Our Lord Jesus the Christ

[mysterychristian]

Why do so many people just use the name Jesus?

The Name of Jesus Christ

John 14:12-14 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also: and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


In legal terms believers, "he that believeth on me", have been given a Power of Attorney to use the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Power of Attorney is the legal right to use the name of the person who has given you the power.

This power is limited only to the extent of the resources behind that name.

If the name of Jesus Christ has power, and believers have the legal right to use that name, then we have a Power of Attorney to utilize whatever resources he has available.
Two Gods:

When I was first learning God's Word (before I was really learning it) I had been told a couple things about God, the devil, and the Lord Jesus Christ that turned out to be accurate statements of truth from God's Word. Because what I was told was true, when I applied what I knew in real life situations it worked. This is what I had been told:

1. There are two gods: one evil (that disguises himself and calls himself god and causes all the evil in this world directly or indirectly) and one good. One god is the devil (the evil one); one God is the true God (the good one).


2. The true God can be identified as the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Knowing these two facts, when situations arose in which I wanted guidance from God, it was important to me that I call upon the right God.

I was very careful, perhaps to extreme, to always identify God as "the God who is the Father of Jesus Christ." Without much knowledge I was opperating the Power of Attorney given to believers by the Lord Jesus Christ and God blessed my prayers and responded to my needs with tremendous blessings and power.

The god of this world:
II Corinthians 4:3-4a But if our gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, ...
Luke 4:5-7 And the devil, taking him [Jesus Christ] up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

The God (and Father) of the Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

II Cortinthians 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

I Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The Name of Jesus Christ:

1. Inherited

Hebrews 1:4-5 Being made so much better than the angels, as he [Jesus Christ] hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

2. Given

Philippians 2:9-10 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, [Jesus Christ] and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

3. Earned or acquired

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, [Jesus Christ] after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;


Use of the Name of Jesus Christ

I Corinthians 1:2 - Believers are to call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I Corinthians 6:11 - Believers are sanctified [set apart] by the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I Corinthians 6:11 - Believers are justified by the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Mark 16:17 - Believers will cast out devils in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 16:18 - Believers do cast out devils in the name of Jesus Christ.
Mark 16:17 - Believers will speak in tongues in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 1:28 - Believers do get born again and speak in tongues in the name of Jesus Christ.
Mark 16:17 - Believers will heal others in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 3:6 - Believers do heal others in the name of Jesus Christ.

[JTLauder]

If you want to get technical about it, "Christ" is really a title, not a proper name. That's why Jesus is referred to "The Christ".

In the same way that "The President" is a title and not really a name. But because there was only one President (US) at a time, when the word is used, everyone knows who we're talking about. There is only one Christ, we all know that refers to Jesus of Nazareth.

And if you want to get really technical about it, why use "Jesus Christ" when that's only a translation of the actual name "Iesous Christos" (Couldn't figure out how to enter the original Greek characters here).

[mysterychristian]

If you want to get technical about it, "Christ" is really a title, not a proper name. That's why Jesus is referred to "The Christ".

In the same way that "The President" is a title and not really a name. But because there was only one President (US) at a time, when the word is used, everyone knows who we're talking about. There is only one Christ, we all know that refers to Jesus of Nazareth.

And if you want to get really technical about it, why use "Jesus Christ" when that's only a translation of the actual name "Iesous Christos" (Couldn't figure out how to enter the original Greek characters here).

WHY?

because the word says to use the name "Jesus Christ", so in order to obey God we should do what he says to do. Not what we want to do.

There is an example of using the name of Jesus in the word and they did not use his full name because they had not the authority to use it.

Using the name Jesus only, without any of his exalted titles is indicative of UNBELIEF and only the enemies of God and his word called him by the name of jesus.

This is the point I am tryingto show people. Study the word and you will see that even his disciples did not call him "jesus" they called him Master.

