Racism in the church

[ministerofyuth]

After being victim of comments made by a professing christian after he visited our church I have come to realize that racism comes in all kinds of forms. If you look up racism in Webster's dictionary you will find that it pertains to some group or sect that believes they are superior than others. If you check in Webster's about the word race you will see it pertains to a family, group, country or even an organization that all thinks the same or lives the same. This person made friendly with all of us then went home and made comments about our church having "too many black people" in it and having other people in it he didn't agree with. This guy used to go to our church and I truthfully expected those things from him. But I also came to realize that this type of racism goes deeper than just skin color. Some churches have people in them that don't like the youth, don't like the babies, don't like the children, don't like the older saints, don't like the music, don't like the way the preacher preaches, or even more so just seem to not be happy with anything the church has to offer so they make rude comments continually. Lately it was said of our church to another member "did you get to go to church today or was it just another big nursery". Then these same people make various comments on the music our church plays. Some don't like the fact we don't have any hymns and some of the same family think the music we play isn't hip enough. One makes fun of our band because our Christian Rock Band he says isn't really a ROCK band, because we aren't heavy metal. It's apparent nothing can please and it's sad that they are not the only family that gets into these ruts. The church would grow at a rapid pace if we could get this type of racism out of it.

If you look at John 4 1-31 and the example Jesus set you will see he broke the racism barrier big time. Not only does Jesus talk to a woman but He talks to a Samaritan woman. She is so shocked by it she even asks Jesus why He speaks to her. Then the disciples show up and they are too shocked Jesus is talking to a Samaritan woman. Can you just see this. It's like OH NO, He's talking to a harlot....but Jesus just keeps on witnessing and when it's all said and done if you look in verses 38-40 Jesus not only talks to this one Samaritan woman but ends up talking to many Samaritans and winning them over! :bow:

That's how we really need to be as the church. Forget about the differences and just look at the souls and do our best to win them to Christ.:thumbsup:

End racism in the church. Imitate Christ like the word says and work to obtain the mind of Christ. That's my mission because to me everyone is worth it.:amen:

[jsimms615]

After being victim of comments made by a professing christian after he visited our church I have come to realize that racism comes in all kinds of forms. If you look up racism in Webster's dictionary you will find that it pertains to some group or sect that believes they are superior than others. If you check in Webster's about the word race you will see it pertains to a family, group, country or even an organization that all thinks the same or lives the same. This person made friendly with all of us then went home and made comments about our church having "too many black people" in it and having other people in it he didn't agree with. This guy used to go to our church and I truthfully expected those things from him. But I also came to realize that this type of racism goes deeper than just skin color. Some churches have people in them that don't like the youth, don't like the babies, don't like the children, don't like the older saints, don't like the music, don't like the way the preacher preaches, or even more so just seem to not be happy with anything the church has to offer so they make rude comments continually. Lately it was said of our church to another member "did you get to go to church today or was it just another big nursery". Then these same people make various comments on the music our church plays. Some don't like the fact we don't have any hymns and some of the same family think the music we play isn't hip enough. One makes fun of our band because our Christian Rock Band he says isn't really a ROCK band, because we aren't heavy metal. It's apparent nothing can please and it's sad that they are not the only family that gets into these ruts. The church would grow at a rapid pace if we could get this type of racism out of it.

If you look at John 4 1-31 and the example Jesus set you will see he broke the racism barrier big time. Not only does Jesus talk to a woman but He talks to a Samaritan woman. She is so shocked by it she even asks Jesus why He speaks to her. Then the disciples show up and they are too shocked Jesus is talking to a Samaritan woman. Can you just see this. It's like OH NO, He's talking to a harlot....but Jesus just keeps on witnessing and when it's all said and done if you look in verses 38-40 Jesus not only talks to this one Samaritan woman but ends up talking to many Samaritans and winning them over! :bow:

That's how we really need to be as the church. Forget about the differences and just look at the souls and do our best to win them to Christ.:thumbsup:

End racism in the church. Imitate Christ like the word says and work to obtain the mind of Christ. That's my mission because to me everyone is worth it.:amen:
I enjoyed what you had to say and agree with you. I think if we could ever get our minds wrapped around how much God loves every single person and died for them then we wouldn't have racism of any kind.
I knew a teen who was turned away from a small country church in Texas because he had piercings and a tattoo. Others are shunned because their hair is too long or the wrong color. It is sad to see how petty some people are.

[bithiah2]

it is sad, i agree.:cry:
but as long as you have people, there will be some who will allow that spirit and mind to be part of their lives. there will always be racism, sexism, classism, fascism, all all other 'isms' as long as we have people who continue to practice the works of the flesh. Gal 5: 19-26.
good for you,:thumbsup: that you have chosen not to be a part of this action and that you want to do God's will. that is all that matters. just do His will and pray for the rest.
bithiah2

[tturt]

agree with you guys.

