Will all Christian Denominations go to Heaven?

[flyingsum0]

We will all just be one big happy family in God's glorious kingdom?

[bluemarkus]

1 corinthians 3 gives the answer

[thunderbyrd]

yes, there will be Christians from all denominations in Heaven. and there will be "christians" from all denominations that don't make it, too.

[TCat]

Agreed, Christians from all around the world and from many denominations and non-denominations will be in Heaven, but not all who call themselves christian with be there.

[serephim02]

pretty much what they^^^ said.

[Amisk]

Denominations are a man founded thing. In fact they have likely caused more problems in the Christian family than they have brought good.

According to the Bible only people who have repented of their sins and asked Jesus into their hearts will entre Heaven.

While there will be church members in Heaven there will also be church members in Hell, but there will be no Christians in hell, so we have to make up our minds in this life where we will spend eternity. After we have given our lives to Christ our lives must reflect a change that proves we have accepted Jesus as the only way to come before God the Father. We can not repent of our sin and have no change in our lifestyle and attitude.
The truth of the matter is all church denominations can not save us. Our minister or priest can not save us. We are saved solely through the shed blood of Jesus alone and only folks washed in the blood of Jesus will be in heaven.

[Cloudz]

I believe even the Jewsih faith is in heaven..

[Amisk]

I believe even the Jewsih faith is in heaven..

Luke spoke clearly on who will be saved and who will not when he wrote: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

Jesus himself said,"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" John 14:6

[Monica02]

Well, the saying goes that everyone in Heaven in Catholic. The Catholics that made it will be Catholic and everyone else who made it will now know that the Catholic Church was God's Church.

Heaven is, of course, is the Church Triumphant wing of the Church.

[Amisk]

Well, the saying goes that everyone in Heaven in Catholic. The Catholics that made it will be Catholic and everyone else who made it will now know that the Catholic Church was God's Church.

Heaven is, of course, is the Church Triumphant wing of the Church.

The sad truth is that many folks are going to hear Christ's warning when He said "Depart from me for I never knew you".

Salvation came through Jesus Christ and not any church denomination. If you can find a verse in the Bible that names the Roman Catholic Church or any Protestant group as being the gate way to Heaven I wish you would post. Of course your verse must keep in context with the rest of the Bible.

[xristos.anesti]

Only God knows.

ICXC
NIKA

[Lightbearer3]

The grace of God is not in a box and only let out when we choose, thank goodness. I voted: Many denonminations of those who are saved(through Jesus).

[pgp_protector]

Nope, no Denomination will be saved.

Only People are saved.

[Stinker]

Just the remnant are going to be in heaven.

[Mankin]

Christians will be there, not demonations. There will be no different demonations in heaven.

[faith guardian]

Many denominations.
What denomination you belong to, what church you go to does not decide whether or not you get saved.

[Mankin]

My honest opinion, I don't think that one particular denomination has everything perfectly right. I mean we cannot know exactly the right way to worship God and to interpret Scipture until we get to heaven. I believe that my denomination has some things right that other denominations get wrong but I don't think that we have everything perfectly right. Everyone who expects Jesus as their personal Savior will go to heaven.

God bless.

[Mankin]

My honest opinion, I don't think that one particular denomination has everything perfectly right. I mean we cannot know exactly the right way to worship God and to interpret Scipture until we get to heaven. I believe that my denomination has some things right that other denominations get wrong but I don't think that we have everything perfectly right. Everyone who expects Jesus as their personal Savior will go to heaven.

God bless.

Perhaps I am wrong about that no one denomination has it perfectly right. Idk, it was just a thought. I still agree with my last statement though.

[Ravenonthecross]

How about let us STOP worrying about who's going. We all must be penitent for our sins and live lives of fasting, penance, love, and charity and obedience unto the Lord God, and unto the Holy Church he established to carry out his will, in which he reveals himself in truth, and showers his faithful with grace. Only the Lord God in his infinite mercy knows who is going to heaven.

[ILove2Worship]

As long as you are living the life and getting straight and following the way of Christ you will make it into heaven. But analyzing, coding, and intreputting the Bible how you want it wont get you there.

[EmperorConstantine]

I voted other.

God is the judge. He will judge us all and He will see fit who goes where.