There is no Godly power in the name of "jesus" alone it is in the name of Jesus Christ that the lame are healed and the blind can see.....

many many christians lack the power manifested by the first century christians because they do not operate their sonship right to the full use of the name of Jesus Christ nor do they believe that they can operate and do have the same power that the first century believers did.

Using the name of Jesus Christ is paramount, and believing in that name, that it has all power and authority behind it. This is what brings about mighty miracles in life.

You can't have one without the other, you have to believe in what you are praying for or saying and that it will come to pass and it has to be in harmony with what is available from God, so you should know ahead of time before you pray if what you are praying or asking for is available according to the word.

Many do not, therefore they never get their prayers answered.

Also there are many posers who say they are Christians on this website who do not use the name of Jesus Christ because they cannot use his name fully because they dot have the authority to use it, you have to be a true christian a boran again believer with holy spirit on the inside in order to have a right to use this name, I think this is also one of the reasons people do not use the name. Look in the word all those against the Christ and God and His word never used the name of Jesus Christ, they, they were anti-Christ, against Christ so they used only the name jesus alone. It is eye opening but look it up, it's amazing once you begin to see the pattern in the word that the enemies of God and His son just said Jesus.

[Balance]

WHY? This is the point I am tryingto show people. Study the word and you will see that even his disciples did not call him "jesus" they called him Master.

There is no Godly power in the name of "jesus" alone it is in the name of Jesus Christ that the lame are healed and the blind can see.....
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Really?


Acts 17:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=3&version=9&context=verse)
Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Acts 17:2-4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=2&end_verse=4&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 17:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=7&version=9&context=verse)
Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus.
Acts 17:6-8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=6&end_verse=8&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 17:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=18&version=9&context=verse)
Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.
Acts 17:17-19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=17&end_verse=19&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 18:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&verse=5&version=9&context=verse)
And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.
Acts 18:4-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&verse=4&end_verse=6&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 18:28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&verse=28&version=9&context=verse)
For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.
Acts 18:27-28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&verse=27&end_verse=28&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=4&version=9&context=verse)
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:3-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=3&end_verse=5&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=5&version=9&context=verse)
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:4-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=4&end_verse=6&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=10&version=9&context=verse)
And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
Acts 19:9-11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=9&end_verse=11&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=13&version=9&context=verse)
Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the LORD Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Acts 19:12-14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=12&end_verse=14&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=15&version=9&context=verse)
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Acts 19:14-16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=14&end_verse=16&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=17&version=9&context=verse)
And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
Acts 19:16-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=16&end_verse=18&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)Too bad the Apostles didn't know that.

Acts 3:12And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
14But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. 16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

[plmarquette]

IXOYE "Ichthus- the fish , Jesus The Christ , Son of God , Savior "

The Monograms of Christ , Abbreviations
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10488a.htm

Christ , Messiah , the anointed one and his anointing -- Isaiah 61.1-3

http://catholic-resources.org/Art/Koch-ChristianSymbols.htm
http://www.jesuswalk.com/christian-symbols/images/monogram-of-christ384x389vatican.jpg

[New_Wineskin]

If you want to get technical about it, "Christ" is really a title, not a proper name. That's why Jesus is referred to "The Christ".

In the same way that "The President" is a title and not really a name. But because there was only one President (US) at a time, when the word is used, everyone knows who we're talking about. There is only one Christ, we all know that refers to Jesus of Nazareth.

And if you want to get really technical about it, why use "Jesus Christ" when that's only a translation of the actual name "Iesous Christos" (Couldn't figure out how to enter the original Greek characters here).


Absolutely . He is Jesus , *the* Christ or The Christ , Jesus . You are aslo correct that His real name isn't "Jesus" - His name sounds closer to and is actually related to "Joshua" .

[Ben12]

It has been said there are over two hundred different names for God; many of these were given to Jesus to show us something about His nature. People usually have one name; but God has many names/natures; but He is one. Tell that to a JW and you have an arguement on your hands.

