Should Gay Marriage be legalized? (2)

[John 10:10]

Homosexuals are asking that governments define and sanction their unions as marriage. When governments and laws do not do so, some courts and individuals do so in clear violation of law.

Governments are instituted by the people for the people. When people institute governments which institute constitutions and laws, the people should abide by those constitutions and laws; otherwise you have lawlessness. That's what governments are for. If homosexuals wish to have governments change our laws concerning marriage, do so within the framework of the governing principle of law, not by violating the law because you don't agree with it.

Many homosexuals choose to leave their lifestyle and not be practicing homosexuals, just as many heterosexuals choose not to have promiscuous sex with many partners and commit to one partner in the marriage relationship for life.

[staveoffzombies]

First of all, the Church does not belong to me it belongs to God. Second of all, do you live in a cave? What do you call a gay minister? Are they not forcing themselves on God's Church, and boldly waving their sin in the face of God? Who do you think gets married in a church with a gay minister?

And not only are they invading the Church with their wickedness they are invading the public schools preaching their abominable ways as holy before the Lord, to 5 and 6 year olds.

WAKE UP! Lest the the Lord come as a thief in the night and catch you unaware!

Fine, then confront them from one church to another, don't get the government involved. And are you really telling me that we should be telling kids in a PUBLIC school that we should hate homosexuals?

What I've been saying this whole time is to confront them on a personal and religious level, not on a government-wide level. You are determined to legislate to get your own way.

[Floatingaxe]

If I can't, or won't, have children, am I being "anti-family"? Am I going against families in any way?

And is a "married" homosexual couple more "anti-family" than if they were just "shacking up"?

Are we all commanded to have offspring? Do you see homosexuality as a threat to humanity?


1. In my view--yes. But as you are unmarried, it's a good thing.

2. A "married" homosexual couple is just as antifamily as if they were "shacking up", except the "marriage" is more of a mockery of God Almighty.

3.Yes, we are commanded to be fruitful and multiply. The desire is innate.

4. Homosexuality is a Satanic invention where he has stepped in the way of God's perfect design for mankind. He profaned sexuality--anything to profane God is okay with Satan! He wants us all dead and doesn't think twice to pervert what God has made good, making it a thing of disgust.

[Floatingaxe]

I think it is a disgrace to compare sexual deviance to being born black. That they would disgrace the civil rights movement that the black people in this nation fought for, like Martin Luther King, and Rosa Parks because they were treated differently because of their skin color.

Sexual preferences have no place in a civil rights capacity. If you want to act like you went to the school of Joan Crawford, and you are a man, expect to be looked at funny. But THAT has NOTHING to do with what you do in your bedroom. It is an adopted behavior. A choice.

Just like it is for someone to color their hair lime green or put ten piercings on their face.

If you act weird, you will be given weird looks. (which is why people do those things anyway, is to be noticed because what they really want is love, but they go about it in a way that doesn't get them what they really want.)


And it doesn't give anyone the right to force their sex lives onto society. Or demand special privileges and rights because of their deviance.

If I have an awful birthmark on my face that causes discrimination, that is unfair treatment.

If I choose to get a tattoo over half of my face, this does not afford me civil defense. I chose to receive the weird looks because I am presenting myself in a weird way.

Is there any reason why the whole world has to know what your sexual preference is?

(you and your are meant in general terms. I am not talking to YOU personally)

Why does the world have to award you with something for it?



Amen, sister! :thumbsup:

After all the pain and suffering that previous generations of African Americans have undergone, to suggest that the antipathy that the homosexual suffers is anywhere near that in scope is ludicrous and stupid.

[Floatingaxe]

Not true. Peole are born that way, whether you feel like admitting or not.





Wow! Is there proof now? Tell us what that proof is.

No one is born that way! God doesn't play silly games like that, telling us not to do something and then make it genetically impossible for us to comply!

Christians, wake up. Stop being ignorant. If you won't stand up for righteousness, than you are standing up for a perversion. Satan is laughing at you.

[IamRedeemed]

I'm not telling you anything. I am not casting another pearl or giving another holy thing to you.

For the record, I don't hate homosexuals as individual people. I do hate satan and his deceptions though, and I hate it when those who call themselves sons and daughters of Christ eat from his table.



Fine, then confront them from one church to another, don't get the government involved. And are you really telling me that we should be telling kids in a PUBLIC school that we should hate homosexuals?

What I've been saying this whole time is to confront them on a personal and religious level, not on a government-wide level. You are determined to legislate to get your own way.

[IamRedeemed]

Not only that, they weren't born gay. To believe that God would create people to be that which is abominable to Him so He could damn them is absolutely ridiculous. That is not the God of the Bible!

Amen, sister! :thumbsup:

After all the pain and suffering that previous generations of African Americans have undergone, to suggest that the antipathy that the homosexual suffers is anywhere near that in scope is ludicrous and stupid.

[IamRedeemed]

Amen. Christians who preach the devil's messages, make a mockery of the cross of Christ and then think they are going to hear the words, "Well done thy good and faithful servant, enter ye into my rest." :cry:

The devil is a such a liar and deceiver!!! :mad:

Wow! Is there proof now? Tell us what that proof is.

No one is born that way! God doesn't play silly games like that, telling us not to do something and then make it genetically impossible for us to comply!

Christians, wake up. Stop being ignorant. If you won't stand up for righteousness, than you are standing up for a perversion. Satan is laughing at you.

[John 10:10]

Fine, then confront them from one church to another, don't get the government involved. And are you really telling me that we should be telling kids in a PUBLIC school that we should hate homosexuals?

What I've been saying this whole time is to confront them on a personal and religious level, not on a government-wide level. You are determined to legislate to get your own way.
Excuse me! Societies for milleniums have defined marriage as the union between one man and one woman. Homosexuals are the ones who wish to have it their own way and define marriage differently.

Teaching kids in public schools that homosexual lifestyles practiced by only 5% of the population is good and acceptable has no place in public schools.

[IamRedeemed]

Homosexuality is a Satanic invention where he has stepped in the way of God's perfect design for mankind. He profaned sexuality--anything to profane God is okay with Satan! He wants us all dead and doesn't think twice to pervert what God has made good, making it a thing of disgust.

Amen! It is just one of his numerous lies to steal kill and destroy mankind and cause their souls to be separated forever from God and be with him. Misery loves company and Satan's miserable end has been written. Those that choose his ways, and his paths, and eat from his table, will receive the same reward he is going to get, as they prove themselves to be the enemies of God.

[IamRedeemed]

Amen John 10:10!

Homosexuals are asking that governments define and sanction their unions as marriage. When governments and laws do not do so, some courts and individuals do so in clear violation of law.

Governments are instituted by the people for the people. When people institute governments which institute constitutions and laws, the people should abide by those constitutions and laws; otherwise you have lawlessness. That's what governments are for. If homosexuals wish to have governments change our laws concerning marriage, do so within the framework of the governing principle of law, not by violating the law because you don't agree with it.

Many homosexuals choose to leave their lifestyle and not be practicing homosexuals, just as many heterosexuals choose not to have promiscuous sex with many partners and commit to one partner in the marriage relationship for life.

[staveoffzombies]

Not only that, they weren't born gay. To believe that God would create people to be that which is abominable to Him so He could damn them is absolutely ridiculous. That is not the God of the Bible!

Well considering God allows people to be born into areas where Chrisitianity is almost non-existent, or into Atheist families, or any other myriad of possibilities........

Oh that's right...gays can't possibly be Christians, I forgot...silly me.

[staveoffzombies]

Not only that, they weren't born gay. To believe that God would create people to be that which is abominable to Him so He could damn them is absolutely ridiculous. That is not the God of the Bible!

Well considering God allows people to be born into areas where Chrisitianity is almost non-existent, or into Atheist families, or any other myriad of possibilities........

Oh that's right...gays can't possibly be Christians, I forgot...silly me.

This argument is still so ridiculous. The law is going to change eventually, whether you like it or not. So really, the question is already solved...gay marriage will be legalized, you'll all have conniptions and proclaim the end of the world...and the rest of us will get on with our lives.

[Floatingaxe]

Well considering God allows people to be born into areas where Chrisitianity is almost non-existent, or into Atheist families, or any other myriad of possibilities........

Oh that's right...gays can't possibly be Christians, I forgot...silly me.

This argument is still so ridiculous. The law is going to change eventually, whether you like it or not. So really, the question is already solved...gay marriage will be legalized, you'll all have conniptions and proclaim the end of the world...and the rest of us will get on with our lives.


We who know God will be on our knees before Him, worshipping Him like never before as He deserves!