[sebastian]

great post, it's challenged me (not that I'm a racist, but i can be critical.)
"...The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart." (1 Samuel 16:7)

[arielette]

I believe believers are the church. If people reject their brothers and sisters on the basis of personal prejudice of any kind, they reject Christ, which is by the Holy spirit in that believer. As for what goes on in a "church service", to me that is just mostly religion.

[Moonlight Lady]

Great post. :thumbsup:


...And I agree with Bithiah: there will always be racism, sexism, classism, fascism, and all other 'isms' as long as we have people who continue to practice the works of the flesh.

We must just be vigilant in playing our part and praying that such acts be reduced greatly.

[StevenL]

Here in Louisiana, USA, our religious groups are still very much divided by race. In a "white" church, though, you'll see a small smattering of "blacks", and in some "black" churches", you'll see a few "whites." There's not much interest here in integrating the religious gatherings. I think I've been to a "black" church once in my life.....not out of hatred.....but just because "that's the way it is." I don't see it changing within the foreseeable future.

[spiritfilledjm]

Agree with everything here. But racism is basically a mixture of pride and fear. People are always afraid of what's different but don't want to show it and so they make themselves feel better by belittling the thing that they are afraid of.

[hopeinGod]

In the 50s, the parts of the country where I was raised, in PA and MO, had minimal integration. Overall the blacks kept to themselves as did the whites, except where livelihoods crossed.

To get to a large shopping area, which back then was not called a "mall," one had to pass through the black section of a PA county. As kids, we shared a general lack of trust, and a sense of caution when driving or bicycling through that part.

This isn't to say I didn't have black friends. I did have a couple of them. But then, the population in that PA county contained only ten percent black, and still does to this day. Most families living there are of northern European descent.

Isn't it like the Lord to immediately correct things right from the start? What a wonderful God we serve. I was saved in 1972, while in the Navy, and my closest, most beloved brother in the Lord, was a black man. I loved, and still do love, Denny Nelson with my heart.

We lost touch with one another after my earlier discharge, and I've been searching for at least a decade.

At the same time, however, I do not like any form of cultural crudeness. Black street culture, for instance, I detest. This would include foul hip hop and other vile expressions.

David

[walshclan]

Our christian radio station plays christian hip hop. I don't hate it but I've never been much of a fan of dance music. Give me a good rock song anytime.

So.....hip hop is not always foul.

In Him,

Connie

[ministerofyuth]

it is sad, i agree.:cry:
but as long as you have people, there will be some who will allow that spirit and mind to be part of their lives. there will always be racism, sexism, classism, fascism, all all other 'isms' as long as we have people who continue to practice the works of the flesh. Gal 5: 19-26.
good for you,:thumbsup: that you have chosen not to be a part of this action and that you want to do God's will. that is all that matters. just do His will and pray for the rest.
bithiah2
I understand but all those isms don't reflect true Christ-ism, and the fruits of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. We as a church need to take a look at ourselves and be sure we don't fall into the isms. Christian, isn't Christism.

[ministerofyuth]

Our christian radio station plays christian hip hop. I don't hate it but I've never been much of a fan of dance music. Give me a good rock song anytime.

So.....hip hop is not always foul.

In Him,

Connie
I don't think he was saying all hip hop is foul but was referring to hip hop that is of a foul type, full of vulgarity and depravity to others.

[ministerofyuth]

Agree with everything here. But racism is basically a mixture of pride and fear. People are always afraid of what's different but don't want to show it and so they make themselves feel better by belittling the thing that they are afraid of.
well said... it goes with John 3:19-21

[prophecystudent]

I find it sad and depressing that our so-called churches are much too often filled with those who judge others on some basis or other.

Skin color, tatoos, long hair, blue jeans, sandals, etc etc etc etc.

Christ sat and ate with those who were rejected by the "legalists" during His time on earth. He showed the love and understanding that we should all be showing. Showing not only during church services but in our daily lives and interactions with others.

We do our best evangelism by our conduct and life style.

As far as music goes, I don't care for hip-hop whether it be Christian or not. That is not to say that I don't like upbeat music. I love Smoky Mountain Gospel music for its upbeat style and joyous celebration of Christ. That is about all I listen to anymore. I have several tapes that I have copied over to CDs or on my MP3 player. I listen to them when driving, when working out, or just when I need a little "lift".

I don't fault anyone for their choice of music unless it involves all the profanity, lewd and crude suggestions, calling women "hoes" etc. Then I object to it even being called music.

