Rebuilding of the Temple.

[KelsayDL]

Hello Messianics!

I'm in need of your opinions and pearls of wisdom regarding this subject.

Whenever it comes up, I get confused greatly.

I've heard many messianics make a fuss about the dome of the rock, quite possibly even being the abomination of desolation. I can understand this, in a sense.

But I have to ask wasn't Yeshua's work our atonement, his death/resurrection/ascension?

I don't understand why some (many) messianics look forward to the rebuilding of the temple. Is it that big of a deal?

Doesn't Moses Maimonides teach that the "real" Jewish Messiah is to set into motion the temples reconstruction?

That is somewhat anti-christlike is it not?

I'm really in need of teaching concerning the temple, and it's place in this present age, and in the coming Messianic kingdom, and in the age to come.

So, if you are able, help me out please!

[SonWorshipper]

WOW! I was just going to start a topic today on the Temple, but with a little different view, so I will hold off on that.

I just would like to know where you are hearing that Messianics want the third Temple built?

My quick take on this is that at this P-I-T I believe that the Temple will be rebuilt, and will be allowed to be preceeded by a signing of a peace treaty between Israel and the Arab world. I don't believe that the Dome of the Rock needs to be touched in any way to achive this. I believe that this will look to be an Ecumenical effort, that Jerusalem belongs to the world that all religions can have representation there, and eventually only by one leader.

Right now many religions or sects are represented there so this is not so far fetched.

Now if you look at the picture that I have posted I will explain how this can be accomplished.

[SonWorshipper]

You can see in the picture that I have in my signature, this is the gate called the East Gate, or the Golden Gate or Mercy Gate. The Ottomans ( I believe) sealed this up learning the prophecy that the Messiah would come through this gate, so they sealed it up in hopes of stopping him and thus keep redeemption from the Jews :() And for good measure they placed a cemetary in front of it because it is said that one would be defiled ( especially a priest going to the Temple) by going through a grave yard.

Now look at this picture taken of the gate in 1952

http://www.geocities.com/jim_lancaster.geo/goldengate52.jpg

It is taken almost dead on, from the graden of Gethsemane, looking across the Kidron valley. Now do you see where the Dome of the Rock is? ( it was not covered in Gold until 1968) It stands to the left or South of the Golden Gate. Now it is believed that Messiah could go straight in through this gate and directly into the temple, if that is true then the Temple would have stood to the north of where the Dome of the Rock is standing now and would not need to be moved at all.

[Rafael]

That's very interesting about the Ottomans. I have also heard that the Dome of the Rock was built over the court of the Gentiles instead of over the Holy of Holies, which I think the Mohammedans intended to do. There is even a scripture in Revelations that speaks of that court not being measured:
Revelations 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Although I'm skeptical about most date setting. I've seen the Dome of the Rocks date - 688AD plus the forty-two months of days (1278.34 days) coming very near to the 1967 date of the Six Day War where Israel took control of the Holy City, Jerusalem for the first time in over 2500 years. I would think that would mark the end of the "time of the Gentiles" Jesus spoke of in Luke 21:24 and the fullness of Gentiles to come in Paul spoke of in Romans 11:25.

SW, is this true by your knowledge, that the Dome isn't built over the Holy of Holies?

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

In a spiritual sense, wouldn't the temple be the body which the Holy Spirit resides in? Sometimes, its hard for me to figure what will happen in prophecy because of that which is meant to be literal and figurative in the scriptures. I know that Daniel does speak of a wall being rebuilt.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

[SonWorshipper]

This was fulfilled when the Medeo Persians ( under Kind Cyrus) allowed the return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. I think you can find this in Ezra. ( Sorry it is late :sleep:) But as far as the other, I don't believe that the Dome is on the ancient Temple spot, but North of it on the North east corner to be more precise. And yes that does coincide with the verse in Isaiah.

Also from my studies that court of the Gentiles could be on either the south or north sides ( the Dome sits to the south.)

[Rafael]

I have a good postional map of the Dome of the Rock and the Jewish temple of old, but it is too small, when I download the image, to really be seen well, but here is a good link with much good information about the Dome of the Rock and the Jewish Temple grounds.
http://www.templemount.org/

[Atkin]

Hello Messianics!

I'm in need of your opinions and pearls of wisdom regarding this subject.

Whenever it comes up, I get confused greatly.

I've heard many messianics make a fuss about the dome of the rock, quite possibly even being the abomination of desolation. I can understand this, in a sense.

But I have to ask wasn't Yeshua's work our atonement, his death/resurrection/ascension?

I don't understand why some (many) messianics look forward to the rebuilding of the temple. Is it that big of a deal?

Doesn't Moses Maimonides teach that the "real" Jewish Messiah is to set into motion the temples reconstruction?

That is somewhat anti-christlike is it not?

I'm really in need of teaching concerning the temple, and it's place in this present age, and in the coming Messianic kingdom, and in the age to come.

So, if you are able, help me out please!

Is the REAL Jewish Messiah the one in the Old Testament but NOT in the New
Testament?

What is the name of that Old Jewish Messiah who will set into motion the temple's

reconstruction?

[KelsayDL]

I have no idea Atkin.

It is a teaching amongst Judaism, espoused by Moses Maimonides. At least that is what I have heard.

My Messiah is Yeshua.

[SonWorshipper]

Doesn't Moses Maimonides teach that the "real" Jewish Messiah is to set into motion the temples reconstruction?

Unfortunatly, I believe that this is an act of the enemy of IsraEL, for if they look to this as "truth" then they will find themselves in the worst trouble that they have ever been in.

Much Prayer is needed that the L-rd will open their eyes to the real Moshiach, Yeshua, who has already come and his return will not build a temple but set up a whole new kingdom.

