Think I'll sit down here for a bit... (2)

[Hummie]

I take off a few days and I'm totally lost in this conversation...whew! I hope everyone is having a blessed day.

[Jim47]

It is a bit hard to keep up on isn't it? :) Makes me wished I were a speed reader, or at least that I could type with all ten fingers ;)

[porterross]

Alcohol and food. There you go, Hummie.

[QuiltAngel]

Grrr!!! Sorry, had to get that out. I feel better now.

[seajoy]

Grrr!!! Sorry, had to get that out. I feel better now.
You ok, dear? :confused: Can I be of help? :)

[QuiltAngel]

I was just over on another website. A person posted that the doctors told her she had a recurrence of breast cancer. She decided not to do treatment and went with alternative stuff and her recurrence was not really a recurrence as discovered later. (no not on HS). I congratulated her on not having had a recurrence and added that is why many doctors like to do a watchful waiting instead of treating at first sign. I got told that I should not put my faith in doctors and that God would help me with my unbelief.

Don't these people know that God uses doctors to heal?

Grrr!!

[seajoy]

I was just over on another website. A person posted that the doctors told her she had a recurrence of breast cancer. She decided not to do treatment and went with alternative stuff and her recurrence was not really a recurrence as discovered later. (no not on HS). I congratulated her on not having had a recurrence and added that is why many doctors like to do a watchful waiting instead of treating at first sign. I got told that I should not put my faith in doctors and that God would help me with my unbelief.

Don't these people know that God uses doctors to heal?

Grrr!!
Double Grrr! I've seen your faith in action, my friend. :hug:

[dinkime]

i just finished reading the book A Child Called "It" by dave pelzer


WOW! it is a very moving story!!!

[seajoy]

What made you decide to read that book, Dinki?

[LilLamb219]

Don't these people know that God uses doctors to heal?

Grrr!!

They don't realize that God gives many different types of gifts and that the medical field is filled with gifted people. Jesus didn't knock doctors, so why do they? :scratch:

[QuiltAngel]

They don't realize that God gives many different types of gifts and that the medical field is filled with gifted people. Jesus didn't knock doctors, so why do they? :scratch:
Isn't Luke considered to have been a doctor? Thanks for the reminder.

[seajoy]

They don't realize that God gives many different types of gifts and that the medical field is filled with gifted people. Jesus didn't knock doctors, so why do they? :scratch:
So there should be no Christian doctors, I guess :doh:
Funny, I've always felt that God led me to two of the doctors that I have. I look at that as a miracle!

[LilLamb219]

Yes, Luke was considered a doctor and you'll see in a lot of his writings how he concentrates a lot on healing and medicinal type of things (from what my pastor told me).

[DaRev]

So there should be no Christian doctors, I guess :doh:
Funny, I've always felt that God led me to two of the doctors that I have. I look at that as a miracle!

Is she a Mary Baker Eddy disciple? :scratch: :doh:

[QuiltAngel]

i just finished reading the book A Child Called "It" by dave pelzer


WOW! it is a very moving story!!!
It is. Are you going to read "The Lost Boy" and "A Man Named Dave"? They are kind of the rest of the story books.

[seajoy]

Is she a Mary Baker Eddy disciple? :scratch: :doh:
Me?

[QuiltAngel]

She lists herself as Nondenominational. If she was a follower of Mary Bake Eddy, she would be kicked off of that site.

I can say without a doubt that if it were not for my family doctor, I would not be here today. Oh, and my doctor is a Christian.

[QuiltAngel]

Not you seajoy!

[seajoy]

Not you seajoy!
whew...didn't know what I had said. :)

[dinkime]

What made you decide to read that book, Dinki?

i have had more than one person recommend it -- it is a wonderfully moving book, but do have klennex handy because it is also unfortunately a true story!!

[dinkime]

It is. Are you going to read "The Lost Boy" and "A Man Named Dave"? They are kind of the rest of the story books.


i will!! i need to go & get them first....

[DaRev]

I am taking a Sabbatical from CF for a while.

Y'all have a blessed Easter and Pentecost season.

:wave:

[seajoy]

Take care.
God Bless.

[QuiltAngel]

Rev, we will miss you.

[QuiltAngel]

Well, my to do list for the morning includes the last FAFSA form for the dear sweet daughter of mine. Found out a few days ago, they changed the date and made it earlier so we are now late. Grrr!!!

[seajoy]

Will someone please PM (or email) me when this EO stuff dies down a bit. I'm going to take a little break from here.

I love you guys :hug: ....God's blessings.
Hope to see you soon. :wave:
seajoy

[QuiltAngel]

Will do. Hopefully they will heed LilLamb's suggestion and take it to the EO forum now.

Off to do that FAFSA form.

[WildStrawberry]

Goodness, I go away for a couple of days and BLAST things start blowing up again. :(

Rev and SeaJoy, I'll be missing both of you! I learn so much from the both of you (actually, everyone here in the conservative forum!) that it'll be a sad time indeed 'till y'all come back.

*hugs*

kae

[dinkime]

stop leaving people!! the EOs need to go their own way and leave the good lutherans alone!

[LilLamb219]

Reps to Dinkime for speaking her mind!!!

[QuiltAngel]

I don't know about DaRev, but seajoy will be back when that EO thread quiets down.

[Jim47]

I know I don't like it but I think everyone is craving for new discussion. I read Dan's reason why he became EO and I cringed.

[QuiltAngel]

So, what are everyone's plans for this evening?

Me, stay home, get that FAFSA form filled out, watch t.v., go to bed early. Basically a quiet evening. Gotta pass on any beer any one offers as the tummy has been a mess lately.

[Jim47]

Ah, but beer is good for the tummy, just make sure you eat something first :)

[dinkime]

i have been cleaning (EEK!) and i think i am going to run to target in a few minutes....

[synger]

Putting off cleaning. Watching "Aliens Vs. Predator" with Hunter. He's got a raging earache and finally went to the doc today, so he's on antibiotics AND codeine.

have tomorrow off, to clean some more and prep for Gem's b-day party on Saturday.

Once I get the bathrooms clean tonight, I'll probably pop onto Everquest for an hour of play-time.. unless I fall asleep before then.

[WildStrawberry]

stop leaving people!! the EOs need to go their own way and leave the good lutherans alone!

Oh AMEN!!!

Kae

[Jim47]

I happen to agree with you. I'm getting tired of the influx of Eo's

[LutherNut]

I am taking a Sabbatical from CF for a while.

Y'all have a blessed Easter and Pentecost season.

:wave:

Post-Easter burn out?

BTW, I dig the footwear... or lack thereof. ^_^ :thumbsup:

[QuiltAngel]

Ack!!
Where is everyone going?

[C.F.W. Walther]

Well it's really sad because a year ago we had a "bring it on" attitude and everybody held their own then.

[seajoy]

Well it's really sad because a year ago we had a "bring it on" attitude and everybody held their own then.
Not everyone has the ability to hold their own.
I'm sorry. :(

[C.F.W. Walther]

We can ignore what we want and not read it.

[seajoy]

We can ignore what we want and not read it.
You can't ignore something until you read it first. It's only then that you can find out you shouldn't have read it.

[C.F.W. Walther]

the whole thread? We can also stop reading when we want to also.

I'm not trying to start an argument Ang but if I see something I don;t like I just ignore it and don't continue reading the whole thing or even a part of it.

[seajoy]

You really think I could argue with you, brother? :)

You are probably right, anyway. I'm just jabbering now. :help:

[dinkime]

i ignore a lot, partly because i don't want to argue -- i just don't have the energy -- so i look and then head to the rooms i love -- here & the alehouse (for the most part, lol)

[QuiltAngel]

I know that when I signed up at CF and after wandering into TCL, I wandered right back out. Upon my return a few months ago, I felt more at ease here. The discussions were not as confrontational. It is not always easy to ignore discussions, especially once we have first read it, we have this curiosity to see where it goes.

I guess my view of what this section of the forum is, is very different from others here.

Well, I have said my two cents so I guess I will head back to the places I am more comfortable with.

Any ideas to where any friendly/fellowhip Lutheran discussion sites are located?

[seajoy]

I guess my view of what this section of the forum is, is very different from others here.

Well, I have said my two cents so I guess I will head back to the places I am more comfortable with.

Any ideas to where any friendly/fellowhip Lutheran discussion sites are located?
This is the first Lutheran discussion site I've ever been to.

I think you and I have a lot in common as to what we like in a Lutheran forum.

I love my friends here, and would hate to go. It's time for me to spend some time in prayer over our forum here. The feelings we are having today will pass QA...let's hang in there. :hug:

[porterross]

I don't know about DaRev, but seajoy will be back when that EO thread quiets down.
Rev and I had a loooooong talk today and hopefully he'll be back soon. He's pretty busy right now, but as far as I know, he's fine.

