uniting all christians as one body[open]

[plum]

speaking as an individual, of course...

do you feel like a part of the process to "unite all christians as one body" here at CF?
do you think of it as an important goal?
do you think it includes you?
do you support it by your actions and words?
how is CF doing with this as whole?

[Kalanit]

Interesting...

#1. I don't visit CF enough to feel like I make much of a contribution to this forums' over all goal. Also, my perspective would be 'Uniting all Believers in Messiah' ... slight word change, but to me, it makes a difference.
#2. Um, yes. It's good to have a safe forum to discuss and debate and have easy access to various streams of faith. I also believe in uniting the Body- although, I realize my vision will probably differ from others... which makes unity more complicated!
#3. Do I have a role to play in reconciliation and unity within the Body of Messiah? Well, of course I do, however small a part it might be.
#4. That all depends on what you mean by 'unite' :)
#5. I have no idea because I don't keep up with it here. (Again, I'm not vary active.)

[ContentInHim]

speaking as an individual, of course...

do you feel like a part of the process to "unite all christians as one body" here at CF?
No, but then I don't think CF works at all to unite Christians as one body. :)
do you think of it as an important goal?
Not that it's not important, but that it's not possible in this age! :)
do you think it includes you?
Well, no - the Catholics diss the Protestants; the Protestants diss the Catholics and both diss the Messianics. :D
do you support it by your actions and words?
Sadly, not much! :(
how is CF doing with this as whole?
Not very well. :(.

[Bon]

In my opinion....CF is not the appropriate place for a Messianic Forum.

It's pretty obvious why not.

But for some reason MJ's cannot seem to find a permanent home elsewhere.

[plum]

In my opinion....CF is not the appropriate place for a Messianic Forum.

It's pretty obvious why not.

But for some reason MJ's cannot seem to find a permanent home elsewhere.
many on this forum would email you URLs of other small forums where messianics can fellowship... some are out there, but there is no place yet (in the few i've found) that seems to be "central" to messianics of all flavours. it's hard to build a forum from 0 posts up to something with a community and an active stream of discussion and information.

[plum]

[double post. whoopsies!]

[Wags]

In my opinion....CF is not the appropriate place for a Messianic Forum.

It's pretty obvious why not.

But for some reason MJ's cannot seem to find a permanent home elsewhere.


Hey is that a new icon you are sporting Bon? I don't think I've ever seen it before and my eyes must be getting bad becuase I can't quite make out what it is.

While CF may not be the perfect place for a messianic forum, and we do get dissed from all sides - at least people have the opportunity to find out we exist. Several of our current members stuck their heads in the door out of curiosity and then ended up asking questions. And as the saying goes "one thing led to another....."

[Bon]

Hey is that a new icon you are sporting Bon? I don't think I've ever seen it before and my eyes must be getting bad becuase I can't quite make out what it is.

While CF may not be the perfect place for a messianic forum, and we do get dissed from all sides - at least people have the opportunity to find out we exist. Several of our current members stuck their heads in the door out of curiosity and then ended up asking questions. And as the saying goes "one thing led to another....."

You mean my torah scroll?
Or do you mean the Artscroll Tanach icon?

[MarsHill]

You mean my torah scroll?
Or do you mean the Artscroll Tanach icon?


I think she means.........."What's up with the luggage?"

It's as if you or your little icon is taking a trip overseas!

Will all of that luggage fit in a Volvo???????

(I think Wags is referring to the Artscroll Tanach icon)

[AbiYah]

speaking as an individual, of course...

do you feel like a part of the process to "unite all christians as one body" here at CF?
do you think of it as an important goal?
do you think it includes you?
do you support it by your actions and words?
how is CF doing with this as whole?
My answer to most is "yes" - but also - sometimes there is commonality in being different... It's good to have one's own room to go to, but also to mix and find different 'flavors' and ethnicities.