However I am hoping more will put their trust in the word of the L-rd and if they must take a Rebbi's word on this , then to follow Rashi, who taught that the third temple is in the heavenly realm and will desend when all is in order. This is in line with furture prophecies of Isaiah that haven't come to pass as yet.

[Rafael]

This was fulfilled when the Medeo Persians ( under Kind Cyrus) allowed the return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. I think you can find this in Ezra. ( Sorry it is late :sleep:) But as far as the other, I don't believe that the Dome is on the ancient Temple spot, but North of it on the North east corner to be more precise. And yes that does coincide with the verse in Isaiah.

Also from my studies that court of the Gentiles could be on either the south or north sides ( the Dome sits to the south.)Sonworshipper is right. The dome of the rock is not built over the Holy of Holies, but over the court of the Gentiles mentioned in Revelations:

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

This treading under foot by Gentiles ended in 1967 - the Six Day War, and the Muslims that intended to build over the Holy of Holies missed the mark and built over the area know as the court of the Gentiles which John prophecied in Rev. 11:2 by the Spirit.

Here is the map of the temple grounds and the locations of the Dome of the Rock and how it is not built over the House of the Lord - the "sides of the north". Click on it:

[Trish1947]

Unfortunatly, I believe that this is an act of the enemy of IsraEL, for if they look to this as "truth" then they will find themselves in the worst trouble that they have ever been in.

Much Prayer is needed that the L-rd will open their eyes to the real Moshiach, Yeshua, who has already come and his return will not build a temple but set up a whole new kingdom.

However I am hoping more will put their trust in the word of the L-rd and if they must take a Rebbi's word on this , then to follow Rashi, who taught that the third temple is in the heavenly realm and will desend when all is in order. This is in line with furture prophecies of Isaiah that haven't come to pass as yet.
My understanding maybe flawed. But this is what I understand about the matter. Jesus is our sacrifice. So why institute another? The building of the the temple will be done by the world. They will start the animal sacrifices again. Many Christians right now are being asked to finance this endevor. They had a Rabbi on one of the Christian stations that is asking all Christians to send in money for the rebuilding of the Temple. Does not this set up the Abomination that causes desolation? Will not a man of sin come to this temple and claim himself God? Is not this a deception?
My understanding of scripture is, that the L-rd will have the temple decend from the Heavenlies?

[Big Mouth Nana]

My understanding maybe flawed. But this is what I understand about the matter. Jesus is our sacrifice. So why institute another? The building of the the temple will be done by the world. They will start the animal sacrifices again. Many Christians right now are being asked to finance this endevor. They had a Rabbi on one of the Christian stations that is asking all Christians to send in money for the rebuilding of the Temple. Does not this set up the Abomination that causes desolation? Will not a man of sin come to this temple and claim himself God? Is not this a deception?
My understanding of scripture is, that the L-rd will have the temple decend from the Heavenlies?Yes, there is something not "kosher" about this. I cannot understand why the temple would be rebuilt, just to have the antichrist go park his keaster in it, and proclain himself God. I watched the program today from Israel with the minister. They are so excited about this, and can hardly contain their enthusiasum. I am feeling that this is all part of the big deception, especially since it will involve the antichrist. It makes me wonder about that verse in the bible: I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive, John 5:43. The antichrist maybe?

We need to pray for the peace of Jerusalem like the bible says to, because I believe that it is going to get very ugly over there.
I believe that there is only one way to God the Father, and that is through His Son Jesus. Why would Jews have to spill the blood of animals, when the bible states that Jesus is our sacrifice? This is a question for any Jewish poster.

[Big Mouth Nana]

I was studying lastnight, and evidently this rebuilding of the temple is something that has to take place. The Lord from what I see in this scripture will accept their sacrifices, but from what I am gathering, this is after the New Jerusalem descends down over the old one.

Isaiah 56:7 ~ Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their SACRIFICES shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

It has to be at this time, because otherwise it would not say for all people.
The antichrist is going to stop this according to this scripture.

Daniel 12:11~ And from the time that the DAILY SACRIFICE shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Well, about all we can do is keep our ears open on the rebuilding of the temple, then we will know about when the AC is supposed to appear :eek: .

[simchat_torah]

Why would Jews have to spill the blood of animals, when the bible states that Jesus is our sacrifice?

1) Jews (as a majority) don't accept Yeshua as the Messiah. Not to mention the sacrafices continued for some time after Yehsua's death.

2) Some messianics, such as myself, don't believe the sacrafices were abolished at the time of Yeshua's death. The atonement sacrafice was seperate from what he was doing, as he was the passover sacrafice. As well, the atonement sacrafice never did take away the sin, so Yeshua's sacrafice and the atonement sacrafice have different purposes... and do not conflict. The early believers also continued to make the sacrafices at the temple, as can be seen done by example in Acts 21 by Rabbi Sh'aul (paul).

Shalom,
Yafet.

[Trish1947]

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1) Jews (as a majority) don't accept Yeshua as the Messiah. Not to mention the sacrafices continued for some time after Yehsua's death.

2) Some messianics, such as myself, don't believe the sacrafices were abolished at the time of Yeshua's death. The atonement sacrafice was seperate from what he was doing, as he was the passover sacrafice. As well, the atonement sacrafice never did take away the sin, so Yeshua's sacrafice and the atonement sacrafice have different purposes... and do not conflict. The early believers also continued to make the sacrafices at the temple, as can be seen done by example in Acts 21 by Rabbi Sh'aul (paul).

Shalom,
Yafet.
When we Christians study the Book of Hebrews, We understand that the blood of bulls and goats will never satisfy for a sin offering. The Christ, "once and for all put away sin, by bearing it in His body on the tree. After the shedding of His blood there is "no more" sacrifice for sin. So what are these animal sacrifices supposed to atone for?

[simchat_torah]

They never did 'atone', or take away' sin... they have a different purpose than Y'shua's sacrafice.