NAME

A. Noun. onoma ^3686^ is used (I) in general of the "name" by which a person or thing is," "the title and dignity" of the Lord, as in <Eph. 1:21> and <Heb. 1:4>; (II) for all that a "name" implies, of authority, character, rank, majesty, power, excellence, etc., of everything that the "name" covers: (a) of the "Name" of God as expressing His attributes

What’s in a name?" A name is more than a moniker, more than a simple badge or means of identification, something by which we address people specifically and individually. In biblical usage there is much in a name! True, the names we give our children in this modern day usually have little or no significance. It has become the custom to give foolish names which do not mean anything, except a jingle of sounds. We often name our children after some favorite aunt, uncle, or grandparent, or choose a name because we like its sound or association. But in Bible times names were chosen with great care and were frequently given by prophetic utterance or under divine inspiration so that the names actually revealed the nature, character, attributes, and destiny of the person, and thus carried a message to all who spoke or used that name.

In a very real sense the "name" of a being is regarded as being a real part of the person. In a certain sense there can be no separation whatsoever between a man’s name and what he is as a person. In the scriptures the innermost being of a man is expressed in his name. That is why Esau declares of his conniving brother, "Is he not rightly named Jacob (supplanter)? For he has supplanted me these two times" (Gen. 27:36). After wresting with the angel of the Lord, however, Jacob underwent a change of attitude and alteration of character which was accompanied by a change of name. Having seen the "face" or presence of God he was no longer the same man that he had been before his encounter with the Lord. Since name and character are absolutely identified there had to be a change in Jacob’s appellation! The angel of the Lord, therefore, said, "Thy name shall no more be called Jacob, but Israel (Prince): for as a prince thou hast power with God and with men, and hast prevailed" (Gen. 32:28).

[mysterychristian]

Really?


Acts 17:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=3&version=9&context=verse)
Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Acts 17:2-4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=2&end_verse=4&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 17:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=7&version=9&context=verse)
Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus.
Acts 17:6-8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=6&end_verse=8&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 17:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=18&version=9&context=verse)
Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.
Acts 17:17-19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&verse=17&end_verse=19&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=17&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 18:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&verse=5&version=9&context=verse)
And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.
Acts 18:4-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&verse=4&end_verse=6&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 18:28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&verse=28&version=9&context=verse)
For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.
Acts 18:27-28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&verse=27&end_verse=28&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=18&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=4&version=9&context=verse)
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:3-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=3&end_verse=5&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=5&version=9&context=verse)
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:4-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=4&end_verse=6&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=10&version=9&context=verse)
And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
Acts 19:9-11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=9&end_verse=11&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=13&version=9&context=verse)
Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the LORD Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Acts 19:12-14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=12&end_verse=14&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=15&version=9&context=verse)
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Acts 19:14-16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=14&end_verse=16&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 19:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=17&version=9&context=verse)
And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
Acts 19:16-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&verse=16&end_verse=18&version=9&context=context) (in Context) Acts 19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=19&version=9&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)Too bad the Apostles didn't know that.

Acts 3:12And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
14But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. 16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
They used the name of Jesus Christ to heal not jesus, you need to read better and look at the accounts closer.

[Balance]

They used the name of Jesus Christ to heal not jesus, you need to read better and look at the accounts closer.

Do you really believe Father God is so anal that unless you use both, He will do nothing?

What a very strict uncarring god that would be.

[zerosaiyaman]

It's what is in the heart that is the important factor. Afterall, isn't it said that many will cry "Lord Lord" or come in His name, but He will tell them to depart from Him as He knows them not? The power doesn't belong to the language itself; the word itself doesn't hold the power. Saying so gets into Jewish mystisim, namely Kabballah. But, it's what's in the heart that determins everything it seems.

(nevertheless, how can we communicate what's in our hearts to eachother, but by words and deeds?)

[New_Wineskin]

Do you really believe Father God is so anal that unless you use both, He will do nothing?

What a very strict uncarring god that would be.

