Elopement?

[newleaf]

Do you support couples eloping, to get married?

[New_Wineskin]

Absolutely !

[LittleladyinChrist]

I dont see anything wrong with it. I would hope it isnt a way of just doing what we feel like doing and not waiting on the Lord. But we are each accountable for ourselfs.

[talitha]

I agree with the Littlelady. My hubby and I eloped, and I regret it. I am pretty sure we got ahead of ourselves there. I will probably always be sorry, and sad that we didn't get a wedding. However, I don't think there's anything wrong with eloping - it can be a God-thing......

blessings
tal

[HeyHomie]

I don't see any problem with it.

[DiscipleDave]

Do you support couples eloping, to get married?

If you have to sneak around to get married, then there is already something wrong with the situation.

i am not saying there are not good reasons to elope, only saying that many people elope, because certain people do not approve of the marriage, the question then is, why ? Why do they not approve, can it not be resolved.

Why must they sneak off and get married, to me this just is not a good start for a marriage.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
^i^

[whateveristrue]

Many people elope because they don't want to wait 6 months to get married, nor do they have enough money to plan a wedding.

There's nothing wrong with it, as long as their heart is in the right place.

[GraceLikeRainFallsDown]

I do not see anything wrong with it.

[Jessica Lauren]

If they do it for the "right" reasons... hey knock yourself out! ;)

[TieDye]

My husband and I kind of eloped . . . I say kind of because people were aware that we were going to do it, and it wasn't just some, "SURPRISE! WE'RE MARRIED!" thing.

We eloped for the following reasons:

-My parents are both dead and I am not close with most of the rest of my family
-Jordan's family would not be able to travel close to mine for a wedding, mine would not have been able to travel close to his
-Neither of us wanted to spend a lot of money on the wedding; we opted instead to spend the money on the honeymoon
-We both felt sort of like we'd just be paraded around for other people to look at
-Our relationship has always been me, Jordan, and God. We don't like involving lots of people and making it a big show.
-The ceremony itself meant much less to us than the spiritual commitment.
-Getting married, just the two of us, my maid of honor, the pastor, and God, didn't make our marriage worth any less or our commitment any less serious.

[JTLauder]

The only problem I see with elopement is that it's often done on impulse, like that drive-through marriage chapel in Las Vegas.
Marriage should be considered seriously. The prolonged waiting period gives you time to plan your lives together and that you're not rushing into something out of only pure passion.

[jenneefar]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with elopement.

If a man and a woman wish to marry in privacy, then I believe that they should be allowed without judgement.

[Cris413]

Do you support couples eloping, to get married?

I would not "support" a couple to elope. Though I do not see anything wrong with it I do see more right with the process of marriage.

I believe good bible-based pre-marital counselling is a MUST. This helps you seek the Lord in your decision to marry. It helps you set the foundation of your marriage on Him. It also helps you address marital issues before you actually start having them...giving you a better foundation on which to handle them properly according to the Word.

Preparation for the wedding (big or small) helps you with the preparation for the marriage. You can learn a lot about each other in the way you work as a team to plan the wedding.

The wedding itself is a public statement of not only your love for each other but also your love for God. Vows taken before God in the presence of friends and family..."We love each other. We love God and we vow to live our lives together according to His good will and purpose for His glory." Powerful proclamation!

Our wedding was very small, in our living room with only my husband's family as my family is no longer living. Not only were our vows to each other precious but I was thankful for his families witness to our vows that God is the foundation of our union.

Even the invitations to the small reception announced not only our commitment to each other but also our committing our marriage to God.

The Pastor mentioned how much he loves wedding ceremonies because he has the opportunity to share God's word with people who may not otherwise hear it.

Marriage is a sacred and holy union. Not to be entered into lightly on the spur of the moment. I feel there is a blessing in sharing your vows with your friends and family as witness..be it a few or many.

Marriage is heavily under attack (as mentioned in other threads) The divorce rate for believers is right up there with the unsaved.

Believer's going into marriage MUST understand divorce is not an option so any preparation that gives your marriage a stronger foundation on the Lord is time well spent to me.

I'm not saying if you elope your marriage is doomed. I'm saying I do support the preparation, sharing your vows and committing your marriage to God before witnesses is beneficial.