[AbiYah]

speaking as an individual, of course...

do you feel like a part of the process to "unite all christians as one body" here at CF?
do you think of it as an important goal?
do you think it includes you?
do you support it by your actions and words?
how is CF doing with this as whole?
My answer to most is "yes" - but also - sometimes there is commonality in being different... It's good to have one's own room to go to, but also to mix and find different 'flavors' and ethnicities.

[Ivy]

speaking as an individual, of course...

do you feel like a part of the process to "unite all christians as one body" here at CF?
do you think of it as an important goal?
do you think it includes you?
do you support it by your actions and words?
how is CF doing with this as whole?

Well, on my homepage it says that one of my interests is to promote a good relationship between the church and the Jewish people........lofty goal, right? :idea: A lot of Christians are so hardheaded and negative, though, that they make me feel like banging my head against the wall. If I visited certain threads regularly, I'd get disillusioned with the whole website--so I don't visit those threads. But on the days when I feel like a little aggravation, I go :D

I don't think CF can really unite all Christians as one body, though.......mainly for the reason that God has already united us as one body--whether or not we like it!

The problem is not that we're not unified, but that we don't happen to like some of the people we're united with! :D

And the thing with that is.....tough luck. We have to get over it......and I think that CF does help people "get over it." :swoon:

[AbiYah]

I just realized I forgot to answer the last part http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/antsinmypants/Emoticons/angel/2.gif

Yes, I think CF is doing this, in that it got all of us crazy people together and the fact we're even 'talking' to begin with ;)

[Ivy]

What the heck happened to the post I just wrote????? I think it just disappeared in all that unity. :D

Oh, there it is........never mind, the site must be slow tonight.

[HadassahSukkot]

What the heck happened to the post I just wrote????? I think it just disappeared in all that unity. :D

Oh, there it is........never mind, the site must be slow tonight.
I Wondered that too, when it said you had posted... LOL...

Everyone has given lovely answers :)

[plum]

Well, on my homepage it says that one of my interests is to promote a good relationship between the church and the Jewish people........lofty goal, right? :idea: A lot of Christians are so hardheaded and negative, though, that they make me feel like banging my head against the wall. If I visited certain threads regularly, I'd get disillusioned with the whole website--so I don't visit those threads. But on the days when I feel like a little aggravation, I go :D

I don't think CF can really unite all Christians as one body, though.......mainly for the reason that God has already united us as one body--whether or not we like it!

The problem is not that we're not unified, but that we don't happen to like some of the people we're united with! :D

And the thing with that is.....tough luck. We have to get over it......and I think that CF does help people "get over it." :swoon:
great post!

we're a body whether we like it or not. thank goodness it's not about our lame attempts or some internet forum in the end :D

[LadyGarnetRose]

speaking as an individual, of course...

do you feel like a part of the process to "unite all christians as one body" here at CF?

We are one body, it's just that we do not communicate to well between each other.



do you think of it as an important goal?

Very, there is too much long standing tradition that seperates. Too much bad blood between different denominations, and the missinformation that is passed orally outside of scripture doesn't help.



do you think it includes you?

I'm still here :)



do you support it by your actions and words?

I try to. I do not always succeed.



how is CF doing with this as whole?

I think CF is lacking in many areas.

I think if CF really does want to unite, it has to really look at some that they have chosen as "leaders" here. (not in the MJ section, I haven't noticed a problem in here with that and yes I would say something privtely probably but haven't seen it :)

Also, the shear volume of hatred. I see so much hatred it gets my blood boiling then my patience goes away and I pubically call people out.

There's a few more things, I just don't have the words yet to go with the thoughts.

[Bon]

I think she means.........."What's up with the luggage?"

It's as if you or your little icon is taking a trip overseas!

As a matter of fact, I am taking a trip overseas. :clap:
Next month...to the US to visit a friend.

Will all of that luggage fit in a Volvo???????
Maybe not the S40.