One does not replace the other because their purposes vary. Hebrews 10:3-4
"But we continue in those sacrifices AS an annual reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins."

You see, the sacrafices continue (and did so for 40 some years after Yeshua's death) AS AN ANNUAL REMINDER of our sin. The blood of Bulls and goats NEVER DID take way sin. Yeshua's sacrafice and the sacrafice of bulls and goats accomplish 2 different things, so Y'shua did not replace these sacrafices.

You can see the early believers continuing in making the sacrafices at the temple in such places as Acts 21.

Shlaom,
Yafet.

[Trish1947]

They never did 'atone', or take away' sin... they have a different purpose than Y'shua's sacrafice.

One does not replace the other because their purposes vary. Hebrews 10:3-4
"But we continue in those sacrifices AS an annual reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins."

You see, the sacrafices continue (and did so for 40 some years after Yeshua's death) AS AN ANNUAL REMINDER of our sin. The blood of Bulls and goats NEVER DID take way sin. Yeshua's sacrafice and the sacrafice of bulls and goats accomplish 2 different things, so Y'shua did not replace these sacrafices.

You can see the early believers continuing in making the sacrafices at the temple in such places as Acts 21.

Shlaom,
Yafet.
I see what you are saying. I just noticed that this site was for Messianic and Orthodox Jews, and I am neither. So, Thank you for your thoughts on the matter, we do disagree greatly, But I will not discuss this on this site since it's your place to fellowship. Thank you

[Trish1947]

They never did 'atone', or take away' sin... they have a different purpose than Y'shua's sacrafice.

One does not replace the other because their purposes vary. Hebrews 10:3-4
"But we continue in those sacrifices AS an annual reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins."

You see, the sacrafices continue (and did so for 40 some years after Yeshua's death) AS AN ANNUAL REMINDER of our sin. The blood of Bulls and goats NEVER DID take way sin. Yeshua's sacrafice and the sacrafice of bulls and goats accomplish 2 different things, so Y'shua did not replace these sacrafices.

You can see the early believers continuing in making the sacrafices at the temple in such places as Acts 21.

Shlaom,
Yafet.
I see what you are saying. Well we do disagree greatly on this subject. But I noticed that this site is for Messianic and Orthadox Jews only, and I am niether. I won't pursue this anymore on this site since this is your place of fellowship. Thank you for your information.

[simchat_torah]

I don't expect many to agree with me. The ancient sect of Messianic Judaism has since been buried under mountains of history and persecution (no slight to you at all trish)

The original beliefs of the Messianics seems quite foreign to the average christian today.

It saddens me that we are often seen as heretics in the christian commnity.

I thank you that you have respected our rules and decided not to argue here, but I DO appreciate hearing your view, and getting the chance to share my view with you.

Shalom,
YAfet.

[Big Mouth Nana]

Shalom. Trish is my sister, and I will let you two discuss the sacrifices etc., as I am busy on other threads. I have one question for you? Do the Messianic Jews believe that the antichrist is going to sit down in the new temple, and proclaim himself God :confused: .I referred to this earlier in my post, but did not get a response. Blessing To You.

[Trish1947]

I don't expect many to agree with me. The ancient sect of Messianic Judaism has since been buried under mountains of history and persecution (no slight to you at all trish)

The original beliefs of the Messianics seems quite foreign to the average christian today.

It saddens me that we are often seen as heretics in the christian commnity.

I thank you that you have respected our rules and decided not to argue here, but I DO appreciate hearing your view, and getting the chance to share my view with you.

Shalom,
YAfet.
I very much would like to know what the Messianic Jews believe. Is it so far out of the way what Christians believe? Do they not believe that Jesus was the Christ. Are they still waiting for Him to come. Do they believe that He's coming again, or no? I would be interested in you comments. I know that this pariticular forum is about the rebuilding of the temple. Do you believe that that the State of Isreal is the one that was promised to be established back in their own land?

[simchat_torah]

? Do they not believe that Jesus was the Christ.
Yes, Messianics do believe that Yeshua was the Messiah (Christ).Are they still waiting for Him to come.
No. He has already come as a suffering servant and will return as a reigning king.Do they believe that He's coming again, or no? Yes, see above.Do you believe that that the State of Isreal is the one that was promised to be established back in their own land?Yes. Though there will be a spiritual ruling of the nations through Israel in the Messianic Kingdom.

Shalom,
Yafet.

[simchat_torah]

Do the Messianic Jews believe that the antichrist is going to sit down in the new temple, and proclaim himself God

To be quite honest, Messianic Judaism is as diverse as Protestantism.

Some believe in this theory, others don't believe in an antichrist at all. There are some 'messianic' groups that would look just like a charasmatic church, but meet on friday nights. Other groups are just like a synagouge, with the belief in the messiah.

In otherwords, I don't tink that there is a specific doctrine nailed down on the AC in MJ'ism.


Shalom ,Yafet.

[Trish1947]

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To be quite honest, Messianic Judaism is as diverse as Protestantism.

Some believe in this theory, others don't believe in an antichrist at all. There are some 'messianic' groups that would look just like a charasmatic church, but meet on friday nights. Other groups are just like a synagouge, with the belief in the messiah.

In otherwords, I don't tink that there is a specific doctrine nailed down on the AC in MJ'ism.


Shalom ,Yafet.
Well it sounds very much like the differences of opinions, and ways of worship that take place in the Protestant faith. My particular way of belief is Charismatic. But I was raised a Baptist. Many people are searching and thats a good thing. We believe that the anti-Christ will come, because it says after the Jews have been established back into their own land, and after a temple is built, that a "man of sin" will sit down in the temple and claim himself God and deceive so many. We go by the words of Jesus that says, "I have come in my Fathers name,Him you will not accept. "Another shall come in His own name and him you will accept.

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

I'll have to get a fellow Messianic to sign on here and talk about A Kingdom District that he was lead to put together by YHWH's Spirit.

