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isshinwhat
23rd March 2007, 11:06 PM
Is the cycle the readings of same from Church to Church, and do you have different readings inherent to the different Liturgies?
Thank you,
Neal
E.C.
23rd March 2007, 11:14 PM
I know that Greek and Slavic traditions sometimes call for different readings on Sunday. That's about all I can say for now.
Akathist
24th March 2007, 02:43 AM
I never thought about different readings for different Liturgies. I think that we have different Liturgies because of certain Feast days and therefore, inherently different readings. Somehow I don't think that is what your question is however. Sorry I couldn't be more help.
buzuxi02
24th March 2007, 02:48 AM
Same gospel and epistle readings unless the particular church follows the julian calendar or new calendar.
isshinwhat
24th March 2007, 06:28 AM
My question is framed in the background that some Catholics are concerned that the possible return of the Tridentine Rite with is different set of readings could cause division. I think that is silly, but given the diverse ethnic traditions in Orthodoxy and the existence of different Liturgies, I wanted to hear from you guys.
Thanks for the input so far.
Neal
Knowledge3
24th March 2007, 08:51 AM
The cycles and feast days of the Orthodox Church are based around the life of Jesus Christ.
My church reads the Gospels in English, so we also use an English liturgy.
The seasons of the Church is in cycles and feast days as we commemorate the saints.
Peace
Anhelyna
24th March 2007, 09:42 AM
I think that the OP is also remembering that the RC Church also at present uses different cycles of readings for weekdays and Sundays .
IIRC Sundays are on a 3 year Cycle known as A, B, and C and Weekdays are I and II.
Certainly the Cycle we use in the UGCC is the same each year. There are 12 Gospels used for mattins and you just cycle through them and then start again after number 12.
As long as you know which Sunday it is - then you can check in the Books and you know where you are . Certainly there are changes - during Lent etc = but again these are in the various books.
[i] yes I know this is a simplification - but I think it will give the broad pattern that we follow
isshinwhat
25th March 2007, 07:06 AM
Thank you. I'm a Lector and read a couple of days a week. I understand the reason for the Liturgical Cycle, I was just curious if I walked into a Russian Church, would I hear the same reading as in a Greek Church? What about between Greek and Greek?
Thank you,
Neal
Knowledge3
25th March 2007, 07:26 AM
To my knowledge, the Divine Liturgy in Greece is probably sung,prayed,and chanted in spoken Greek.
Greg the byzantine
25th March 2007, 07:34 AM
To my knowledge, the Divine Liturgy in Greece is probably sung,prayed,and chanted in spoken Greek.
1)Well you would hope so
2) That's not what he is asking
Isinwhat, from what I understand the daily, and particularly the Sunday readings are different between the different jurisdictions on regular (non-feast) days.
It is however my understanding that during lent, Holy Week, Pascha, Bright Week through Pentecost, and all the fixed feasts (Annuciation, Theophany (Epiphany), Nativity, etc.) all jurisdictions have the same Gospel and Epistle readings.
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but to my knowledge this is how it is currently without taking into consideration Old and New Calendar.
Knowledge3
25th March 2007, 08:02 AM
I. myself still have not gotten the complete seasons and cycles of the Orthodox Church yet.
I have the OSB Orthodox Study Bible which lists the feasts and commemorations of the saints of the Church.
So I have little knowledge on this specific subject.
Peace:priest:
Anhelyna
25th March 2007, 09:54 AM
Greg - I don't know if this will add to the confusion - but last year I had a St John of Kronstadt Press Planning Calendar [ROCOR] and my Church [ UGCC ] here in Scotland is OC and the readings are the same.
Greg the byzantine
25th March 2007, 11:58 AM
Greg - I don't know if this will add to the confusion - but last year I had a St John of Kronstadt Press Planning Calendar [ROCOR] and my Church [ UGCC ] here in Scotland is OC and the readings are the same.
I think it's based on which tradition. Russian Tradition which would include OCA, MP, ROCOR, (and UGCC, and Ruthenian Catholics) share a specific cycle. Then the followers of the Greek Tradition, EP churches, Antiochian, ( and I am guessing Melkite, Italo-Greek Catholics) follow a different cycle.
Then again I could be wrong about that.
Anhelyna
25th March 2007, 01:32 PM
Let's face it Greg
it's all very interesting - and just proves we are Byzantine :D
Knowledge3
25th March 2007, 01:56 PM
Byzantine Catholic or Western Rite Orthodox Catholic?
Anhelyna
25th March 2007, 02:28 PM
K3 - look under my name what it says about me - I'm a Ukrainian Greek Catholic ie Byzantine Catholic . As distinct from an Orthodox Christian
And this Catholic is concerned for you
Greg the byzantine
25th March 2007, 05:50 PM
Let's face it Greg
it's all very interesting - and just proves we are Byzantine :D
So True :D
MariaRegina
25th March 2007, 07:44 PM
I have compared the OCA new calendar with the Greek new calendar and at times there are different readings for Sunday.
And yes, the Old and New Calendars do add to the confusion in Orthodoxy.
Akathist
26th March 2007, 02:21 PM
I have compared the OCA new calendar with the Greek new calendar and at times there are different readings for Sunday.
And yes, the Old and New Calendars do add to the confusion in Orthodoxy.
That was what I just found myself. I also noticed sometimes there are differences during the week.
I just can't figure out why there are these differences. My Priest didn't have an answer for me when I asked him.
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