(I think Wags is referring to the Artscroll Tanach icon)
Thank you MarsHill...for the clarification. :hug:

[stone]

speaking as an individual, of course...

do you feel like a part of the process to "unite all christians as one body" here at CF?

yes, and i think that anybody that wants to help can.



do you think of it as an important goal?

yes



do you think it includes you?

i say yes, and that its up to the individual



do you support it by your actions and words?

I try to




how is CF doing with this as whole?

as a whole..?

I've seen improvements since the time i've spent here a little over a year ago. There are alot of moderators that are trying to bridge the gap between the christian denominations, and its working.

As part of staff now, the 1st thing i've noticed is that it may be helpful to add a non-trinitarian christians only forum, with sub-forums for the different denominations, as a resolution for some of those kinds problems.

[stone]

It's also not everybody against us, thanks to a couple of disillusioned bad apples that try and represent their whole bunch by their own deceptive words, it may appear so, but its just not true.

[brachah]

we r 1.

[insaneinthebrain]

do you feel like a part of the process to "unite all christians as one body" here at CF?
nope
do you think of it as an important goal?
Probably, but I disagree with the "ignore our differences" approach that most want to take.
do you think it includes you?
do you support it by your actions and words?
Probably not.
how is CF doing with this as whole?
I don't know that an internet forum can accomplish anything this place claims it's trying to do.

[Yusuphhai]

Hmmm, "Christian" is one of the most difficult definition which nearly confuses everyone. Christianity can be also a great enemy of Israel in spirit.

Friend or enemy?

[gilfv]

[quote=eirene;32948527]speaking as an individual, of course...

do you feel like a part of the process to "unite all christians as one body" here at CF?
do you think of it as an important goal?
do you think it includes you?
do you support it by your actions and words?
how is CF doing with this as whole?Hi Eirene (Everyone) :wave: ,

*correction*

Being segregated into various groups (Christian, Messianic etc..) is not the main just of not Truly loving and believing in God's Truth, but our HEARTS (not TRULY having LOVE written in and on our Hearts).

The Christian faith, Messianic Faith etc are just titles, but the title that matters the most is LOVE. And without TRUTHFULLY having LOVE in our souls and every day life, everthing we do is in Vain.

i pray we all come together IN HEART, because God is LOVE and LOVE is God.

Thank you for reading

gilfv

[christianmomof3]

speaking as an individual, of course...

1. do you feel like a part of the process to "unite all christians as one body" here at CF?
2. do you think of it as an important goal?
3. do you think it includes you?
4. do you support it by your actions and words?
5. how is CF doing with this as whole?
1. I hope so, but am not sure. As others have pointed out, there is a lot of bickering that goes on at CF between the various groups.
I think that shows that Satan does not want us united.
2. We cannot unite ourselves.
Only the Lord can do that.
And I don't think that all Christians will ever agree on all doctrines.
The Bible tells us that we will all come to the oneness of the faith, not the oneness of the doctrines.
I think we need to remember that.
I personally think that no one group has everything right and if they think they do, they are deceiving themselves.
I think that all Christian groups (and Messianics - while some say they are Chrisitans, others insist they are not) probably have more in common that they have as differences.
And it is what is in common that is correct.
In the book of Revelation, the seven lampstands were identical. The differences in those churches that were pointed out were all negative things.
I am not saying that all of our differences are necessarily negative, but many of them probably are and focusing on the differences rather than on Christ is certainly negative.
Different is different, not necessarily wrong.
What is best for one person may not be best for another.
We need to focus on enjoying the one Christ and stop nitpicking about the rest of the stuff.
3. I am glad that the messianic forum was opened up some to include those of us who are Jewish by birth and now are Christian. I think it is important for all of us to have fellowship together.
4. I have no clue.
5. I think that CF has an open platform for the members of the different groups to come together and fellowship and even though some bickering occurs, it is still good to have a place where all are allowed to fellowship and share beliefs and dialogue. That is the only way we can learn about and from each other.

[jgonz]

I probably don't help the process here at CF, but that's because I typically run screaming in the opposite direction from Anyone or Any entity trying to force "unity" on me and others. "Unity" makes me think of the false messiah and the false church that is coming... Trying to unite with all those other doctrines (for example, at CF) that are SO Vastly different... makes me very nervous...

