John Hagee speaking at AIPAC Conference March 11, 2007

[HaNotsri]

Three parts in the order below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRxmqOn7x4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7p7o4f4Asg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt5Urh7Ctzw

[plmarquette]

Is it not a good thing ?
Movie " One Night with the King - Esther / Purim "
To be edified , comforted , and noticed in a good light , after all the years of indifference and discrimination ?

[ContentInHim]

HaNotSri - can you give a synopsis. I couldn't stand watching John and reading the hateful anti-semitic comments to the video. :(

UGH on One Night with the King! What a boring movie. The real story is so much more than what TBN showed. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Crouch family was born again in truth? :)

[HaNotsri]

You should watch and listen. He just talked about how as Christians we're here to stand by Israel in these days

[Dvorah27]

I might watch this. I have to gear myself up since I just can't stand the guy. I know he's loved by God & all, but gosh he grates on my last nerve.

[HaNotsri]

Yeah, he's a little much sometimes.

The one thing I didn't like about what he said is he kept referring to "Christians" (as in all Christians) support Israel. I think it's inappropriate, because a lot of Christians (even evangelicals) do not support Israel and do not feel the State of Israel is prophetic. Especially most Reformists and Covenant theologians. Not too mention our Catholic, Orthodox, and other more traditional church brothers.

I think he should have said Christians Zionists support Israel or something to that effect.

[SGM4HIM]

Give John Hagee a break. A lot of people also found John the Baptist grating , etc. Listen to the 8 minute video if you can't stand watching him. Read "Jerusalem Countdown". He's very pro Israel and can reach many more people than all the MJ rabbis combined.

[HaNotsri]

SGM4HIM,

I hope that wasn't directed at me. I like John Hagee and I think he has garnered a lot of flack from people misinterpreting his views (like he's a "Dual-Covenant" theologian and all that junk). I really liked this video.

I am acquaintences with the Wisconsin director of Hagee's Christians United for Israel and we'll be having our Night to Honor Israel in May

[insaneinthebrain]

Yeah, he's a little much sometimes.

The one thing I didn't like about what he said is he kept referring to "Christians" (as in all Christians) support Israel. I think it's inappropriate, because a lot of Christians (even evangelicals) do not support Israel and do not feel the State of Israel is prophetic. Especially most Reformists and Covenant theologians. Not too mention our Catholic, Orthodox, and other more traditional church brothers.

I think he should have said Christians Zionists support Israel or something to that effect.
If you want to break it down into the various groups and go worldwide, then you are correct. However, I've been reading Joel Rosenberg's book Epicenter, and Rosenberg mentions a survey he commissioned a few years ago that actually showed a large number of American Christians see Israel's rebirth as fulfillment of prophecy and a couple of other surprisingly pro-Zionist lines of thought.

[HaNotsri]

Maybe I'll start a poll on GT of those who think the re-establishment of Israel in their land is prophetic

[insaneinthebrain]

Maybe I'll start a poll on GT of those who think the re-establishment of Israel in their land is prophetic
Well, if you're talking about CF, yeah, that result would be quite depressing. However, I'm fully convinced that "internet Christianity" isn't an accurate sampling of real life.

[SGM4HIM]

SGM4HIM,

I hope that wasn't directed at me. I like John Hagee and I think he has garnered a lot of flack from people misinterpreting his views (like he's a "Dual-Covenant" theologian and all that junk). I really liked this video.

I am acquaintences with the Wisconsin director of Hagee's Christians United for Israel and we'll be having our Night to Honor Israel in May
No, I was not referring to you. You indicated you had invested a few minutes to hear him out.

[Tishri1]

Well, if you're talking about CF, yeah, that result would be quite depressing. However, I'm fully convinced that "internet Christianity" isn't an accurate sampling of real life.yeh we are much nicer looking than this in real life:P

*Tish starts a prayer chain for HaNotsri as he opens a thread in GT:pray:"ABBA protect our dear brother as he heads for the front lines"^_^JK


put a link in here too so we can see the results:thumbsup:

[ContentInHim]

:eek: I just re-read my post above and it sounds like I can't stand John - I love John Hagee!!!!! As a baby believer, I learned a lot from him. I'll never ever forget him giving his "one more time around the mountain" message! :D He's terrific.