Shabbat Shalom,

Tag

[Y’VA–REKH’KHA ADONAI]

I thought you might find this interesting:


In AD 1541 the Muslims sealed up the Golden Gate to prevent the Messiah's entrance -as according to Jewish tradition. This sealed gate was called the Golden Gate. It has two arches, the northern arch being called the Gate of Repentance and the southern arch the Gate of mercy. It was the place of the Lord's triumphal entry into Jerusalem (see Matt 21:1-11). This place is exceedingly important to the believer. It is foretold prophetically in Ezekiel 44:1-3. The Lord will enter Jerusalem by this gate when He comes to reign.



For this reason, the Temple Mount of Faith said that this beautiful gate which was closed by the Moslems many years ago because they knew this Jewish heritage and they believed that in this way they could stop Mashiach ben David from coming through this gate to the Temple Mount and to redeem Israel from the long foreign occupation and desecration of the Temple Mount, Jerusalem and the land of Israel. They even located a Moslem cemetery in front of the gate to prevent Mashiach ben David from walking through it to the gate because he is holy.



Does this mean that the Muslims do believe in the Jewish Messaiah but think that they can stop him from coming to save them?

[Trish1947]

This is the difficulty that I am having with an earthly temple being built. I have been taught many things, (not all based on any truth) if you know what I mean? But I understood that the temple that is discribed in Daniel measures a total of 1,500 miles square.. now I'm sure that no man is going to build a temple that large located in Isreal? There will be a temple built but its not the the Heavenly? So is there going to be 2?

[AnthonyForChrist]

This is the difficulty that I am having with an earthly temple being built. I have been taught many things, (not all based on any truth) if you know what I mean? But I understood that the temple that is discribed in Daniel measures a total of 1,500 miles square.. now I'm sure that no man is going to build a temple that large located in Isreal? There will be a temple built but its not the the Heavenly? So is there going to be 2?I'm guessing that the true third Temple is supposed to be the one established in New Yerushaliyim under the millennial reign of Messiah; that the earthly temple will be built without Divine blessing, without recognition by Israel of the New Covenant. Therefore, the abomination of desolation will occur when Antichrist defiles the sanctity of what the Temple represents by claiming himself to be Messiah, or G-d. Afterwards, we assume that because of this, Israel as a whole comes to accept the New Covenant and becomes engaged in conflict with the Antichrist, as is represented by the Two Witnesses. Here, Antichrist finds himself in a a spiritual battle with the unification of the Christian and the Jew, the whole of Israel under the New Covenant, until the second coming of Messiah, who then assumes His role as Messiah ben David. I believe that the role of the Messianic Jews is to prepare Israel, as it is now, for that day.

[Trish1947]

I'm guessing that the true third Temple is supposed to be the one established in New Yerushaliyim under the millennial reign of Messiah; that the earthly temple will be built without Divine blessing, without recognition by Israel of the New Covenant. Therefore, the abomination



This is exactly what I believe also, that it has to take place to prepare the hearts of them waiting for their messiah. It makes me sad inside though. But G-d is perfect in all His ways.

[Henaynei]

Scripturally there are/will be 8 Temples:



1 is the number of G-d’s singularity

1) The one in Heaven on which all others are based



2 is temporary or incomplete

2) The Tabernacle in the Wilderness



3 is G-dly perfection, glory and the expression of G-d’s perfect will

3) Solomon’s Temple



4 is the biblical number or testing or trial

4) Nehemiah’s Temple



5 is the number of man

5) The “Temple not made with hands” – the surrendered heart



6 is the representation of sinfulness

6) The “Third” Temple



7 is perfect completion and the number of Moshiakh

7) The Millennial Temple



8 is the biblical number for New Beginnings

8) The “New Jerusalem Temple” which comes from Heaven is Temple #1

[Trish1947]

I'm guessing that the true third Temple is supposed to be the one established in New Yerushaliyim under the millennial reign of Messiah; that the earthly temple will be built without Divine blessingI have a question. Since I believe that the next Temple to be built in Jerusalem will have a man sit and claim himself G-d, Is it wrong to contribute to the building of this temple? We are being asked by our church ministers to help financially to the building of it. If a man of sin is going to sit there, I just dont feel like helping with that. Maybe I dont see the whole picture.

[Henaynei]

I have a question. Since I believe that the next Temple to be built in Jerusalem will have a man sit and claim himself G-d, Is it wrong to contribute to the building of this temple? We are being asked by our church ministers to help financially to the building of it. If a man of sin is going to sit there, I just dont feel like helping with that. Maybe I dont see the whole picture.Try to remember that there has never been a Temple, nor Tabernacle in which sin was not committed. Even (or should I say especially) in Yeshua's day, yet He and the apostles continued to support the Temple and to honor others who did so (remember the Widow's mite?).



According to His instructions, Torah, there is to be a Temple, there are to be sacrifices and we are to obey. The point is not who or what might desecrate the Temple at some point (although even that is part of G-d's plan) but rather do we obey His instructions/Torah and with what heart/kavannah do we obey??



So my answer is YES we should support the rebuilding of the Temple, for in doing so we both obey HaShem and hasten the return of Messiah!!

[Trish1947]

Try to remember that there has never been a Temple, nor Tabernacle in which sin was not committed. Even (or should I say especially) in Yeshua's day, yet He and the apostles continued to support the Temple and to honor others who did so

I know that the building of the Temple is going to help purify them and get them ready to accept the Messiah, and they have alot to go through to get there, But when Jesus says, 'When you see the abomination of desolation, spoken by Daniel, standing where it aught not, Then look up for your redemption draweth nigh". Is he not referring to the Temple building itself? How can we support a building that Jesus refers to as an abomination. Or is he referring to the one who sits as G-d?