[dinkime]

it is good to see some "venting" helping all of us clear the air some -- this is a nice lutheran home for us all, and i hope and pray things will continue to grow for us all here spiritually and in fellowship


it is very frustrating to have people come into your "home" to ask a question and then go overboard (isn't that why i don't answer the door to JW or mormons??)

[porterross]

I know I don't like it but I think everyone is craving for new discussion. I read Dan's reason wht he became EO and I cringed. Another idol worshiper :sick:
I noticed that as well. Not one of them, including Fr. Fenton, cited Scriptural error in Lutheran doctrine for the reason they left. It all had to do with tradition.

If they need a guilded lily to be more impressed than fed, so be it. The idea of being proud about bowing to an idol and holding tradition above Scripture tells me that their focus is skewed. Unbelievable, pretty much sums it up.

[LilLamb219]

I noticed that as well. Not one of them, including Fr. Fenton, cited Scriptural error in Lutheran doctrine for the reason they left. It all had to do with tradition.


YOU READ MY MIND!! I was thinking of posting this tonight...I was out at a Ladies Society meeting and thinking about that! LOL :thumbsup:

[C.F.W. Walther]

Rev and I had a loooooong talk today and hopefully he'll be back soon. He's pretty busy right now, but as far as I know, he's fine.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[seajoy]

I noticed that as well. Not one of them, including Fr. Fenton, cited Scriptural error in Lutheran doctrine for the reason they left. It all had to do with tradition.

If they need a guilded lily to be more impressed than fed, so be it. The idea of being proud about bowing to an idol and holding tradition above Scripture tells me that their focus is skewed. Unbelievable, pretty much sums it up.
I must pass some reps around, before I can get you again!

That was a great post, Porter!

[KimLCMS]

Hey everyone! It looks like today has been a bit of a downer.

[seajoy]

Hey everyone! It looks like today has been a bit of a downer.
You've sure brightened it up with your spring outfit! :)

Yes, today was kind of a downer. I look forward to tomorrow.

[porterross]

You've sure brightened it up with your spring outfit! :)

Indeed! Very pretty Kim. :thumbsup:



Yes, today was kind of a downer. I look forward to tomorrow.


Rev won't be back until Sunday night or Monday. With whom shall I partake the fighting of the pillows? :(

[seajoy]

Rev won't be back until Sunday night or Monday. With whom shall I partake the fighting of the pillows? :(
I'm too tired tonight. :yawn: Maybe tomorrow. :tutu:

[seajoy]

I'm tuckered :sleep: .....goodnight everyone. :wave: Tomorrow is a new day in Christ. :)

[DaRev]

Rev won't be back until Sunday night or Monday. With whom shall I partake the fighting of the pillows? :(

Start runnin'! ;) :P

I'll catch ya in the Pillow Fight thread...

[QuiltAngel]

I'm tuckered :sleep: .....goodnight everyone. :wave: Tomorrow is a new day in Christ. :)
Yes, it is!

[Studeclunker]

I for one, found the EO threads facinating. I'm always interested in hearing another person's view on something, including the Church.

LCMS is in serious trouble. Our clergy and laity are getting fed up with the infighting. Naturally, these people will go different directions. EO strikes me as rather... out there, but hey? What about the ELCA? I've been watching the information about what's happening in my denom here and searching the news. I'm not sure what I'll do if the current leadership continues after the conferrence. But, no, EO or RCC are out of the question (LOL)!:D :D

It was very dismaying to see that these discussions upset so many dear friends here. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day.

God bless you all, and good night.

[Jim47]

I noticed that as well. Not one of them, including Fr. Fenton, cited Scriptural error in Lutheran doctrine for the reason they left. It all had to do with tradition.

If they need a guilded lily to be more impressed than fed, so be it. The idea of being proud about bowing to an idol and holding tradition above Scripture tells me that their focus is skewed. Unbelievable, pretty much sums it up.


:thumbsup:

[LilLamb219]

If you don't like the LCMS, go to Wels then...just don't stray into some other kingdom. :doh:

[seajoy]

If you don't like the LCMS, go to Wels then...just don't stray into some other kingdom. :doh:
Let's hear it for the WELS! :amen:

[Flipper]

I noticed that as well. Not one of them, including Fr. Fenton, cited Scriptural error in Lutheran doctrine for the reason they left. It all had to do with tradition.

If they need a guilded lily to be more impressed than fed, so be it. The idea of being proud about bowing to an idol and holding tradition above Scripture tells me that their focus is skewed. Unbelievable, pretty much sums it up.

I agree, that's in my reasons I left the RCC - had serious issues with the idols. However, I had to laugh when you said it all had to do with tradition. We don't have traditions we hold as near and dear? I bet we do.

Can tradition be it's own idol? I've wondered that off and on.

You guys, for example, get bent out of shape if a Lutheran Church has a contemporary service, even if the music are traditional hyms remixed with contemporary music. Why? Tradition!! I've seen you arguing about the color of the cover of the hymn books! Tradition isn't always as pretty as a gold statue of Mary, but you all hold onto it pretty tight, even if it isn't specifically mentioned in the Bible - like, I don't know, forms of music? God just says to make a joyful noise. Joyful noises comes in many forms - pretty much every form except rap. ;)

There are a lot of traditions we Lutherans hold to that aren't Biblical. Godparents come to mind. Godparents are not specifically mentioned in the Bible, my pastor says that every time someone gets baptized, but when our children get baptized, the parents always name them, and they are standing up there with the family. Is it Biblical to put a purple cross (or purple drape around a cross) in the sanctuary during Lent? Is there a specific verse that says the cross needs to be purple during that time? No, we do it because of the symbolism and because of tradition. I can go on...

Maybe our difference is that we don't worship our traditions. However, some of us hold them so dear that we might as well.

[LilLamb219]

You guys, for example, get bent out of shape if a Lutheran Church has a contemporary service, even if the music are traditional hyms remixed with contemporary music. Why? Tradition!!

It's not about tradition but the fact that the contemporary stuff isn't as theologically rich as the hymns. Why give the people watered down garbage?

[synger]

I was interested in the EO thread, though I did feel it was getting a bit out of hand. I want to understand the political and doctrinal challenges that Lutherans are facing, since I'm coming at it from an outsiders' perspective. Just from participating here, I've come to the conclusion that the congregation we attend seems to be a rare bird among LCMS -- liturgical AND confessional.

That doesn't mean no contemporary songs. It means contemporary music is judged by the confessional standards. One of the most popular songs on the Christian music radio that I listen to is "You Raise Me Up (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/joshgroban/youraisemeup.html)." It's sweet, the music is powerful, but I often cringe when I hear it. It is so me-focused. It's all about what God does "For me" in my particular circumstances, not what God did for all of us on the Cross. It's not necessarily non-Scriptural -- God does guide and protect and strengthen us in time of trouble. But it's like a bit of marshmallow fluff when my belly aches for steak. Or at least something more solid.

Another song that I hear a lot is Give Thanks with a Grateful Heart (http://my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis2/givethanks.html). That one speaks to the same theme.. God giving us strength in adversity. But it points to Christ much more strongly than the first one did. It is more corporate than personal. It doesn't rely on experiential feelings to bring out the emotion and joy.

Guess why Give Thanks is in the new hymnal, and You Raise Me Up is not.

I have no problem with contemporary music, in and of itself. Each song, though, has to be judged on its own merit. And some of them fall far short of the sort of healthy, hearty fare I would want to sing in corporate worship.

I think, though, that a LOT of good songs have come out of contemporary Christian music, and that we could find more songs that fit our Scriptural, Cross-centered requirements and incorporate them into our worship. Personally, I hate the idea of "contemporary" and "traditional" services. I think the best idea is so-called "blended worship", where you keep the liturgical framework and judiciously include a few contemporary songs here and there.

wow. Didn't realize I was going to write a book on this. This probably isn't the thread for this discussion. I guess it really hit a nerve with me.

[seajoy]

Can tradition be it's own idol?

I suppose this could be true.....but we know that tradition is not what saves us, even in part.
It is our dear Savior alone that saves us. That is what we Lutherans profess.
Praise be to Him who died and rose again so that a wretch as I might have a spot at Jesus' feet in Heaven.

[LilLamb219]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to seajoy again.

Awesome post :)

[Flipper]

It's not about tradition but the fact that the contemporary stuff isn't as theologically rich as the hymns. Why give the people watered down garbage?


Did you read what I said? Even if it is a TRADITIONAL HYM REMIXED WITH CONTEMPORARY MUSIC? I did not say change the words.

It comes down to personal musical tastes, not a water down.

Are you saying it's the music that waters it down, regardless of the words?