I was thinking along the same lines . It reminds me of witchcraft or pagan legalistic works to appease an angry god - if the incantation isn't said in the right order or precise way , the spell won't take .

[mysterychristian]

Do you really believe Father God is so anal that unless you use both, He will do nothing?

What a very strict uncarring god that would be.
Do you really believe that disobedience to the word is acceptable when you know what to do and just ignore it?

Accuracy and attention to detail is a very important principle in handling the word of God.

The problem with most people today is that they handle their check books with more care and accuracy and attention to detail than God's Holy Word!!!

Look in the old testament at how detailed and carefully they handled the ark and the temple and it's furnishings....

Do you think if God took the time to make His Word detailed that it would be wise to study to show your self approved unto God a workman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the Word of Truth?

Great respect and care and handling of the Word is required for those who handle and teach God's Word and lack of respect and disobedience to it are no excuse once you no what to do, sure if you do not know at first I am sure God may look over things, but once you know and just ignore then what is the point in Him telling us what to do if we just ignore it and do as we please?

Jesus Christ did not operate this way at all, he always did THE FATHERS WILL, no excuses even when he did not want to do it he CHANGED his mind and said NEVERTHELESS NOT MY WILL but YOUR WILL, and GOD'S WILL is HIS WORD. THE word of God is the Will of God.

Lets be a little more honest with our questions and think things through, you mean to tell me that if God told you to do something a certain way you would do it close and not exactly the way He said even though you knew the right way? That's not obedience that is stubburness.

Do you see the hypocrisy in that? I love you God BUT I will do it my way not your way.

My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge: Hosea 4:6

This knowledge is God's Word and it is available to know and do.

Any corp or boss in the world would look at what you said and say that they probably wouldn't want you as a employee if that is your attitude towards their directions and instructions....

[buck]

If I write this to you, this would be my words to you.
and if I worte it for every body then you would say this is Bucks words to us.
"Easy as pie"
Buck

[flyingsum0]

In my opinion all these concerns with titles and proper names are very human concerns... NOT Godly ones...humans care about titles because they make us feel more important...does our Lord really need a title to make Him important to us?

[mysterychristian]

In my opinion all these concerns with titles and proper names are very human concerns... NOT Godly ones...humans care about titles because they make us feel more important...does our Lord really need a title to make Him important to us?
Obedience to God's Word is very important to Him, and accuracy and attention to detail, the majority of Christians do not care about either of these things, or they say they do and argue with the Word and do what they decide to do instead of follow what God says to do.

If it was important enough for God to put it in His Word then it should be important to those who really want to love and obey God to pay close attention and to heed what He has to say.

If Words are used by God as a means to communicate and we ignore them and consider them not very important in the way He uses them, then what is the point of having the Word of God anyway, it becomes just a game and you can do whatever you want whenever you want and say that it it God's will, even though it contradicts what He has Written to us.

How simple and plain does God have to be in order to make people understand? God has no problem communicating to us, we just have a problem with obeying His Word, doing His will, and make excuses when we dont do it and say it is not that imporatant.

I believe that this is what goes on with most Christians today, "they honour me with their lips but their heart is far from me"! What a great verse of scripture and timely to our day and time with mainstream denominational Christianity.

[flyingsum0]

Sorry Brother I just dont buy it...when I pray I speak to the Lord as if he was sitting with me. I talk to him about what is in my heart and what is in my mind... proper names are not what I choose to dwell on when Im talking (praying) to the Lord.

But this dosent mean your way is wrong of course...if what you do makes you feel closer to the Lord then its a good thing and you should continue it...

[BustedFlat]

Sorry Brother I just dont buy it...when I pray I speak to the Lord as if he was sitting with me. I talk to him about what is in my heart and what is in my mind... proper names are not what I choose to dwell on when Im talking (praying) to the Lord.

But this dosent mean your way is wrong of course...if what you do makes you feel closer to the Lord then its a good thing and you should continue it...
Amen Bro!!!
:amen:

[colormebeautiful]

I don't mean to criticize or to offend you, but it sounds to me like you know a lot about God's will. Do you have some perspective on what God wants that other humans don't?