You, of course will go on as if nothing happened, or else that a great coup has been made! NOT! Couldn't be farther from the truth, which is that the Antichrist is on his way, and we will be raptured outta here, leaving the disobedient and the wishy-washy behind.

[IamRedeemed]

None of those factors you name leaves a person without hope of being saved.
Nor does those scenarios help to justify your heresies.

Are you a poser?




Well considering God allows people to be born into areas where Chrisitianity is almost non-existent, or into Atheist families, or any other myriad of possibilities........

Oh that's right...gays can't possibly be Christians, I forgot...silly me.

This argument is still so ridiculous. The law is going to change eventually, whether you like it or not. So really, the question is already solved...gay marriage will be legalized, you'll all have conniptions and proclaim the end of the world...and the rest of us will get on with our lives.

[staveoffzombies]

My HERESIES?!

Excuse me, what have I said that was heretical? Have I stated my stance on homosexuality? No, I haven't. I've stated my stance on basic human rights. Within the church we have every right to make what laws we choose, but not in a secular state. I've said that time and time again, yet all you seem to be capable of doing is heaping accusations on my head.

Edit: Plus, how on earth would that be a Heresy, even if I did express support for the homosexual agenda? I'm pretty sure Heresies are big things, like denying Christ...not something like this.

[John 10:10]

Well considering God allows people to be born into areas where Chrisitianity is almost non-existent, or into Atheist families, or any other myriad of possibilities........

Oh that's right...gays can't possibly be Christians, I forgot...silly me.
Any sinner can become a Christian.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor 6:9-11)

[IamRedeemed]

[quote=staveoffzombies;35377163My HERESIES?!

Excuse me, what have I said that was heretical?
That God created people to be homosexual, which is what you are saying when you say, against God's revealed Word that they are "born that way."

Have I stated my stance on homosexuality? No, I haven't. I've stated my stance on basic human rights. Within the church we have every right to make what laws we choose, but not in a secular state. I've said that time and time again, yet all you seem to be capable of doing is heaping accusations on my head.

Here's a thought for you to ponder:
Jesus never ceased to be God, when He walked in the body of a man. Neither should we cease to be Disciples of the Lord and the Sons and Daughters of the Lord when we leave the Church building. "We" are the Church. "We" are the Temples of the Holy Ghost.

~Selah

Edit: Plus, how on earth would that be a Heresy, even if I did express support for the homosexual agenda? I'm pretty sure Heresies are big things, like denying Christ...not something like this.

(you may be technically guilty of blasphemy actually, but at the least heresy)

And don't get upset with me, your own words betray you.

See my sig.

[IamRedeemed]

Amen John 10:10!

Any sinner can become a Christian.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor 6:9-11)

[John 10:10]

My HERESIES?!

Excuse me, what have I said that was heretical? Have I stated my stance on homosexuality? No, I haven't. I've stated my stance on basic human rights. Within the church we have every right to make what laws we choose, but not in a secular state. I've said that time and time again, yet all you seem to be capable of doing is heaping accusations on my head.

Edit: Plus, how on earth would that be a Heresy, even if I did express support for the homosexual agenda? I'm pretty sure Heresies are big things, like denying Christ...not something like this.
You don't seem to get who has the right to make the laws each state or country makes. Laws are made by the form of government each state or country establishes, unless you want a dictator to rule over you. In America, if homosexuals can get 50.1% of the people to agree with them, they can change the laws in any constitutional manner they choose. Until then, everyone should abide by the laws enacted by the other 50.1%+.

[staveoffzombies]

(you may be technically guilty of blasphemy actually, but at the least heresy)

And don't get upset with me, your own words betray you.

See my sig.


Honestly, I'm not even sure WHAT you're talking about anymore. Not sure where you pulled blasphemy from...it's certainely not from anything I said. Not sure how my words betray me either, my words say exactly what I want them to say.

[staveoffzombies]

You don't seem to get who has the right to make the laws each state or country makes. Laws are made by the form of government each state or country establishes, unless you want a dictator to rule over you. In America, if homosexuals can get 50.1% of the people to agree with them, they can change the laws in any constitutional manner they choose. Until then, everyone should abide by the laws enacted by the other 50.1%+.
Right, I fully understand this. I'm not debating on how the process works in this country. This is more of a debate on personal feelings on the matter.

Obviously right now I'm still in the minority on the issue, for now. I can accept the fact that this is how things work here....my whole debating here is debating for the minority position..which is growing in the country. I feel that whether or not I personally believe homosexual marriage is against the Bible, I shouldn't have the right to enforce that belief on others. I try to live by the adage: "I may not agree with what you do, but I'll fight to the death your right to do it"

And I've been trying to keep my cool here...but being accused of heresy, blasphemy, etc...when time and time again I haven't said anything to warrant such a personal attack, tends to put me in an agitated state.

[John 10:10]

Right, I fully understand this. I'm not debating on how the process works in this country. This is more of a debate on personal feelings on the matter.

Obviously right now I'm still in the minority on the issue, for now. I can accept the fact that this is how things work here....my whole debating here is debating for the minority position..which is growing in the country. I feel that whether or not I personally believe homosexual marriage is against the Bible, I shouldn't have the right to enforce that belief on others. I try to live by the adage: "I may not agree with what you do, but I'll fight to the death your right to do it"

And I've been trying to keep my cool here...but being accused of heresy, blasphemy, etc...when time and time again I haven't said anything to warrant such a personal attack, tends to put me in an agitated state.
Now we are on the same page. Laws must be respected and obeyed, unless we must yield to God's higher law. Ungodly men sometimes make ungodly laws, and civil disobedience is warranted in these special instances.

I'm reminded of a phrase in "America The Beautiful" which says, "Thy (God's) liberty in law." That's what our founding fathers tried to do when they established the US Constitution. We have strayed far from that founding principle, especially when judges make law from the bench instead of letting legislatures do what the constitution dictates.

Yes, you have kept your cool better than others on this issue. Let's debate the issues, and leave personal attacks out of this discussion.

Blessings

[IamRedeemed]

I do not see where there were any attacks on one's person, but rather on what one has been said against the Word of God, while claiming to be one of His. And the Truth being spoken regarding that. This may not be a problem for you or others, but God has declared it to be a problem where He is concerned. Attributing the devil's work to God is blasphemy, calling God a liar is also Blasphemy. I was being conservative when I called it heresy.

And I don't see where any one got out of hand or lost their cool and went on a rampage and attacked anyone. Scripture did most of the talking.

Romans 16:17-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2016:17-18;&version=9;): Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

2 Timothy 3:2-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%203:2-5;&version=9;) For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

The following came from this Bible Study http://www.acts17-11.com/conviction.html

A false prophet is one who represents God's word incorrectly. When we speak on behalf of our God, are we saying what He wants, or are we promoting our own program under His banner? False prophets are more interested in making friends than disciples, more interested in pleasing men than God. If we falsely represent what God requires, we not only encourage others to reject God's message, but we share in the judgment of those we have failed to convict of sin.

Eze 3:18-19 (NIV) "When I say to a wicked man, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself."
Eze 3:20-21 (NIV) "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself."
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At the end of the day, I don't care if I am on the side of the majority or the side of the minority, as long as the side I am on, is the same side as God, and if you claim to be one of His, you should feel the same way.

[IamRedeemed]

site was bogging.....duplicate post

[staveoffzombies]

I do not see where there were any attacks on one's person, but rather on what one has been said against the Word of God, while claiming to be one of His. And the Truth being spoken regarding that. This may not be a problem for you or others, but God has declared it to be a problem where He is concerned. Attributing the devil's work to God is blasphemy, calling God a liar is also Blasphemy. I was being conservative when I called it heresy.


I haven't said a single thing against God. Please demonstrate to me how I could have possibly done so.

[IamRedeemed]

I haven't said a single thing against God. Please demonstrate to me how I could have possibly done so.


In Post #245, you claimed that homosexuals are born homosexual, "Not true. Peole are born that way, whether you feel like admitting or not." which is not in alignment with God's will, God's ways, or God's Word. Therefore you are attributing/crediting a perversion of God's will, God's ways and God's Word, that was created by satan for that purpose, to God's account by claiming they were born helplessly abominable to the Lord and beyond the reformation of Christ.

added: You are also calling God a liar, because He said He doesn't change. In addition, you are calling Him unfaithful, because as I said, you are claiming that He created a culture of human beings that are made to be abominable in His sight, and made them beyond the reformation of Christ, therefore He created them to burn in hell.

This is a blasphemous and anti-Christ belief by the nature of it.