God bless

[SWigton87]

My mindset may simply be traditional here, but I would not marry a woman without the blessing of her father. It only seems fair, since she is in fact his flesh and would soon become one with my flesh.

For the same reason, I would expect the same of a young man who would wish to marry my (theoretical) daughter.

[Cris413]

My mindset may simply be traditional here, but I would not marry a woman without the blessing of her father. It only seems fair, since she is in fact his flesh and would soon become one with my flesh.

For the same reason, I would expect the same of a young man who would wish to marry my (theoretical) daughter.
God bless your heart young man. I think your traditional approach is WONDERFUL!

[BustedFlat]

Many people elope because they don't want to wait 6 months to get married, nor do they have enough money to plan a wedding.

There's nothing wrong with it, as long as their heart is in the right place.

Words mean things:
From Merriam-Webster, Incorporated elope (http://www.m-w.com/):
Main Entry: elope
Pronunciation: i-'lOp
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): eloped; elop·ing
Etymology: Anglo-French aloper, esloper to abduct, run away
1 : to slip away : ESCAPE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/escape) <might have mistaken him for...some scarecrow eloped from a cornfield -- Washington Irving>
2 a : to run away from one's husband with a lover b : to run away secretly with the intention of getting married usually without parental consent
So you can not by scripture support eloping, not 2b and certinaly not 2a

If their hearts were in the right place they would not need to run away secretly.

Money is not a good reason to run away to get married. I was married by my pastor in my own home with my family as my wittinesses. My pastor did not charge us for his services, nor for the premarital counsellings. We did make a gift to the church, but that was left to God and ourselves to determine. We did have to buy the material we used in the premarital sessions.
The time frame was set by all parties, having to do with the availability of the people to get from where they were to where we needed them to be. We did it within a three month period, but could have done it with a week or two if it was the desire. The fact we had been together for an extended time may have played some in Pastors willingness to go at our pace, but I think it had more to do with our comment to do it Gods way.
If your are getting married today, just on a whim of your own flesh, then I think you have some greater needs of your church and pastor. On the other hand if you are just getting a church marriage to conform to what you think you should do, you have some of those same problems of the flesh.
A wedding should be the celebration of a gift of God to us as humans, not as some sort of flash and dazzle to impress the people. If you want a quiet ceremony that is attended by 2 friends ... or 2 strangers and then you go off on your merry way, fine, but make the commitment to have it centered around God, for his glory. I have no problem with a small quiet wedding, or with a large one for that matter, as long as the center is God and His Word.

In Jesus

BustedFlat

[JeanR]

My husband and I talked briefly about eloping, but opted for a small wedding instead. We just didn't want all the hoopla of a big wedding, just wanted something small and personal. We chose not to elope because we knew it would hurt our parents feelings.

We had a very short engagement because we knew the longer the engagement, the bigger the wedding would become. We were only engaged for 2 months and had a very beautiful, intimate wedding with our parents and siblings present.

Now I am on the other side, with our daughter having married, I knew that not eloping was the best thing we could have decided. To watch our beautiful daughter exchange her vows with her loving, godly husband was a precious thing to behold. And, now that my husband has entered the Lord's presence, it has become even more precious. My dear husband was the father of the bride!

[PaladinGirl]

I see nothing wrong with it.

[TieDye]

My mindset may simply be traditional here, but I would not marry a woman without the blessing of her father. It only seems fair, since she is in fact his flesh and would soon become one with my flesh.

For the same reason, I would expect the same of a young man who would wish to marry my (theoretical) daughter.
What if her dad was dead?

My dad gave Jordan his permission on his deathbed. If we had gotten there 2 hours later, Jordan would not have been able to ask.

Things don't always work out the way you plan them.

In my situation, it could not have been done without hurting one family or the other and both families fully supported us doing a "destination wedding" together. They just wanted lots of photos and to see us after we got back.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[Nadiine]

Eloping is fine - but I think other people's feelings should be taken into consideration too.
I don't think eloping isn't for everyone, but it's a good alternative if you just don't want to spend $$thousands$$ for just one day.

[SWigton87]

What if her dad was dead?

My dad gave Jordan his permission on his deathbed. If we had gotten there 2 hours later, Jordan would not have been able to ask.