[seajoy]

Please folks...today is a new day....:( :)

[DaRev]

Another song that I hear a lot is Give Thanks with a Grateful Heart (http://my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis2/givethanks.html). That one speaks to the same theme.. God giving us strength in adversity. But it points to Christ much more strongly than the first one did. It is more corporate than personal. It doesn't rely on experiential feelings to bring out the emotion and joy.

That one is in the new hymnal.

[Flipper]

I was interested in the EO thread, though I did feel it was getting a bit out of hand. I want to understand the political and doctrinal challenges that Lutherans are facing, since I'm coming at it from an outsiders' perspective. Just from participating here, I've come to the conclusion that the congregation we attend seems to be a rare bird among LCMS -- liturgical AND confessional.

That doesn't mean no contemporary songs. It means contemporary music is judged by the confessional standards. One of the most popular songs on the Christian music radio that I listen to is "You Raise Me Up (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/joshgroban/youraisemeup.html)." It's sweet, the music is powerful, but I often cringe when I hear it. It is so me-focused. It's all about what God does "For me" in my particular circumstances, not what God did for all of us on the Cross. It's not necessarily non-Scriptural -- God does guide and protect and strengthen us in time of trouble. But it's like a bit of marshmallow fluff when my belly aches for steak. Or at least something more solid.

Another song that I hear a lot is Give Thanks with a Grateful Heart (http://my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis2/givethanks.html). That one speaks to the same theme.. God giving us strength in adversity. But it points to Christ much more strongly than the first one did. It is more corporate than personal. It doesn't rely on experiential feelings to bring out the emotion and joy.

Guess why Give Thanks is in the new hymnal, and You Raise Me Up is not.

I have no problem with contemporary music, in and of itself. Each song, though, has to be judged on its own merit. And some of them fall far short of the sort of healthy, hearty fare I would want to sing in corporate worship.

I think, though, that a LOT of good songs have come out of contemporary Christian music, and that we could find more songs that fit our Scriptural, Cross-centered requirements and incorporate them into our worship. Personally, I hate the idea of "contemporary" and "traditional" services. I think the best idea is so-called "blended worship", where you keep the liturgical framework and judiciously include a few contemporary songs here and there.

wow. Didn't realize I was going to write a book on this. This probably isn't the thread for this discussion. I guess it really hit a nerve with me.


I only brought it up as an example of traditions Lutherans keep so near and dear that it worries me.

I agree with you - all of it. Personally, I would like to see a blend. It isn't happening in my church. :( I do like how they remix the music to some of the hymns, though.

[DaRev]

I only brought it up as an example of traditions Lutherans keep so near and dear that it worries me.

I agree with you - all of it. Personally, I would like to see a blend. It isn't happening in my church. :( I do like how they remix the music to some of the hymns, though.

But it's not just the music, but the way the Divine Service is conducted. With a vast majority, if a church does a contemporary service, they ditch the Divine Service in favor of a concert-like atmosphere that plays on emotions and the "me-centered" feel.

There is nothing wrong with alternate instrumentation for a church service. A Divine Service with contemporary style music can be done in a way that keeps Christ at the center and the order of the Divine Service (God to us first, then we respond) intact. However, I have yet to see it. Keep the band out of the chancel!

[QuiltAngel]

Ah, maybe a new thread should be started regarding worship styles? Although, I have a feeling that has been hashed and rehashed here many times over.

It is a new day and the sun is shining here! 2 days in a row with the sun shining. Has to be a record of some sort (around here anyway).

[DaRev]

Ah, maybe a new thread should be started regarding worship styles? Although, I have a feeling that has been hashed and rehashed here many times over.

It is a new day and the sun is shining here! 2 days in a row with the sun shining. Has to be a record of some sort (around here anyway).

We're supposed to get a foot of anow over the weekend. :( :sigh:

[porterross]

Yes, it's the reverence for God "tradition" that we hold so dear. That cannot be dressed up with icons and elaborate icons and made any better.

Did anyone else not notice that a constant theme in their posts are the importance of "the church" (actually, the one true church according them, which is apparently female) supersedes Christ? I did not see one mention of there being more focus on God and the Scripture, only on "the church" and how moved they are by the statues. I did not see one mention of Christ at all.
Oy vey!

Those are the iconic and visual traditions I referred to, not a liturgical one. To them, it seems the church and all the icons and idols it possesses hold more value than a Christ based theology. They need elaborance more than a meaningful service. They make the RC's look like indulgence amateurs, which I find more than bit ironic and even more disappointing.

[seajoy]

Now their calling us SS'ers....like that's a bad thing! :eek: :scratch:

[LilLamb219]

SS'ers? Sunday Schoolers? What does SSer mean? I'm not thinking clearly today LOL

[porterross]

Sola Scripturas...????

Proudly so!

[LilLamb219]

If that's what it stands for, then allow us to sin boldly ;)

[QuiltAngel]

Unfortunately, SS is so misrepresented. People will take a couple of verses that have the same basic wording and say that this verse says such and such. You go look up those verses, read the entire context and find that the verses are not talking about what that person says it is. Yet, that person keeps saying Sola Scriptura. Grrrr!!!

I also find it interesting that they keep harping on the contemporary worship services of Lutheran churches. Now, maybe I am in a unique area and I travel to unique parts of the country, but I find it hard to believe that they can not find one church that has a liturgical service in their area. Anywhere that I have traveled, we have found one. Speaking of which, anyone know of one in the Orlando area they can recommend?

You can keep the snow Rev. We were to get a foot on Wednesday, but only got about 4 inches. It is almost gone now.

[QuiltAngel]

LilLamb, Good one! ;)

[porterross]

Ours are very liturgical. We do have a praise team and a youth choir, but they are pretty darn good and only sing one song at the start of the service and something soothing during Communion so it's tolerable. There are no tambourines, drums or trumpets, just a guitar.

[seajoy]

I also find it interesting that they keep harping on the contemporary worship services of Lutheran churches. Now, maybe I am in a unique area and I travel to unique parts of the country, but I find it hard to believe that they can not find one church that has a liturgical service in their area. Anywhere that I have traveled, we have found one. Speaking of which, anyone know of one in the Orlando area they can recommend?

Yes Quilty, what's up with the not enough liturgy stuff! I've never been to a WELS or LCMS service that didn't have liturgy. I love the liturgy, what a worshipful way to begin our service to the God of all creation who also saved us. What am I/we not getting here?

We confess our faith at every service. The faith God gave me is only dependant on Christ. I would never be able to sleep at night if more than the gift of faith were part of my own salvation. :cry:

[WildStrawberry]

<snip>

I also find it interesting that they keep harping on the contemporary worship services of Lutheran churches. Now, maybe I am in a unique area and I travel to unique parts of the country, but I find it hard to believe that they can not find one church that has a liturgical service in their area. Anywhere that I have traveled, we have found one. Speaking of which, anyone know of one in the Orlando area they can recommend?.


I don't know of one in Orlando but, should any of you come to Milford, Ohio, I'd love to introduce you to my church. I think we've only ever had one "contemporary" service. After that, the laity spoke and said "we didn't feel fed!" and it hasn't happened again.

For me, I'd really miss the liturgy of the Divine Service. It's not about tradition but more of a comfort thing for me. I FEEL fed when I get all that I get from the DS.

Kae

[QuiltAngel]

seajoy, there has been a move to using contemporary services that does away with many of the elements of the Divine Servie. This has been going on for many years. Most who do this put the traditional service at 8 a.m. The baby boomers seemed to think if the service was made more "relevant" then the teens and college crowd would be in worship more. I also think that since there has been more marriages with the couples being from two different denoms, there has been that influence. We saw that in our previous church big time.

Today's teens and college crowd seem to be wanting the traditional type service, which I find interesting.

I am like Kae in that I wonder "what was that" when a service was other than the Divine Service.

I don't mind contemporary music but I do mind the concert feel of some services. If I wanted to go to a concert, I would go to one. I don't want one parading as a worship service. The fact that the "praise bands" are placed in the front of the church really gives the concert feel. I even prefer the choir to sing from the balconey. Let's me focus on the words, not the people singing the hymn.

Like I said though, one can find a traditional, liturgical service. One can also check out the other synods. I am guessing that most of the WELS churches use the liturgical service?

I find the blaming the type of service for going orthodox to be more of an excuse, gotta blame something don't we?

Ok, maybe the allergy meds will kick in and I can take a needed nap.

[seajoy]

I am guessing that most of the WELS churches use the liturgical service?

yep...same wonderful stuff at all 3 of our weekend services! :clap:


Ok, maybe the allergy meds will kick in and I can take a needed nap.
Oh, your poor nose. :( I get allergies in the fall.:sick:

[DaRev]

(actually, the one true church according them, which is apparently female)

Well, as the bride of Christ, the Church is feminine. It goes back to the Greek language and the word "ecclesia" which is a feminine word.