[staveoffzombies]

added: You are also calling God a liar, because He said He doesn't change. In addition, you are calling Him unfaithful, because as I said, you are claiming that He created a culture of human beings that are made to be abominable in His sight, and made them beyond the reformation of Christ, therefore He created them to burn in hell.

This is a blasphemous and anti-Christ belief by the nature of it.


First off, how is a homosexual beyond the reformation of Christ? Secondly, God allows everyone to be born with a sin nature, I don't see how this is different.

Basically you've stated that the loving grace of God isn't enough to cover homosexuals. Seems to me I'm not the one claiming things contrary to Scripture.

[Floatingaxe]

First off, how is a homosexual beyond the reformation of Christ? Secondly, God allows everyone to be born with a sin nature, I don't see how this is different.

Basically you've stated that the loving grace of God isn't enough to cover homosexuals. Seems to me I'm not the one claiming things contrary to Scripture.


We are indeed born with a sin nature, and no one needs to teach us how to sin. We do it naturally. BUT we are not born with genetic marker that causes us to sin! Homosexuality is not genetic. God doesn't tell us to avoid certain sins and then make it impossible to avoid them!

Homosexuality and other deviancies are all constructs of the enemy who wants to see us dead--Satan.

[staveoffzombies]

We are indeed born with a sin nature, and no one needs to teach us how to sin. We do it naturally. BUT we are not born with genetic marker that causes us to sin! Homosexuality is not genetic. God doesn't tell us to avoid certain sins and then make it impossible to avoid them!

Homosexuality and other deviancies are all constructs of the enemy who wants to see us dead--Satan.
So if someone is homosexual by nature then it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to still live a life of celibacy? Because that's the impression I'm getting by reading your post.

Or are you saying that just the fact that a person may find themselves attracted to people of the opposite sex...that alone is a horrible sin?

[Floatingaxe]

So if someone is homosexual by nature then it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to still live a life of celibacy? Because that's the impression I'm getting by reading your post.

Or are you saying that just the fact that a person may find themselves attracted to people of the opposite sex...that alone is a horrible sin?


Celibacy is not the answer. Freedom, healing and victory is!

Your impression is incorrect.

[IamRedeemed]

[quote=staveoffzombies;35409959]First off, how is a homosexual beyond the reformation of Christ?
It isn't. It is completely reformable by Christ, because it is not from Him as they were not created by God that way.

Secondly, God allows everyone to be born with a sin nature, I don't see how this is different.

We are born with the original stain of sin, and a sinful nature, because of the fall of Adam and Eve, (which was also satan's doing and not God's doing) but we aren't born sinning or living a lifestyle that is abominable in the eyes of God. That is how it is different.

Basically you've stated that the loving grace of God isn't enough to cover homosexuals. Seems to me I'm not the one claiming things contrary to Scripture.

No, I didn't say that at all.

If God created them that way, then they wouldn't be able to repent and be changed would they?

Could I repent for being born black or Spanish or Indian or Caucasian if any of those races were abominable to the Lord?

By YOUR logic that is what it would have to take, (since you say they are born homosexual), and that is not possible therefore by YOUR logic how could they be saved if they were created to be damned?

Thanks be to God, your logic is WRONG.

I know they can be saved, and they can be changed, but not until they acknowledge that homosexuality is sin and repent.

None of us can be saved until we acknowledge our sins and repent. That is the way it works.

[IamRedeemed]

[quote=staveoffzombies;35410716]So if someone is homosexual by nature then it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to still live a life of celibacy? Because that's the impression I'm getting by reading your post.

They are not homosexual by nature so why should they have to live a life of celibacy? :scratch:
Once they repent and Jesus delivers them from the bondage of satan, the stronghold of homosexuality that has them bound in their minds and hearts and their minds and hearts are renewed by the blood of Jesus and His Word and He, who is the author of Love and is the giver of gifts and all things that are good, who made the gift of intimacy between a man and a woman who are espoused to one another, gives them the desire to have a spouse (of the opposite sex of course) and fulfills that desire by giving them a spouse, just like you have a spouse and I have a spouse, why would you even imagine that they would be bound to a single and lonely life by repenting and choosing Christ? :confused:

Sure hope that's not the hope you are telling them they have to look forward to if they turn to Jesus! :eek:

Or are you saying that just the fact that a person may find themselves attracted to people of the opposite sex...that alone is a horrible sin?

And no, Jesus did say however, to look at a person with lust in your heart does make you guilty of adultery as if you had actually had sex with them though.

Attraction is not a sin. Lust is though.

[Strongdad]

Attraction is not a sin. Lust is though.

Ok, just a little clarification please IAR...

So with your statement I would gather that homosexual tendencies and urges are not sin - but the physicality and homosexual lust is the sin...

Correct?

[holo]

1. In my view--yes. But as you are unmarried, it's a good thing.How exactly is a couple without children "anti-family"? Are you "anti-celibacy" by having sex with your husband?

2. A "married" homosexual couple is just as antifamily as if they were "shacking up", except the "marriage" is more of a mockery of God Almighty.So loose relationships would be better (less bad)?

BTW, were you born heterosexual?

[IamRedeemed]

Hi Strongdad,

Thank you for your question. The answer truly applies to all of us in general, not just homosexuals.

Having said that, Homosexuality is a more than a sin. It is a actually a stronghold. Like with any other sin, if we play with it too long, it becomes a stronghold.
(just like any addiction can be)

The Bible tells us that sin starts as a thought, and when the thought is meditated on, it leads to lust, (which means it goes from the mind to the heart) which is then temptation, and temptation left unchecked leads to sin, and when the sin is complete it leads to death.

If your thought is for instance that you think a person is pretty or handsome, that is not a sin, but you would be treading on a tempting thought if your thought is "that person is HOT!" And what you do with that thought at that point is very important.

James 1:13-15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%201:13-15;&version=9;)
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

This is why we are instructed to bring our thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ and to guard our hearts.

Proverbs 4:23 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%204:23;&version=51;)
Guard your heart above all else, for it determines the course of your life.

2 Corinthians 10:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%2010:5;&version=9;)
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;



Ok, just a little clarification please IAR...

So with your statement I would gather that homosexual tendencies and urges are not sin - but the physicality and homosexual lust is the sin...

Correct?

[IamRedeemed]

Everyone is born heterosexual. God made them male and female. (for male)

God made Eve for Adam. He did not make any other. And He has made it abundantly clear that
deviation from His intent for mankind is abominable to Him, therefore it is not possible for anyone to have
been born deviate.


How exactly is a couple without children "anti-family"? Are you "anti-celibacy" by having sex with your husband?

So loose relationships would be better (less bad)?

BTW, were you born heterosexual?

[Floatingaxe]

How exactly is a couple without children "anti-family"? Are you "anti-celibacy" by having sex with your husband?

So loose relationships would be better (less bad)?

BTW, were you born heterosexual?


You sure love to twist things. I wonder, where is the unity? You seem to be against everything that is holy, holo, having dealt with you before on matters of sexuality.

God places the innate desire to procreate in us. We are to obey it. It is unnatural for people to not want children.

Loose relationships? What? I said any homosexual relationship is an abomination--whether the godless government says it is a marriage or not! There is no "better"!

**FYI: We are ALL born heterosexual--don't be obtuse, holo.

[holo]

You sure love to twist things.Not twisting, just asking.

I wonder, where is the unity? You seem to be against everything that is holy, holoThis, however, is more like twisting. "Disagreeing with Floatingaxe" is twisted into being "against everything that is holy."

God places the innate desire to procreate in us. We are to obey it. It is unnatural for people to not want children.No, it's not. Some people don't even feel much of a desire for sex. It's rare, but it happens. And a lot of people, especially men it seems, have no desire to have children.

Loose relationships? What? I said any homosexual relationship is an abomination--whether the godless government says it is a marriage or not! There is no "better"!Looser relationships aren't better, but same-sex marriage is still worse... :)

**FYI: We are ALL born heterosexual--don't be obtuse, holo.Just asking. Some people say we're born "neutral" and some say that people choose to be homosexual.

[Floatingaxe]

holo:
Some people don't even feel much of a desire for sex. It's rare, but it happens. And a lot of people, especially men it seems, have no desire to have children.

Unnatural. A relationship with Jesus Christ brings healing to that errant attitude.

[Floatingaxe]

holo:

"Disagreeing with "Floatingaxe" is twisted into being "against everything that is holy."




Not at all. Whenever you have been presented with God's Word in the matter of sexuality, you greet it with a tap dance routine. Maybe not so much the "twist", but perhaps, "tapping" is your talent! ^_^

You can disagree with me all you wish, but I am only presenting you with the Word of God. Take it up with Him. I am not afraid of being wrong. I want the Lord to show me if I am so I CAN be right in Him. So, as you can see, your little barb means little.

