Where does it say a Lutheran can lose their salvation?

[rd151]

I asked the question before concerning whether Lutherans believe in the doctrine once saved always saved. Well everyone says the Augsberg confessions teach a Christian can lose their salvation? Would someone please show me where that is stated? :prayer:

[DaSeminarian]

I asked the question before concerning whether Lutherans believe in the doctrine once saved always saved. Well everyone says the Augsberg confessions teach a Christian can lose their salvation? Would someone please show me where that is stated? :prayer:
Because of sin, man does not have the natural ability to choose God. This is explained in the third article explanation of the Apostle's Creed.

God does the work in our baptism not us. The only thing we can do is to reject him and his gifts. Therefore we can reject our baptism. However, this is not always an arbitrary decision made by anyone, but rather is done by the person through his life. If he livesa life of sin without repentence or remorse he or she is choosing to reject God's gifts.

[porterross]

Article XII - Concerning Repentance



1] Of Repentance they teach that for those who have fallen after Baptism there is remission of sins whenever they are converted 2] and that the Church ought to impart absolution to those thus returning to repentance. Now, repentance consists properly of these 3] two parts: One is contrition, that is, 4] terrors smiting the conscience through the knowledge of sin; the other is faith, which is born of 5] the Gospel, or of absolution, and believes that for Christ's sake, sins are forgiven, comforts 6] the conscience, and delivers it from terrors. Then good works are bound to follow, which are the fruits of repentance.
7] They condemn the Anabaptists, who deny that those once justified can lose the Holy Ghost. Also those who contend that some may attain to such 8] perfection in this life that they cannot sin.
9] The Novatians also are condemned, who would not absolve such as had fallen after Baptism, though they returned to repentance.
10] They also are rejected who do not teach that remission of sins comes through faith but command us to merit grace through satisfactions of our own.

[rd151]

I dont understand the above paragraph.Please explain it in our simple english

[porterross]

Kolb & Wengert, German text, is a bit more clear to me:


XII. Concerning Repentance

7 Rejected here are those who teach that whoever has once become righteous cannot fall again.

[Jim47]

This passage makes it quite clear for me.

1Co 10:12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

1] Of Repentance they teach that for those who have fallen after Baptism there is remission of sins whenever they are converted 2] and that the Church ought to impart absolution to those thus returning to repentance. Now, repentance consists properly of these 3] two parts: One is contrition, that is, 4] terrors smiting the conscience through the knowledge of sin; the other is faith, which is born of 5] the Gospel, or of absolution, and believes that for Christ's sake, sins are forgiven, comforts 6] the conscience, and delivers it from terrors. Then good works are bound to follow, which are the fruits of repentance.
7] They condemn the Anabaptists, who deny that those once justified can lose the Holy Ghost. Also those who contend that some may attain to such 8] perfection in this life that they cannot sin.
9] The Novatians also are condemned, who would not absolve such as had fallen after Baptism, though they returned to repentance.
10] They also are rejected who do not teach that remission of sins comes through faith but command us to merit grace through satisfactions of our own.

We need our seminarians in here to explain this one, because I was always taught that Lutherans did believed that those onced justified could reject salvation...

[Aibrean]

Luke 12:10

And every one who speaks a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

[porterross]

We need our seminarians in here to explain this one, because I was always taught that Lutherans did believed that those onced justified could reject salvation...
Read post #5 for the K&W version. The other is what's found online.

[Melethiel]

We need our seminarians in here to explain this one, because I was always taught that Lutherans did believed that those onced justified could reject salvation...
Easy. The Reformers condemn the Anabaptists, who deny that those justified can lose the Holy Ghost. Read it again.

[DaRev]

We need our seminarians in here to explain this one, because I was always taught that Lutherans did believed that those onced justified could reject salvation...

You know what's funny? You asked for seminarians to respond, and both responses were from women!! ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Easy. The Reformers condemn the Anabaptists, who deny that those justified can lose the Holy Ghost. Read it again.

Oooooooohhhhhhh!!

I get it now! I thought it was saying precisely the opposite....

You know what's funny? You asked for seminarians to respond, and both responses were from women!! ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^

Either the women in here rock (true), or I'm asking dumb questions (also true).

[porterross]

:sorry:

I didn't explain it, I just posted the article from the Confession. ;)