That said, yep - he should have differentiated between zionist Christians and most other Christians.

[Kalanit]

LOL!!! I just listened to the first link- with lively commentary from some Jewish lady in the background.... :D^_^ That was great! hahahaha

[HaNotsri]

I know isn't that great Kalanit. Btw I opened the poll in GT and it's about 21 people believe Israel is prophetic and 15 don't. You're right Christian Forums is depressing :) lol j/k

[stone]

WooHoo!

Go John Hagee!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[bluemarkus]

now am i getting this right, do you guys like the speech ?
what about the lady in the background yelling during the breaks ?

curious

Markus

[HaNotsri]

I loved the speech

[Kalanit]

The lady was in support of what Hagee was saying... probably glad someone out there was standing with the Jewish people. I thought the speech was great overall... and the lady was hilarious! :)

[dvd_holc]

I loved the speechWhy do you love the speech? In what way does this speech glorify the cross bearing Christ who loved those who killed Him and others...and taught His disciples to love (do no harm) to those who harm you?

[bluemarkus]

hello everyone...

wow, to be honest, I just stumbled over this thread,
but I would not have thought that so many messianics would approve of the hagee speech. I did not like it at all ! and the woman yelling in the back was even worse, IMHO.

I doubt that John Hagee has a son in the military...

Markus

[stone]

Why do you love the speech? In what way does this speech glorify the cross bearing Christ who loved those who killed Him and others...and taught His disciples to love (do no harm) to those who harm you?


what were those guys taught that crashed planes into our buildings? Do you think they would hesitate to attack us again? Would you preffer for us to stand by and do nothing?


Hagee says torah = truth, and says some good things about Israel and the jews. Probably a bit to much for those replacement theology advocates to bear.

[dvd_holc]

what were those guys taught that crashed planes into our buildings? Do you think they would hesitate to attack us again? Would you preffer for us to stand by and do nothing?


Hagee says torah = truth, and says some good things about Israel and the jews. Probably a bit to much for those replacement theology advocates to bear.Does Torah say love those who hate you? Does Torah say bless those who curse you? Does Torah say give food and drink to those who are your enemy? Does Torah say love does no harm? Was Jesus a Zealot?

[stone]

Does Torah say love those who hate you? Does Torah say bless those who curse you? Does Torah say give food and drink to those who are your enemy? Does Torah say love does no harm? Was Jesus a Zealot?


what does love have to do with war?

[dvd_holc]

what does love have to do with war?:( :cry:

[stone]

Mark 13:5-13 5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet. 8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows. 9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. 10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. 11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. 12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

[dvd_holc]

Mark 13:5-13 5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet. 8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows. 9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. 10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. 11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. 12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Do you envisage God in Heaven cheering on war and violence saying now at least finally I will finish off this age or do you envisage God crying deep tears and wailing at the birth pangs of creation? Which heaven realm do you reflect one that has a gun ready to kill or one that celebrates because of the merciful sacrifice? Which God image are you reflecting wrath or mercy? The reproaches of those who reproached you fell on Him, so that you can hold the reproaches of others upon them?

[Kalanit]

Well, I picture G-d saying "Those destine to death- to death, and those to life- to life."

Any form of chaos and corruption grieves the heart of haShem- but He is also a jealous G-d ... one who does not deal lightly with those who tread on His chosen ones.

In Noah's day, G-d was grieved, yet, he sent the waters to destroy the wicked.

The G-d who sends wrath also send mercy. It's the SAME G-d.

Yeshua was Zealous for His people. That same Yeshua will come back and completely wipe out the enemies of Israel in physical battle.

I have a feeling your Jesus and my Yeshua don't quite gell.