[brothersean]

A homosexual is NOT beyond the ability of Christ to be reformed into salvation. However, as a part of receiving Jesus Christ as the Lord and Saviour of his or her life, this sort of behavior, must be discontinued in favor of a lifestyle that pleases God. I don't understand why people keep wondering about the question of homosexuals and salvation, when the Bible, in both the Old Testament and New Testament, clearly states that homosexuals are sinning and will not be saved.

[brothersean]

As for legalization. No. It should not be legalized, as we as Christians are supposed to stand up against sin and wicked ways and preach God's Word to all people.

Homosexuality, is a sin. We are Christians, freed from and standing opposite to, sin. Therefore, we should not vote for any sort of legalization of homosexual marriage or the so-called "civil unions"

[holo]

holo:
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Unnatural. A relationship with Jesus Christ brings healing to that errant attitude.

I've had a close relationship with Christ for years, and it hasn't changed my desire for kids one bit. But being in a steady relationship with a woman who will become a great mother, does produce a certain desire for it, yes. And possibly my age too, though that is much mora apparent in females.

[holo]

holo:


[FONT=Georgia]Not at all. Wheneveyou have been presented with God's Word in the matter of sexuality, you greet it with a tap dance routine. Maybe not so much the "twist", but perhaps, "tapping" is your talent!And there we see your unbelievable arrogance. Not only is your view on things synonymous with "God's word", but even your opinions about normal human desires are synonymous with what happens when people are in a relationshipo with Christ.

[staveoffzombies]

So..and let me make sure I'm getting this right. According to some of you.everyone is born 100% heterosexual, but no natural leaning towards homosexuality at all?

I just want to be sure this is what you believe.

[Floatingaxe]

So..and let me make sure I'm getting this right. According to some of you.everyone is born 100% heterosexual, but no natural leaning towards homosexuality at all?

I just want to be sure this is what you believe.


Natural leanings? Why should there be? There is no such thing!

Oh, the taint of the world is on us, folks! We are to avoid it, and the very appearance of evil. See why? :sigh: :sigh: :sigh:

[pgp_protector]

Natural leanings? Why should there be? There is no such thing!

Oh, the taint of the world is on us, folks! We are to avoid it, and the very appearance of evil. See why? :sigh: :sigh: :sigh:
Are you saying that there's no natural (I.E. Found in nature) leanings towards Homosexuality (Or any Same Sex actions) ?

[Floatingaxe]

Are you saying that there's no natural (I.E. Found in nature) leanings towards Homosexuality (Or any Same Sex actions) ?


Not in humanity, the creation of God in His own image.

[pgp_protector]

Not in humanity, the creation of God in His own image.
So in Humans it's not Natural, but for the rest of nature it is natural. Ok, go it.

[IamRedeemed]

Hi brothersean,

It is evidenced by the 1st sentence in your post that you must have read a portion of the conversation and drew the wrong conclusion. Please read further back for what was truly said. That is what one would have to believe in order to believe that God made people homosexual, which He didn't, so therefore that would be a lie also, and you are right.

I agree with your post 99%. They can be saved, but they cannot have salvation AND homosexuality, it is one or the other. (which is what I think you probably meant anyway, but just thought I would clarify it)
And that goes for ALL lifestyles of sin. If we think we can have salvation, and love the Lord with all of our hearts, minds and strength and love for the things of this world also, we deceive ourselves, as I have said and shown the Scriptures for several times in this thread.

A homosexual is NOT beyond the ability of Christ to be reformed into salvation. However, as a part of receiving Jesus Christ as the Lord and Saviour of his or her life, this sort of behavior, must be discontinued in favor of a lifestyle that pleases God. I don't understand why people keep wondering about the question of homosexuals and salvation, when the Bible, in both the Old Testament and New Testament, clearly states that homosexuals are sinning and will not be saved.

[staveoffzombies]

I agree with your post 99%. They can be saved, but they cannot have salvation AND homosexuality, it is one or the other.


Wow. So every person who is saved suddenyl doesn't sin anymore, is that it? Or is homosexuality just this special SUPER SIN that God doesn't forgive.

[IamRedeemed]

Are you speaking from the spirit of God or from your carnal mind?

What is repentance, if it is not turning your back on the former things, and turning your heart toward the things of God?

Please reread the post. If you love the Lord and walk in a spirit of repentance you will NOT have a LIFESTYLE of sin.
In fact, it would be impossible! As you cannot serve two masters, just as Jesus said.

This is not the same as you will never commit a sin.

Wow. So every person who is saved suddenyl doesn't sin anymore, is that it? Or is homosexuality just this special SUPER SIN that God doesn't forgive.

[staveoffzombies]

Are you speaking from the spirit of God or from your carnal mind?

What is repentance, if it is not turning your back on the former things, and turning your heart toward the things of God?

Please reread the post. If you love the Lord and walk in a spirit of repentance you will NOT have a LIFESTYLE of sin.
In fact, it would be impossible! As you cannot serve two masters, just as Jesus said.

This is not the same as you will never commit a sin.
Ok, here's an example then. I enjoy beer, it's a passion of mine, and I've drank and reviews over 100 different beers. It's a hobby that I love. Now, according to how I read scripture, drinking in moderation is not a sin.

Let's say that somehow I'm wrong, and that I've been committing sins willfully, although I didn't think it was a sin.

Now let's take someone who is homosexual buts gets saved. According to many peoples interpretation of Scripturee, homosexuality isn't wrong. Now let's say a homosexual person is now saved, and still living as a homosexual, because according to their interpretation it's not wrong. SO, although they are committing a sin...in their mind they aren't. They are merely misguided.

Are they saved if they are truly placing their trust in Jesus, OR are they not? I don't think that's up for you to decide, but I'm sure you'll tell me anyways.

[IamRedeemed]

You are right. It is not up to me to decide.
However, it has already been decided by God and written in His Word, so that we would not be ignorant to it.

So, what does the Word say? Does it say that homosexuals will enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Does it say that Liars will enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Does it say that adulterers and fornicators will enter the Kingdom of Heaven? What about the covetous? Will they enter? Read the Word and see what God has revealed concerning His judgment on these things, but I think you already know what He has said, don't you?


And....you are not saved by placing your trust in Jesus Christ.

You are saved by repenting for your sin, turning your back on your sin and receiving His blood sacrifice and death in your place and following Him for the rest of your days.


Ok, here's an example then. I enjoy beer, it's a passion of mine, and I've drank and reviews over 100 different beers. It's a hobby that I love. Now, according to how I read scripture, drinking in moderation is not a sin.

Let's say that somehow I'm wrong, and that I've been committing sins willfully, although I didn't think it was a sin.

Now let's take someone who is homosexual buts gets saved. According to many peoples interpretation of Scripturee, homosexuality isn't wrong. Now let's say a homosexual person is now saved, and still living as a homosexual, because according to their interpretation it's not wrong. SO, although they are committing a sin...in their mind they aren't. They are merely misguided.

Are they saved if they are truly placing their trust in Jesus, OR are they not? I don't think that's up for you to decide, but I'm sure you'll tell me anyways.

[staveoffzombies]

You are right. It is not up to me to decide.
However, it has already been decided by God and written in His Word, so that we would not be ignorant to it.

So, what does the Word say? Does it say that homosexuals will enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Does it say that Liars will enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Does it say that adulterers and fornicators will enter the Kingdom of Heaven? What about the covetous? Will they enter? Read the Word and see what God has revealed concerning His judgment on these things, but I think you already know what He has said, don't you?


And....you are not saved by placing your trust in Jesus Christ.

You are saved by repenting for your sin, turning your back on your sin and receiving His blood sacrifice and death in your place and following Him for the rest of your days.
Well, I told a lie the other day. Guess I'm out then huh? I don't think you even read my post...or at least you didn't comprehend it.

[IamRedeemed]

Yes, I read it. Not once but twice. And I answered accordingly. Perhaps not in the manner you had hoped for.

And this post, begs to ask the question I asked in the last one.
Are you speaking from the spirit of God or from your carnal mind?

I couldn't tell you if you will be in heaven or not, but I can tell you that based on my extended conversations with you that I am concerned that there is a good chance you could endure the Great Tribulation. (adlib: if there is no change in your heart between now and then and you are alive at the time)

Please take a look at the letter from Christ to the Laodicean Church in the Book of Revelation.


Well, I told a lie the other day. Guess I'm out then huh? I don't think you even read my post...or at least you didn't comprehend it.