[Henaynei]

I know that the building of the Temple is going to help purify them and get them ready to accept the Messiah, and they have alot to go through to get there, But when Jesus says, 'When you see the abomination of desolation, spoken by Daniel, standing where it aught not, Then look up for your redemption draweth nigh". Is he not referring to the Temple building itself? How can we support a building that Jesus refers to as an abomination. Or is he referring to the one who sits as G-d?

NO, the bulding, the Temple, is not the abomination - the one who claims to be G-d - he and his actions are the abomination.

What does Daniel say??

Daniel 11:31 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=da+11:31&version=nkj&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1)

And forces shall be mustered by him (the anti-Messiah), and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifice (which are happening IN the Temple), and place (in the Temple)there the abomination of desolation.

Daniel 12:11 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=da+12:11&version=nkj&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1)

And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away (which were being performed in the Temple), and the abomination of desolation is set up (IN the Temple), there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.


It is pretty obvious it is what is DONE and WHO does it that are the abomination - NOT the structure, i.e. Temple, in which they do it.

Scripture aslo says that there WILL be acceptable sacrifices in this Temple.

It is what is done, the reasons and kavanah of the "doer" that determines what is or is not abomination.

Shalom

[Trish1947]

NO, the bulding, the Temple, is not the abomination - the one who claims to be G-d - he and his actions are the abomination.

What does Daniel say??


Have you ever thought about who this person (anti-Messiah) would be affiliated with? I've thought about it. When they start the sacrifices again, the Jews are going to have so much trouble with this. The animal rights activists are going to be all over them for killing animals. It's just not acceptable anymore. Everyone will totally be against this, not understanding it. In todays society,humans and animals have rights. Just about every Leader in the world just for that reason alone will end the sacrifices. Isreal will be hated just for that reason alone. They love the creature more than the Creator. Any thoughts?

[AnthonyForChrist]

I'm guessing that the true third Temple is supposed to be the one established in New Yerushaliyim under the millennial reign of Messiah; that the earthly temple will be built without Divine blessing, without recognition by Israel of the New Covenant. Therefore, the abomination



This is exactly what I believe also, that it has to take place to prepare the hearts of them waiting for their messiah. It makes me sad inside though. But G-d is perfect in all His ways.
I always understood that the "temple" is the hearts of men, no longer in buildings of stone. That the destruction of the second Temple in 70 A.D. was a testament to this (and Israel's punishment for rejecting Messiah ben Yosef.)

[AnthonyForChrist]

And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away (which were being performed in the Temple), and the abomination of desolation is set up (IN the Temple), there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
I always understood the abomination of desolation to be the Anti-Messiah proclaiming himself to be Messiah, or G-d. However, I don't believe the temple itself to be really "kosher" itself, as it will not be associated with the New Covenant. This isn't a pro-Christian statement, I just think that when they see that the Anti-Messiah isn't the one who will usher in the "Messianic Age," they will understand Yeshua as Messiah, and the Jews' hopes will be renewed.

[Henaynei]

Have you ever thought about who this person (anti-Messiah) would be affiliated with? I've thought about it. When they start the sacrifices again, the Jews are going to have so much trouble with this. The animal rights activists are going to be all over them for killing animals. It's just not acceptable anymore. Everyone will totally be against this, not understanding it. In todays society,humans and animals have rights. Just about every Leader in the world just for that reason alone will end the sacrifices. Isreal will be hated just for that reason alone. They love the creature more than the Creator. Any thoughts?Absolutely - it is not so far fetched, in today's and tomorrow's world, to see that this may factor significantly into the "whole world" coming against Israel. Including, or especially, the U.S. "Onward, PETA soldiers!"

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Have you ever thought about who this person (anti-Messiah) would be affiliated with? I've thought about it. When they start the sacrifices again, the Jews are going to have so much trouble with this. The animal rights activists are going to be all over them for killing animals. It's just not acceptable anymore. Everyone will totally be against this, not understanding it. In todays society,humans and animals have rights. Just about every Leader in the world just for that reason alone will end the sacrifices. Isreal will be hated just for that reason alone. They love the creature more than the Creator. Any thoughts?
Greetings Trish1047,

Do you know btw that when the Jews sacrificed they consumed quite a bit of each sacrifice. The Levis were given 10% of what was sacrificed. And they ate the meat that was cooked excepter certain items (i.e., fat, blood, etc.)

And btw the kosher method of killing the animal is compassionate toward the animal. For another it is not kosher to eat a strangled animal. Because the adranaline that pumps into the system. That is one of the Kosher laws if I can remember right.

Shalom,

Tag

[Trish1947]

Greetings Trish1047,

Do you know btw that when the Jews sacrificed they consumed quite a bit of each sacrifice. The Levis were given 10% of what was sacrificedBut there is still 90% of the animal left. I don't know. Didn't each family used to sacrifice 3 animals? The first animal blood was shed, (A form of Christ), the second animal was put in the desert, a form of separation from G-d. (Christ on the cross, My G-d, My G-d why hast though for saken me.) then the Preists would change their clothes and wash (a form of Christ assending to his Father), then after 12 hours they would take the third animal and burn it in the fire (a form of Christ decending into hell and taking captivity captive, and taking the Keys of death and Hell away from Satin) so since he was the perfect Lamb.. I just understand why sacrifices are needed.

[AnthonyForChrist]

But there is still 90% of the animal left. I don't know. Didn't each family used to sacrifice 3 animals? The first animal blood was shed, (A form of Christ), the second animal was put in the desert (Christ on the cross, My G-d, My G-d why hast though for saken me. a form of separation from G-d) then the Preists would change their clothes and wash (a form of Christ assending to his Father), then after 12 hours they would take the third animal and burn it in the fire (a form of Christ decending into hell and taking captivity captive, and taking the Keys of death and Hell away from Satin) so since he was the perfect Lamb.. I just understand why sacrifices are needed.
Nice point.