[stone]

the painted picture of Y-shua may not be what some see, of course i have no idea what will be seen, at least not yet, but

I will point out that Y-shua cursed a tree

also often rebuked his apostles often

he said things like, how often must i suffer thee

and things like that, you get the picture

war is an unpleasant reality

the enemy prays that we turn the other cheek so they can cut off our heads

[stone]

david,

i don't like talking about those things,

There is only one g-d, blessed be the l-rd our father.


NOW LETS GET THIS BACK ON TOPIC BEFORE I HAVE TO REPORT MYSELF.

[dvd_holc]

david,

i don't like talking about those things,

There is only one g-d, blessed be the l-rd our father.


NOW LETS GET THIS BACK ON TOPIC BEFORE I HAVE TO REPORT MYSELF.:wave: ok...

[bluemarkus]

wow ! there´s emotions here !

[stone]

bumping...

:clap:

[Bethshaya]

This Christian Suports, loves, gives and spreads the word about Israel! This Christian understands her Savior fulfilled OT prophecy through Hebrew culture. To not attempt to understand that culture leaves so much richness out of the story. The end is still the same for me, I am saved, but I liken it to reading the Cliff Notes, rather than reading the book. I would miss so much of the richness of the background, the symbolism and how it relates on so many levels to me today. It is basic to understand why and how of Jesus, but to go deeper, we can understand all of the whys through the Hebrew culture and history.

For to us, the Old Testament is Christ concealed, and the New Testament is Christ revealed. To understand our Hebrew roots is to understand our present and our future. To understand the Hebrew culture allows me to see scripture more clearly

Genesis 12:3 "And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee; and in thee shall all nations of the earth be blessed." Point: God has promised to bless the man or nation that blesses the Chosen People. History has proven beyond reasonable doubt that the nations that have blessed the Jewish people have had the blessing of God; the nations that have cursed the Jewish people have experienced the curse of God.

While some Christians try to deny the connection between Jesus of Nazareth and the Jews of the world, Jesus never denied his Jewishness. He was born Jewish, He was circumcised on the eighth day in keeping with Jewish tradition, He had his Bar Mitzvah on his 13th birthday, He kept the law of Moses, He wore the Prayer Shawl Moses commanded all Jewish men to wear, He died on a cross with an inscription over His head, "King of the Jews!"

I support Israel because all other nations were created by an act of men, but Israel was created by an act of God! The Royal Land Grant that was given to Abraham and his seed through Isaac and Jacob with an everlasting and unconditional covenant. (Genesis 12:1-3, 13:14-18, 15:1-21, 17:4-8, 22:15-18, 26:1-5 and Psalm 89:28-37.) My supoort has nothing to do with my salvation. It has to do with the love I was commanded to give by God himself.

[Bethshaya]

Does Torah say love those who hate you? Does Torah say bless those who curse you? Does Torah say give food and drink to those who are your enemy? Does Torah say love does no harm? Was Jesus a Zealot?

Why...yes it does!

"You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against any of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD."
Leviticus 19:18 (NRS)

The "Golden Rule" is not an idea that began with Christianity. It was a fundamental part of the Torah long before Jesus. It is a common-sense application of the Torah commandment to love your neighbor as yourself. Again, Jesus came to reveal what was concealed to the average man at that time and he reveals it to us today, daily.

Jewish law includes within it a blueprint for a just and ethical society, where no one takes from another or harms another or takes advantage of another, but everyone gives to one another and helps one another and protects one another. Again, these are not merely high ideals; the means for fulfilling these ideals are spelled out in the 613 commandments, which are to be put into practice in the real world, not just thought about.

Everyone knows that the Ten Commandments command us not to murder. The full scope of Jewish law goes much farther in requiring us to protect our fellow man. They are commanded not to leave a condition that may cause harm, to construct their homes in ways that will prevent people from being harmed, and to help a person whose life is in danger. These commandments regarding the preservation of life are so important in Judaism that they override all of the ritual observances that people think are the most important part of Judaism.