[staveoffzombies]

Well I'm glad that where I end up is up to God and not you.

[IamRedeemed]

The reason I am concerned for you, that if there isn't a change that there's a good chance that you may endure the Great Tribulation (unless of course as I said, you are not alive then) is because of what the Word of God says. It doesn't have anything to do with my personal thoughts. I am no one of myself. But God did not leave us with no way of having knowledge and wisdom on these things. He even sent His Holy Spirit to lead us and guide us into all truth and tell us of things to come.

The Word of God says that "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom."

Please read Jesus' letters to the Churches in Revelation.
Please pay special attention to the Church of Laodicea.

May the Holy Spirit be with you as you read it. In fact please invite Him to guide you as you read it that you may and get knowledge and get understanding, directly from the Lord.


PS. Where you end up is not up to God, it is up to YOU. He gave us the handbook and showed us the way. We have to follow the path that He lit up for us, if we want to end up at the desired destination. His Word is a Lamp unto your Feet and a Light unto Your Path.
But only if you read it and heed it. To use it otherwise, makes it just a book.

Well I'm glad that where I end up is up to God and not you.

[staveoffzombies]

Well, if it will help you rest easy I have put my trust soley on Jesus redemtive power and daily I pray and strive to become a more Godly person. When (and if) the Tribulation occurs, I won't be there.

[Floatingaxe]

The reason I am concerned for you, that if there isn't a change that there's a good chance that you may endure the Great Tribulation (unless of course as I said, you are not alive then) is because of what the Word of God says. It doesn't have anything to do with my personal thoughts. I am no one of myself. But God did not leave us with no way of having knowledge and wisdom on these things. He even sent His Holy Spirit to lead us and guide us into all truth and tell us of things to come.

The Word of God says that "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom."

Please read Jesus' letters to the Churches in Revelation.
Please pay special attention to the Church of Laodicea.

May the Holy Spirit be with you as you read it. In fact please invite Him to guide you as you read it that you may and get knowledge and get understanding, directly from the Lord.


PS. Where you end up is not up to God, it is up to YOU. He gave us the handbook and showed us the way. We have to follow the path that He lit up for us, if we want to end up at the desired destination. His Word is a Lamp unto your Feet and a Light unto Your Path.
But only if you read it and heed it. To use it otherwise, makes it just a book.



Good post! :thumbsup:

[Peregrino]

Christians across different denominations differ greatly about this. Some are inspired by the spirit of the letter, and others want to be literal.

I for one agree with the spirit of the letter, which is love and openness to all. I believe that the Bible says a lot of things, and that many are not willing to follow Paul in Corinthians:


5: but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head -- it is the same as if her head were shaven. 6: For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. 7: For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8: (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9: Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) 10: That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.


... but are extra-stringent upon gay people.

Jesus spoke many words against those who would throw on others the words of the Law like stones, but curiously spoke nothing of gays as such.

----

Either way, both sides have scriptural support. The important detail all Christians must agree with -and it's what many fail to do- is love Gay people, which is Jesus's way.

"Oh, I love my fellow man, but I can't stand "f----ts" (gay people)" or saying they love people even though they're gay, but bash them whenever they get the chance or nearly die if their child turns out to be one, as if it was THE sin (oh, but their own sins are all petite and "forgiveable").

[alaskanpenguin]

um- gays are just like everybody else

[Floatingaxe]

Christians across different denominations differ greatly about this. Some are inspired by the spirit of the letter, and others want to be literal.

I for one agree with the spirit of the letter, which is love and openness to all. I believe that the Bible says a lot of things, and that many are not willing to follow Paul in Corinthians:



... but are extra-stringent upon gay people.

Jesus spoke many words against those who would throw on others the words of the Law like stones, but curiously spoke nothing of gays as such.

----

Either way, both sides have scriptural support. The important detail all Christians must agree with -and it's what many fail to do- is love Gay people, which is Jesus's way.

"Oh, I love my fellow man, but I can't stand "f----ts" (gay people)" or saying they love people even though they're gay, but bash them whenever they get the chance or nearly die if their child turns out to be one, as if it was THE sin (oh, but their own sins are all petite and "forgiveable").


You can forget about equating instructions for church behaviour with the behaviour of those outside the Church.

Spirit-filled Christians do not bash homosexuals. We love them as we would love all sinners. We abhor the sin they commit, as we are supposed to. We also abhor those who push the agenda.

There is no "scriptural support" for them. Why would Jesus have anything specific to say about such people? They are included with all sinners. They are, if unrepentant, outside of the Body of Christ and will remain so until such time as they repent and come to Christ. You cannot walk with Him and partake of such perversion unrepentingly.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality

[alaskanpenguin]

i love the way how people misuse the bible to prove their point

[pgp_protector]

i love the way how people misuse the bible to prove their point
Then call them on the error & point it out and how they misused it.

[Floatingaxe]

i love the way how people misuse the bible to prove their point


Alright young lad, show us how the Word of God is misused...

[Floatingaxe]

How much plainer can God be?

Romans 1:18-32

God’s Anger at Sin

But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.
So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

[IamRedeemed]

It may appear that Christians are "extra stringent" on gay people, but that isn't the case. It is the not the people we are "extra stringent" against.

It would be no different for murderers or child molesters, or those who want to be sexually active with their pets, for instance. If they decided to have parades, teach our children in schools that murdering and child molesting, and being sexually active with your pet, is not only okay with God, but is a natural way of life that needs to be tolerated by society, and lobby our government to rewrite the murder laws and child molestation laws, and lobby to make beastiality legal and throw anyone in jail that speaks against it, so that they could murder and molest children freely and commit deviate sexual acts with their pets, without retribution, and then in addition want to attempt to rewrite the laws and ways of God to suit themselves, become ministers, preach to others that these things are okay with God, and lead people on a path that leads to eternal destruction, the opposition would be the of the same caliber.

(please don't miss the point and start taking this off into a different direction by trying to explain the differences between gays and murderers or child molestors or those who commit beastiality as that is NOT the point of the example.)

The point is the opposition they would get from the Christian community would be just the same.

We are not commanded to love sin. We are commanded to hate sins. Jesus did not love the sins. In fact His example when He healed people and showed them love, He also told them to "GO AND SIN NO MORE." He never condoned the sins or showed that He would look the other way. That is what repentance is all about, and loving Jesus.

Jesus said, "Why do you call me Lord and do not things which I say?" Luke 6:46 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%206:46;&version=9;)

If we love Him, we will not take His cross and treat is as no big deal and go on living the same way as
though the truth was never discovered.

Matthew 7:21-29 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:21-29;&version=9;)
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?


And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.


And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.


And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes."


Now as far as the Literal Content of the Bible, let me ask you, how have you determined which portions you will heed to and take literally and which portions you don't?

Have you decided it is all one big metaphorical book? Because if so, you may want to consider some of these facts from the Bible, as they all LITERALLY came to pass.

Did God Literally take the earth which was without form and create a habitat to sustain life? YES

Did God Literally create Adam from the dust of the earth? YES
Did God Literally create Eve from one of Adam's ribs? YES
Did God Literally kick Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden?YES
Do humans Literally Die now? YES
Did God Literally flood the earth, destroying all life except the life within the Ark?YES
Did God Literally destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?YES
Did Abraham as God promised Literally have a son with the wife of his youth, Sarah, in their old age?YES
Did God Literally plague egypt with plagues to cause Pharoah to let His people go? YES
Did God Literally Part the Red Sea? YES
Did God Literally place a pillar of cloud by day to protect the Israelites from the hot desert sun, and a pillar of fire at night for 40 years? YES And Manna from Heaven? YES

We could go on and on in the Old Testament and I have barely scratched the surface.

Is Jesus Literally God come in the flesh? YES
Was Jesus Literally Born of a Virgin? YES
Did Jesus Literally cast out devils? YES
Did Jesus Literally Heal people of diverse diseases? YES
Did Jesus Literally cause the blind to see? YES
Did Jesus Literally cause the deaf to hear? YES
Did Jesus Literally cause the lame to walk? YES
Did Jesus Literally replace body parts of a leper, and make him whole? YES
Did Jesus Literally raise the dead? YES
Was Jesus Literally beaten to a pulp and Crucified? YES
Did Jesus Literally Rise from the Dead and remain on the earth for 40 days? YES
Did He Literally EAT and DRINK with the Disciples during that time? YES
Did Jesus Literally Ascend into Heaven? YES
Is Jesus Literally seated at the right hand of the Father? YES
Did Jesus Literally send us His Holy Spirit? YES
Do you believe that Jesus is Literally coming back? YES
Will those of us who are in Christ Literally be saved and be given Eternal Life Literally?YES

(of course this barely scratches the surface of the New Testament as well, but you get the idea)



Christians across different denominations differ greatly about this. Some are inspired by the spirit of the letter, and others want to be literal.

I for one agree with the spirit of the letter, which is love and openness to all. I believe that the Bible says a lot of things, and that many are not willing to follow Paul in Corinthians:



... but are extra-stringent upon gay people.

Jesus spoke many words against those who would throw on others the words of the Law like stones, but curiously spoke nothing of gays as such.

----

Either way, both sides have scriptural support. The important detail all Christians must agree with -and it's what many fail to do- is love Gay people, which is Jesus's way.

"Oh, I love my fellow man, but I can't stand "f----ts" (gay people)" or saying they love people even though they're gay, but bash them whenever they get the chance or nearly die if their child turns out to be one, as if it was THE sin (oh, but their own sins are all petite and "forgiveable").

[alaskanpenguin]

ok- wow- we have a few people in this forum with room temperature iq

The bible was not written by god- it was written by white heterosexual men who would write down stories that their parents told them

Now, some of the bible can be taken literally, but not all of it

Did he literally part the red sea? no
Were they trying to say to believe in a higher level and hope and have dreams? maybe

The bible is not law, although some of you would like to think that

With homosexuals, the people who wrote the book were very prejudiced at that time.

There were slaves in the bible, too. IF you read about the civil war, you might find out that that was morally wrong.

You really have to think beyond the words and look for the meanings.

[Floatingaxe]

ok- wow- we have a few people in this forum with room temperature iq

The bible was not written by god- it was written by white heterosexual men who would write down stories that their parents told them

Now, some of the bible can be taken literally, but not all of it

Did he literally part the red sea? no
Were they trying to say to believe in a higher level and hope and have dreams? maybe

The bible is not law, although some of you would like to think that

With homosexuals, the people who wrote the book were very prejudiced at that time.

There were slaves in the bible, too. IF you read about the civil war, you might find out that that was morally wrong.

You really have to think beyond the words and look for the meanings.


I discern you need Jesus. Repent and know Him as Saviour first. Then come and argue these points, as you will be given understanding by God Himself about His Word to you.

[IamRedeemed]

Amen. God's Word reigns, God Reigns, everything that looks to lift itself up higher than the voice and Word of God will be made low and cast into outer darkness, tossed into the fire. God is righteous. God is holy. If we think that the Love of God will prevent Him from judging the wickedness in this earth, we deceive ourselves. God knew beforehand that He WILL judge the wickedness of this earth. That is why He sent the world a SAVIOR.

The Work of the Cross and the Power of the Holy Spirit to overcome wickedness, makes the world to have no excuse in the eyes of God. Those that choose not to choose the Way that He made, through His Son, Jesus Christ, will perish.

Just as those will perish who say they choose Christ, but to do not follow Him. If we choose Christ and continue living as we always did, (however that is, and this message is for ALL not just homosexuals), then we have deceived ourselves. Homosexuals have more than a sin problem. It is a stronghold and they need deliverance. They cannot stop just by making a choice to stop as the sin is a spiritual bondage and has currently overcome them in their current state. The first and foremost thing any of us has to do, is determine to receive the Word of God as truth over whatever we think we know. Once we do that, we have prepared our hearts. Once a homosexual comes into agreement with God on the matter, they are in a position now, to be delivered, and can be prayed for and expect to be made free. We deceive ourselves if we think we are going to make the Word of God conform to us. We must conform to God and His Word, by washing the filth of unrighteousness in our minds with the Word of His Righteousness and replace our ways with His by obedience, otherwise we deceive ourselves as our hearts are not pure before the Lord as we show we have no desire to follow Him, we only honor Him with our lips.


"Why do you call me Lord and do not the things which I say?"
Luke 6:46 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%206:46;&version=9;)

"Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
Matthew 15:7-9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2015:7-9;&version=9;)


Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:21;&version=9;)


James 1:21-22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%201:21-22;&version=9;)

Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.


How much plainer can God be?

Romans 1:18-32 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:18-32;&version=9;)

God’s Anger at Sin

But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.
So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

[pgp_protector]

I discern you need Jesus. Repent and know Him as Saviour first. Then come and argue these points, as you will be given understanding by God Himself about His Word to you.
Must be nice to know who needs & doesn't need to repent & know Jesus.

[alaskanpenguin]

when you die you go to the dirt

[pgp_protector]

Must be nice to know who needs & doesn't need to repent & know Jesus.

when you die you go to the dirt

Ok, maybe I was wrong.

[alaskanpenguin]

im not religious, i just believe in doin what is morally right

[*Starlight*]

I discern you need Jesus. Repent and know Him as Saviour first. Then come and argue these points, as you will be given understanding by God Himself about His Word to you.

Hi :wave: This little guy REALLY wants you to click on him.

Click Me Please! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

[IamRedeemed]

Yes, He did LITERALLY part the Red sea! Praise the Lord!

Where did you get the idea that He didn't literally part the Red Sea?


ok- wow- we have a few people in this forum with room temperature iq

The bible was not written by god- it was written by white heterosexual men who would write down stories that their parents told them

Now, some of the bible can be taken literally, but not all of it

Did he literally part the red sea? no
Were they trying to say to believe in a higher level and hope and have dreams? maybe

The bible is not law, although some of you would like to think that

With homosexuals, the people who wrote the book were very prejudiced at that time.

There were slaves in the bible, too. IF you read about the civil war, you might find out that that was morally wrong.

You really have to think beyond the words and look for the meanings.

[alaskanpenguin]

i got that in a book that would be full of facts- there's no geological evidence

[Floatingaxe]

when you die you go to the dirt


Absolutely! Our bodies decompose and return whence they derived.

Spiritually, we go to God--if we are known by Him. Tjose outside of God who refuse His salvation go to await their Judgment.

One day, however, we will all ressurect bodily--the righteous with new forever glorified bodies to live and reign with Jesus in Heaven, and thoe unrighteous with forever bodies to be sentenced to forever torment in the Lake of Fire.

It's a choice. What is yours, penguin?

[pgp_protector]

Yes, He did LITERALLY part the Red sea! Praise the Lord!

Where did you get the idea that He didn't literally part the Red Sea?


Some will argue that it was the Sea of Reeds

[alaskanpenguin]

i just think that bugs will decompose you and that that will be the end of you

[alaskanpenguin]

i just think that bugs will decompose you and that that will be the end of you

also, if your body is already dead, and that is the part that has nerve endings, who cares if you are in a lake of fire?

[Floatingaxe]

Hi :wave: This little guy REALLY wants you to click on him.

Click Me Please! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)


Lazy!

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? Is that your tactic? ;)

[alaskanpenguin]

what does that even mean?

[*Starlight*]

Lazy!

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? Is that your tactic? ;)
No, but you made an ad hominem argument, and I just pointed it out. Instead of countering the arguments given by alaskanpenguin, you attacked the person. :P

[pgp_protector]

i just think that bugs will decompose you and that that will be the end of you

also, if your body is already dead, and that is the part that has nerve endings, who cares if you are in a lake of fire?
So No Heaven or Hell from your Point Of View ?

[alaskanpenguin]

nope- you go back to the soil and help make the soil rich in nutrients.

[IamRedeemed]

Ok, maybe I was wrong.


ROFL!! :-) ^_^

[alaskanpenguin]

whats so funny about that?

[Floatingaxe]

No, but you made an ad hominem argument, and I just pointed it out. Instead of countering the arguments given by alaskanpenguin, you attacked the person. :P


You call offering salvation to someone who is clearly a non-believer an attack???????? Hardly!

ROFL!

[alaskanpenguin]

hey man i don't go shoving my views in your face.

[pgp_protector]

hey man i don't go shoving my views in your face.
Well you are in the Christian Only section, though you yourself admit that you don't follow the sites definition of Christian.

[SteelDisciple]

Yo. I figured I'd jump into the conversation.

Should Gay marriage be legalized (ie, should you support it with your vote)
Answer: No.

Why?
Answer: Because God is against it, therefore you, sharing in spirit with the Lord should be against it too.

Life is better when you don't over-complicate.
'Nuff said.

[Floatingaxe]

hey man i don't go shoving my views in your face.


You talking to me? :scratch:







My IQ is room temperature, ya know!