[KimLCMS]

Ours are very liturgical. We do have a praise team and a youth choir, but they are pretty darn good and only sing one song at the start of the service and something soothing during Communion so it's tolerable. There are no tambourines, drums or trumpets, just a guitar.
Hey now! Trumpets can be soothing;) I'm a little biased since I'm a trumpet player though!:D

[KimLCMS]

I don't know of one in Orlando but, should any of you come to Milford, Ohio, I'd love to introduce you to my church. I think we've only ever had one "contemporary" service. After that, the laity spoke and said "we didn't feel fed!" and it hasn't happened again.

For me, I'd really miss the liturgy of the Divine Service. It's not about tradition but more of a comfort thing for me. I FEEL fed when I get all that I get from the DS.

Kae
Hey WildStrawberry! I'm in Ohio too. I'm in Kettering.

[DaRev]

Speaking of which, anyone know of one in the Orlando area they can recommend?

How close are you to Oviedo? St. Luke's in Oviedo has a more liturgical service compared to many in Florida-Georgia district. You'll have to check their service schedule. St. Luke's is in the great SELC district! :clap:

[KimLCMS]

Maybe it's just because I love music, but I like traditional as well as contemporary services. I get the chance to perform more in traditional services. I like the contemporary services for my kids though. They can sing along with all the songs. I will say, our contemporary service is very well done though. The music is always appropriate.

[QuiltAngel]

How close are you to Oviedo? St. Luke's in Oviedo has a more liturgical service compared to many in Florida-Georgia district. You'll have to check their service schedule. St. Luke's is in the great SELC district! :clap:
We will be vacationing in central Florida the end of May, first of June. We will be staying in Orlando and visiting the surrounding area. How far that is from Oviedo, I don't really know. I do plan on checking the LCMS website for churches and checking out the websites of ones listed. Just thought if someone could recommend one, that would be wonderful.

I know, weird family, attending worship while on vacation. This trip is to look up long lost cousins and is also sort of a graduation gift for youngest son. (cousins not in the church, but who knows what may transpire while there)

[DaRev]

We will be vacationing in central Florida the end of May, first of June. We will be staying in Orlando and visiting the surrounding area. How far that is from Oviedo, I don't really know. I do plan on checking the LCMS website for churches and checking out the websites of ones listed. Just thought if someone could recommend one, that would be wonderful.

I know, weird family, attending worship while on vacation. This trip is to look up long lost cousins and is also sort of a graduation gift for youngest son. (cousins not in the church, but who knows what may transpire while there)

Oviedo is about 18 miles north of Orlando.

[KimLCMS]

We will be vacationing in central Florida the end of May, first of June. We will be staying in Orlando and visiting the surrounding area. How far that is from Oviedo, I don't really know. I do plan on checking the LCMS website for churches and checking out the websites of ones listed. Just thought if someone could recommend one, that would be wonderful.

I know, weird family, attending worship while on vacation. This trip is to look up long lost cousins and is also sort of a graduation gift for youngest son. (cousins not in the church, but who knows what may transpire while there)
I'll be praying for "the cousins.";) :pray:

[porterross]

Well, as the bride of Christ, the Church is feminine. It goes back to the Greek language and the word "ecclesia" which is a feminine word.
Yes, yes, but you miss the point about their worship of "her" before Christ.

[WildStrawberry]

Hey WildStrawberry! I'm in Ohio too. I'm in Kettering.


Hey! My Mom used to go up to Kettering to the hospital up there. She works for a mobile ultrasound company and did all of the ultrasounds for the hospital!

Kettering isn't all that far! *G* I'm about 30 miles east of Cincinnati in Clermont County.

Kae

[WildStrawberry]

I know, weird family, attending worship while on vacation.

You're not weird!!! I like to do that as well...when I travel that is. :D

On Maunday Thursday we had a family that was traveling from Saginaw to somewhere in Texas stop in and worship with us before moving on later that night. It was really neat.

Kae

[porterross]

We get plenty of visitors stopping in to worship along their travels. A couple from Virginia even stayed for Sunday School a couple of weeks ago. We're all so familiar and relaxed with one another that I think they were a bit unsure of us going from a traditional liturgical service to darn near throwing paper wads at one another and passing cheesecake afterward in class. Doesn't everyone do that? :P

I've e-mailed the Reverend of the ELCE church in Cambridge to make sure I can commune with them while I'm there, so you are not weird at all to look for services while away from home. I'm really anxious to see what kind of service they hold there. All of their references point to LCMS.org so the liturgy will likely feel just like home.

[LilLamb219]

I've e-mailed the Reverend of the ELCE church in Cambridge to make sure I can commune with them while I'm there,.

Cambridge? You're traveling to England?

[porterross]

Two weeks from today.

[QuiltAngel]

So you are making the trip?

I would love to go to England! Someday.

[QuiltAngel]

porter
I found this: http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=6268

The ELCE is a partner church of the LCMS.

My daughter always communicates with our partner churches when she is getting ready for an extended stay abroad. She managed to find a place in Spain. One of our partner churches has missions in Spain.

[porterross]

Yes, I know, but I don't like to assume that a pastor knows I'm a communicant member. It's only courteous to contact them beforehand if possible and not knowing what his schedule might be (it is the Lutheran Seminary of England), I figured it was easier to e-mail him before I leave here.

ELCE site:
http://www.lutheran.co.uk/

ELCE church at Cambridge:
http://www.resurrectionlutheran.org.uk/

I've been listening to his sermons online for a while now. They're certainly shorter than we're used to, but very, very good.

[LilLamb219]

Two weeks from today.

VERY exciting!

I have relatives who live in England and I'm dying to go there someday to meet them in person :)

[porterross]

Look where I get to go, Lamb.
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/default.htm

I'm so excited about all the sites I'll get to see, but it's going to be a packed itinerary. Going to church there is very important to me and thankfully, that sank in to my host who seems intent on making sure I get there.

[QuiltAngel]

You are right PR! It is wise to contact the pastor first.

We are going to live vicariously through you. You are going to have to give us a full report with pictures when you return.

[porterross]

There will most certainly be a great many pics taken. I'm going to have to invest in a bigger flash drive before leaving.

As for my deciding to go, I gave my word I would and it seems the right thing to do under the circumstances and given the course of some events recently.
God has His reasons and will work by His means to an end I am definitely unaware. I trust in His guidance and am happy to let Him lead. He's never let me down before. ;)

[dinkime]

Let's hear it for the WELS! :amen:


:thumbsup: :clap: :thumbsup: :clap:

[LilLamb219]

Look where I get to go, Lamb.
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/default.htm

I'm so excited about all the sites I'll get to see, but it's going to be a packed itinerary. Going to church there is very important to me and thankfully, that sank in to my host who seems intent on making sure I get there.


OOOOH Renoir paintings :) :clap::tutu:

[C.F.W. Walther]

PR--one really interesting and informative trip in Scotland is the train ride that goes around the parimeter. It shows a wide variety of the country from agricultural to seashore, I had friends that went and they loved it. Stopped in some really quaint towns.

[LilLamb219]

Hey guys, look! I found duct tape!! LOL

[dinkime]

duct tape can fix everything!!

[dinkime]

one place i really want to go is the UK -- i would love to travel around by bus or train and see all the sights

[WildStrawberry]

remember, duct tape is the handy man's friend! :D

PR, I know I'm not supposed to be jealous...but...I'm having a very hard time not envying you your trip to England. *sigh* I've always wanted to go and have never had a chance.

Have a wonderful time over there!

Kae

[LilLamb219]

Kae and Dinkime and I are planning on being stowaways ;) Hope your bags are big enough!

[WildStrawberry]

Oh I forgot about the stowaway plan!

I'll bring the popcorn! Who's got the water detail?

;)

Kae

[porterross]

Thanks ladies. It's really not too expensive if you plan it far enough in advance, but knowing someone there sure helps. Driving there would scare me to no end. They don't have all the alternate routes and back roads that we do here. It is an island after all.

I'm a Shakespeare, theatre and history nut so I am focused on seeing a few special areas, but I'm sure I'm not prepared for how beautiful the old cathedrals and castles are. Too bad I'm not Anglican, I'd be in nirvana, but that will have to wait until I get to Germany or Scandinavia where there are more Lutherans!

[QuiltAngel]

I would love to join the stow away plan yet I have too many important things in those two weeks.

Good luck getting the water past security!

[LilLamb219]

Hey Porter, will you be going through one of the NEW X-ray machines that show...a lot??? yikes!

[seajoy]

Hey Porter, will you be going through one of the NEW X-ray machines that show...a lot??? yikes!
Good grief, Lambie! :doh:

[seajoy]

Guess there's no boys in the kitchen tonight.

[porterross]

Hey Porter, will you be going through one of the NEW X-ray machines that show...a lot??? yikes!