With this small fact in mind, I find it odd how different folks try to say "Mary Sue will NEVER go to heaven because she is not ____(fill in the blank)".

Seriously, it is God who decides who goes where. Why should we be taking His job by saying the above quotations?

[-Z-]

As long as you are living the life and getting straight and following the way of Christ you will make it into heaven. But analyzing, coding, and intreputting the Bible how you want it wont get you there.
So basically I can get there by works? Yay! Thank you for coverting me to mormonism. (Satire)

I think that many people from many of the denominations will be in Heaven. However I think that whomever had the nerve to divide the church into denominations rather than work it out as a church body ought to go to Hell.

[crawfish]

Denominations will not go to heaven. Only Christians will. I seriously doubt we'll be divided with Christ standing before us. :)

To make this perfectly clear, people will go to heaven regardless of denomination. The "denomination" itself makes scant difference with God's grace. This isn't to say that some will not be led astray by false teachings - the bible itself supports this - but, in the end it's the Christian's heart that will be judged and not the particular group they belong to.

However: my own non-denominational denomination, the church of Christ, may be granted a non-harp corner. ;)

[serephim02]

I highly doubt there will be separate sections in heaven. Much like this episode of the simpsons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RMzA82H-Qo
If this is true I wanna be in catholic heaven with the irish. lol

[Aibrean]

As long as you are living the life and getting straight and following the way of Christ you will make it into heaven. But analyzing, coding, and intreputting the Bible how you want it wont get you there.
Following the way of Christ doesn't save you. That would be like saying "oh Jesus was a great person. I will be a great person too and I will go to heaven".

You have to believe that by grace, through faith Jesus died for your sins, and paved the way so you can have eternal life. The following bit is making him Lord of your life, but that means nothing if you don't believe in what he did for you.

I believe that those who believe Jesus is Lord and Savior and that he is the ONLY way, truth, and life will go to "heaven" (God will create a new heaven and new earth). Those who don't won't.

This is what Mormon's believe (I pulled this straight from their site):
Knowing that we would commit sin in mortality, your loving Heavenly Father provided a Savior, Jesus Christ, who by His sacrifice would make it possible for all people who would comply with His gospel teachings to be forgiven through repentance and return to live with Him.

Ephesians 2:4-10

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

We can't do anything on our own. The Bible says so.

[calidog]

We will all just be one big happy family in God's glorious kingdom?
People like this will be in heaven:

Luk 23:42 And he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.

[LivingWordUnity]

Salvation came through Jesus Christ and not any church denomination. If you can find a verse in the Bible that names the Roman Catholic Church or any Protestant group as being the gate way to Heaven I wish you would post. Of course your verse must keep in context with the rest of the Bible.And of course that means that if it goes against what you believe then it is not in the context of the rest of the Bible.

When taken into context, the whole Bible is Catholic. Catholic means "universal". The Church is called the Catholic Church because it describes the mission of the Church to preach to all nations as Jesus told the apostles to do.

[EmperorConstantine]

I highly doubt there will be separate sections in heaven. Much like this episode of the simpsons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RMzA82H-Qo
If this is true I wanna be in catholic heaven with the irish. lol
Rev. Lovejoy is sorta right in the whole "different faith means a different afterlife" part, but only when comparing religions such as Mormonism vs. Hinduism or something like that.

Protestantism, Catholicism and Orthodoxy: all same religion.

[-Z-]

And of course that means that if it goes against what you believe then it is not in the context of the rest of the Bible.

When taken into context, the whole Bible is Catholic. Catholic means "universal". The Church is called the Catholic Church because it describes the mission of the Church to preach to all nations as Jesus told the apostles to do.
Show me a verse. And I will show the exact literal context of the passage as it was intended in the original language. The Catholic church takes a number of liberties in their doctrine that border on the side of herecy. So you should be careful when saying that the bible is Catholic.

[djconklin]

Luke spoke clearly on who will be saved and who will not when he wrote: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

Only Christ saves is Luke's point. But, what about those who never heard of His name? Are they to be excluded because they never had the opportunity to know? Would you want to serve a God who would do a thing like that? God is a God of love. As one pastor put it: God is looking for an excuse to save you.

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And of course that means that if it goes against what you believe then it is not in the context of the rest of the Bible.