[AnthonyForChrist]

So my answer is YES we should support the rebuilding of the Temple, for in doing so we both obey HaShem and hasten the return of Messiah!I don't agree with that. It's the same line of thinking that conservative Christian fundamentalists use, like George Bush. He's convinced that all this disorder he's created is hastening the coming of the Lord, and the apocalyptic elitists think that this microchip or tattoo implementation is a righteous thing (even though the obvious aim is the mark of the beast enslavement under Antichrist) so that the millennial kingdom would come quicker. The kingdom was rejected, and now it must come in it's due time. Be careful. I don't want to support anything associated with Antichrist, and when I think of supporting the rebuilding of the Temple, I think, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."

[Henaynei]

I don't agree with that. It's the same line of thinking that conservative Christian fundamentalists use, like George Bush. He's convinced that all this disorder he's created is hastening the coming of the Lord, and the apocalyptic elitists think that this microchip or tattoo implementation is a righteous thing (even though the obvious aim is the mark of the beast enslavement under Antichrist) so that the millennial kingdom would come quicker. The kingdom was rejected, and now it must come in it's due time. Be careful. I don't want to support anything associated with Antichrist, and when I think of supporting the rebuilding of the Temple, I think, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."LOL :rolleyes:

If you pay a cable or satellite bill you are "supporting something associated with the anit-Messiah." And that only heads a long list. The enemy has tried to steal every item and symbol that belong to G-d through some supposed tainting - the Rainbow, the Magen Dovid and on and on and the Temple - you can swallow his offal and surrender to him or you can stand and say - This belongs to G-d and with it I will serve G-d for as long as I can.:clap:

The Temple will be built, and acceptable sacrifices will be offered - scripture says so. We are commanded by HaShem to both build and attend the Temple a minimum of 3 times a year. :holy:

As I said before, even in Yeshua's time gross sin and "the anti-Messiah" were at work in the Temple. And yet both He and the apostles honored the Temple and made sacrifices there. Without, I might add, one word as to it's being wrong.

Everything you purchase and use in your daily life are influenced by the "god of this world."

G-d ordained that true worship should be done in the Temple according to His command. Never did He say, "only as long as everything is perfect" - always men in the Temple have been imperfect - even grossly corrupt and abominable - and yet we are still commanded to obey. When we worship in the Temple according to the commands of G-d it is HaShem we worship and honor - until such a time as either one sets himself up as G-d and/or the priests claim a man to be G-d - then I decline - only then!

[Trish1947]

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So my answer is YES we should support the rebuilding of the Temple, for in doing so we both obey HaShem and hasten the return of Messiah

Oh, I have no doubt in my mind that an earthly Temple will be built, It's already written, But to me if you accepted Jesus as your sacrifice, then the whole plan of a earthly temple would be the abomination of desolation. After all, G-d gave His only Son as the sacrifice. But I realize that not all Jews believe that, so they will look forward to going back to the old. I personally in all concience could not contribute to it. But if its necessary, for the Jews to find their Messiah by discovering they had been deceived, then G-d 's plan is most perfect.

[AnthonyForChrist]

Oh, I have no doubt in my mind that an earthly Temple will be built, It's already written, But to me if you accepted Jesus as your sacrifice, then the whole plan of a earthly temple would be the abomination of desolation. After all, G-d gave His only Son as the sacrifice. But I realize that not all Jews believe that, so they will look forward to going back to the old. I personally in all concience could not contribute to it. But if its necessary, for the Jews to find their Messiah by discovering they had been deceived, then G-d 's plan is most perfect.
That's what I always figured. It sounds anti-Semitic, but it's not.

[Trish1947]

That's what I always figured. It sounds anti-Semitic, but it's not.I did not intend for it to sound anti-Semitic at all. My heart breaks to think they may be deceived. I'm a Jew. If it came across as anti-Semitic it certainly was not intended. My statement was just based on what I understand the scriptures say what the Jews will have to go through, to find their Messiah.

[KelsayDL]

I have a question about the often spoken phrase of "the abomination of desolation".


What makes it an abomination? Isn't it the profaning of the holy place?

How can a place be holy if it is not of G-d?


Mt 24:15 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=mt+24:15&version=kjv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) -
when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Doesn't G-d make Holy?


If it is of no value to G-d, worthless, and antichristic, then why in the world did Yeshua call it holy?


Temple theology is fun!

[Big Mouth Nana]

I have a question about the often spoken phrase of "the abomination of desolation".


What makes it an abomination? Isn't it the profaning of the holy place?

How can a place be holy if it is not of G-d?


Mt 24:15 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=mt+24:15&version=kjv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) -
when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Doesn't G-d make Holy?


If it is of no value to G-d, worthless, and antichristic, then why in the world did Yeshua call it holy?


Temple theology is fun!I believe that the abomination is the anti messiah claiming himself to be G-d "IN" the "holy Place". It is pretty abomindable to say you are G-d, and a man empowered by Satan. G-d said that it was a holy place, so that would make it a desolation.

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Pronunciation: "de-s&-'lA-sh&n, "de-z&-
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : the action of desolating (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=desolating)
2 a : GRIEF (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=grief), SADNESS (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sadness) b : LONELINESS (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=loneliness)
This is going to cause our Jewish brothers and sisters alot of grief and saddness, but G-ds plans must be fullfilled. When they recognize the One that they have pierced is going to be a BIG TIME grief and sadness for them.

[AnthonyForChrist]

I have a question about the often spoken phrase of "the abomination of desolation".


What makes it an abomination? Isn't it the profaning of the holy place?

How can a place be holy if it is not of G-d?


Mt 24:15 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=mt+24:15&version=kjv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) -
when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Doesn't G-d make Holy?


If it is of no value to G-d, worthless, and antichristic, then why in the world did Yeshua call it holy?