I'm ready! Been working out a bunch and feeling very cheeky. Women in their 40's can look good in their natural state, too. :thumbsup: :D

Actually, I'm flying out of our little airport here so it won't be an issue unless they have them when I depart from London. The Brits are so proper that I doubt any of them wold look anyway. :doh:

[dinkime]

good! the boys must be getting the stank out! lol ;)

[dinkime]

the x-ray machines show nothing private -- they had photos online of images from them, you couldn't tell a man from a woman

[LilLamb219]

the x-ray machines show nothing private -- they had photos online of images from them, you couldn't tell a man from a woman

No, but it shows the rolls of fat! :eek: Nevermind the privates!

[seajoy]

I'm ready! Been working out a bunch and feeling very cheeky. Women in their 40's can look good in their natural state, too. :thumbsup: :D

Not this lady.

[seajoy]

good! the boys must be getting the stank out! lol ;)
One can only hope! :thumbsup:

[C.F.W. Walther]

Boy you leave you girls alone for a few minutes and you're worse than us guys, :)

[QuiltAngel]

No way Rad! At least we shower, wash dishes and laundry more than once a week!

We are having fun traveling with Porter

[seajoy]

Boy you leave you girls alone for a few minutes and you're worse than us guys, :)
Hello brother....you smellin' ok again? :)

[C.F.W. Walther]

Well at least we don't talk about private parts......not in front of the ladies anyway :)

[seajoy]

Rad :doh:

[C.F.W. Walther]

Yea Ed taught me etiquette

[C.F.W. Walther]

Well 'night----SG-1 is over and I'm tired

[seajoy]

Well 'night----SG-1 is over and I'm tired
Good night Rad. :yawn:

[porterross]

the x-ray machines show nothing private -- they had photos online of images from them, you couldn't tell a man from a woman

No, but it shows the rolls of fat! :eek: Nevermind the privates!


Bring it on, baby! They'll get what they deserve if they are peeping. Then there will be the lawsuits. :P

[Studeclunker]

Stank????? Oi.:sigh: Girls, really. Just a wee bit of decorum, Please?

I, too would love to go back to the British Isles. As for Renoir, I also love Degas, and most of all, Monet. The old estate homes of England have superb collections of art as well.
I found driving around England to be a bit disconcerting at first. After a while one get's used to the other side of the road. It was the terminology and the quaint signs that were really entertaining. Some of the side roads though, would make a bike path look wide. I suppose that driving a right hand drive car would make the adjustment easier. Ours was an American make transported over there. In fact, there was a bit of a fracas with the Brits when we got there. Due to the size of the vehicle (GMC Dully 1-ton pickup and forty foot goose neck horse trailer), they didn't want to allow me to drive it. They felt it was a commercial rig and shouldn't be operated by an ordinary driver. After a drive test, they were convinced and let me go. Doing a drive test on your first day in London is murder.:sigh: Talk about trial by fire.:eek: Add to this two horses that wanted out and all the equipment packed into both vehicles. Oi, Vay!

[seajoy]

Been awake since 4am. Just thought I would check to see if anybody was home....guess I'll just talk to myself. :sigh:

Well, that was boring.......I already know what I'm going to say. :)

Hubby went out on a call, an hour away, at about 5am. The beagle is asleep...might be a good time for some cereal. ;) (see pillow fight thread)

[dinkime]

i am up early (again on a day i dont have to work) but i am heading to a scrapbook convention and i am carpooling with someone, so i have to get moving...

[synger]

Today is Gem's b-day party so we got up early to clean and prep. Cake is out of the oven, and cooling so it can be iced. We picked up the house yesterday, so today has been major vacuuming (which Hunter has done beautifully) and sweeping/mopping.

Looks like the earlier predictions of rain may hold off until after the party, which will be great. Our original plan was to have the kids go outside for most of the party. We got bubbles and sidewalk chalk and paint for them to play with. We've been cleaning like mad since the weather prediction, just in case they are stuck inside.

well, this is my break between floors and setting up goodie bags. See you later.

[LilLamb219]

OOohh Seajoy! I meant to tell you that yesterday my niece and I walked the dog to the park and there are houses where backyards back up to the park and they have chain-link fences and one yard had 2 beagles! They were SO well-behaved!!! They just sat and watched my dog with interest and didn't do their beagle howl :) So cute!

[seajoy]

I have introduced Zeb to many dogs during his puppy stage. He does pretty well too.

And yes, they are cute!

[C.F.W. Walther]

Been awake since 4am. Just thought I would check to see if anybody was home....guess I'll just talk to myself. :sigh:

Well, that was boring.......I already know what I'm going to say. :)

Hubby went out on a call, an hour away, at about 5am. The beagle is asleep...might be a good time for some cereal. ;) (see pillow fight thread)
LOL Sis :)

[porterross]

I only get up at 4 AM when forced to by nature and having had too much tea before bed, but I would never consider not going back to sleep. :sleep:

Whatever this front is that blew through Texas last night brought some nasty allergens with it and my eyes are hurting. The wind has been gusting upt to and over 50 mph since yesterday afternoon and it's much cooler, but my eyes are watering so bad I can hardly see.
Will that excuse fly with the IRS? :P

[seajoy]

I only get up at 4 AM when forced to by nature and having had too much tea before bed, but I would never consider not going back to sleep. :sleep:


Try having fibro, and you won't have much choice in the matter. :( :)

[Studeclunker]

Well, speaking of weather, it's been pouring here all day. About time we had some rain. Last couple of nights, I've had the fire going. I got the stove a bit too hot last night and the wall against my bed was downright toasty. Sure was comfy in the morning.

I know what you mean about allergens, Porteross. I've been battling them for the past couple of weeks. Last week I cleaned out an attic of the blown paper insulation. The stuff is still bothering me. Yuk!:sick: I think that's why I had such a bad attack of the sneezes and runny nose last night. So I took Severe Allergy medicine. The stuff makes me drowsy and lazy for 24 hours on a single four hour dose.:sleep:

I have had regular work for two weeks now and it looks like a long term job. As in it may last several months.

Praise God from whom all blessings flow,
Praise Him all creatures here below,
Praise to the Lord you heavenly host,
Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost!
:amen:

[synger]

Praise God from whom all blessings flow,
Praise Him all creatures here below,
Praise to the Lord you heavenly host,
Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost!
:amen:


When I was growing up, we always sang that near the end of the service, after the sermon, when the offering was being brought to the front of the church.

I think because it was after the "boring parts" of the service for a child, for the longest time I thought it was "Praise Father, Son, and home we go!"

[Jim47]

I have introduced Zeb to many dogs during his puppy stage. He does pretty well too.

And yes, they are cute!



Your picture of Zeb is real cute. We've been taking care of my daughters and son in laws Lab since late last summer. Their neighbors complained of his barking, even though they have proved it wasn't their dog but someone elses, as the barking complaints continued even after I had him.

His name is Mongo, named by my Grand Daughters. He is the most well behaved dog I've ever seen. He stays outside in what was our dogs house on a chain. I let him lose every now and then and he comes back as soon as I call. I would let him run all the time but I'm afraid he will get hiot by a car. I had a nice little puppy about 8 years ago and let him lose one saturday to run and play and he was hit and killed an hour after I let him lose.

Anyway I love having a dog again, and he loves me. Always happy to see me and would rather have me pet him then eat :eek: Kind of hard to believe as he is pretty big, but he loves attention. I hope when we give him back that I can find another lab as well behaved as he is.

[Jim47]

I only get up at 4 AM when forced to by nature and having had too much tea before bed, but I would never consider not going back to sleep. :sleep:

Whatever this front is that blew through Texas last night brought some nasty allergens with it and my eyes are hurting. The wind has been gusting upt to and over 50 mph since yesterday afternoon and it's much cooler, but my eyes are watering so bad I can hardly see.
Will that excuse fly with the IRS? :P



Maybe you have a tumble weed stuck in there ;)

I've been having lots of alergy problems too, not sure why but I'll be glad when they get better.

We have more snow on the way, Will winter ever be over? :scratch:

[Jim47]

Well, speaking of weather, it's been pouring here all day. About time we had some rain. Last couple of nights, I've had the fire going. I got the stove a bit too hot last night and the wall against my bed was downright toasty. Sure was comfy in the morning.

I know what you mean about allergens, Porteross. I've been battling them for the past couple of weeks. Last week I cleaned out an attic of the blown paper insulation. The stuff is still bothering me. Yuk!:sick: I think that's why I had such a bad attack of the sneezes and runny nose last night. So I took Severe Allergy medicine. The stuff makes me drowsy and lazy for 24 hours on a single four hour dose.:sleep:

I have had regular work for two weeks now and it looks like a long term job. As in it may last several months.

Praise God from whom all blessings flow,
Praise Him all creatures here below,
Praise to the Lord you heavenly host,
Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost!