Not only does that assume facts that aren't in evidence, it is quite insulting and unChristlike.

[Disippelen]

My honest opinion, I don't think that one particular denomination has everything perfectly right. I mean we cannot know exactly the right way to worship God and to interpret Scipture until we get to heaven. I believe that my denomination has some things right that other denominations get wrong but I don't think that we have everything perfectly right. Everyone who expects Jesus as their personal Savior will go to heaven.

God bless.

Thanks man, this is a good post. I agree with you.


Dis :)

[Mankin]

[quote=Disippelen;37119043]Thanks man, this is a good post. I agree with you.


Dis :)[/quote

Your welcome, man. Christians who say only their denomination will go to heaven get on my nerves.

[Jerrell]

Denomiantions don't go to heaven. People who have accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior go to Heaven, no matter the denomiantion.

[Jerrell]

All religions started out seeking God, But God finally revealed himself to the Jews as Jehovah, and finally in the Person of Jesus Christ, in a sense he sought us, and bought us with the blood of Jesus. Every other religion has sought after God, and God has not revealed himself in those, they worship other things.

They seek God, but they ignore him by rejecting Jesus.

[Disippelen]

Yeah, mankin.. there's been to much of that mentality.. that only one's own church is perfect etc.. in fact, none of us are perfect except Jesus himself.

I'm glad that more and more Christians realize that the Jesus-life is the thing, not denominational rivalry..

Dis :)

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:
speaking unto the OP.

I will have to say: all denomination of faithful accepting and declaring Jesus as savior will be saved. Only the devote though.

I say all denominations because there is a verse about the Inheritance of Jesus: Where he speaks of How he " polluted his inheritance" Its like saying those of kingdom to come or inheritance, had a faith which was not pure but was polluted.

Since we have 2000 different truths of men in denominations; Proverbs " Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts."

Original poster asked for Opinion; I pray no one takes offense by my opinion.

God bless C.F. and all who use it.

[fireman1173005]

I believe all who accept Christ will be there. Now there are those religions who claim to be Christian religion but are far from it. I don't think they will be there.

Just my 2 cents.

Brian

[Aibrean]

[quote=Disippelen;37119043]Thanks man, this is a good post. I agree with you.


Dis :)[/quote

Your welcome, man. Christians who say only their denomination will go to heaven get on my nerves.
kind of like traditional SDA.

[serephim02]

Noone knows to be honest. Just because you say so doesnt make it fact. I dont see anyone by the name of Jesus Christ on this board =)

As far as the denominations saying theirs is the right way....well duh I mean of course I am gonna think I am right and your wrong! lol but I dont believe differing views will seperate us in christ's eye. I think as long as you have accepted christ you will be there with him.

I mean if you think that killing in Christ's name is ok then you have some issues you need to work out with Him. However things like rock in church or wearing dresses is meaningless in a time where there are so many other issues that need to be worked out! Join together and spread His gospels please.

BTW I will continue to post here because I wont be able to spread Jesus's word in a place already crowded with christians lol. If they all leave then who will spread His Word? So all remaining christians stay here in for.ums to help save those that dont know his word please?

[fishon]

No Denomination is going to heaven, only Born again people.
fishon

[lismore]

yes, there will be Christians from all denominations in Heaven. and there will be "christians" from all denominations that don't make it, too.

true:wave:

The bible says that 'everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved' (Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13).

Thats the key to heaven...............

[New_Wineskin]

We will all just be one big happy family in God's glorious kingdom?

Other -

*NO* denomination will go to heaven . Denominations are clubs not people . They consist of people but add all of the overhead , as well . Individuals from most or all denominations may be saved . But , they won't be saved by their denominations - they will be saved by the Lord .

[david01]

That's exactly why I answered other. Christ did not die for the sins of denominations (of which there are many).

[stranger]

Jesus promised all truth to those who really follow him - John 16:13

Thus anyone who does not know all truth long enough before death to become as perfect as Jesus , sinless, is not following him at all... and as he says will be rejected by hm if not ceased to be a sinner before his return [or before their death if that is sooner]

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How can this be if Jesus came to save all sinners? ... clearly Jesus never intended to save all sinners now, he states how many will be taken at his return [Rev 7:3-4]

God then requires only 144,000 saints as firstfruits to begin the stablishment of His kingdom on earth, no sinners at all , only those sinners who give up sin in time ... this then the very foundation of God which sinner churches full of sinners obviously do not agree with Jesus andd the saints upon...

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Who is right then? I think we can judge that, so why do the divided denominations , of whom at very most one could be right, lay claim to the vast majority of 'christians'? Simply because empty vessels make the most sound and people like to follow the herd ... it is inconvenient to follow the scripture and what Jesus and the saints say, one would become an outcast for doing so, like Jesus and the saints [LOL?]

So who is the covenant of grace with, ST Paul in the scripture says that it is only with those whose fathers broke the old covenant [Heb 8:8-9] , but sinners teach atht anyone can come along and be saved just by saying they believe in Jesus and inviting him in ...

the truth is then that the saints and Jesus ahve it right, the churches for all their popularity with sinners have it wrong ... there are no orders of priest of the enw covenant except Jesus' order, the order of Melchisedec , there is no 'haed of the church' in place of the son of God, Jesus is the only head of the saints and there simply never were any sinners in the congregation of God ...

How do the many sinners get saved then , if Jesus takes only the few who find the narrow strait way of santhood in this life ?

Clearly sinners cannot be resurrected until the second resurrection, but they are freed from sin by death, they never needed grace, so God never offered them it :-

Romans 6:7 [KJV] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:7 [REB] For, he that hath died, hath become righteously acquitted from his sin.

So men who died in sin have ben paid the wages of sin in death and have the opportunity to live righteous lives, perfecting their love in the new earth :-

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

If one turns from sin then one's past sins are forgotten by God [Ezek 18:21] , so the many who go through destruction in death for sake of their sin are indeed saved by the BROAD way, just as Jesus confirms they are saved AFTERWARD -Rev 7:9-10

sinners then have it wrong about their own salvation, the many are saved in the new earth, not in this earth ... the few of Israel are first simply because God set them to be first in prophecy and His very name rests on them being a nation of priests in His kingdom as He said so long ago -Exodus 19:6

By not reading ALL the scripture of God then, sinners are believing things that are not said in scripture at all... and so Jesus will indeed leave them behind because they did not obey him as Lord and love, they comntinued in sin because sinners taught them it was OK to be a sinner all their life, that they would still be saved if still a sinner at Jesus' return...

One has then to decide whether to believe the popular lines of some group of sinners, or what Jesus says, ,that he will not take anyone who has not departed from sin by his return...

[annie1speed]

God did not intend for there to be denominations. Christ died for one church, not several. Jesus told Peter 'on this rock I will build MY (singular) church'.

Who will go to Heaven? Those who do what the Bible (Christ) says we should do. Are you 'just a Christian'? That is all we need to be. :hug:

Annie

[stranger]

God did not intend for there to be denominations. Christ died for one church, not several. Jesus told Peter 'on this rock I will build MY (singular) church'.

Who will go to Heaven? Those who do what the Bible (Christ) says we should do. Are you 'just a Christian'? That is all we need to be. :hug:

Annie

Claiming to be a 'christian' is not enough at all according to Jesus, and st Paul says who are Christians [and thus who are not] :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Matt 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

So one is either a sinner or a saint by the time of Jesus' return [or one's death if sooner] and if not then Jesus will leave one behind to be resurrected at the second resurrection with all other sinners that one called 'unbelievers' for the salvation of the many [Rev 7:9-10] that Jesus promised for the many who go by the broad way in this life [Matt 7}

I dunno why you argue with such clear scripture but it may be that you prefer what sinners teach to what Jesus and St Paul teach in scripture ... we will have to wait to see it the sinners you believe are right , or Jesus and St Paul... time will tell of course when Jesus returns... but we have only those same scriptures that say he will only take saints, no sinners, that say he will return... so why believe parts of the scripture and not all of it ?

[annie1speed]

You may have misunderstood me.

I did not say all those who claim to be Christian will go to Heaven. I was referring to those who are truly Christians, member of the Lord's church will go to Heaven.

I agree fully that there is more to just calling on Jesus in being a Christian.

The Bible tells us that there will be some who cast out devis in His name to whom He will say 'I never knew you.'