I do agree that G-d is the one who is/will supernaturally unite His people. I don't see it to date though. (I'm sorry if I sound incredible skeptical and cynical.)

[Bon]

I probably don't help the process here at CF, but that's because I typically run screaming in the opposite direction from Anyone or Any entity trying to force "unity" on me and others. "Unity" makes me think of the false messiah and the false church that is coming... Trying to unite with all those other doctrines (for example, at CF) that are SO Vastly different... makes me very nervous...



You make a good point...and I have to say, I agree.

[brachah]

yes i agree too. what i mean christian is the true christians chosen by G-d himself, including all the jewish who wl b saved. its nothing to do with CF.

what i can say? it is true there is no such a special place for MJ. but here i need u guys so much. i feel as if we r of 1 family. n we can break any obstacle thru the strength of G-d for an efficient communication. amen.

i agree with the "leader" part. 1 19 year old "leader" is trying to delete one of my posts. i feel sick. i want her go home or go to school. terroble.

but it reminds me that in this world no place is perfect. we find sins everywhere... sometimes it makes me feel better when i have to sin. hehe.

[Renatus]

If I be allowed to write my opinion.

I think every christian, true christian, is united with all the other christians, maybe not by a denomination, but even by heart and Christus. The fundament of every christian have to be Jesus, he is the way. This unity isn't a formal unity, but an inner unity.
The unity of the false messiah is a formal I think. In some way a forced unity, but not a real inner unity.
In my opinion that is the critical difference.

[Ivy]

About differences, while we can't be in a state of denial about them, it isn't always best to highlight them either.

Sometimes it's a difference that doesn't really matter, what Rav Sha'ul called a "disputable matter." Other times it's something that does matter, that is quite clearly outlined in scripture & people are trying to fiddle with it.

A lot of times the disagreement is essentially about which category something falls into, the doesn't-matter category, or the does-matter category.

Sometime it's good to address it, but a lot of times, it's best to let the Holy Spirit square up other people's corners in his own good time. This isn't denying it, but the fact is, it's not given to me to fix everything about everyone.

[MattyJames]

About differences, while we can't be in a state of denial about them, it isn't always best to highlight them either.

Sometimes it's a difference that doesn't really matter, what Rav Sha'ul called a "disputable matter." Other times it's something that does matter, that is quite clearly outlined in scripture & people are trying to fiddle with it.

A lot of times the disagreement is essentially about which category something falls into, the doesn't-matter category, or the does-matter category.

Sometime it's good to address it, but a lot of times, it's best to let the Holy Spirit square up other people's corners in his own good time. This isn't denying it, but the fact is, it's not given to me to fix everything about everyone.

Read James 5:19-20. It is your duty to reprove sin.

MJ

[MattyJames]

I probably don't help the process here at CF, but that's because I typically run screaming in the opposite direction from Anyone or Any entity trying to force "unity" on me and others. "Unity" makes me think of the false messiah and the false church that is coming... Trying to unite with all those other doctrines (for example, at CF) that are SO Vastly different... makes me very nervous...

I do agree that G-d is the one who is/will supernaturally unite His people. I don't see it to date though. (I'm sorry if I sound incredible skeptical and cynical.)

Jgonz, allow me to pick up your point and add a few more points.

Mat 10:34 Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword.

Amo 3:3 Can two walk together unless they are agreed?

Mat 10:14 And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

There will never be unity between 'Christians' and 'Messianics'. Anything suggesting otherwise is steeped in nievity, in my honest opinion.

No doubt, I'm not alone.

regards,

Matt James

[Ivy]

Matty,

Ecclesiastes says that there is a time to speak and a time to remain silent.

I am speaking of the fact that neither you or I are the Holy Spirit; it creates resentment in other people when we play God as if it is our job to straighten out other people everywhere they are wrong.