We are human; we are in no way perfect. I believe that our prayers are never going to be word-perfect, and if we spend our time and energy on the words and not the meaning, that is not what God wants. Paul says in Romans 8:26-27

In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

Using the name Jesus Christ, and only that name, to call on God is, I think, bordering on idolatry. We don't really know what to pray for. I believe that the important thing is that I am spending time with my Father when I pray, and what I say does not, in the end, matter. The Holy Spirit will intercede for me with groans that words cannot express.

[mysterychristian]

I don't mean to criticize or to offend you, but it sounds to me like you know a lot about God's will. Do you have some perspective on what God wants that other humans don't?

We are human; we are in no way perfect. I believe that our prayers are never going to be word-perfect, and if we spend our time and energy on the words and not the meaning, that is not what God wants. Paul says in Romans 8:26-27



Using the name Jesus Christ, and only that name, to call on God is, I think, bordering on idolatry. We don't really know what to pray for. I believe that the important thing is that I am spending time with my Father when I pray, and what I say does not, in the end, matter. The Holy Spirit will intercede for me with groans that words cannot express.
How about the meaning and words being correct that would be best, of course God looks at the heart but once you have learned correctly from the word then it is just sheer disobedience to God's word, doesn't that make sense at all to any of you? Of course I know God looks at the heart, but if we just simply ignore what the word says to do then can you truly call yourself a servant, a doulos, a sold out committed servant to God? I think not, I am not saying that I am perfect or that God expects perfection from us but He does expect obedience once the word is known correctly, He expects change from us, it would be lack of meekness and humilty and stubborness to ignore His will once known, I do not understand how much more simple I have to express what I am saying? God's word is pointless to have if it is just words on a page that we can disobey and do as we please once we know whats right? why even read it at all? You read the Word to know God's heart and to know His will, God's will is His word have you ever heard that before? God's word is God's will, and when we obey God's word we are obeying God's will. It is that simple. Well God bless you all on your walk with the Father, I am believing that some of you will understand what I am saying and deeping your walk with the Father. To walk with God is to walk by His revealed Word first and foremost, your relationship with God is directly related with your walk on His word, ON His word and His word only, not your own will or feelings or what you decide to do. God bless

[Cris413]

<snip>
I believe that this is what goes on with most Christians today, "they honour me with their lips but their heart is far from me"! What a great verse of scripture and timely to our day and time with mainstream denominational Christianity.

Exactly....listen to your own words here. God is more concerned with the condition of our hearts...not the speech of our lips.

The Lord hears me whether I call Him Lord, (which is what I usually call Him when I pray) or Jesus or The Christ or The Son of Man...He would hear me just the same.

I pray to the Father in Jesus Holy Name. The Father hears me. He answers me. He knows my heart.

I simply can't imagine Him saying ...you didn't address me correctly or use My Son's proper Name...no audience with Me today.

Praying in the Spirit...I give no thought to what I will say...the Spirit guides me in prayer...I don't have to "think" about it and it is always AMAZING!

Praise God!

[HypnoToad]

The NT was originally in Greek.

If God is so demanding on this, why is the English version of "Jesus Christ" acceptable? The Word clearly says "Iesous Christos", "Jesus Christ" isn't in there anywhere.

[JDIBe]

I don't think the Scripture says, "You must use the name Jesus Christ all the time or it won't work".

I do think it is important for us to remember where our trust is and from where our source of power comes from. It does not come from ourselves, so it is useful TO US to ask in His name sometimes, if only in our hearts.

I have seen people invoke the name of Jesus simply to make their own wants and desires seem more important to other people. I have a problem with that. The 7 sons of Sceva learned a very important lesson about such things.