My point was that who goes to Heaven and who doesn't is not denomination specific because God didn't mean for there to be denominations. Paul wrotes to the Corinthians who were saying 'I am of Apollos' and so forth that they were not to have any divisions among them. That they were to all be of Christ. Do you see what I am saying here?

Being a Christian involves more than going to church on Sunday (or Saturday, ;) ) and affiliating yourself with a denomination, it is your whole life.

Now the question of how to become a Christian comes up. Again, we must look to the Bible and follow what it says, like we look to the Bible for instruction on how we are to live. The book of Acts gives us example upon example of how the Lord added people to His church such as would be saved when they did as they were commanded. We read the book of Acts to see how to become a Christian, the epistles to see how to live as a Christian, and the book of Revelation among others to see the final victory and reward that awaits us.

So who will go to Heaven? Those who do what the Bible says to do.

[stranger]

You may have misunderstood me.

I did not say all those who claim to be Christian will go to Heaven. I was referring to those who are truly Christians, member of the Lord's church will go to Heaven.

I agree fully that there is more to just calling on Jesus in being a Christian.

The Bible tells us that there will be some who cast out devils in His name to whom He will say 'I never knew you.'


Ah, yes , I see what you mean ... but the distinction made in scripture is that ALL those who follow Jesus , who really become Christians then, cease to sin , they are all saints ...

Whereas almost all modern christian denominations today even have sinners as 'priests' and massive congregations of sinners in the larger denominations, far larger that the tens of thousands of saints spanning nearly two thousand years [that's about only two thousand Christians alive at any one time on average ,according to Jesus himself Rev 7:3-8 , Jude 1:14 also confirms that the figure of tens of thousands is accurate by reference to Enoch , the Hebrew being unambiguous , really signifying that the number of saints is between 20,000 and 199,999 , confirming the figure of 144, 000 given by Jesus is LITERAL ,not symbolic as some claim]

Thus there may be about two thousand Christians, true saints , not sinners any longer, scattered amongst the nations still seeking out the House of Israel as Jesus instructed the original saints .... but clearly this has nothing whatever to do with denominational creedal christianity of sinners led by sinners in the churches , the saints likely have never congregated again after the seven churches of God were destroyed .

You will see hierarchies of discordant sinners running the churches, all with private beliefs , thus none united in the one truth promised by Jesus to all who follow him [John 16:13] ... you will see hewn altars which witness against those who preach the false gospel form them
Mark 14:9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Exodus 20:25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

Worst of all you will find fat priests in areas where the poor are in direst straits nad the huge 'churches' still sit by and let 50,000 , mostly little kids, starve to death EVERY DAY ... what witness could say so much against modern sinner 'christianity' as this ?

One could go on through scripture and disprove almost every dogma they have set in stone before undertstanding the scripture is ONE truth , not many ... and Christians become saints in life long enough BEFORE death to be TRIED in faith during life in perfection of love ... most 'xtians' die sinners not knowing all truth of God, thus without spirit baptism [John 16:13] and so will not live again until the second resurrection , which makes rather a farce of their calling other people 'unbelievers' since their own belief is in sinners , not in Jesus , else they would obey him and cease to break his commandment to love by sinning !

At it simplest then, Jesus is NOT the Lord of sinners because they disobey him every day of their lives....

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

My point was that who goes to Heaven and who doesn't is not denomination specific because God didn't mean for there to be denominations.

It is a good point that divided denominations simply cannot have been baptised into ONE truth of God , but why worry about going to this heavens or even the next heavens when God will come down to dwell with the many on earth who live righteously in the kingdom after spirit baptism after the second resurrection ?

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

We know that very few make it in this life to be saints [see also Matt 7 - few find the strait narrow way, many go the broad way, freed from sin by death, not grace] ... but the MANY are saved too, according to Jesus [Rev 7:9-10] but AFTER the few , so after the second resurrection...

Again , many have already died sinners without spirit baptism to know all truth in THIS life, so we know that God will baptise all men after the second resurrection because He has promised to baptise all flesh [Joel 2:28] and that all men WILL come to know all truth... but clearly most men died sinners NOT knowing it in this life ...