[Yusuphhai]

Hmm. Who is "true Christian"? If you or I am, does it mean we are always right? I personally like the true unity of all true Christian and understand the difference between each other.

And in my experience, the church is a patient who need rectify, but not recognize himself. Santan has deceived a lot of People in the name of Jesus .I also don't like Negative, which is often origined from Pressure.

Pardon me complaining.

[Renatus]

Hmm. Who is "true Christian"? If you or I am, does it mean we are always right? I personally like the true unity of all true Christian and understand the difference between each other.
That's hard to describe and in English it's just harder for me.

I think the teachings of Jesus have to be the fundament of this kind of christians. They have to be in some kind reborn, so changed their thinking and live to the word Jesus preaches, the word of God. I think the most important Gospels's elements for us to do are believing and praising God, absolute charity to our next and accepting the sacrifice of Jesus, he did for us. I think, if someone takes that in heart and practice that, someone is a true christian. Of course nobody is a saint, erverybody is a sinner, but that have to be the goal.
In my experiences shows, that something like the denomination or the other differences in faith between me and other christians are without significance, if the other keep these most important things in his heart.

[HadassahSukkot]

Renatus, what you have written reminds me of Dietrich Bonhoeffer... :)

It is true, we stand on a fine line with sometimes a strict walk.. We do have to call a spade a spade, but there is also time for silence.

Sometimes silence speaks a lot more loudly than words.

I think also that unity is an oft misunderstood term, and is oft misapplied as well.

We hear unity and are reminded of the false system and false unities, instead of the Unity of Messiah.

It is a pity when our fallen world and sad circumstances dictate what we understand to be truth.

[brachah]

i have no pity in christ even i was not allowed to express my opinions here, as i am free in christ. n i love the jewish messianics as 1 family in christ. the other things do not MATTER!!!

i dont believe isolation wl work. everybody can express his/her opinions, if u dont like, u can ignore it. he/she wl find his/her friends when u are ignoring. this is how the world is functioning.

i also have sympathy for the "leaders"- its difficult for them to remain un-biased when themselves have not even realized their own problems. anyway CF is a place to glorify G-d. whatever u do think about it are u glorifing HIM or u r putting obstacles to ur Brothers n Sisters feet? i am sorry i even dont know whether u r regarding me as a Sister while i believe u r mine.

[brachah]

great post, well done. the truth expresses in its own way, n no one can shut it up. amen. (i am thinking this thread may get shut down by the shut downers 1 day, hehe)

[brachah]

messianics are not christian? i never heard of this before! somebody is questioning my faith icon. is that a big deal????? i am a christian, i have NO denominations. why we must have? LOL

[Tishri1]

It's also not everybody against us, thanks to a couple of disillusioned bad apples that try and represent their whole bunch by their own deceptive words, it may appear so, but its just not true.this is true guys I've on staff almost a year and I can say for certainty that Staff LOVE YOU MJ's:groupray: they respect our differences and admire our respect for each other, at no time have I ever heard staff belittle us.......*Tish thinking of asking staff to come around with some big bear hugs for her forum:thumbsup:

Jgonz, allow me to pick up your point and add a few more points.

Mat 10:34 Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword.

Amo 3:3 Can two walk together unless they are agreed?

Mat 10:14 And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

There will never be unity between 'Christians' and 'Messianics'. Anything suggesting otherwise is steeped in nievity, in my honest opinion.

No doubt, I'm not alone.

regards,

Matt James
I disagree Matty I am among them all day and we are unified...it's not 100% perfect but it's more than you know

[plum]

if i may repeat... doctrinal unity? no, i doubt this will ever happen.
but I do think we have a unity as measured by the 'Ultimate Level' (aka Yeshua's blood by which we are all brought in, all granted mercy, all undeservedly loved just as much as anyone else).