Acts 19:13-16

13 But some itinerant Jewish exorcists tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were possessed by evil spirits, saying, “I sternly warn you by Jesus whom Paul preaches.”
14 (Now seven sons of a man named Sceva, a Jewish high priest, were doing this.)
15 But the evil spirit replied to them, “I know about Jesus and I am acquainted with Paul, but who are you?”
16 Then the man who was possessed by the evil spirit jumped on them and beat them all into submission. He prevailed against them so that they fled from that house naked and wounded.

What seems best is to....
1. Ask with a grateful and humble heart and
2. Try to ask for what the Lord's will would be anyway in any given situation.

[mysterychristian]

I don't think the Scripture says, "You must use the name Jesus Christ all the time or it won't work".

I do think it is important for us to remember where our trust is and from where our source of power comes from. It does not come from ourselves, so it is useful TO US to ask in His name sometimes, if only in our hearts.

I have seen people invoke the name of Jesus simply to make their own wants and desires seem more important to other people. I have a problem with that. The 7 sons of Sceva learned a very important lesson about such things.

Acts 19:13-16

13 But some itinerant Jewish exorcists tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were possessed by evil spirits, saying, “I sternly warn you by Jesus whom Paul preaches.”
14 (Now seven sons of a man named Sceva, a Jewish high priest, were doing this.)
15 But the evil spirit replied to them, “I know about Jesus and I am acquainted with Paul, but who are you?”
16 Then the man who was possessed by the evil spirit jumped on them and beat them all into submission. He prevailed against them so that they fled from that house naked and wounded.

What seems best is to....
1. Ask with a grateful and humble heart and
2. Try to ask for what the Lord's will would be anyway in any given situation.
Jhn 14:13 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn014.html#13) And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.


Jhn 14:14 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn014.html#14) If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].

Eph 5:20 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eph/Eph005.html#20) Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;


Col 3:17 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Col/Col003.html#17) And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, (DO)all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Jhn 16:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn016.html#23) And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give [it] you.


Jhn 16:24 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn016.html#24) Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.


Jhn 16:26 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn016.html#26) At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:


It seems to me that God is teaching us correctly How we are to pray very plainly and simply in these verses above???

How plain and simple does the Father need to be in order to instruct His children???

[JTLauder]

I don't think the Scripture says, "You must use the name Jesus Christ all the time or it won't work".

I do think it is important for us to remember where our trust is and from where our source of power comes from. It does not come from ourselves, so it is useful TO US to ask in His name sometimes, if only in our hearts.

I agree. I don't think Jesus meant to utter the very letters of his name like some kind of magic incantation. Nor does it mean that things will automatically happen just because his name was used. He meant that things should be done through him. Which means that it would have to go through his approval before God will allow it to happen.

[mysterychristian]

I agree. I don't think Jesus meant to utter the very letters of his name like some kind of magic incantation. Nor does it mean that things will automatically happen just because his name was used. He meant that things should be done through him. Which means that it would have to go through his approval before God will allow it to happen.
I dont think????............... What does your opinion have to do with the the Word of God?

[JDIBe]

Jhn 14:13 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn014.html#13) And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.


Jhn 14:14 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn014.html#14) If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].

Eph 5:20 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eph/Eph005.html#20) Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;


Col 3:17 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Col/Col003.html#17) And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, (DO)all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Jhn 16:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn016.html#23) And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give [it] you.


Jhn 16:24 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn016.html#24) Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.


Jhn 16:26 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn016.html#26) At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:


It seems to me that God is teaching us correctly How we are to pray very plainly and simply in these verses above???

How plain and simple does the Father need to be in order to instruct His children???
Well, in my best Dr. Phil voice I would just have to say...

"How did John 14:13-14 work out for the 7 sons of Sceva?"

Obviously doing things in "the name of Jesus" implies something more than just saying the words. I do agree with you that we should pray in Jesus name (whether in voice or in spirit) This is one reason I choose not to pray through Mary. I have assurance from my Savior that I have a direct line through Him.

[HypnoToad]

I dont think????............... What does your opinion have to do with the the Word of God?
So, you'd agree then, that your own opinion on interpreting Scripture here is irrelevant?