:amen:



Good deal Stude :thumbsup: I am so happy to hear that you have work, and if you need anymore I'll gladly send you some of mine. :D

My body is ready to retire but my bank account isn't :doh: These last ten years will be the longest and hardest of my career. I would be so happy if I could stay home and just do my chores and fixing up stuff, but I guess The Lord must have some reason for keeping me at work. My wife would love to retire too. She just loves being able to have a day off and stay home and clean and cook and do all the home stuff. plus run pver and play with the grand kiddies :hug:

[seajoy]

Your picture of Zeb is real cute.

Jim, I'd like to say that's my beagle, but it's an avitar from CF! (you know I don't know how to do that picture stuff on the computer :sigh: )
It looks just like he did as a baby puppy, though. He's almost 8 months old now. :)

[LilLamb219]

I have had regular work for two weeks now and it looks like a long term job. As in it may last several months.


Awesome!! I've been hoping you'd find employment soon!!! :clap:

[QuiltAngel]

Wonderful news SC!!

[DaRev]

I'm ready! Been working out a bunch and feeling very cheeky. Women in their 40's can look good in their natural state, too. :thumbsup: :D

:eek: :blush:

[seajoy]

:eek: :blush:
there were no men in the kitchen at the time of this discussion :)

[LilLamb219]

Not many things going on around the boards today, so I went to chat with ChrisBot!

He asked me if I played any instruments. I told him I play the flute. He said he wished he could play an instrument and that his parents couldn't afford the lessons. I told him I started playing flute 3 years ago.

He asked, "Will you finish?"

LOL

[seajoy]

I didn't know you could talk to ChrisBot.

[LilLamb219]

I didn't know you could talk to ChrisBot.

Yep. There is a forum you can go to and start a thread to begin chatting with him. It helps build your postings...and in my case, I wanted some more blessings LOL

[QuiltAngel]

Oh my, you are down on blessings!

You have only been playing the flute for 3 years! that is great.

You know, when I started here I was not real sure about the blessings and all. Guess that is the Lutheran in me.

Oh, by the way, is it just me or is the site looking a little blue today?

[dinkime]

Oh, by the way, is it just me or is the site looking a little blue today?

me thinks they changed the header...i wonder if this was the contest winner??

[QuiltAngel]

Phew! It's not just me.

[LilLamb219]

Oh my, you are down on blessings!

You have only been playing the flute for 3 years! that is great.

You know, when I started here I was not real sure about the blessings and all. Guess that is the Lutheran in me.

Oh, by the way, is it just me or is the site looking a little blue today?

Yep, I've been donating too many blessings away...and shopping ;)

I took flute lessons for 6 months (3 years ago) and my flute teacher asked me to be in her flute choir...I am an overachiever. :blush:

I was wondering when the winner of the contest would finally get his/her efforts displayed here for the new look!

[Studeclunker]

Well, there's no snow out here on the West Coast. Just the opposite. We got our first substantial showers in quite a few weeks the last few days. The storm you all are enjoying (sic) on the East Coast barely left any moisture when it passed over us. Pity, we'll be paying for this come summer. I really don't want to be in this house when the well goes dry in June.

If all goes well, I just may be out of here by then.:crossrc:

[ctay]

We finally got some much needed rain too. We had a dry summer, winter and spring

[dinkime]

suppose to be close to 70 the next couple days -- sunny right now so it might actually happen!!

[ctay]

The high school youth gave the pastor a party for his leaving last night. Don't know whether to show any pictures or not. He was a good sport about everything.

[seajoy]

Bad pain today...could use some prayers...thanks. :(

Thanks brothers and sisters.

[QuiltAngel]

Bad pain today...could use some prayers...thanks. :(

Thanks brothers and sisters.
Ah, seajoy! Prayers for you.

[synger]

Bad pain today...could use some prayers...thanks. :(

Thanks brothers and sisters.
My prayers are with you.

*hugs.... very gently*

[LilLamb219]

Bad pain today...could use some prayers...thanks. :(

Thanks brothers and sisters.

I'm really sorry to hear that!! Of course I'll pray!

[DaRev]

Bad pain today...could use some prayers...thanks. :(

Thanks brothers and sisters.

:crossrc:

[porterross]

Poor Seajoy. Let us know how you're feeling when you can.

[DaRev]

The snow continues to pile up. I wish winter would just give up already!

The trustee came by and cleared the church sidewalks with the snow thrower, but he never does my sidewalks or my garage entry. So, I guess I need to bundle up and go out and "play" in the snow for a while. :(

I wish I lived where it was warmer.

[QuiltAngel]

The snow continues to pile up. I wish winter would just give up already!

The trustee came by and cleared the church sidewalks with the snow thrower, but he never does my sidewalks or my garage entry. So, I guess I need to bundle up and go out and "play" in the snow for a while. :(

I wish I lived where it was warmer.
Yeah, what is with that? They have the equipment out and can't do a few more feet? Oh, sorry, I thought we should be spoiled in that regard.

[DaRev]

Yeah, what is with that? They have the equipment out and can't do a few more feet? Oh, sorry, I thought we should be spoiled in that regard.

It's just another example of what I put up with here. :mad:

[seajoy]

Let us know how you're feeling when you can.
Thanks everyone for your prayers. It's been a hard day, as I'm also so tired because I had to sleep in a chair last night. I couldn't lay down.

The pain is slightly better, but seems as though it's not heading in a good direction the last 2 days.

Rev....I'd love to help you with that driveway.....sorry, uh.....I hurt too much already! :)

[KimLCMS]

Thanks everyone for your prayers. It's been a hard day, as I'm also so tired because I had to sleep in a chair last night. I couldn't lay down.

The pain is slightly better, but seems as though it's not heading in a good direction the last 2 days.

Rev....I'd love to help you with that driveway.....sorry, uh.....I hurt too much already! :)
Hey Seajoy, I'll pray for you as well. Hope you are feeling much better soon!

[DaRev]

Rev....I'd love to help you with that driveway.....sorry, uh.....I hurt too much already! :)

Thanks. It's the thought that counts. :)

[seajoy]

Do I ask for prayer here too much, you think? :confused:

I hope people aren't PM'ing each other saying...."there goes seajoy again...droning on about her troubles." :sorry:

I just hope people don't mind, that's all I'm asking.
I like to pray for my friends here. You can ask me to anytime. I've found that before I was here at TCL, I was not always praying as God directs us to. :) Each day here, I'm reminded how important it is.

[LilLamb219]

No, you don't ask for prayer too much!! It's one thing I'll stop for at any time of the day :D

[WildStrawberry]

I'll be praying for you as well, SeaJoy!

And no, I don't think you're prattling on about your woes!! Doesn't God want us to rely on our Church Family when we need comfort? Isn't that one of the reasons that He wants us to have a community of believers instead of being solitary "practitioners" of the Faith?

Kae

[KimLCMS]

Do I ask for prayer here too much, you think? :confused:

I hope people aren't PM'ing each other saying...."there goes seajoy again...droning on about her troubles." :sorry:

I just hope people don't mind, that's all I'm asking.
I like to pray for my friends here. You can ask me to anytime. I've found that before I was here at TCL, I was not always praying as God directs us to. :) Each day here, I'm reminded how important it is.
Don't ever feel bad about asking for prayer. It is a joy to be able to pray for those you care about. And I know what you mean, I always feel better knowing that someone is praying for me.

[seajoy]

Thanks friends :) :groupray:

[QuiltAngel]

No seajoy, we don't. Lots of times it helps to know that others are there for you and praying for you.

Let's all take time to remember the Virginia Tech University community today as they absorb and deal with what happened on their campus this morning.

[KimLCMS]

No seajoy, we don't. Lots of times it helps to know that others are there for you and praying for you.

Let's all take time to remember the Virginia Tech University community today as they absorb and deal with what happened on their campus this morning.

:prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:

[seajoy]

No seajoy, we don't. Lots of times it helps to know that others are there for you and praying for you.

Let's all take time to remember the Virginia Tech University community today as they absorb and deal with what happened on their campus this morning.
Yes Quilty, I just heard about that on the radio. How horrible.

[Jim47]

Thanks everyone for your prayers. It's been a hard day, as I'm also so tired because I had to sleep in a chair last night. I couldn't lay down.

The pain is slightly better, but seems as though it's not heading in a good direction the last 2 days.

