Joel Osteen

[Abel1337]

Yea he is pretty good. Definately, I would reccommend him

[Wade Smith]

You said a positive message would get no one saved.

Correct. A positive message doesn't get anyone saved. Read the synoptic Gospels.

Jesus first recorded words in his ministry is "REPENT! Believe the Gospel!"

The gospel is summed up in John 3:13-21, plus this one statement:

"Deny yourself and take up the Cross daily and follow Jesus."

or

"I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live. Yet not I that liveth, but Christ that liveth in me, and the life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me."


Joel Osteen teaches the exact opposite of "Jesus Christ and him Crucified."

Joel Osteen teaches, "You can do it. Believe in yourself."

Jesus taught, "No you can't(Jn. 15:5) Deny Yourself and take up the Cross and follow me."

Joel Osteen teaches, "Only God can judge the heart...I don't know if Christ is the only way."

Jesus taught, "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life...I am THE door...all who ever came before me are thieves and robbers..."

Joel Osteen rarely uses scripture.

Jesus, who was and is God, quoted from scripture all the time. A common response he had when someone asked him a question was, "What does the Scripture say?" And the bereans in the Book of Acts "searched the scriptures whether it was so..."

[kellyc]

i think joel osteen would fall under the 'name it and claim it' type of pastor. i have listened to him several times, and he is a good speaker, but if you really pay attention he is speaking against scripture by teaching that you are entitled to wealth, health, etc.

[fifi]

well if you see him on tv you will hear him talking about wealth, being a better you loveing yourself but never talking about sin, going to hell behind sin, repent. he was on larry king live one day and it was scary because larry king live asked him why dont you ever preach on sin and salvation and he really coud not give anything.

[eNathans]

My dad liked him. I think he has his purpose. Everyone's needs are different, Joel is good at just encouraging Christians who are down in life. I like listening to him sometimes.

[Nadiine]

My dad liked him. I think he has his purpose. Everyone's needs are different, Joel is good at just encouraging Christians who are down in life. I like listening to him sometimes.
ya, that's nearly ALL his purpose seems to be...

He has no other type of message or teaching information; no depth at all - just 'hang in there, you're payday will come in someday'

:( :|

[looking2cjesus]

Old or young Joel is just anothe New Age guy preaching the same New Age message with a little of Jesus thrown into the mix. The man knows nothing about the true word of God. He is like Normam Vicent Peele and Robert Schuller etc..

a bunch of crap that they will all be judged for.
God Bless
Randy

[Nadiine]

Old or young Joel is just anothe New Age guy preaching the same New Age message with a little of Jesus thrown into the mix. The man knows nothing about the true word of God. He is like Normam Vicent Peele and Robert Schuller etc..

a bunch of crap that they will all be judged for.
God Bless
Randy
:amen::amen::amen::amen::amen::amen::amen:
.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[ByWayofLight]

All you wicked and evil minded people repent for the Lord is at hand. Don't tear you brother and sister down, lift them up.

[Wade Smith]

Old or young Joel is just anothe New Age guy preaching the same New Age message with a little of Jesus thrown into the mix. The man knows nothing about the true word of God. He is like Normam Vicent Peele and Robert Schuller etc..

a bunch of crap that they will all be judged for.
God Bless
Randy
Amen.

[Wade Smith]

All you wicked and evil minded people repent for the Lord is at hand. Don't tear you brother and sister down, lift them up.

Joel Osteen isn't my "Brother".

He denies Jesus as the only way to Salvation and right relationship with God, and he preaches a doctrine of a false confession principle which is essentially witchcraft/sorcery.

[Nadiine]

All you wicked and evil minded people repent for the Lord is at hand. Don't tear you brother and sister down, lift them up.
uh huh..... demanding positive messages - nothing negative.

[ByWayofLight]

uh huh..... demanding positive messages - nothing negative.

Sister Nadine,

I say to you:

Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing. 1 Thes 5:11

:wave:

[Wade Smith]

Sister Nadine,

I say to you:

Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing. 1 Thes 5:11

:wave:
Titus 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

By definition, Joel Osteen is a heretic, because he is either ashamed of the gospel, or else does not actually believe it.

[ByWayofLight]

Titus 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

By definition, Joel Osteen is a heretic, because he is either ashamed of the gospel, or else does not actually believe it.

What do your words have to do with the verse I quoted? Do you believe we should not encourage one another?

You can call him whatever you wish but he is saved and will be in heaven with you someday like it or not.

[Wade Smith]

What do your words have to do with the verse I quoted? Do you believe we should not encourage one another?

You can call him whatever you wish but he is saved and will be in heaven with you someday like it or not.


He openly questions whether or not Jesus is the "only way".

By definition, that is heresy of the worst sort.