Here is the call to unity:
3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. 4 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith. 7 If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; 8 if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully. 9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with God's people who are in need. Practice hospitality. 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

[Tishri1]

woo hoo:thumbsup: Originally Posted by Romans 12
3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. 4 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith. 7 If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; 8 if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully. 9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with God's people who are in need. Practice hospitality. 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
amen Juls

[brachah]

Ur Will B Done On Earth As It Is In Heaven. Amen.

[brachah]

bye

[Torah]

bye
brachah Are you saying a permanent good by or just a “see you later” good by?

[MattyJames]

Matty,

Ecclesiastes says that there is a time to speak and a time to remain silent.

I am speaking of the fact that neither you or I are the Holy Spirit; it creates resentment in other people when we play God as if it is our job to straighten out other people everywhere they are wrong.

My reading this morning.

Prov 12:1. Whose loveth instruction loveth knowledge; but he that hateth reproof is stupid.

As I read scriptures, I find two types of hearts. A heart stone, and a heart of flesh. It isn't our job to judge the hearts, but it is our job to judge the actions.

Joh 7:24 Do not judge according to sight, but judge righteous judgment.

Eirene. Please correct me if I am wrong, but to be 'Messianic' one would assume that Shabbas, moedim and 'Torah' are 'obligations' upon everyone who calls upon Yeshua as Messiah and who is the seed (spiritual) of Abraham. Please show me how this view can be reconciled with a view that speaks, preaches and believes the total oppisite.

If there is unification - my question would be; 'Unification according to who??' ....God? or are we deciving ourselves??

Does this mean we have to be rude, nasty or vindictive. No! Don't take me wrong. We 'should' be able to live in harmony, just like we 'try' and do with secular society. However, this doesn't mean we are 'unified'. What ever 'unified' may mean.

some more of me,

Matt James

[Ivy]

I would say if the reprovee hates reproof as a general rule, then that person has a problem, all right.

But it's the problem of the would-be reprover to accurately discern whether or not they should say something.

Someone once said, "To each God has given some gift, such as musical talent--though not as many as think so." I think it is the same with reprovers as with musical talent--not as many as think so. :sorry: ;)

I also think that for every time we reprove someone else, there are probably ten things we could reprove in ourselves, and the best person to concentrate on is numero uno. That's the person I have the most power to change, me.

[MattyJames]

I would say if the reprovee hates reproof as a general rule, then that person has a problem, all right.

But it's the problem of the would-be reprover to accurately discern whether or not they should say something.

Someone once said, "To each God has given some gift, such as musical talent--though not as many as think so." I think it is the same with reprovers as with musical talent--not as many as think so. :sorry: ;)

I also think that for every time we reprove someone else, there are probably ten things we could reprove in ourselves, and the best person to concentrate on is numero uno. That's the person I have the most power to change, me.

Yes we should work on ourselves, that goes without saying. And yes, there are many who are 'supposedly' musically talented.

However, my original post remains. :)

Pro 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Good night,

MJ

[Ivy]

A speaker I heard once said that believers come in two types.....those who are law & order-oriented and those who are mercy-oriented; and he said that since both types are *indispensable to the health of the Body, they should take care not to judge each other. It's probably a matter of different gifts and graces being given to different ones.

[christianmomof3]

A speaker I heard once said that believers come in two types.....those who are law & order-oriented and those who are mercy-oriented; and he said that since both types are *indispensable to the health of the Body, they should take care not to judge each other. It's probably a matter of different gifts and graces being given to different ones.
I was told that we should be strict with ourselves and merciful towards others.

[brachah]

i find some major mistakes here in this forum regarding denominations. i pray G-d wl bless me enough money then i know what i can do. i wl open a new christian forum correcting the mistake. amen. black is black, white is white for me. i dont care who said white is black or black is white, or for whatever reason. i sent pm to erwin. may G-d touch this guy too.

[MattyJames]

A speaker I heard once said that believers come in two types.....those who are law & order-oriented and those who are mercy-oriented; and he said that since both types are *indispensable to the health of the Body, they should take care not to judge each other. It's probably a matter of different gifts and graces being given to different ones.