Rev....I'd love to help you with that driveway.....sorry, uh.....I hurt too much already! :)


Maybe you could help me fix my cement mixer ;)

Get some rest SeaJoy :hug:

[seajoy]

Maybe you could help me fix my cement mixer ;)

Get some rest SeaJoy :hug:
My husband just mixed cement in a wheel barrow yesterday. Perhaps he could give you some tips on the 'old fashioned' way of mixing. :) He put footings in for new deck posts. I worked the hardest, though...I had to hold the string to make sure things were straight.....probably where all my pain is from today! ^_^

[KimLCMS]

My husband just mixed cement in a wheel barrow yesterday. Perhaps he could give you some tips on the 'old fashioned' way of mixing. :) He put footings in for new deck posts. I worked the hardest, though...I had to hold the string to make sure things were straight.....probably where all my pain is from today! ^_^
We may be doing some cement work soon too. We need to put up a shed in the back yard. (The shed won't be cement, just the floor);)

[Jim47]

My husband just mixed cement in a wheel barrow yesterday. Perhaps he could give you some tips on the 'old fashioned' way of mixing. :) He put footings in for new deck posts. I worked the hardest, though...I had to hold the string to make sure things were straight.....probably where all my pain is from today! ^_^


Oh I know all about mixing by hand, done it lots, but my elbows won't take the strain anymore and I would have to build a box to mix in. Still hoping the fix my Grand Dad's old mixer. Its about 60-70 years old or more. Grand Dad would be proud to know I'm still using it. He and I used to mix a lot of concrete.

[Jim47]

We may be doing some cement work soon too. We need to put up a shed in the back yard. (The shed won't be cement, just the floor);)



Yer welcome to use my mixer :)

[dinkime]

no cement here --

and seajoy, you can never pray too much or be prayed for too much!!!!!

[seajoy]

thanks Dinki....and that's for everyone here!

[dinkime]

my hands are so gross right now -- my dad made bbq chicken for dinner -- YUMMY! but certainly messy :)

[LilLamb219]

MMM....my husband brought home some extra hot, flaming BBQ chicken over the weekend!! He had gone to the Cubs game with his friend and they stopped for dinner afterwards. Whoa, it was HOT!

[Jim47]

MMM....my husband brought home some extra hot, flaming BBQ chicken over the weekend!! He had gone to the Cubs game with his friend and they stopped for dinner afterwards. Whoa, it was HOT!


Maybe you need a brew to cool things off? :)

[seajoy]

I made hamburgers, and they were just about done when my dear husband got a call back to work.
I'll have to warm them back up when he gets home.....and give him that last cold brew, too!

[LilLamb219]

Maybe you need a brew to cool things off? :)

Only if it's root beer :) I don't drink real beer :P

[Jim47]

Only if it's root beer :) I don't drink real beer :P


Are you sure you're Lutheran? ;)

My wife won't drink beer either but thats O'k cause then there is more for me :yum:

[LilLamb219]

Are you sure you're Lutheran? ;)

My wife won't drink beer either but thats O'k cause then there is more for me :yum:

Yup. Lutheran to the core!

And I'm not afraid to use scripture to prove it ;)

[seajoy]

Yup. Lutheran to the core!

And I'm not afraid to use scripture to prove it ;)
That's our Lambie!

[Jim47]

Yup. Lutheran to the core!

And I'm not afraid to use scripture to prove it ;)


O'K. Lets have it kiddo :P

[LilLamb219]

We'll start with the entire book of Romans :D

[QuiltAngel]

MMM....my husband brought home some extra hot, flaming BBQ chicken over the weekend!! He had gone to the Cubs game with his friend and they stopped for dinner afterwards. Whoa, it was HOT!
I really feel sorry for your husband "having" to go to a Cubs game.

[LilLamb219]

He gets tickets for free from a guy at work :)

[QuiltAngel]

Yup. Lutheran to the core!

And I'm not afraid to use scripture to prove it

Ah, we will take your word for it. You don't have to use scripture to prove it. ;) You are among friends here.

[QuiltAngel]

He gets tickets for free from a guy at work :)
Now I know who to ask should we find ourselves in Chicago and the Cubs are at home.

[LilLamb219]

Ah, we will take your word for it. You don't have to use scripture to prove it. ;) You are among friends here.

I was just at the EO's forum right before I posted that statement ;) That's pretty much one of the reasons I felt compelled to say it LOL

[LilLamb219]

Now I know who to ask should we find ourselves in Chicago and the Cubs are at home.

LOL He usually gets stuck with the games no one else wants to go to...he's going again this weekend. Last weekend was too cold and that's why no one wanted to go!

[porterross]

I was just at the EO's forum right before I posted that statement ;) That's pretty much one of the reasons I felt compelled to say it LOL
I was in a discussion today and actually defended RC against non-denoms and their declaration that they don't need no stinking creeds or doctrine or anything else penned by man. They only need their Bibles. Mind you this was AFTER numerous attempts at getting them to understand that catholic was not synonymous with Roman Catholic. Ugh!

[QuiltAngel]

Ugh! Been there. Been in enough of those lately myself. The ones I have chatted with insist on nothing written by a man, yet they post all sorts of stuff to back them up that were written by mere men.

[DaRev]

Are you talking about people on CF forums?
How can they be members here if they reject the creed? I thought that was a prereq?

[QuiltAngel]

The ones I have chatted with are not on CF. I don't know about Porter though.

[porterross]

Not on CF. A buddy of mine on an Alma Mater board was upset because someone called his wife a idolatrous pagan for being RC when she declined taking part in their non-denom bake sale.

I stated that the lack of knowledge of many non-denoms is usually evident and it's not worth getting upset about. That brought the few we have out and I was called condescending and one of those who obviously doesn't read the Bible but must depend on some man (Luther) to tell me what to believe (he meant the Creeds). Oy vey!

One of the RC's caught his error in Scriptural reference as he was referring to verses that didn't exist. Then he made fun of ME saying hail Mary and burning incense. :doh: He was a visual aid for my point, but it was sad.

[DaRev]

What truly amazes me is that those who reject the creeds don't realize that they come right out of Scripture. Not verbatim, but they are exactly what the Scriptures teach.

[seajoy]

What truly amazes me is that those who reject the creeds don't realize that they come right out of Scripture. Not verbatim, but they are exactly what the Scriptures teach.
How do non-denoms keep track of their beliefs. maybe I didn't word that very well, but you know what I mean, right?

[porterross]

"Show me where it says I need to believe in some creed or take catachizm (sic) or whatever in the Bible. If it's not in the Bible, I refuse to accept I need it because some man told me so." :sigh:
They just say what they believe is in the Bible. Like a broken record.

This guy had no idea what Creeds I referred to, what catechism is, or what the Sacrament of the Altar is....but he believes everything just as the Bible states it. It's all about Jesus. :doh:
He was very defensive yet made our point with every post and of course it got personal. "I don't need your catholic practices for salvation. The Bible says nothing about the catholic church." :confused: Yet, WE are the close-minded ones. :swoon:

[DaRev]

"Show me where it says I need to believe in some creed or take catachizm (sic) or whatever in the Bible. If it's not in the Bible, I refuse to accept I need it because some man told me so." :sigh:
They just say what they believe is in the Bible. Like a broken record.

I'd just agree with him. "What we believe is in the Bible, too. Sola Scriptura. The creeds and the catechsim just help us explain what the Bible says."
Now, I know they won't buy it, but it's still the truth.

This guy had no idea what Creeds I referred to, what catechism is, or what the Sacrament of the Altar is....but he believes everything just as the Bible states it. It's all about Jesus. :doh:
He was very defensive yet made our point with every post and of course it got personal. "I don't need your catholic practices for salvation. The Bible says nothing about the catholic church." :confused: Yet, WE are the close-minded ones. :swoon:

What they simply don't realize is everything the Lutheran Church practices and teaches is what the Apostle's practiced and taught. They (non-denoms) are the ones who have changed the teachings of the Bible.
(Tell then that... and then run! ^_^ )

[WildStrawberry]

I once had a Baptist friend (interesting, I just misspelled that as "fiend" :D) tell me that she'd be praying for me 'cause I "used the wrong Bible".

I was confused so I asked "huh? What do you mean 'wrong Bible?"

She said "well that isn't the Bible that God uses. He only uses the KJV 1611."

"Oh," says I, "I guess all of those people in France, Germany and other non English speaking foreign countries are just wasting their time reading the Bible in their own languages then right? God's just going to damn them to Hell 'cause they can't read English huh? Man, it must suck to be them." (why yes, I am a bit sarcastic when confronted with utter...well...stupidity.)

To which she had no comment. But she'd remind me almost weekly that she was praying that I'd "see the light" and "come back to the true Word."

*sigh*

Kae

[porterross]

I'd just agree with him. "What we believe is in the Bible, too. Sola Scriptura. The creeds and the catechsim just help us explain what the Bible says."
Now, I know they won't buy it, but it's still the truth.

Tried that. When I asked what he thought Sola Scriptura meant all I got was, "Scripture and soul something. Is that what those other books say?"