Believing that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God and the ONLY way to salvation IS the Gospel. Jesus said that he who comes up by any other way is a thief and a robber.

[brinny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUUy046iV0

[ByWayofLight]

Jesus is the only way. There is no question about that.

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6

Wade, If Joel is saying that which you say then I humbly apologize for any offense you had taken from me.

[brinny]

Jesus is the only way. There is no question about that.

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6

Wade, If Joel is saying that which you say then I humbly apologize for any offense you had taken from me.

Interview on 60 Minutes with Joel Osteen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv8FwssTGCg&feature=related

[Wade Smith]

At 2:20-2:40, Osteen making false promises to people about God's plan for their lives.

God NEVER promised you "Marked moment of blessing" of nearly any sort for any given place in your life. in fact, most of the believers in the Bible spent thier lives in poverty and oppression. Most of the prophets and apostles spent their lives being beaten and imprisoned and killed for preaching the Gospel.

Jesus even said, "In this world you SHALL have tribulation..."

In 3:20-3:50, Osteen basicly says he doesn't think its a good idea to rebuke sin, and "everyone already knows what they do wrong."

No they don't. That's why the OT law was written, and its whey God even had a sacrifice for "sins of ignorance". Both the old and new Testament teach that we are to rebuke our neighbor, and moreover, not doing so is the true hatred.

Leviticus 19:17
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

in 6:15, the interviewer refers to this as "Self Help", and clearly Osteen's message is one of "Self Help" via PMA(Positive Mental Attitude/confession).

The Bible teaches exactly the opposite. The Bible teaches that you cannot help yourself, and that all your righteousnesses are as filthy rags. That is, the best you can possiby do is sin...

The Bible teaches to DENY YOURSELF and take up the Cross, etc.


Thus the "Jesus" Osteen is preaching is not the Jesus of the Bible.

I don't know why these videos aren't working. the first is from earlier in this thread.

The second is found by searching for keywords, "Joel Osteen Exposed" on yahoo.

In the above video, even after Osteen first admits that the caller is right, he then back peddles into his "i don't know, not my place to say" stance.

On the one hand, he admits the caller is right, but on the other hand, he will not actually preach that nor take that stance in the interview, nor write it in his books.

Well, which is it? Make up your mind.

If a person believes something other than "Jesus Christ and Him Crucified", that person is going to hell.

I do not have to "judge the person's heart" to know that, because the Bible already tells us that.


Anyone can be saved if they REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.

But until they do so, they are not saved. It isn't a matter of "judging" someone, it is a matter of what the Bible says. No atheist is going to heaven. no muslim is going to heaven. No buddhist, or voodoo, or shintoist, or taoist, etc, none of them are saved UNLESS AND UNTIL they Repent and believe the Gospel. And if they DO believe the Gospel, then by definition they must no longer believe the false thing they used to believe.

[Nadiine]

:thumbsup:

[kellyc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUUy046iV0

brinny who is this guy paul washer? he's amazing.

[Cris413]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUUy046iV0


Yes...it seems Mr Osteen has forgotten....exactly WHY the Good News is SO GOOD!

[Nadiine]

what a great video - the contrast is alarming.

I'd critique the video if I could by saying that they just
selectively pulled out those soundbites on Joel Osteen
& purposely left out so many others, but I know his interviews
& sermons and that IS his only message.

Stark difference btwn feel good theology & the gospel.:thumbsup:

[Wade Smith]

brinny who is this guy paul washer? he's amazing.

He is a baptist missionary.

Doesn't mix words at all, preaches the Gospel like it really is, and thank God for that!

[ByWayofLight]

Paul's, Salt preaching does burn in the wounds.

[brinny]

Amen...and listening to his words convicted me in more ways than one...it was like a wake up call for me...thank God.

[Nadiine]

Paul's, Salt preaching does burn in the wounds.
Matthew 5:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=5&verse=13&version=50&context=verse)
[ Believers Are Salt and Light ] “You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned?
It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men.

[Wade Smith]

Amen...and listening to his words convicted me in more ways than one...it was like a wake up call for me...thank God.

If you like Paul Washer, I would suggest you would love Frank Bartleman (long deceased.)

go to Amazondotcom and search "Azusa Street". You can get the book for about $10 plus shipping, and I would suggest every Christian should read that book. If you can, get the oldest publication available.

Here is an excerpt from one of the book reviews on Amazon, from ten years ago...

The account by Frank Bartleman clearly shows the sacrifices that he and his family made because he was determined to have a deeper and richer relationship with God in his life and to share this personal experience with others that he came across. The reader can easily visualize from the descriptions given, the trials that Frank Bartleman and his family went through, and at the same time, the strength of their faith in God that grew through each trial they encountered. It only makes the Christian today question himself or herself as to whether they have given their complete self to God to truely serve Him.


http://www.amazon.com/Azusa-Street-Frank-Bartleman/dp/0883686384/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226335274&sr=1-1

[kellyc]

in what state is paul washer? thanks brinny, he's really good.