Things don't always work out the way you plan them.

In my situation, it could not have been done without hurting one family or the other and both families fully supported us doing a "destination wedding" together. They just wanted lots of photos and to see us after we got back.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
I suppose that wasn't really eloping then, was it?

If the father is dead, head for the next in command (mother... etc.) If there are no other living relatives elder to the bride then there is noone to ask permission from.

I do realize that planning a wedding is complex and stressful, even for the families of the bride and groom. I do not have a problem with a private wedding, granted all parties are informed.

[TieDye]

I suppose that wasn't really eloping then, was it?

If the father is dead, head for the next in command (mother... etc.) If there are no other living relatives elder to the bride then there is noone to ask permission from.

I do realize that planning a wedding is complex and stressful, even for the families of the bride and groom. I do not have a problem with a private wedding, granted all parties are informed.

In a way, no. In a way, yes. They knew we were going to do it, but nobody (including us) knew when until about 3 weeks beforehand, and we let them all know about 2 weeks ahead when it REALLY was going to be (ish) and then weren't exactly sure on a date til we got there so nobody knew 100% til after it was said and done. :P

And my mom was dead too, before my dad. So nobody to ask. It's not that uncommon to have nobody to ask permission of. I guess if my dad had died before he could ask, he could have asked my dog. ^_^

[wildthing]

I see no problem with it and I would do it

[Oracles]

Do you support couples eloping, to get married?
I'm with DiscipleDave on this one. Let me tell you a little story to demonstrate why:

My wife's sister has 3 sons that are now all of college age. They all understood that thier parents wanted to see them complete thier college education before branching off into marriage. The youngest one decided that he didn't want to wait and ran off with a young lady that he hardly knew against his parents better judgement.

The outcome? The marriage lasted roughly 6 months. He now has a child without a functional family. He works at menial jobs to make ends meet and wasted a good oppurtunity to get a better education subsidized by his parents as a result of going against thier wishes and doing it behind thier backs.

His other brothers who decided to wait have now completed thier education, have great jobs, and one of them married with his parents, and his entire families support and blessings. Which way sounds better to you? : )

[BustedFlat]

I see no problem with it and I would do it
Exd 20:12 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Exd&chapter=20&verse=12&version=kjv#12)¶Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Deu 5:16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Deu&chapter=5&verse=16&version=kjv#16)¶Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.


Pro 19:26 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=19&verse=26&version=kjv#26)He that wasteth [his] father, [and] chaseth away [his] mother, [is] a son that causeth shame, and bringeth reproach. 27 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=19&verse=27&version=kjv#27)Cease, my son, to hear the instruction [that causeth] to err from the words of knowledge.

Pro 28:24 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=28&verse=24&version=kjv#24)Whoso robbeth his father or his mother, and saith, [It is] no transgression; the same [is] the companion of a destroyer. 25 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=28&verse=25&version=kjv#25)He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat. 26 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=28&verse=26&version=kjv#26)He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.



Pro 30:11 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=30&verse=11&version=kjv#11)[There is] a generation [that] curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother. 12 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=30&verse=12&version=kjv#12)[There is] a generation [that are] pure in their own eyes, and [yet] is not washed from their filthiness. 13 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=30&verse=13&version=kjv#13)[There is] a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up. 14 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=30&verse=14&version=kjv#14)[There is] a generation, whose teeth [are as] swords, and their jaw teeth [as] knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from [among] men.



Pro 30:17 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=30&verse=17&version=kjv#17)The eye [that] mocketh at [his] father, and despiseth to obey [his] mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.






Still think it is OK?




In Jesus


BustedFlat

[TieDye]

I'm with DiscipleDave on this one. Let me tell you a little story to demonstrate why:

My wife's sister has 3 sons that are now all of college age. They all understood that thier parents wanted to see them complete thier college education before branching off into marriage. The youngest one decided that he didn't want to wait and ran off with a young lady that he hardly knew against his parents better judgement.

The outcome? The marriage lasted roughly 6 months. He now has a child without a functional family. He works at menial jobs to make ends meet and wasted a good oppurtunity to get a better education subsidized by his parents as a result of going against thier wishes and doing it behind thier backs.