Fred

[aspirine]

After being victim of comments made by a professing christian after he visited our church I have come to realize that racism comes in all kinds of forms. If you look up racism in Webster's dictionary you will find that it pertains to some group or sect that believes they are superior than others. If you check in Webster's about the word race you will see it pertains to a family, group, country or even an organization that all thinks the same or lives the same. This person made friendly with all of us then went home and made comments about our church having "too many black people" in it and having other people in it he didn't agree with. This guy used to go to our church and I truthfully expected those things from him. But I also came to realize that this type of racism goes deeper than just skin color. Some churches have people in them that don't like the youth, don't like the babies, don't like the children, don't like the older saints, don't like the music, don't like the way the preacher preaches, or even more so just seem to not be happy with anything the church has to offer so they make rude comments continually. Lately it was said of our church to another member "did you get to go to church today or was it just another big nursery". Then these same people make various comments on the music our church plays. Some don't like the fact we don't have any hymns and some of the same family think the music we play isn't hip enough. One makes fun of our band because our Christian Rock Band he says isn't really a ROCK band, because we aren't heavy metal. It's apparent nothing can please and it's sad that they are not the only family that gets into these ruts. The church would grow at a rapid pace if we could get this type of racism out of it.

If you look at John 4 1-31 and the example Jesus set you will see he broke the racism barrier big time. Not only does Jesus talk to a woman but He talks to a Samaritan woman. She is so shocked by it she even asks Jesus why He speaks to her. Then the disciples show up and they are too shocked Jesus is talking to a Samaritan woman. Can you just see this. It's like OH NO, He's talking to a harlot....but Jesus just keeps on witnessing and when it's all said and done if you look in verses 38-40 Jesus not only talks to this one Samaritan woman but ends up talking to many Samaritans and winning them over! :bow:

That's how we really need to be as the church. Forget about the differences and just look at the souls and do our best to win them to Christ.:thumbsup:

End racism in the church. Imitate Christ like the word says and work to obtain the mind of Christ. That's my mission because to me everyone is worth it.:amen:
Gasp! You mean to tell me that Folks is Folks! Who wouldda guessed it?

[Solidlyhere]

Racism ... it's been around since the dawn of mankind.

If you want to see REAL racism, just go to the Middle East.
There it's not only condoned, it is encouraged by the government.

"Christians aren't perfect ... just forgiven."
An old saying, but it's true.

Especially in Church, people have an idea of how the congregation should look.
Religion is very intimate, and the Church is an intimate place too.
This doesn't just go for the race of the congregation, it goes for dressing. In many Churches, if a person dresses REAL loudly (or seductively), people will be up-in-arms.
I imagine that if I wore a swimsuit and a pair of flippers to my Church, I would have several angry people.

The Church is the important thing here, not just a few bigoted parishioners.
Each person is allowed to be a bigot if he wishes to be one.

[Lightcreated]

Sorry to disappoint you,
But thing will continue getting worse in the church because GOD is nolonger using the churches now.Because GOD is judging the churches, He is preparing them for judgment,
He isalso preparing the world for judgment, and this will continue right up to the last day when he return's.You have never seen the world so rampid/sinfull like it it today.Not even 10 years ago was the world over pouring with sin as it is 2day.GOD is giving the world over to their sins to prepare it for judgment.

[sebastian]

GOD is nolonger using the churches now
really? A lot of churches are corrupt, yeah. But all of them? I think not.

[Lightcreated]

Sorry to disappoint you,
But thing'ssaved will continue getting worse in the church because GOD is nolonger using the churches now.Because GOD is judging the churches, He is preparing them for judgment,
He is also preparing the world for judgment, and this will continue right up to the last day when the Lord return's.You have never seen the world so rampid/sinfull like it is today.Not even 10 years ago was the world over pouring with sin as it is 2day.GOD is giving the world over to their sins to prepare it for judgment. Just read you Bible slowly,PRAYERFULLY, OLD&NEW TESTAMENT because not that we are at the end time, GOD is opening up Scripture that were never understood until now.

[sebastian]

so God will abandon His bride?

[Lightcreated]

The Lord is allowing satin to rule in the local congragation.
Has'nt He told us through His word this would and had to happen? now it is happening.
We are at the time of the end, we are in the final tribulation, we are a few, no 20,10 or even 5 years, but only a few from the LORDS return. It's incredible!!!!!

[sebastian]

Are you saying God will abandon His bride? and where does it say God will let the devil take over the church, and who made you privy to Christ's return date?

[Lightcreated]

If you read the Bible correctly when GOD is speaking of His bride/church He is speaking of all of the true believers/those who He has planed to save troughout the worlds existence, not brick and mortar.

[sebastian]

oh right, fair play then.

[Solidlyhere]

It sounds like lightcreated is getting a God-complex.

"The Lord is allowing satan to rule in the local congragation."

And what were you smoking when you thought this one up?

It's one thing to say that God isn't ruling in churches.
It's quite another thing to suppose that God would ORDAIN Satan with the job of running every single Church.

Yes, you are pretty deluded about this one.
You may have been lightcreated ... but you are the epitome of Dark-created now.