Ugh! :doh:


What they simply don't realize is everything the Lutheran Church practices and teaches is what the Apostle's practiced and taught. They (non-denoms) are the ones who have changed the teachings of the Bible.
(Tell then that... and then run! ^_^ )


THAT was when I was labeled condescending. Oh, and any mention of proper order of Law and Gospel really gets them going. I have no idea why. :confused:



I once had a Baptist friend (interesting, I just misspelled that as "fiend" :D) tell me that she'd be praying for me 'cause I "used the wrong Bible".

I was confused so I asked "huh? What do you mean 'wrong Bible?"

She said "well that isn't the Bible that God uses. He only uses the KJV 1611."

"Oh," says I, "I guess all of those people in France, Germany and other non English speaking foreign countries are just wasting their time reading the Bible in their own languages then right? God's just going to damn them to Hell 'cause they can't read English huh? Man, it must suck to be them." (why yes, I am a bit sarcastic when confronted with utter...well...stupidity.)

To which she had no comment. But she'd remind me almost weekly that she was praying that I'd "see the light" and "come back to the true Word."

*sigh*

Kae


Does she pray for you or thou? ^_^

[DaRev]

I once had a Baptist friend (interesting, I just misspelled that as "fiend" :D) tell me that she'd be praying for me 'cause I "used the wrong Bible".

I was confused so I asked "huh? What do you mean 'wrong Bible?"

She said "well that isn't the Bible that God uses. He only uses the KJV 1611."

You know what they say... "If it was good enough for John the Baptist, it's good enough for me."

^_^ ^_^

[WildStrawberry]

Does she pray for you or thou? ^_^

You know, :scratch: I never asked her. I may have to do that one of these days! :D

You know what they say... "If it was good enough for John the Baptist, it's good enough for me."

^_^ ^_^

ROFL! Thanks Rev!

Kae

[QuiltAngel]

Now don't go and confuse things with Law and Gospel. After all, we only need to hear the Gospel once every, oh, 5 years or so. And the Law well, since we are saved, we don't sin anymore so who needs the Law? Yet, we need to live right.

Am I leaving anything out? Grrr!!!

[DaRev]

Now don't go and confuse things with Law and Gospel. After all, we only need to hear the Gospel once every, oh, 5 years or so. And the Law well, since we are saved, we don't sin anymore so who needs the Law? Yet, we need to live right.

Am I leaving anything out? Grrr!!!

Oh, I don't know...

...maybe the Book of Romans? :doh:

^_^

[porterross]

Oh, I don't know...

...maybe the Book of Romans? :doh:

^_^
Yeppers! Reading Romans...ALL of Romans, was my parting assignment for those who claimed to be Bible Christians..., but not catholic. Okie Dokie then.

[QuiltAngel]

Oh, but Romans was written for the unsaved. Didn't you know that? That is what many of them say.

[DaRev]

I'm involved in the same type of conversation in the main forum! :doh:
Don't have to wander from TCL for that type of thing.

[Studeclunker]

Oh, my! You should have heard the air head at our bible study this Sunday. He was utterly convinced that he not only is no longer a sinful being, but that he was no longer capable of sinning!:doh: The pastor gave me a warning look as I started to laugh. Then he warned the fellow he was sitting next to a dyed in the wool Lutheran. Then everyone laughed. The pastor took him straight to First Corinthians and Romans, telling him that if he didn't that I would.;) Sometimes, being so predictable takes all the fun out of making a fool out of these idiots.:scratch:

[porterross]

Really? Do you think they can grasp every bit of it without and references or application?

Don't you wonder if they ever read more than a few passages at a time or question anything the "preacher" says? No pastors for them, mind you. Who beside another lay person or peer should dare pretend to teach them anything? Truly puzzling state of mind, isn't it?

[WildStrawberry]

I'm always amazed at the denominations that have a "don't worry about what to think or say or do...we'll tell you!" attitude.

It's one of the reasons I LOVE being a Lutheran. In my Sunday School class, we regularly have Q&A days, a day where the kids can bring their questions about anything Biblical, Theological, etc and I'll answer them. I also tell them "If I don't know the answer, I'll find the answer and if I can't find it, I'll find someone who can." That way they know that their question will be answered and will be answered with truth. I also emphasize that there aren't any stupid questions when it comes to things of the faith. If you don't understand something...ASK!!! Some of our best lessons have stemmed from questions that the students brought with them. I'll even "toss out" a lesson in favor of getting to the meat of the matter when a student asks a tough question.

Kae

[seajoy]

Oh, but Romans was written for the unsaved. Didn't you know that? That is what many of them say.
Wow.......that is one of my most comforting books of the bible now! What's wrong with me? :)

[seajoy]

I'm involved in the same type of conversation in the main forum! :doh:
Don't have to wander from TCL for that type of thing.
I hear you Rev. I saw we both talked about Paul in that thread.

[Jim47]

We'll start with the entire book of Romans :D


Just read it the other day..... And your point is ;)

[Jim47]

I was in a discussion today and actually defended RC against non-denoms and their declaration that they don't need no stinking creeds or doctrine or anything else penned by man. They only need their Bibles. Mind you this was AFTER numerous attempts at getting them to understand that catholic was not synonymous with Roman Catholic. Ugh!


I did the same thing with someone a few years back who was a self proclaimed bible schollar. If these people would look at the epistles and WHY they were written they would know that the creeds are important and just how many false teachings there are, and not only that but how clerverly deceptive they are, such as decision theology :sigh:

[synger]

Yer welcome to use my mixer :)
*sings*
(http://www.lyricsandsongs.com/song/575250.html)
"Cement mixer!
putti, putti
Cement mixer!
putti putti
Who wants a bucket of cement?
slurp slurp!"

[synger]

I was in a discussion today and actually defended RC against non-denoms and their declaration that they don't need no stinking creeds or doctrine or anything else penned by man. They only need their Bibles. Mind you this was AFTER numerous attempts at getting them to understand that catholic was not synonymous with Roman Catholic. Ugh!
*grins* I do that, too

Over in Charismatic there's a thread on whether Mary is the mother of God. I quoted the Epitome of the Formula of Concord in my answer. I was surprised when I actually got reps for it.

[synger]

Oh, I don't know...

...maybe the Book of Romans? :doh:

^_^
Romans is like.. um.. *thinks* "The Secret Garden". It's one of those books that I discovered as a teenager and made a serious impression on me.. and so I read it more often than all my other books. Sometimes I have to consciously make myself read other parts of the Bible (for which I am VERY glad to have lectionary to follow), but Romans I return to again and again and again. It's one of the "meatiest" books of the Bible in so many ways.

[DaRev]

Romans is like.. um.. *thinks* "The Secret Garden". It's one of those books that I discovered as a teenager and made a serious impression on me.. and so I read it more often than all my other books. Sometimes I have to consciously make myself read other parts of the Bible (for which I am VERY glad to have lectionary to follow), but Romans I return to again and again and again. It's one of the "meatiest" books of the Bible in so many ways.

There was someone else who read Romans and it had a profound effect on him. Started a whole movement in the Church to go back to the apostolic teachings that are the foundation of the Church.

That man? Martin Luther!

So, we're in good company! :amen:

[porterross]

I did the same thing with someone a few years back who was a self proclaimed bible schollar. If these people would look at the epistles and WHY they were written they would know that the creeds are important and just how many false teachings there are, and not only that but how clerverly deceptive they are, such as decision theology :sigh:

No doubt. Of course, I confess being compelled to revert to Lutheresque language, stating it was like trying to explain anything to a stubborn [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]. They can't even discuss theology because they have none and they have no knowledge of what traditional doctrine is, nor are they able to grasp it apparently. They seem to be completely brainwashed with whitewash.

Can you imagine how Paul would have addressed people with such attitudes? Oh, the joy of that fantasy!

[DaRev]

This place is a bit dead tonight.

[LilLamb219]

So, liven things up!

[DaRev]

So, liven things up!

I'll try...


...but I'll need some help.


;)

[filosofer]

Given my schedule, I'm always late to these parties... :(


Oh, my! You should have heard the air head at our bible study this Sunday. He was utterly convinced that he not only is no longer a sinful being, but that he was no longer capable of sinning!:doh:

Almost 30 years ago I was leading an evangelism call (training others), and the woman we visited also claimed she didn't sin. It took over 30 minutes to finally get her to admit that sometimes she might tell a "fib".

If her husband had been there, we could have cleared up the "sin" issue in about 15 seconds. :amen:

:D

In Christ's love,
filo

[seajoy]

I'll try...


...but I'll need some help.


;)
I could sing, maybe!

[seajoy]

It took over 30 minutes to finally get her to admit that sometimes she might tell a "fib".

If her husband had been there, we could have cleared up the "sin" issue in about 15 seconds. :amen:

What? :eek: Women sin?

[porterross]

What? :eek: Women sin?
A lot more often when men are in the house, for sure!