His other brothers who decided to wait have now completed thier education, have great jobs, and one of them married with his parents, and his entire families support and blessings. Which way sounds better to you? : )
I hardly think that example holds true for all people who do not have a large, traditional wedding, or people whose parents aren't present for the wedding.

I understand what people are saying - getting your parents' blessing is important. But if the parents approve and condone you having a non-traditional wedding, such as a destination wedding, even though they can't attend, I seriously don't see what's so horrible about it.

Not to mention, traditional weddings are getting unbelieveably pricy and regardless of who is paying, that money could be better spent . . . in the gift of a downpayment on a house, or a trip, or donations to charities in the name of the bride/groom.

[wildthing]

Exd 20:12 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Exd&chapter=20&verse=12&version=kjv#12)¶Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Deu 5:16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Deu&chapter=5&verse=16&version=kjv#16)¶Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.


Pro 19:26 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=19&verse=26&version=kjv#26)He that wasteth [his] father, [and] chaseth away [his] mother, [is] a son that causeth shame, and bringeth reproach. 27 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=19&verse=27&version=kjv#27)Cease, my son, to hear the instruction [that causeth] to err from the words of knowledge.

Pro 28:24 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=28&verse=24&version=kjv#24)Whoso robbeth his father or his mother, and saith, [It is] no transgression; the same [is] the companion of a destroyer. 25 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=28&verse=25&version=kjv#25)He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat. 26 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=28&verse=26&version=kjv#26)He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.



Pro 30:11 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=30&verse=11&version=kjv#11)[There is] a generation [that] curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother. 12 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=30&verse=12&version=kjv#12)[There is] a generation [that are] pure in their own eyes, and [yet] is not washed from their filthiness. 13 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=30&verse=13&version=kjv#13)[There is] a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up. 14 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=30&verse=14&version=kjv#14)[There is] a generation, whose teeth [are as] swords, and their jaw teeth [as] knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from [among] men.



Pro 30:17 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Pro&chapter=30&verse=17&version=kjv#17)The eye [that] mocketh at [his] father, and despiseth to obey [his] mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.






Still think it is OK?




In Jesus


BustedFlat

I don't think it dishonour my father and mother when I have been encourage to do this very action if the gal and her family is agreeable to it . I work as a wedding Photographer and today know the cost of a weddings. Today in "christian" marriages have only 50% chance of lasting. Wheather you make your vows before a Minister or befor a JP, they are still vows before God. Do tell was not the parents of Jesus secretly married?

As far as saying that someone marriage fails because some one eloped is just plain wrong. the fella that is supporting the child made a wrong decision when he 1st married the gal he let his "drive" do his thinking for him instead of his brain. No matter if it was in front of the church or in front of a JP the decision was just wrongfor him to make. Eloping had little to do with outcome. I'm not say that getting console from a minster is wrong, fact is I think it's good. I'm say that we have liberty in this matter...

So yeah it's ok.....

[BustedFlat]

I don't think it dishonour my father and mother when I have been encourage to do this very action if the gal and her family is agreeable to it . I work as a wedding Photographer and today know the cost of a weddings. Today in "christian" marriages have only 50% chance of lasting. Wheather you make your vows before a Minister or befor a JP, they are still vows before God. Do tell was not the parents of Jesus secretly married?

As far as saying that someone marriage fails because some one eloped is just plain wrong. the fella that is supporting the child made a wrong decision when he 1st married the gal he let his "drive" do his thinking for him instead of his brain. No matter if it was in front of the church or in front of a JP the decision was just wrongfor him to make. Eloping had little to do with outcome. I'm not say that getting console from a minster is wrong, fact is I think it's good. I'm say that we have liberty in this matter...

So yeah it's ok.....
That would be a small wedding not elopement. See the dictionary definition. Words mean thing. Marriages fail when we make our own decisions, without God's guidance.

God Bless you.

BustedFlat

[BustedFlat]

Gen 3:1 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Gen&chapter=3&verse=1&version=kjv#1)¶Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?2 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Gen&chapter=3&verse=2&version=kjv#2)And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:3 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Gen&chapter=3&verse=3&version=kjv#3)But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.4 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Gen&chapter=3&verse=4&version=kjv#4)And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:


Changing the meaning of words is literally the oldest trick in the book. The prince of light has made every use of that tactic to trip us up, right from the start of time. When we start to use words that have a different meaning we give a pass to those that do not understand that we are not using that word in the manner in which it was intended. This is just another attempt by the dark one to get us to turn our backs on the Word of God.