[Lightcreated]

Dude read your Bible 1st b4 you say something as rude as that.
Read your Bible slowly/carefully/PRAYERFULY.
He is opening up Scripture that were never understood b4 now that we are at the end time, it's all in the Bible, dude just read.Why would you judge some1 without reading it for your self especially when it come to the Word of Almighty GOD.Read it for your self study his word,meditate on them, these thing's are true.Did'nt satin have to get GOD permission to test job? didn't GOD tell him how far he can go while testing job?did't GOD set a limit to satin testing job? why yes he did.

[Lightcreated]

And as far as my name (LIGHTCREATED) goes it means i'm created By Almighty GOD .
But Darkcreated is my other online gaming names.

[Solidlyhere]

Well, lightcreated, you spent several lines telling me to read my Bible.

THAT is your entire answer?
It isn't saying anything.

If you have something REAL to say ... then say it clearly.
Or else, you are just NOT saying anything.
Intimating things is like lying.
Truth lives in clear explanations.

__________________________

So, back to your Point:
If you have a Bible reference to prove your contention that 10 years ago, God would allow Satan to start running the Christian Churches, please cite that reference.
If not, then why do you believe that God has done this? Do you know any Satan-possessed pastors, who have admitted this to you?

[Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK]

I find the idea that God would actually actively put Satan in charge of any church is ridiculous.

However, as with some individuals, Satan may (unfortunately and not with the support of God) have found a foothold in some churches, without people realising it in many cases.

I think we all ought to remember that we only hear about a few churches, mostly ones we go to or have connections to or ones in our local area. I don't really know what most churches in my own country or even my own town are like. It's hard to speculate because every church is slightly different.

[Lightcreated]

Of course all i have to say is (READ THE BIBLE) thats what every true christian should explaining the LORDS word, i'm sure not gonna say trust in me!.
And you say (i'm not saying anything real ) because i said read the Bible?WOW.
As far as the falling away of the churches it's true.And the LORD speak's of this all over the bible old and new testament, remember GOD is from everlasting to everlasting and he knows the beginning from the end.Read in the book of DANIEL and he speak's of the end times the also the book of JOHN 7 and many more.

[FaceForward]

I'm coming in late, but just who are yall saying is God?

I'm not trying to be rude, but some seem to be saying that the devil is god.

Perhaps I missed something though. :confused:

[Lightcreated]

Of course all i have to say is (READ THE BIBLE) thats what every true christian should say after telling some1 the LORDS word saids something, i'm sure not gonna say trust in me!.
And you say (i'm not saying anything real ) because i said read the Bible?WOW.
As far as the falling away of the churches it's true.And the LORD speak's of this all over the bible old and new testament, remember GOD is from everlasting to everlasting and he knows the beginning from the end.Read in the book of DANIEL and he speak's of the end times the also the book of JOHN 7 and many more.

[Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK]

Yes, some people will fall away but not everyone will; and if anybody falls away it is because they have decided to, not because God wanted them to and gave them over to the Devil.

[FaceForward]

Yes, some people will fall away but not everyone will; and if anybody falls away it is because they have decided to, not because God wanted them to and gave them over to the Devil.


Not one child shall be lost. Not one.

Ever. Get it? None! Do you even fathom?

Just how tenuous does your grasp feel?

[Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK]

What are you on about?

Some people will go to Hell, it is in the Bible. The true believers in Christ will be saved.

[FaceForward]

What are you on about?

Some people will go to Hell, it is in the Bible. The true believers in Christ will be saved.

Hmmm...I don't know what you are on about, but I didn't say anything about your "true believers", I was merely speaking of "children".

[FaceForward]

It really screws with your whole man centered theology though doesn't it? :D :D

[Solidlyhere]

lightcreated, there's an old saying: "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with Bulls***."

This seems to be what you are doing?
1) You make a statement that is silly: Satan gets to run all of God's Churches.
2) I ask you: Where did you come up with such an idea?
3) You don't say, but lightly attack me for even asking you.
4) You continue to refuse to answer.
5) I can assume that you were High one evening (or drunk) and dreamed up this whole idea.
6) Your latest non-answer is pretty funny: "And you say (i'm not saying anything real ) because i said read the Bible?WOW."

So, you attack me. You lied about what I said, and then you belittled me for saying it. This is pretty nasty stuff you're doing to me.

I said: "Well, lightcreated, you spent several lines telling me to read my Bible. THAT is your entire answer? It isn't saying anything [about why you made your claim]."

Then, you answer me with your: "And you say (i'm not saying anything real ) because i said read the Bible?WOW."

If you truly think you didn't LIE about it, then please explain yourself.

Something REAL is: Why do you believe this is True.
Instead of explaining where you dreamed this up, you lightly attack me again.

YES, I believe you are saying nothing to explain your WAY-out-there theory of Satan ruling the Christian Churches. And, until you actually explain why you think this is True, I will continue to remark that you are saying nothing (to explain yourself). OK?

[Lightcreated]

Look if you do'nt agree with me fine, but do'nt keep on with the insults and accusations.
Because i got that directly from the bible, you're not hurting me at all.
You may think you are arguing with me but you are really trying to argue with GOD.
Because i got that directly from the bible, i'm sure you've read b4 ("THE HOUSE OF GOD SHALL BE JUDGED FIRST)? yes i'm sure you have.
Hmmmm..... i wounder what that means?????
I told you to read and still you persist...keep reading and pray for understanding.
He'll open your eyes to truth in His own time, because that's what i pray for is understanding of His word and SALVATION but all in His perfect time, not my own.
GOG Bless you.

[Lightcreated]

Look if you do'nt agree with me fine, but do'nt keep on with the insults and accusations.
Because i got that directly from the bible, you're not hurting me at all.
You may think you are arguing with me but you are really trying to argue with GOD.
Because i got that directly from the bible, i'm sure you've read b4 ("THE HOUSE OF GOD SHALL BE JUDGED FIRST)? yes i'm sure you have.
Hmmmm..... i wounder what that means???I told you to read and still you persist...keep reading and pray for understanding.
He'll open your eyes to truth in His own time, because that's what i pray for is understanding of His word and SALVATION but all in His perfect time, not my own.
GOD Bless you. When GOD speaks of his church He's speaking of all the true believer's He's planed to save during this worlds existence not a building.

[Solidlyhere]

Lightcreated . . . he's just a Christian Martyr.

[Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK]

It really screws with your whole man centered theology though doesn't it? :D :D

Now you've completely lost me :sorry: :scratch:

[Christiangal01]

wow
seems like a lot of heat here!

[FaceForward]

Look if you do'nt agree with me fine, but do'nt keep on with the insults and accusations.
Because i got that directly from the bible, you're not hurting me at all.
You may think you are arguing with me but you are really trying to argue with GOD.
Because i got that directly from the bible, i'm sure you've read b4 ("THE HOUSE OF GOD SHALL BE JUDGED FIRST)? yes i'm sure you have.
Hmmmm..... i wounder what that means???I told you to read and still you persist...keep reading and pray for understanding.
He'll open your eyes to truth in His own time, because that's what i pray for is understanding of His word and SALVATION but all in His perfect time, not my own.
GOD Bless you. When GOD speaks of his church He's speaking of all the true believer's He's planed to save during this worlds existence not a building.


If the House of God shall be judged first, and it shall, how then do you see that judgement? Remember, we are talking here about the House of God. Everything you say here will be a direct assault on that which was purchased at a sore price. Think about this question before you answer. Honestly. In love my friend, think first. (in other words, remember who you might be accusing of wrong. :) )

[Disippelen]

I that it's sad if racism occurs in the church. It shouldn't. The Kingdom of God is made up of numerous peoples, nations and cultures.

In my church we have Norwegians (majority) as well as people with Iranian, Sri Lankean and Indian backgrounds, as well as increasingly more foreigners in the teenager sections, spanning from Ghana to Southeast-Asia.

Our neighbooring churc, the Baptists, with whom we often cooperate, have a range of people from Africa, Burma, Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, Ecuador, East Asia, Ukraine, Russia etc.

I think that this diversity is fantastic.

I've got friends (Christians and non-Christians) from all over the world.

Racism should be kicked out of all Christian congregations and ministries at once - and for good.


Dis :)

[Christiangal01]

I that it's sad if racism occurs in the church. It shouldn't. The Kingdom of God is made up of numerous peoples, nations and cultures.

In my church we have Norwegians (majority) as well as people with Iranian, Sri Lankean and Indian backgrounds, as well as increasingly more foreigners in the teenager sections, spanning from Ghana to Southeast-Asia.

Our neighbooring churc, the Baptists, with whom we often cooperate, have a range of people from Africa, Burma, Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, Ecuador, East Asia, Ukraine, Russia etc.

I think that this diversity is fantastic.

I've got friends (Christians and non-Christians) from all over the world.

Racism should be kicked out of all Christian congregations and ministries at once - and for good.


Dis :)
Amen

[aspirine]

It sounds like lightcreated is getting a God-complex.

"The Lord is allowing satan to rule in the local congragation."

And what were you smoking when you thought this one up?

It's one thing to say that God isn't ruling in churches.
It's quite another thing to suppose that God would ORDAIN Satan with the job of running every single Church.

Yes, you are pretty deluded about this one.
You may have been lightcreated ... but you are the epitome of Dark-created now.
Well maybe. He says he can't convert to Christianity because he is dead and the dead can't do anything.

[Gipper]

nm

[bithiah2]

In the 50s, the parts of the country where I was raised, in PA and MO, had minimal integration. Overall the blacks kept to themselves as did the whites, except where livelihoods crossed.

