brand new man, the firstfruit of a new creation... isn't that the purpose of the Feast of Firstfruits, to teach us that He is the first offering of a new creation?

(Col 3:11) a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.

(Gal 6:15 NASB) For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.


If anything, He is ‘Israel’, Judah being only one tribe of Israel. And no, the Jews do not include all the tribes of Israel, they are the tribe of Judah, there may be a scattering of the other tribes within them, but basically they are Judah. The other ten tribes were lost in the Diaspora, 735BC.

Isa 49:3) He said to Me, "You are My Servant, Israel, In Whom I will show My glory."

HE, is Israel, and if we are all grafted into the one vine then we have 'the mind of Christ'. Jesus also being the Head of the Body.

After putting on the ‘mind of Messiah’, we must learn to walk in the Spirit, allowing Jesus in us to lead and direct, and to walk ‘listening to and obeying’ His Spirit. We can still study Torah, but now we must see with the mind of Messiah how to translate Torah into the ‘new and living way’. Torah is now written on the heart, Holy Spirit can take of that Torah to lead and guide from within and not from without. And He can do that with anyone regardless of what culture they are in.

(Heb 10:20) by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh,

[Outlander]

Well, unless you are ethnically Jewish,...

What does it mean to be "ethnically" Jewish in the 21st century?

[mont974x4]

The same thing it's always meant...a person of Jewish ancestry.

[Tildyd]

Jesus was a Jew AND the first Christian :)

[mont974x4]

I was thinking the same thing and then I remembered the definition of Christian is one who follows Christ. Does He follow Himself?

Jesus as a man was a Jew but He is also God and beyond our earthly ideals and ethnic limits.

[flyingsum0]

Not really. There is always turkey bacon, which is great. You can also find beef bacon. It's really hard to find though.

And there are plenty of companies that produce kosher hot dogs, such as Hebrew National, etc.

Yuk

[Knight]

So what was the point of the original post???

I looked and could not find one anywhere.

[Svt4Him]

o read the Scriptures with an Hebraic mindset is to read as one under the old covenant.

Really? So to read it with a Western mindset is somehow more free? I think we miss so much because we don't realize or read the Bible with a Hebraic mindset, including the culture, idioms and parables.

[mont974x4]

SVT I agree. I have enjoyed reading the insights of Jewish believers..Arnold Fruchtenbaum is challenging and insightful, IMO.


I have even asked questions of Messianics here on CF.


It helps to put things in historical and cultural context.

[Tavita]

Really? So to read it with a Western mindset is somehow more free? I think we miss so much because we don't realize or read the Bible with a Hebraic mindset, including the culture, idioms and parables.


There is a great difference between learning to understand the cultural background, idioms, etc, of the Jews in understanding the scriptures and having a 'Jewish or Hebraic' mindset. I became involved in the Hebrew Roots movement over a period of three years and was urged to gain this Jewish mindset, and I did, in one day I 'changed' my mind to see everything from this perspective. It further led me to go under Torah, and adopt a Jewish lifestyle. It took months for me to come out of it, and the thing the Lord impressed upon me the most was that He did not require me to have this mindset but that I needed to have HIS mindset to understand the scriptures. It is quite beneficial to learn the customs and idioms of the times etc, as I said, but you don't need a Jewish mindset to learn. I also learned a great deal from the Messianics during that time and I'm thankful for the wealth of knowledge they have, and still refer to it at times.

[Svt4Him]

There is a great difference between learning to understand the cultural background, idioms, etc, of the Jews in understanding the scriptures and having a 'Jewish or Hebraic' mindset. I became involved in the Hebrew Roots movement over a period of three years and was urged to gain this Jewish mindset, and I did, in one day I 'changed' my mind to see everything from this perspective. It further led me to go under Torah, and adopt a Jewish lifestyle. It took months for me to come out of it, and the thing the Lord impressed upon me the most was that He did not require me to have this mindset but that I needed to have HIS mindset to understand the scriptures. It is quite beneficial to learn the customs and idioms of the times etc, as I said, but you don't need a Jewish mindset to learn. I also learned a great deal from the Messianics during that time and I'm thankful for the wealth of knowledge they have, and still refer to it at times.

Whereas I've studied from a Hebrew mindset and found truth hidden in Scripture, and have no desire to go back under the law. Not only that, but I've found the Western mindset to be the biggest hindrance to spreading the gospel than anything else. We're very individualistic, and in a culture of entitlement.

[Tavita]

Whereas I've studied from a Hebrew mindset and found truth hidden in Scripture, and have no desire to go back under the law. Not only that, but I've found the Western mindset to be the biggest hindrance to spreading the gospel than anything else. We're very individualistic, and in a culture of entitlement.


Ahh.. so now you're saying the Hebraic mindset is more free. So tell me, how did you 'gain' this Hebraic mindset?