In Jesus


BustedFlat

[jsimms615]

I would have if my wife had been willing to elope also, but instead we had to shell out huge amount of money for pictures and stuff we never look at.:scratch:

[BustedFlat]

If it were not such a reviling portrait of how far we will go to substitute our will for Gods will this post and the replies there in would be funny. Every one equates a wedding with huge unneeded expenses and hassles, and nobody talks about Ephesians 5:21-33


Eph 5:21 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=21&version=kjv#21)Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. 22 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=22&version=kjv#22)¶Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord 23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=23&version=kjv#23)For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=24&version=kjv#24)Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing. 25 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=25&version=kjv#25)Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=26&version=kjv#26)That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=27&version=kjv#27)That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=28&version=kjv#28)So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=29&version=kjv#29)For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=30&version=kjv#30)For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=31&version=kjv#31)For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=32&version=kjv#32)This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church 33 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=33&version=kjv#33)Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife [see] that she reverence [her] husband.

Everyone is looking at marriage as a legal, business contract and totally ignoring Gods plan ...

32 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=32&version=kjv#32)This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church Is that the legacy that you would have of your exchanging of vows?

It cost you or someone you love a pile of cash?

There is no need to have a huge wedding, or a church wedding. As I talked about earlier my wedding was a total of 8 people and 3 dogs, including the pastor and photographer, in my family room. I have several of those photos on the walls of my office.
If your pastor is not willing to work with you on your wedding then I suggest you look for spiritual leadership elsewhere.

I strongly urge you to get your wife/husband and sit down and watch or listen to Building A Godly Marriage (http://www.calvaryftl.org/AWMedia/Resources.cfm?fuseaction=archive.TopicalResourcesDetail&Series_ID=15) By Pastor Bob Coy. You can buy the package, or you can listen/watch on RealPlayer right on your computer for free. It is an 8 part series that covers all aspects of marriage and is excellent for anyone that is, was, or would like to be married or stay that way.

[wildthing]

That would be a small wedding not elopement. See the dictionary definition. Words mean thing. Marriages fail when we make our own decisions, without God's guidance.

God Bless you.

BustedFlat

Mathew 2:18-20 "...When his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19) Then Josephher husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily, 20) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, say, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary." In the 23th verse we read that Joseph did as he was told.

We could see that it might of been a small wedding or it could be elopment. But no where is it state in the Bible what type of wedding it was. (I didn't need to see a dictnary I went to the source.)This is Liberty and to argue over what type a wedding that Mary and Joseph had is not essential. Stop Majoring on the minors. Major on the Majors. This my friend is a minor, wheather you marry with a JP or in front of the church it dosen't matter. What does matter is what you follow the advice that Pual gave in Eph. we real have no clue on the types of marriage that these people had they could of married at a church, or eloped, or even shacked up. doesn't matter what dose matter is that they listen to what Paul said and had a change of heart. There is nowhere that I stated that we should in this thread that we should not seek God in this matter. All that I did state was that the fella had done was let what was below his waist do his thinking, his drive. Our drive will always do us wrong.

[BustedFlat]

Mathew 2:18-20 "...When his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19) Then Josephher husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily, 20) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, say, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary." In the 23th verse we read that Joseph did as he was told.

We could see that it might of been a small wedding or it could be elopment. But no where is it state in the Bible what type of wedding it was. (I didn't need to see a dictnary I went to the source.)This is Liberty and to argue over what type a wedding that Mary and Joseph had is not essential. Stop Majoring on the minors. Major on the Majors. This my friend is a minor, wheather you marry with a JP or in front of the church it dosen't matter. What does matter is what you follow the advice that Pual gave in Eph. we real have no clue on the types of marriage that these people had they could of married at a church, or eloped, or even shacked up. doesn't matter what dose matter is that they listen to what Paul said and had a change of heart. There is nowhere that I stated that we should in this thread that we should not seek God in this matter. All that I did state was that the fella had done was let what was below his waist do his thinking, his drive. Our drive will always do us wrong.