To get to a large shopping area, which back then was not called a "mall," one had to pass through the black section of a PA county. As kids, we shared a general lack of trust, and a sense of caution when driving or bicycling through that part.

This isn't to say I didn't have black friends. I did have a couple of them. But then, the population in that PA county contained only ten percent black, and still does to this day. Most families living there are of northern European descent.

Isn't it like the Lord to immediately correct things right from the start? What a wonderful God we serve. I was saved in 1972, while in the Navy, and my closest, most beloved brother in the Lord, was a black man. I loved, and still do love, Denny Nelson with my heart.

We lost touch with one another after my earlier discharge, and I've been searching for at least a decade.

At the same time, however, I do not like any form of cultural crudeness. Black street culture, for instance, I detest. This would include foul hip hop and other vile expressions.

David

well, do you also detest foul expressions of white culture, the rock music and violence that goes on and gets kids throwing each other around? what about 'emo' music? :scratch:
you may "detest" hip-hop, but it has crossed over into other cultures. :cool: in fact, a lot of the white, asian, and hispanic kids are imitating the hip-hop artists, and buying the clothing and the music (which is expensive, but they are the ones who have the money to buy it). they imitate the slang and are capitalizing on it. their pants sag better than any brotha' on the corner, in my neighborhood. it always bothers me when someone has to make mention that one of their best friends was black (or japanese, mexican, etc.) if a person is your friend, what difference does it make what their ethnicity is? it is not in any of our control who God made us to be. now i usually don't enter into these discussions because that is not why i'm here. but i had to say something.
God bless,
bithiah2

[bithiah2]

I am shocked at how many so called Christians would mingle with the sons of Cain. Why would God create different races to be equal?

God chose the Adamic race as his chosen people above all others. There is no doubt about this.
exactly what do you mean by this?

i HOPE you are not saying that one ethnicity is superior to another. i really hope not. if you are, i feel sorry for you because it means that you have no knowledge of God in you at all.

bithiah2

[sebastian]

I am shocked at how many so called Christians would mingle with the sons of Cain. Why would God create different races to be equal?
because we are all equal in christ for a start. that's in the bible, the sons of cain were not black people, that's a myth made up by racists trying to justify thier racist beleifs, look it up in the bible.
you do realise Jesus wasn't white too yeah?

God chose the Adamic race as his chosen people above all others. There is no doubt about this.

yes there is much doubt about it. according to you, unless your a Jew, your the lowest of the low.

[Gipper]

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[seekthelight]

You both obviously need a reality check. Look at the way other races treat members of there own and our community. Violence. Cheating. Stealing. Rioting. Invading our country and taking our jobs. Of course there are a superior race.
Hahaahahha, I seriously hope that is a joke o_O

That is one of the worst generalisations I have heard in a long time...

Are you seriously kidding? or are you being a racist?

[aspirine]

I am shocked at how many so called Christians would mingle with the sons of Cain. Why would God create different races to be equal?

God chose the Adamic race as his chosen people above all others. There is no doubt about this.
I also like Gilbert and Sullivan. The song from the High Executioner is fun as are other relevant songs from the Mikado.

[aspirine]

if you are, i feel sorry for you because it means that you have no knowledge of God in you at all.

bithiah2
bithiah2, I am pretty sure that this statement of yours is a violation of at least two of the forum rules. He may be talking about what are considered very valid teachings within the denominations that teach that doctrine. It sounds like it from what I remember when I studied various denominations.

[sebastian]

racism isn't a valid teaching.

[Gipper]

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[sebastian]

ok, you give me one verse that says your right.

[non-religious]

Yep...... Racism is still alive and kicking in the Church. I wouldn't be too concerned about Gipper's comments. They have no foundation whatsoever in scripture, they woefully contradict God's word and they prove that even those who claim to have a relationship with Christ can still obviously be very deceived.

I pray that he finds the real love of Christ. I'm not angry with him, I don't hate him. I actually feel sorry for him :)

[Gipper]

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[sebastian]

(Gen 1:25) (25) And God made the beast of the earth after His kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

so who are you saying the beast is, non-whites? do you not think it might be refering to an animal, like a lion or bear?

(Gen 4:3-8) (3)And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. (4)And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering5)But unto Cain and to his offering He had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. (6)And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? (7)If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. (8)And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

And to show how Cain and Cain's descendants fared:

(Jude 1:11-12) (11)Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam's error and perished in Korah's rebellion. (12)These are blemishes on your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, looking after themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted;
so cain was a bad and was punished, so how does that mean that all non-whites are decendants of Cain?

[Gipper]

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[sebastian]

man, this is weak arguments, the beast that was made before man, is actually a non-white person? and the mark of cain was darker skin?

what if the mark of cain was white skin?

what if, the chosen people of God, the jews, from north africa where not white?

what if the bible says that in christ all are equal?

what if the bible says that all people are decended from adam and eve, so black, white, brown or whatever people, are all our brothers and sisters?