Temple theology is fun!
It may be counted as sanctified by God, in that He will see the Jews desiring to sacrifice to Him and thus draw close to Him, but the Jews will see the abomination of desolation and understand that the Temple is no longer necessary, as we have Messiah. The Temple itself may be an act of devotion to G-d, and not without worth, but it is not something I will not support (like I wouldn't pay for its construction or lay its bricks) as I understand that the Temple is not needed, given Messiah was our sacrifice. It will happen, as prophecy says, whether I were to support it or not. I just wouldn't feel comfortable. Now, do I wish the Temple to be built sooner than later? Yes, but for don't long the death and deception it's construction will entail. I want the Messiah to come and take His throne as King, but I don't want the Jews to suffer as they will.

[AnthonyForChrist]

I don't agree with that. It's the same line of thinking that conservative Christian fundamentalists use, like George Bush. He's convinced that all this disorder he's created is hastening the coming of the Lord, and the apocalyptic elitists think that this microchip or tattoo implementation is a righteous thing (even though the obvious aim is the mark of the beast enslavement under Antichrist) so that the millennial kingdom would come quicker. The kingdom was rejected, and now it must come in it's due time. Be careful. I don't want to support anything associated with Antichrist, and when I think of supporting the rebuilding of the Temple, I think, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
The Temple will be rebuilt, and it will be sanctified to the Jews, but they will see that Messiah has already come, and will recognize thereafter that sacrifice is unnecessary.

[Trish1947]

I have a question about the often spoken phrase of "the abomination of desolation".


What makes it an abomination? Isn't it the profaning of the holy place?

How can a place be holy if it is not of G-d?


The most prescious thing that G-d gave was His only begotten Son. He sent him here to offer his body for our sins, to suffer separation from His Father, because "He took upon Himself the sins of the word, in His body on a tree. He suffered extreme spiritual separation from His Father. My G-d, My G-d, why hast thou forsaken me. At that moment G-d turned away from his Son, because G-d let Jesus experiance how it feels to be totally separated from Him, because He became sin for us.

Now saying all that.. How can G-d accept the flesh of animals now, when G-d's Son offered His body as the flesh and blood offering, once and for all.
It's not the Temple thats the abomination of desolation, its the sacrifices going on inside the Temple.

As long as we're in the age of Grace, and still time to accept the sacrifice of G-ds Son through the preaching of the Gospel no animal sacrifices will be acceptable. Now when the age of Grace comes to a close. Then they will have to start the animal sacrifices again. You only have a span of time when salvation through Jesus Christ will be offered.

[Pray4Isrel]

This may sound strange, but I believe the rebuilding of the Temple is soon at hand. It also ties into some prophecies in Revelation that have already been referred to in this thread.

I had the privilege of going into the Dome of the Rock on two seperate occasions... reason I say it's a "privilege" is the fact that I got to get an idea of where the Temple was and kinda envision it's layout. It was also a privilege because the Arabs actually let us in though they were very upset about it - Oh well! :D The inside of the Dome is another thread in itself... I would be happy to share my experiences inside the Dome. I also got to go into the Western Wall Tunnels... which lead to the estimated place of the Holy of Holies... talk about one of my most memorable experiences!!!


Anyway, the rebuilding of the third Temple is soon:
While in Israel I was also able to visit the Temple Institute in Jerusalem: http://www.templeinstitute.org/main.html

Not only are the preistly garments being made, but the preparations for proper sacrifice, and the tracing of those that are descedents of Levi is already in progress. There is a mainframe computer that is tracing lineage back to Levi and preparing those of his existing descendents for preistly duties. I have a picture of where the mainframe is and can post it someday for you. Also, the instruments are being made as well... exciting times we are living in!


Why am I excited about the Third Temple? It's one step closer to Yeshua's Return!

[KelsayDL]

I see.

So, the temple is holy and will be profaned.

Yet it (the temple) is not of God.


It all makes perfect sense now...

[Trish1947]

I see.

So, the temple is holy and will be profaned.

Yet it (the temple) is not of God.


It all makes perfect sense now

Yes, we seek a Heavenly, who's builder and Maker is G-d.

[ImAHebrew]

Shalom All,

I like to look at things in a spiritual/symbolic sense. The Holy Place was the "outer tent," the Holy of Holies was the "inner tent." The writer of Hebrews tells us that the way INTO the Holy of Holies could not be disclosed while the Holy Place was still standing, and then he gives us a clue as to what the Holy Place represents:

Hebrews 9:9...which is a symbol for the present time.
I am convinced that the "present time" refers to this present age, and that Mashiach did enter this present age just once for the atonement/redemption of His people. In the process of Him entering this present age (outer tent/Holy Place), He was "lifted up" (made to stand). This lifting up of the Mashiach (His Crucifixion) (Jn 12:32-33), is the most unjust, abominable event that has ever occurred in the history of man. The most holy, righteous, truthful being that ever walked in this present age was lifted up and made a spectacle of. Can anyone think of a more abominable event? The scourging, spitting upon, mocking, hating, and killing of Yahshua was totally undeserved. He was the only person who did not deserve to have this abominable injustice done to them.

Now just think about what happened when He was "lifted up?" ALL men (all of mankind, all sinners) were drawn to Him (Jn 12:32), and were put to death. When He died, ALL died (2 Cor 5:14). A desolation of gigantic proportion occurred. The death of ALL occurred when Yahshua was lifted up/made to stand in this present age/holy place.

Those who dwell in Yehudah (praising Elohim), and "see" this abomination (Yahshua's undeserved suffering and death), should flee to the mountains of righteousness (Ps 36:6). Yahshua wants us to flee from sin when we see His death, burial, and resurrection. But it is only ears that hear "spiritually," and eyes that see "spiritually," that truly understand what the Spirit intended to speak. May we all have good spiritual hearing and sight.