The very term elope. What does it mean?

[BustedFlat]

Mathew 2:18-20 "...When his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19) Then Josephher husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily, 20) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, say, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary." In the 23th verse we read that Joseph did as he was told.


And to make things clear:
Main Entry: es·pouse
Pronunciation: is-'pauz also -'paus
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): es·poused; es·pous·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French espuser, from Late Latin sponsare to betroth, from Latin sponsus betrothed -- more at SPOUSE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/spouse)
1 : MARRY (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/marry)
2 : to take up and support as a cause : become attached to




FYI ...They were already MARRIED.




In Jesus


BustedFlat

[The Princess Bride]

I'm indifferant. :)

[wildthing]

elope to go off and get married.
espousal engagement,betrothal betrothment, troth

KJV is doing a disservice in it's translating of the espouse. To be porply translated the word should be engage. 16th centuary words and the words today can have a different meaning. Thankfully I don't use this verision much for I speak not 16th centuary English.

[BustedFlat]

Mathew 2:18-20 "...When his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19) Then Josephher husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily, 20) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, say, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary." In the 23th verse we read that Joseph did as he was told.


elope to go off and get married.
espousal engagement,betrothal betrothment, troth

KJV is doing a disservice in it's translating of the espouse. To be porply translated the word should be engage. 16th centuary words and the words today can have a different meaning. Thankfully I don't use this verision much for I speak not 16th centuary English.




KJV (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=1&version=kjv) - Mat 1:18 -
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. King James Version 1611, 1769 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/versions.html#kjv)

NKJV (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=1&version=nkjv) - Mat 1:18 -
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson (http://www.blueletterbible.org/versions.html#nkjv)
NLT (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=1&version=nlt) - Mat 1:18 -
Now this is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant by the Holy Spirit. New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust (http://www.blueletterbible.org/versions.html#nlt)

NIV (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=1&version=niv) - Mat 1:18 -
This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy SpiritNew International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society (http://www.blueletterbible.org/versions.html#niv)

ESV (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=1&version=esv) - Mat 1:18 -
Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.
Footnote:
a Some manuscripts of the Christ
b That is, legally pledged to be married The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway Bibles (http://www.blueletterbible.org/versions.html#esv)




You quote the wrong chapter from the wrong translation.

I hope you put more prayer and effort into your life and your own marriage than you have in your responses to this thread.




In Jesus


BustedFlat

[wildthing]

Gee thanks for the correction it is much appreciated! I'm human after all and do make mistakes as you do. pledged, engaged whatever. The details of the wedding aren't listed, there not important. Whether they eloped or had a small wedding we won't know, it doesn't matter, we weren't invited. It just a detail that many are making a big deal of.

Only time will tell.

Still no matter what you say eloped marriage, church marriage it all the same thing. Vows are taken vows are given. The Bible only tells us how to live our lives with Christ as a center. There is not a line in ithe Bible that says elopment is bad or the a church wedding is good, their is no evidece in any of the books that give an outline as to what makes a good wedding Unless you take where Jesus turn the water into wine and parables found in Matt.22:11 and Matt 25. . The Bible allows us freedom to follow what every tradition you choose whether it's a church wedding or an enlopment. (Oh by the way marriages were arranged by families this dateing thing we go threw is a western invention). The Bible does not mandate that a certian form is followed in the wedding tradition, as shown in your own wedding, really 3 dogs you say? You do understand that dogs are not thought of to highly in the Bible. To this day a dog is not thought of highly in the Mid East. Till this time I would not mention it whatever you and your wife did at your wedding matters very little to me or to God

FYI they were engaged. Joesph was her fiance. In that culture the terms husband and fiance are interchangeable. The customs of that time was to wait a period of time (usually a year) between the engagement and the actual time that the bride took residence in her husband's house and physical union be consumated. Mary was found with child this would have lead to her death. Joesph choose not to make her a public example. Joesph decided to use the lax divorce laws and give Mary the writing of divorcement in private. To put her away means to divorce but not break the the engagement. but we know that in a dream Joesph was told by the angel of the lord to take Mary as his wife. We see in verse 24,25 Joesph ended the period of betrothal, engagement, by taking Mary to live in his home so that Jesus at his birth would be his legitimate son.