[Disippelen]

I am shocked at how many so called Christians would mingle with the sons of Cain. Why would God create different races to be equal?

God chose the Adamic race as his chosen people above all others. There is no doubt about this.

Knock, knock mister..

haven't you heard about the Flood?

it killed all humans except Noah, his wife and their three sons with their wives. Only 8 souls survived, and mankind has spread from them since that time.

Cain no longer has any biological descendants on earth, although many people do like him - murdering their fellow humans...:(

We're all descendants of Adam - and of Noah, the human race is one:


Acts 17:26:
From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.


I think that you should base your beliefs on the bible, not on racist propaganda.


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[sebastian]

Knock, knock mister..

haven't you heard about the Flood?

it killed all humans except Noah, his wife and their three sons with their wives. Only 8 souls survived, and mankind has spread from them since that time.

Cain no longer has any biological descendants on earth, although many people do like him - murdering their fellow humans...

We're all descendants of Adam - and of Noah, the human race is one:


Acts 17:26:
From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.


I think that you should base your beliefs on the bible, not on racist propaganda.


Dis

HA! oh yeah! :D

[Gipper]

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[sebastian]

are you a jew?

[Gipper]

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[sebastian]

then you comdemn yourself with your own arguments.
It is only referring to all of Christ's kind, they are the true Israelites. God doesn't care about the other races.
your not of christs kind, your not a jew, and that means, according to you, God doesn;t care about you or your race.
(thank God that God is God, and not your image of god)

Well, this just takes some common sense. Which race civilized the other?
you want to talk about civilisation. then Japan is arguably the most civilised country. does that mean they are the pure race?

In Egypt which race did God favor the dark Egyptians or the white Israelites?
Israelites aren't white.

Which has received more favor from God in terms of prosperity?
China is one of the richest countries in the world today, as is Japan again, the richest man in the world is an Arab.

And then which race has proved to be more savage, more violent, and more sinful.

white people arn't exactly great are they.

[Gipper]

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[sebastian]

Jesus was a jew. a JEW. circumsized the lot, they called him a rabbi! look at his lineage!
They are civilized because we civilized them.
wrong. the west never had any influence on japan, they closed the borders on the rest of the world for centuries, when the west first turned up, they called us the barbarians.
Both make there money off of us. Show me where it says that the Israelites aren't white.
they make thier own money from thier own land which is richley blessed with natural resources.
show me how a middle eastern man from ancient times was white, you kidding me?

[Gipper]

Jesus was a jew. a JEW. circumsized the lot, they called him a rabbi! look at his lineage!

wrong. the west never had any influence on japan, they closed the borders on the rest of the world for centuries, when the west first turned up, they called us the barbarians.

they make thier own money from thier own land which is richley blessed with natural resources.
show me how a middle eastern man from ancient times was white, you kidding me?

Whatever. I choose not to be baited into "breaking the rules."

[sebastian]

choose to think a little then. ignore the teachings of the southern baptist churches or whoever taught you this rubbish and pray about it with an open heart.

all your comments are quoted in mine, editing yours to make me look bad won't work.

[Disippelen]

Are Jews "white" originally???

Genesis 49:8-12:
Judah, your brothers will praise you;
your hand will be on the neck of your enemies;
your father's sons will bow down to you.

9 You are a lion's cub, O Judah;
you return from the prey, my son.
Like a lion he crouches and lies down,
like a lioness—who dares to rouse him?
10 The scepter will not depart from Judah,
nor the ruler's staff from between his feet,
until he comes to whom it belongs [c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%2049;&version=31;#fen-NIV-1484c)]
and the obedience of the nations is his.
11 He will tether his donkey to a vine,
his colt to the choicest branch;
he will wash his garments in wine,
his robes in the blood of grapes. 12 [B]His eyes will be darker than wine,
his teeth whiter than milk. [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%2049;&version=31;#fen-NIV-1486d)]

After reading this prophecy, I would suggest that Jews were among the darker Israelite tribes...

I see no reason to think that they were typically Arians at least.. (to put it on the edge)


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[aspirine]

From my memory, which I admit is dodgy.
The Adamite pre-adamite theology was big during the Rise of the English Empire. The Dutch in Africa had a similar teaching. So for them the racial issues were as much a matter of faith as your racial issues are a matter of your faith.

OK. So according to the adamite theology there were created people on the earth before God formed Adam.
Adam was an agriculturist while those before him were hunter-gatherers.
"I had not a man to till the soil" or some such.
Re the flood... there are other accounts of a huge flood than Noah’s. Think about it. Any seagoing people could have survived the flood. Some sailors at sea must have just considered it just another bout of bad weather. ... of course when they went looking for their intended port and it was either under water or ruined that would have bothered them more than a little.