Who's shoving what? ^_^ ^_^ ^_^

[alaskanpenguin]

hey bro- ill just list you

steeldisciple- youre so close minded- youd fit perfectly with the bush administration

and floating axe

i never said that your iq wasn't room temperature

[SteelDisciple]

hey bro- ill just list you

steeldisciple- youre so close minded- youd fit perfectly with the bush administration

and floating axe

i never said that your iq wasn't room temperature


Actually, that's an interesting statement you just made. :) You're saying i'm close-minded because of what I believe...but by saying that, you're being close-minded because you're saying everyone needs to believe what you do on a subject.

Oh and if that was just an example...then take my comment as a general comment.hehe (I don't get the floating axe comment?)

[alaskanpenguin]

its not a matter of beliefs

fine ill use the bible

it says to to treat everbody nice, pretty much the golden rule

by giving certain people certain privelages, you take away that rule

[SteelDisciple]

its not a matter of beliefs

fine ill use the bible

it says to to treat everbody nice, pretty much the golden rule

by giving certain people certain privelages, you take away that rule


Actually, treating people nice and supporting something that goes against your beliefs are two different things.
You can still be NICE to homosexuals and be friends with them...but you don't have to support their choices.

there's a big difference between accepting they've made a choice and out right supporting it...problem in america is we forget that and confuse that. In america you can't just accept...you HAVE to support or you get ragged on. That's not how it should be.

[alaskanpenguin]

god didn't write the bible- white heterosexuals did

[Floatingaxe]

its not a matter of beliefs

fine ill use the bible

it says to to treat everbody nice, pretty much the golden rule

by giving certain people certain privelages, you take away that rule


What privileges? Marriage is a privilege? No--it is an ordinance instituted by God for one man and one woman to become one flesh.

It is not a priviledge that can extendable to any others.

The "golden rule" does not apply. In fact, if you want to apply something like that, it doesn't work at all, because the joining of homosexuals is offensive, and offenses should be avoided because of that very "rule".

[alaskanpenguin]

you really think god made that rule up?
try the medieval church, which did, by the way, also behead people
why are gays offensive?
What the hell?
they didn't do anything to you?
why should you care how they live their lives?

[Floatingaxe]

god didn't write the bible- white heterosexuals did


Non-white, righteous, Jewish, heterosexual men penned the Word, yes...as God inspired every word. :clap:


Get over yourself. You've posted that twice now. :doh:

[alaskanpenguin]

god inspired everyword- ok

oh yeah- who did he talk to again?

[Floatingaxe]

you really think god made that rule up?
try the medieval church, which did, by the way, also behead people
why are gays offensive?
What the hell?
they didn't do anything to you?
why should you care how they live their lives?


They can live however they want, but don't force me to accept it as normal. I won't, because God doesn't.

We care, because God loves them and wants a relationship with them. He can't if sin is barring the way. We, as believers want to show them that way, but because it is such a deep-seated sin, people who are into that life-style have bought the lie completely.

It takes a real miraculous work of God for one of these people to see the Truth of Jesus.

[Floatingaxe]

god inspired everyword- ok

oh yeah- who did he talk to again?


I think it is something like 40 authors wrote 66 books.

[alaskanpenguin]

im not talking about religious marriage- that is the religions cl*sterf*ck
im talking about them able to recieve to same benefits from the government that heterosexuals do

[alaskanpenguin]

40 authors all saw one thing from the same point of view
hmmm....

[pgp_protector]

40 authors all saw one thing from the same point of view
hmmm....
I think you may want to study up on the history of the Bible.

[Floatingaxe]

im not talking about religious marriage- ... (Staff Edit) ...
im talking about them able to recieve to same benefits from the government that heterosexuals do


Please watch your language.

Why should they receive any benefit of something they cannot do? If they want to be deviant, be deviant, but marriage is for one man and one woman.

They are a bunch of cry-babies wanting what they cannot have, like a kid having a tantrum because his buddy has an ice-cream cone and he doesn't.

[Floatingaxe]

40 authors all saw one thing from the same point of view
hmmm....


Yes, because they were speaking God's heart in unity over hundreds of years. A miraculous thing. No "book" has ever done that but the Bible.

[alaskanpenguin]

Oh yeah the things they cannot do-
like adopting and raising a child
contributing to the community
WHAT DO YOU MEAN CANNOT DO?

[alaskanpenguin]

So you admit that it was over hundreds of years/languages, so the translation could have been messed up?

The bible is just an old leather bound book with some fun fables, collecting dust and taking up space in my basement.

[alaskanpenguin]

let me guess- your'e a bush supporter- don't forget my two responses above this one

[Peregrino]

god didn't write the bible- white heterosexuals did

Nothing whiter than a near-eastern Hebrew! :doh:

[Quantos]

I'm smelling a troll in the area

[alaskanpenguin]

what's your point? you do admit that they were prejudiced though, right?

[alaskanpenguin]

you think a troll would put in over 100 posts? im speaking my mind- an odd thing to do for a christian

[pgp_protector]

So you admit that it was over hundreds of years/languages, so the translation could have been messed up?

The bible is just an old leather bound book with some fun fables, collecting dust and taking up space in my basement.

when you die you go to the dirt

i just think that bugs will decompose you and that that will be the end of you

god didn't write the bible- white heterosexuals did

god inspired everyword- ok

oh yeah- who did he talk to again?

you think a troll would put in over 100 posts? im speaking my mind- an odd thing to do for a christian


Strange set of postings .

[alaskanpenguin]

way to take things out of context pgp

[pgp_protector]

way to take things out of context pgp
If you say so.

[alaskanpenguin]

um... yeah i said so- what does that even mean?

[alaskanpenguin]

my dad is a better programmer than you.

[Floatingaxe]

So you admit that it was over hundreds of years/languages, so the translation could have been messed up?

The bible is just an old leather bound book with some fun fables, collecting dust and taking up space in my basement.


No---with all those odds against it speaking the same unified message over all those years and with all those writers, it is a miracle!

It is obvious that nothing has been messed up!

If the bible in your possession is some dusty book in your basement, then you don't know what you are talking about here.

[pgp_protector]

my dad is a better programmer than you.
That's nice.

There are quite a few programmers that are better than me.

[alaskanpenguin]

at least i don't put my storybook up on a pedastoll. whatever- forget that.

What don't heterosexual marriages do that homosexual marriages don't do?

[alaskanpenguin]

what can straight couples do that gay couples can't do? You mentioned earlier that gays don't deserve the government's marriage benefits cause they are gay.

[pgp_protector]

what can straight couples do that gay couples can't do? You mentioned earlier that gays don't deserve the government's marriage benefits cause they are gay.
Simple Biology would tell you produce offspring in normal circumstances.

[alaskanpenguin]

um- its called adoption- there are millions of homeless kids

[alaskanpenguin]

what the hell does producing have to do with receiving government benefits? Isn't bringing a child out of poverty and raising them just as good?

[Floatingaxe]

what can straight couples do that gay couples can't do? You mentioned earlier that gays don't deserve the government's marriage benefits cause they are gay.


They can't have these rights because they have no right to marry. If the government wants to give them some rights concerning inheritances or pensions, then go ahead, but don't give them marriage! It's ridiculous.

[pgp_protector]

what the hell does producing have to do with receiving government benefits? Isn't bringing a child out of poverty and raising them just as good?
You ask "what can straight couples do that gay couples can't do?"
I just answered it.

[alaskanpenguin]

so are you saying that straight couples deserve more credit just because they have a penis and a vagina?

[Floatingaxe]

what the hell does producing have to do with receiving government benefits? Isn't bringing a child out of poverty and raising them just as good?


Please tone down your language. We are adults here, even if you aren't.

Reproducing is inherent in family. No organs compatible with that? No family. No marriage.

These people don't have the wherewithal to raise a healthy child. I don't care what anyone says about that--they don't.






PS: There are no penguins in Alaska! :doh:

[Floatingaxe]

so are you saying that straight couples deserve more credit just because they have a penis and a vagina?


We have a cash-only marriage...

One mortgage, no debt.

[alaskanpenguin]

im 18- a legal adult

You don't need to give birth to somebody to consider them part of your family

wherwithal is not a word

and yes- they are able to raise a healthy child, probably more healthy than a stubborn old mother could do- cause they tend to have more COMPASSION for others

IF two ladies adopted a boy, shouldn't they also get money for him? Aren't you being unfair to the boy?


ANd PS- I know that- it was just a fun thing to show that im different

[pgp_protector]

so are you saying that straight couples deserve more credit just because they have a penis and a vagina?
The amount of Credit a family gets is normally based on there income level & there debt ratio.
But you'll have to take that up with the banks & credit card companies.