[fifi]

ya, that's nearly ALL his purpose seems to be...

He has no other type of message or teaching information; no depth at all - just 'hang in there, you're payday will come in someday'

:( :|


very true and that is the scary part because people in his church will never hear the other side of Gods word unless the read id on their own time.

[BratFace]

Ok, I just learned that I cannot post link or images until I have 50 posts. So, if you go to youtube and type in ed young and joel olsteen the first video is the one I wanted to share... If you know Joel Olsteen, you will find humor in it... :)
Our Pastor went down to Houston to visit with him and that is just a clip of them before a service ... lol they had fun

[Cris413]

Ok, I just learned that I cannot post link or images until I have 50 posts. So, if you go to youtube and type in ed young and joel olsteen the first video is the one I wanted to share... If you know Joel Olsteen, you will find humor in it... :)
Our Pastor went down to Houston to visit with him and that is just a clip of them before a service ... lol they had fun

I'm thinking your pastor is the son of Dr Ed Young, Senior Pastor of 2nd Baptist here in the Houston area...they sure look a lot alike.

I went to 2nd Baptist a couple times...pretty huge ministry. I always wondered what the Young Family's thoughts were on Joel Osteen.

It seems your pastor has an understanding of Osteen... does he support Osteen's look inside yourself, feel good about yourself motivational pep talks?

[Nadiine]

very true and that is the scary part because people in his church will never hear the other side of Gods word unless the read id on their own time.
What worries me more is how they feel when they do hear
the other side... from what I've seen, alot of people
who are programmed in all the warm fuzzies - self - "love" & prosperity stuff are not even accepting of it as reality.

There seems to be some rejection & denial of the harsher things
in these crowds. I don't know if that comes alot later after being
fed this type of message continually over time, or if it's even
prior to being fed this diet. ?

(Hi Cris!):hug:

[Nadiine]

Ok, I just learned that I cannot post link or images until I have 50 posts. So, if you go to youtube and type in ed young and joel olsteen the first video is the one I wanted to share... If you know Joel Olsteen, you will find humor in it... :)
Our Pastor went down to Houston to visit with him and that is just a clip of them before a service ... lol they had fun
welcome to CF
=)

[Cris413]

What worries me more is how they feel when they do hear
the other side... from what I've seen, alot of people
who are programmed in all the warm fuzzies - self - "love" & prosperity stuff are not even accepting of it as reality.

There seems to be some rejection & denial of the harsher things
in these crowds. I don't know if that comes alot later after being
fed this type of message continually over time, or if it's even
prior to being fed this diet. ?

(Hi Cris!):hug:

Hi Nadiine...:hug:

It seems they more than likely had willing ears for it going in...and is prolly why they stay and get real comfortable in it...and then reject anything contrary to it.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

[Nadiine]

Hi Nadiine...:hug:

It seems they more than likely had willing ears for it going in...and is prolly why they stay and get real comfortable in it...and then reject anything contrary to it.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

Well I admit that if I was standing at a huge buffet table & had my
choice of anything there, I'd most definitely grab the cheesecakes &
cookies before I reached for salad & vegies

:P ;)

:holy:

[BratFace]

I'm thinking your pastor is the son of Dr Ed Young, Senior Pastor of 2nd Baptist here in the Houston area...they sure look a lot alike.

I went to 2nd Baptist a couple times...pretty huge ministry. I always wondered what the Young Family's thoughts were on Joel Osteen.

It seems your pastor has an understanding of Osteen... does he support Osteen's look inside yourself, feel good about yourself motivational pep talks?

Yes, our pastor is the son of Ed Young Senior in Houston. I am not sure what Ed Jr's thoughts are on Joel Olsteen, I have never asked him. lol

I don't think I have heard Joel Olsteen but once on tv. :)

[BratFace]

welcome to CF
=)

Why Thank you! :) :)

[Cris413]

Yes, our pastor is the son of Ed Young Senior in Houston. I am not sure what Ed Jr's thoughts are on Joel Olsteen, I have never asked him. lol

I don't think I have heard Joel Olsteen but once on tv. :)

I thought so...they couldn't look any more alike...^_^ and with the same name...that would have been quite the Koinkydink.

...and welcome to CF...:)

[BratFace]

lol true that

Thanks for the warm welcome :) Glad to meet you *takes a bow*

[Cris413]

lol true that

Thanks for the warm welcome :) Glad to meet you *takes a bow*

You're quite welcome...nice to meet you too!