Blessings in The Name,
ImAHebrew

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

But there is still 90% of the animal left. I don't know. Didn't each family used to sacrifice 3 animals? The first animal blood was shed, (A form of Christ), the second animal was put in the desert, a form of separation from G-d. (Christ on the cross, My G-d, My G-d why hast though for saken me.) then the Preists would change their clothes and wash (a form of Christ assending to his Father), then after 12 hours they would take the third animal and burn it in the fire (a form of Christ decending into hell and taking captivity captive, and taking the Keys of death and Hell away from Satin) so since he was the perfect Lamb.. I just understand why sacrifices are needed.
Please forgive my long awaited answer :)

I meant to say the non-priests eat the sacrificed animal and the Levites get 10% is what I meant to say. My mistake in wording.

Shalom,
Tag

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Also a fellowship friend has been working on the plans for the Temple plus actually more then the Temple, A Kingdom District as he states. Check it out at the website he is putting together.

The Present... A Kingdom District (http://www.tenderbranch.us/synapse/homepage/view_public.cfm?edit_id=35&website=TenderBranch.US)
'The PRESENT' for YAH


Who wraps "The PRESENT"? (http://www.tenderbranch.us/synapse/news/fullstory_public.cfm?articleid=15998&website=TenderBranch.US)

Shalom and Shalom,

Tag

[visionary]

Shalom All,

I like to look at things in a spiritual/symbolic sense. The Holy Place was the "outer tent," the Holy of Holies was the "inner tent." The writer of Hebrews tells us that the way INTO the Holy of Holies could not be disclosed while the Holy Place was still standing, and then he gives us a clue as to what the Holy Place represents:

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I am convinced that the "present time" refers to this present age, and that Mashiach did enter this present age just once for the atonement/redemption of His people. In the process of Him entering this present age (outer tent/Holy Place), He was "lifted up" (made to stand). This lifting up of the Mashiach (His Crucifixion) (Jn 12:32-33), is the most unjust, abominable event that has ever occurred in the history of man. The most holy, righteous, truthful being that ever walked in this present age was lifted up and made a spectacle of. Can anyone think of a more abominable event? The scourging, spitting upon, mocking, hating, and killing of Yahshua was totally undeserved. He was the only person who did not deserve to have this abominable injustice done to them.

Now just think about what happened when He was "lifted up?" ALL men (all of mankind, all sinners) were drawn to Him (Jn 12:32), and were put to death. When He died, ALL died (2 Cor 5:14). A desolation of gigantic proportion occurred. The death of ALL occurred when Yahshua was lifted up/made to stand in this present age/holy place.

Those who dwell in Yehudah (praising Elohim), and "see" this abomination (Yahshua's undeserved suffering and death), should flee to the mountains of righteousness (Ps 36:6). Yahshua wants us to flee from sin when we see His death, burial, and resurrection. But it is only ears that hear "spiritually," and eyes that see "spiritually," that truly understand what the Spirit intended to speak. May we all have good spiritual hearing and sight.

Blessings in The Name,
ImAHebrew

While the outer place is still standing.......while the ministry of Yeshua, the lifting up of Yeshua's earthly sacrifice is before the people.

There comes a time when it is necessary to leave the outer court. As it is prophesied in Daniel, this part of the sanctuary services will be taken away, by the overflowing abominations and move into the inner court.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations were determined.

Yeshua, who is currently officiating in the heavenly sanctuary, is stopped by Satan. Have you ever puzzled as to how this is possible? When the Antichrist stops the offering of the daily sacrifice, that is the outer court area where the sacrifices are performed. So you ask “how can the daily sacrifice be stopped by Satan?” May I make these suggestions?

If Satan can stop people from praying for repentance, there is no need for the daily sacrifice and its service.

If Satan can get people to not look to Yeshua, for one reason or another, then there is no need for Yeshua to perform the daily sacrifice priestly service before His Heavenly Father. Maybe they believe Satan to be Yeshua come the second time?

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

For those that are not familiar with Daniel, he was given a vision of the last days, which has puzzled many for centuries.

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Casting down the sanctuary, by belittling the work Yeshua is doing as our sacrifice, as our High Priest, as our saviour and redeemer. The daily sacrifice is taken away be reason of transgression, truth regarding the Heavenly sanctuary and Yeshua's ministry cast to the ground, and the lies are being practiced and prospering through out all nations, kindred and tongue. No wonder it is called the transgression of desolation.

It is important to remember that in Revelation it talks about the outer court and the fact that it is not included in the measurement of God’s Temple.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the Holy City shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

I believe that it has to do with the fulfillment of the fall feasts, where the people of God are moved into the inner court by faith by the Feasts of Trumpets, for the Day of Atonment, and all those who do not by faith enter in are left without. To me Daniel 9;24 is talking about the Day of Atonement and its fulfillment. Day of Atonement is to finish the transgression for the year by tradition, but in reality it is symbolic for that time when it will for all time finish the transgression, make an end to sins, and make the reconciliation for iniquity and bring in everlasting righteousness and anoint the most Holy. After all, on the Big Day of Atonement, Yeshua is to be crowned King of Kings, Lord of Lords for it is His coronation, It is also His Wedding Day.

Daniel 9 :24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel 8 :14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Revelation 11 :3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

The Bible does give us clues as to when does the 2300 day period starts. Appointed times are the feasts when all are commanded to gather. Gabriel himself said:

Daniel 8:17 For at the time of the end shall be the vision. 19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. 23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, 26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.'

This has been the puzzle in prophecy that many have tried to calculate using the numbers provided as to when this occurred or is still to occur. While not get into the calculations of this prophecy time of fulfillment, it hit me that it is important to bring it up. The sanctuary mentioned in this prophecy is not an earthly sanctuary or temple in Jerusalem; but the Temple of God, which is the divine original Moses was shown in the mountain and of which he made an earthly copy.

Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10: And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11: Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.