Why does this matter? Because in the theology it means that some preadamites survived the flood. Another neat thing about the preadamite theology is that it accounts for the people Cain was worrying about encountering, and it accounts for his wife.
Gipper's (is that who started this thread) theology holds that the Caucasian race is the descendants of Adam - a ruddy man. Some of these folks, who apparently do not know many Japanese or Chinese people very well, say the proof of this is that you can easily see Caucasians blush. Silly and ignorant right?

As for Jesus being a Jew in today’s meaning of the word Jew, the adamite theology teaches that the Judeans were a different race than the Jews today. OK, research shows that the people formerly known as Hittites, Hiveites, Canaanites, Edomites and others who were considered Israel’s enemies are now found in the people who are today known as Jews. But that does not mean that there was not the same intermixture during the time of Christ. It was a mixed multitude that came out of Egypt. The Hyksos had companions of many racial subtypes.
It is all sort of irrelevant to me, but if one reads the OT in a certain way it is a highly tribal book about a tribal god and its people. Accordingly, it is important to them that they be members of those tribes. They hold that the Christian nations of Europe are the decendants of those tribes. OK fine, but there are over 100,000,000 Chinese who are Christian.

Gipper has presented a viewpoint from a different faith than most of ours, but there are denominations that believe all this as their faith.

[ministerofyuth]

Sorry to confuse some. My intention was to bring to light that racism isn't just about color or nationality. It goes as simple as a group of people believing that they are more right than others and being very vocal about it to the point it is offensive. Race can be by Webster's definition defined as simple as a family. So when we see various clics in the church and not a community of people that come together that worship and love God unconditionally then by definition we are guilty of being racist. My point is Jesus never in His teachings was concerned about what others thought, how they looked, smelled or dressed. He was concerned for the souls of them. Can we get to that point where we are that accepting of everyone?

I agree that Christ's return is near but I totally disagree with the statement that Christ isn't working in the churches any more. We are seeing many new unchurched and de-churched people come to Christ and it is awesome. I'm pretty sure Jesus promised us He would never leave us nor forsake us. (Heb 13:5)

So we need to be like Jehu and Jehonadab and put aside all differences and serve and worship and praise the one true God and be glad in it.

[ANM29]

After being victim of comments made by a professing christian after he visited our church I have come to realize that racism comes in all kinds of forms. If you look up racism in Webster's dictionary you will find that it pertains to some group or sect that believes they are superior than others. If you check in Webster's about the word race you will see it pertains to a family, group, country or even an organization that all thinks the same or lives the same. This person made friendly with all of us then went home and made comments about our church having "too many black people" in it and having other people in it he didn't agree with. This guy used to go to our church and I truthfully expected those things from him. But I also came to realize that this type of racism goes deeper than just skin color. Some churches have people in them that don't like the youth, don't like the babies, don't like the children, don't like the older saints, don't like the music, don't like the way the preacher preaches, or even more so just seem to not be happy with anything the church has to offer so they make rude comments continually. Lately it was said of our church to another member "did you get to go to church today or was it just another big nursery". Then these same people make various comments on the music our church plays. Some don't like the fact we don't have any hymns and some of the same family think the music we play isn't hip enough. One makes fun of our band because our Christian Rock Band he says isn't really a ROCK band, because we aren't heavy metal. It's apparent nothing can please and it's sad that they are not the only family that gets into these ruts. The church would grow at a rapid pace if we could get this type of racism out of it.

If you look at John 4 1-31 and the example Jesus set you will see he broke the racism barrier big time. Not only does Jesus talk to a woman but He talks to a Samaritan woman. She is so shocked by it she even asks Jesus why He speaks to her. Then the disciples show up and they are too shocked Jesus is talking to a Samaritan woman. Can you just see this. It's like OH NO, He's talking to a harlot....but Jesus just keeps on witnessing and when it's all said and done if you look in verses 38-40 Jesus not only talks to this one Samaritan woman but ends up talking to many Samaritans and winning them over! :bow:

That's how we really need to be as the church. Forget about the differences and just look at the souls and do our best to win them to Christ.:thumbsup:

End racism in the church. Imitate Christ like the word says and work to obtain the mind of Christ. That's my mission because to me everyone is worth it.:amen:

I am not surprised the comment was made that "Too many blacks people " were in the church. Racism is alive and well in churches just as anywhere else. The church I attend is a huge mega-church and we come in all colors, nationalities, etc and it is amazing to see the prejudices still at work in God's house.

I even notice in church how the darker colored blacks are less favored than the lighter colored blacks. I am a lighter colored black woman ( My avatar is dark on purpose;) ( a test ), I am actually much lighter than it..) and I notice even how I am treated differently than the darker blacks. Sad, but true. I guess behind closed doors this is something racists have to go to God with. I will assume it is an ongoing battle within themselves to remember they everyone else is also a creation of the same God that created the, Which makes us all pretty much equals.