Yes, I see your point...although I dissagree with the basis of the argument. Love requires both Law and order, and it requires mercy. To have one without the other is a little unbalanced.

I wouldn't see them as gifts either. I'd see them as basic imperitives.

my two bobs.

MJ

[MattyJames]

I was told that we should be strict with ourselves and merciful towards others.

By whom?

MJ

[Toney]

It has been a while since I posted on MJ. Hello :wave: to old friends.

First to the OP, if "Uniting all Christians as one body" means having an accessible, highly compartmentalized website, then mission accomplished.

Like most things, CF is what you make of it.

I first came to MJ from OBOB, the Catholic forum. I had started a thread there on MJ in response to another of the thousands of threads on why MJ is or is not Christian.

I became so enamored of MJ that I left OBOB and came here. I call WWMC, the liberal Christian forum, home these days. But it was MJ that formed my current beliefs by instructing me on the ungodly notion of Replacement Theology, which sadly is still accepted by the great majority of Christians.

[brachah]

fighting, fighting, fighting, i am so sick of it.

[Ivy]

But it was MJ that formed my current beliefs by instructing me on the ungodly notion of Replacement Theology, which sadly is still accepted by the great majority of Christians.

Sadly yes. :sigh:

[visionary]

Theology aside hopefully when it comes to Yeshua vs the world. Family infights continue inhouse. Outside world needs to see a united front.

[Ivy]

fighting, fighting, fighting, i am so sick of it.

"He leads me beside quiet waters; He restores my soul." Ps. 23..........when you're tired of fighting, sometimes it's good to take a little quiet time in the peaceful presence of the Good Shepherd. :hug:

[debi b]

It has been a while since I posted on MJ. Hello :wave: to old friends.



good to see, er I mean hear, er I mean read of you again :wave:

[MattyJames]

good to see, er I mean hear, er I mean read of you again :wave:

Yes ditto - Please hang around Toney.

Shabbas Shalom,

Matt James

[Toney]

Thanks Debi & Matt and also to Tishri for her message. The moderator lineup at MJ looks a good deal friendlier, that's for sure.

I did not try to post to a thread that did not have [open] tags, and there are not many open threads.

Did anything change after that last go-round?

(How are we doing with that "uniting all Christians" thing? At least, I am on topic but hope I am not intruding.)

[brachah]

well, i fight so hard, satan gave me a toothache, my Doctor healed it. alleluia! i pray peace in my heart, sword in my hand. satan, where is ur authority of ur poisoning hook of sin? may the prescious blood of jesus christ cover us. may the accuser escape before the blood of our Lord jesus christ, in christ jesus amen.

[Henaynei]

attempts to create a unity where the definitions of us and them are so open and vague that the river no longer has banks, in which the differences are militantly ignored and where more often than not one POV is foisted as the acceptable line by the "really" open and mature, and there by impelling upon those "less mature and loving" a bullying by implication, has only torn away the Truth from of the Bible and it's message - in the past and in the present day ... IRL and in cyberspace ....

b'Shalom
Henaynei

[MattyJames]

attempts to create a unity where the definitions of us and them are so open and vague that the river no longer has banks, in which the differences are militantly ignored and where more often than not one POV is foisted as the acceptable line by the "really" open and mature, and there by impelling upon those "less mature and loving" a bullying by implication, has only torn away the Truth from of the Bible and it's message - in the past and in the present day ... IRL and in cyberspace ....

b'Shalom
Henaynei

So, can two walk together unless they be agreed?

I didn't think so either.

regards to you Henny.

MJ

[brachah]

to see who is ur friend is to see who is ur enemy's enemy. the world n its leaders are controlled by G-d. can u deny that christians now fight n lay down lives together with the jewish to fight the same enemy here on earth?

[BoazB]

I always find it sad when believers fight. Those who would fight against the purposes of G-d, and try and end what He is doing on earth recognise our unity as believers more than we do.

In Nazism, no one asked what sort of Jew, and in the places of persecution of now, they don't ask what denomination you belong to (except in some countries where the government has a preferred "denomination" )

[Henaynei]

So, can two walk together unless they be agreed?