ALL the denominations then have that wrong, the many who go the broad way are indeed saved later as Jesus states... that is how far modern sinner christianity is from Jesus ...

Paul wrote to the Corinthians who were saying 'I am of Apollos' and so forth that they were not to have any divisions among them. That they were to all be of Christ. Do you see what I am saying here?

I do indeed ,a nd it is no different with the denominations who each claim a 'founder' ... but the founders were not baptised of the spirit either, else they would agree as one with scripture, and none of them do ... still less do they agree with each other ... and it should tell people NOT to follow them, but people do not seem to care that they follow sinners, not saints , and are taught by sinners against the scripture, against Jesus' teachings, by sinners in smocks and fancy costly robes and hats , who are still just sinners ....

Being a Christian involves more than going to church on Sunday (or Saturday, ;) ) and affiliating yourself with a denomination, it is your whole life.

Yes, well I never went to church in my life and sabbath is no Roman day either , no ever was it measured by local time and day-keeping of the modern world... but by God's absolute time ,so that all on earth celebrate sabbath at the same time, not spread over two days as in the modern abomination ... sinners will someday soon see Jesus return and regret believing in sinners , but it makes no odds , many sinners who made that mistake will still get redeemed in the new earth alom=ng with those other sinners of the world who didn't think they could get saved by putting money in the box on Sunday...

Now the question of how to become a Christian comes up.
Again, we must look to the Bible and follow what it says,

A Small problem, the bible says we don't BECOME a Christian, but God gives it to the FEW whom he GAVE to Jesus to be saints in this life :-

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved throughfaith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Being a Christian then comes by god's act of spirit baptism, one cannot just go and get it , the chuirches are run by sinners who do not even have it themselves to give or talk about ....

God requires biut a FEW saints from this life , so that is all he baptises... He needs but 144,000 as His perfect priesthood to rule in the kingdom and minister as priests to billions after the second resurrection... why just a few? ... because each can deal with another 144,000 ... that covers every man that ever lived , who will all be resurrected at the second resurrection and judged by WORKS in the righteous new earth kingdom :-

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

None are lost in hell then, as so many claim, but hell gives up its dead ... and they live righteously in the kingdom in the new earth :-

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

So they need no grace because they were freed from sin by death :-Romans 6:7 [REB] For, he that hath died, hath become righteously acquitted from his sin.

So who is the new covenant with ... clearly only with the few , but also it says who the few are because the new covenant is with those whose fathers broke the old covenant [Heb 8:8-9] ... so Rev 7:3-8 is right, these are all descendants of Jacob , and the new covenant is simply the beginning of the fulfilment of God's promise to Israel [Ex 19:6]

So who will go to Heaven? Those who do what the Bible says to do.

Jesus said , nay commanded , to love God and so love all men ... thus anyone who sins at all is disobeying Jesus ... Jesus is not their lord then...

Thus only the few will follow Jesus in this life, just as he says , and they will be all descendants of Jacob, though most will not be Jews ... the House of Israel rejected Judaism and took uop idol worship, and were scattered amongst all nations, losing their identity.... the Jews were scattered too, but kept their identity on account of Judaism

Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Sooner or later men will realise that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel, the prophesied king come to re-unite the two Houses of divided Israel into one holy nation of priests for the kingdom of god. just as it says in OT and NT alike... ONE truth and very different than modern sinner christianity's teachings ....

[Ephesians4]

Voted option 2.

[stranger]

Voted option 2.

Why ?

[RichardE]

Repentance and Faith (In christ)

I think even the highest of men sin on occasion, the important thing is that we continue to try and lead less sinful lives

And repent with a true heart.

[stranger]

Repentance and Faith (In christ)

I think even the highest of men sin on occasion, the important thing is that we continue to try and lead less sinful lives

And repent with a true heart.

Jesus and St Paul appear to diisagree :-

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

[RichardE]

No offence to you but I am getting tired of people not getting the point

My point was everyone falls and has problems, every man and woman has sinned

Also plus I just wont belive any man or woman who claim they have achived perfection on earth, because its not possible, it can be something very simple but Sin is sin.

What is important is we keep striving to improve ourselfs, repenting when we do stumble and the ability to also forgive ourselfs but learn from our mistakes.

All deserve salvation from sin, if they are willing to accept it.