[alaskanpenguin]

i mean credit as in work

Oh yeah- and pgp and floating axe, [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]s, inconsiderate morons who f*ck donkeys for a living,
suck my balls

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[alaskanpenguin]

rot in hell- [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] this

[Floatingaxe]

im 18- a legal adult

You don't need to give birth to somebody to consider them part of your family

wherwithal is not a word

and yes- they are able to raise a healthy child, probably more healthy than a stubborn old mother could do- cause they tend to have more COMPASSION for others

IF two ladies adopted a boy, shouldn't they also get money for him? Aren't you being unfair to the boy?


ANd PS- I know that- it was just a fun thing to show that im different



It says that you are 14.

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You are assuming an unrealistic viewpoint. Generally these people are more unstable than the general population, as are their relationships. No kids for them. They cannot demonstrate sexual morality in the first place. Nor teach children about God rightly.

[pgp_protector]

Um we can't view files that are on Your Harddrive. :)

Though given the apparent anger in the post, I think I may be glad that I can't see them.

[pgp_protector]

Out of over 190,000 Members, you've made the second one on my ignore list.

[IamRedeemed]

Have mercy! I can see why! I have never added anyone to my ignore list anywhere, but he has demonstrated a good reason to be the 1st!

Out of over 190,000 Members, you've made the second one on my ignore list.

[pgp_protector]

Have mercy! I can see why! I have never added anyone to my ignore list anywhere, but he has demonstrated a good reason to be the 1st!
Hard to believe that my first posting back in this thread this month was trying to defend them :(

Ah well live & learn

[IamRedeemed]

Amen brother. :o It is those who are ever learning but never able to come to the Truth that are scary.

God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. I can testify that I believe that you are one of the humble.
God bless you.

PS. We ALL make mistakes, but not all of us admit it! I praise and thank God for you. :-)


PPS. This ignore feature is a beautiful thing! Congratulations Alaskanpenguin, you are the first ever
to be the recipient of my ignore option!

Hard to believe that my first posting back in this thread this month was trying to defend them :(

Ah well live & learn

[pgp_protector]

Amen brother. :o It is those who are ever learning but never able to come to the Truth that are scary.

God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. I can testify that I believe that you are one of the humble.
God bless you.



PS. This ignore feature is a beautiful thing! Congratulations Alaskanpenguin, you are the first ever
to be the recipient of my ignore option!


Thanks, but I've still got a way to go :)

I can be a stubborn old fool

But my blessings are at home right now (Wife & Kids are my blessings the greatest thing that ever happened to me)

[serephim02]

Should it be legalized NO. Will it be proabably.
For those who say its not a sin, I say they are just trying to justify their sins.



How come he hasnt been banned yet? I thought posting pornagraphy was supposed to merit a perma ban?

[IamRedeemed]

Hey! We all do!! I just added another note to my last post to say that we ALL make mistakes but not all of us admit it, so I praise and thank God for you!

Thanks, but I've still got a way to go[/CODE] :)

I can be a stubborn old fool

But my blessings are at home right now (Wife & Kids are my blessings the greatest thing that ever happened to me)

[dimwhitt]

homosexuality is wrong because
its unethical
its unhealthy
its unnatural


those countries that have legalized homosexual marriage have found a drastic drop in the number of heterosexual marriages and birth-rates in addition to the fact that only about 1% of homosexuals avail themselves of marrying (homosexuals constitute less than 3% of the total population in most western countries)

Oh
and God condemns it in the OT and NT

[Adoniram]

Just thought I'd let you guys know, I sent in a report about alaskanpenguin's post #389. I felt that it in particular was way over the top.

[serephim02]

Lol so did I. That was a disgusting pic.

[Floatingaxe]

Lol so did I. That was a disgusting pic.


Me three...

[IamRedeemed]

Me three...

So did I! lol!

[IamRedeemed]

Good news is the member admitted they erred.
Praise the Lord!

God bless you Floatingaxe. You are a beacon for Jesus!

[IamRedeemed]

LOL! True! I can't believe this person (AP) is still posting!

Praise God for the ignore feature as I no longer have to see his trash!

The amount of Credit a family gets is normally based on there income level & there debt ratio.
But you'll have to take that up with the banks & credit card companies.

[serephim02]

Wheres he posting? I havent put him on ignore.

[IamRedeemed]

The USA is not a democracy. It is a Republic.

But then you should fight to outlaw EVERYthing that is sin. Like divorce, worshiping different Gods, being atheist, and so forth.

You could do that, but not in a democracy.

But then again, you can say no to worshiping false gods, for example, without demanding that everybody else does.

[IamRedeemed]

Hi Seraphim02, :wave:God bless you. I don't know exactly as I have him on ignore, but I see new responses to him from others who have quoted him, so it led me to believe that he was still posting.



Wheres he posting? I havent put him on ignore.

[Lludmila]

Homosexuals are already getting married every day. Why the discussion?

[IamRedeemed]

The Title of this Thread is
" Should Gay Marriage be legalized?"
That's why the discussion. ;)



Homosexuals are already getting married every day. Why the discussion?

[serephim02]

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[pgp_protector]

You may of not seen it, it was deleted in a thread clean up, but I did apologize & state that it looks like you were right.

Please forgive me.

[Floatingaxe]

You may of not seen it, it was deleted in a thread clean up, but I did apologize & state that it looks like you were right.

Please forgive me.


That's alright, hon...it wasn't even you! :hug:

[*Starlight*]

They dont have the right to get married.

They have just as much right as heterosexuals, it's just that some people won't admit it.

BECAUSE americans have to vote for it to be legalized. You can whine and moan for gay marriage, that doesnt mean it will happen.

It was the same with Americans and interracial marriage. Just because some stubborn people used to vote against it, it doesn't mean that they didn't have the right to get married.

When the american people come to the agreement to ok it than it will happen, til then. No I hope it doesnt happen.

That statement sounds like wishing harm towards another person... Imagine that you're married, and suddenly there was some law which declared your marriage invalid and you couldn't do anything about it. How would you feel? I guess most people would feel hurt by it.

You can call me evil, bigoted, a savage but the simple fact is its a sin.

Fact? That's not a fact, that's your personal opinion. In the same way I could say "it's a simple fact that the Earth is flat" or "it's a simple fact that posting on CF is a sin". And it would make exactly the same sense.
Those who say otherwise are just trying to justify their lack of sexual control.

:doh: What? Umm... look. Whoever told you that you have special telepathic super-powers and you can read the minds of other people, lied to you. You couldn't make that sentence even more wrong no matter how hard you tried. But I'll use it as an opportunity to tell you about facts. Here are some examples:

Fact 1: I'm heterosexual.
Fact 2. I've never had sex and I don't plan to have sex anytime soon.
Fact 3: I disagree with your statement that homosexuality is a sin.

These three facts put together logically contradict your statement that those who don't agree with you about homosexuality are "just trying to justify their lack of sexual control". Can you see how?

I have no doubt it will be legalized but I will not be voting for it. I will vote it down every single time.

And I'm very happy it's going to be legalized. But I'm not happy to see another person voting against someone else's happiness.

Awaits stones and flames.
My post wasn't "stones and flames", it's just that your post was so wrong that I had to say something. :)

[serephim02]

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[serephim02]

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[Floatingaxe]

They have just as much right as heterosexuals, it's just that some people won't admit it.

It was the same with Americans and interracial marriage. Just because some stubborn people used to vote against it, it doesn't mean that they didn't have the right to get married.

That statement sounds like wishing harm towards another person... Imagine that you're married, and suddenly there was some law which declared your marriage invalid and you couldn't do anything about it. How would you feel? I guess most people would feel hurt by it.

Fact? That's not a fact, that's your personal opinion. In the same way I could say "it's a simple fact that the Earth is flat" or "it's a simple fact that posting on CF is a sin". And it would make exactly the same sense.

:doh: What? Umm... look. Whoever told you that you have special telepathic super-powers and you can read the minds of other people, lied to you. You couldn't make that sentence even more wrong no matter how hard you tried. But I'll use it as an opportunity to tell you about facts. Here are some examples:

Fact 1: I'm heterosexual.
Fact 2. I've never had sex and I don't plan to have sex anytime soon.
Fact 3: I disagree with your statement that homosexuality is a sin.

These three facts put together logically contradict your statement that those who don't agree with you about homosexuality are "just trying to justify their lack of sexual control". Can you see how?

And I'm very happy it's going to be legalized. But I'm not happy to see another person voting against someone else's happiness.

My post wasn't "stones and flames", it's just that your post was so wrong that I had to say something. :)


Insight from Discordia? :scratch:

It doesn't matter that you think homosexuality is not