I didn't think so either.

regards to you Henny.

MJthe only agreement necessary is that we serve and honor G-d.

The fact is that G-d gave us all minds to use and inquisitiveness - the drive to understand and explain. Thus humans endlessly question and inquire and explore the scriptures. This can only mean that there WILL be divergent opinions about numerous "issues" related to scripture and service to HaShem.

Regards in return :)

I always find it sad when believers fight. Those who would fight against the purposes of G-d, and try and end what He is doing on earth recognise our unity as believers more than we do.

In Nazism, no one asked what sort of Jew, and in the places of persecution of now, they don't ask what denomination you belong to (except in some countries where the government has a preferred "denomination" )Because there are divergent views does not mandate fighting. What causes fighting is the tendency to believe that if someone else believes differently than do you this repudiates your beliefs and then you are driven to defend yours and challenge/disprove theirs.

This is a decidedly greco POV and has not served the body of Messiah well these 2000 years.

b'Shalom
Henaynei

[Bethshaya]

Does it really matter what "we" feel? God is truth and God said in scripture that there are only three groups of people; Jew, Gentile and Church.

For the Messianic, they are members of two groups. Jew by geneology as an heir as the seed of Abraham and church, through geneology as an heir to Christ.

I can't think of any group who is more blessed than this group of people. I don't know where all the bashing comes from between "denomination to denomination", but I liken it to the questions that the apostles posed to Christ when they asked him which one of them would be the greatest in heaven. His answer: None of you.

We are all equal in Gods eyes. We are all His children and He loves us all...the same. He gives each of us all of His love. Imagine how much love that is to be able to dout over your children with that much love and attention!

We all have the same inheiritance. Why do we fight?

I am not Messianic, but I am Christian. I personally love reading through your forums because y'all give me a perspective of scripture through Hebrew eyes that I can easily overlook because I do not have the knowledge of culture, language or history. I consider it not only a priviledge and honor, but also essential to my study to understand these things through you. I liken it to reading a book of "cliff notes" versus the real novel. I miss so much if I dont go looking for the underlying meanings and history.

So thanks to everyone here for providing me with that knowledge and sharing your perspectives with me!

[visionary]

Does it really matter what "we" feel? God is truth and God said in scripture that there are only three groups of people; Jew, Gentile and Church.

For the Messianic, they are members of two groups. Jew by geneology as an heir as the seed of Abraham and church, through geneology as an heir to Christ.

I can't think of any group who is more blessed than this group of people. I don't know where all the bashing comes from between "denomination to denomination", but I liken it to the questions that the apostles posed to Christ when they asked him which one of them would be the greatest in heaven. His answer: None of you.

We are all equal in Gods eyes. We are all His children and He loves us all...the same. He gives each of us all of His love. Imagine how much love that is to be able to dout over your children with that much love and attention!

We all have the same inheiritance. Why do we fight?

I am not Messianic, but I am Christian. I personally love reading through your forums because y'all give me a perspective of scripture through Hebrew eyes that I can easily overlook because I do not have the knowledge of culture, language or history. I consider it not only a priviledge and honor, but also essential to my study to understand these things through you. I liken it to reading a book of "cliff notes" versus the real novel. I miss so much if I dont go looking for the underlying meanings and history.

So thanks to everyone here for providing me with that knowledge and sharing your perspectives with me!I like the way you see things

[Ivy]

I don't know where all the bashing comes from between "denomination to denomination", but I liken it to the questions that the apostles posed to Christ when they asked him which one of them would be the greatest in heaven. His answer: None of you.



Well said, my sister :thumbsup:

[Yusuphhai]

I started a thread in Asia Section. If you like welcome to visit here:


Abrahamic Faith and Messianic Judaism(Church of West Asia and Israel)

http://www.christianforums.com/t2478716-abrahamic-faith-and-messianic-judaismchurch-of-west-asia-and-israel.html