[BustedFlat]

This is how Jesus taught us to pray in Matthew 6:5-15(NKJV):
The Model Prayer

5 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=6&translation=nkjvp&x=12&y=5#) "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.
6 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=6&translation=nkjvp&x=12&y=5#) But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you *openly.
7 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=6&translation=nkjvp&x=12&y=5#) And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=6&translation=nkjvp&x=12&y=5#) "Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.
9 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=6&translation=nkjvp&x=12&y=5#) In this manner, therefore, pray:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=6&translation=nkjvp&x=12&y=5#) Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
11 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=6&translation=nkjvp&x=12&y=5#) Give us this day our daily bread.
12 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=6&translation=nkjvp&x=12&y=5#) And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
13 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=6&translation=nkjvp&x=12&y=5#) And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
*For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
14 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=6&translation=nkjvp&x=12&y=5#) "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=6&translation=nkjvp&x=12&y=5#) But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Footnotes:
6:4-6 NU-Text omits openly.
6:13 NU-Text omits For Yours through Amen.


This is not a canned prayer to intone in rote, He warns us against that in verse 7, but a structure to use putting your own thoughts in prayer.

It is through His name we have access to the Father, and we are to use that ambassadorship to speak directly to the Father.

Christ died so that we, in our woeful, sinful state may directly approach the throne of a sinless God, and to use ANY intermediary to speak to the Father is to disrespect the ambassadorship His death gave to you.

[Splayd]

The NT was originally in Greek.

If God is so demanding on this, why is the English version of "Jesus Christ" acceptable? The Word clearly says "Iesous Christos", "Jesus Christ" isn't in there anywhere.
Absolutely! I was thinking the same thing.

"Jesus Christ" is not our Lord's actual name at all. I'm pretty sure He knows who we're talking about when we say it though, just as I'm sure He'd understand when we just say "Jesus".

If we really had to get the name just right we should probably say "Yeshua". If we're really meant to get the "full name", it may have been "Yeshua ben Yosef". If what matters is the right "name + title" combination than we should probably say "Yeshua Ha Moshiach". If we're to stick the letter of the text "Iesous Christos" is spot on. Interestingly - none of these proper names is exactly "Jesus Christ"... so if it's an error to use the name "Jesus" it's as much of an error to use the name "Jesus Christ". In fact - it would be even more incorrect to use "Jesus Christ" as His "full name" because "Christ" isn't even a name at all. As pointed out already - it's a title.

Peace

[JTLauder]

I dont think????............... What does your opinion have to do with the the Word of God?

And what does your opinion have to do with my ability to use my brain that God gave me?

[MelissaShae]

God wants to hear our hearts. Our prayers will not be answered on the basis of correct names but rather God's will. He will answer prayers in his way and his time.

[MaidforHim]

In short, one of the things I like about the KJV Bible is that it reffers to Jesus as the Christ more often than others and also as "Son of God".... I like that reinforcement. It sends a solid message.

Now as for myself reffering to Jesus as either just "Jesus" or using the whole term "Jesus Christ" ... depends on who I am talking to or wrting to.

If I am talking with a fellow Christian they know Jesus is the Christ. I feel comfortable saying Jesus. Just like if I were talking about a fellow church member I wouldn't say "Doctor John" Or "John the Doctor".

If I am addressing someone who is on weak ground or an unbeliever I would use the term "Jesus Christ" or even "Christ" ... It has a significant message, meaning and authority.

When I speak to God He knows my heart, He knows who I am thinking of, who I believe in, I may say anything from Jesus, Jesus Christ, Christ, Yahshua, Your Son, .... It's not a conscious choice it just kind of slows out as the spirit leads me to pray.

If I were to have an occasion to rebuke evil I would definitly use the name of "Jesus Christ" :thumbsup:

God knows our hearts and our intentions. It's our fellow man we need to go a little farther to be sure is understanding what we mean. IMO :wave: