Formal Debate Invite: Infant Baptism

[pax]

Crossmovement and I have been having a discussion in Christian Teens and Youth Ministry about Infant Baptism. So.........If anyone is interested in being on a 3 person team for either pro or con we'd like to have a formal debate:

It would be in the format of:

Opening Statement - Pro
Opening Statement - Con
Rebuttal - Pro
Rebuttal - Con
Rebuttal - Pro
Rebuttal - Con
Rebuttal - Pro
Rebuttal - Con
Closing - Pro
Closing - Con
Thread is officially deemed closed.

All sources must be cited. There is a three day time limit on responses (unless there are extenuating circumstances i.e. not having access to a computer). This is just a basic outline for debate rules, and we can make other decisions once we get started.

I'll be on the pro side and I'm guessing Crossmovement will want to be on the con so we'll need 2 more people for each unless more people are interested (or not enough people are interested).

God Bless

[CrossMovement]

Crossmovement and I have been having a discussion in Christian Teens and Youth Ministry about Infant Baptism. So.........If anyone is interested in being on a 3 person team for either pro or con we'd like to have a formal debate:

It would be in the format of:

Opening Statement - Pro
Opening Statement - Con
Rebuttal - Pro
Rebuttal - Con
Rebuttal - Pro
Rebuttal - Con
Rebuttal - Pro
Rebuttal - Con
Closing - Pro
Closing - Con
Thread is officially deemed closed.

All sources must be cited. There is a three day time limit on responses (unless there are extenuating circumstances i.e. not having access to a computer). This is just a basic outline for debate rules, and we can make other decisions once we get started.

I'll be on the pro side and I'm guessing Crossmovement will want to be on the con so we'll need 2 more people for each unless more people are interested (or not enough people are interested).

God Bless

I don't want to repeat myself too much so I will just say this :

Do you know the significance of getting baptized? When you get baptized it means that you have made a decision to follow christ for the rest of your life and accept him as your personal savior from sin . By him dying on the cross , he delivered us from sin that we may not die (if we believe in him) . Now does a baby know about all of this? I don't think so.

Can a baby make that kind of decision? No

Baptism is needed for salvation :

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned

And Pax , please tell me a Bible reference itself for Infant baptism , cuz I believe in the bible first :)

Don't tell me Catholic beliefs please cuz I believe in the Bible , put you can refer me some verse of the bible who have been interpreted by Catholic and I'll love to see what they think about this verse ect .. :)


God Bless :clap:

[Benedicta00]

Crosmovement,

This is not the area to debate in if you wish to be answered then form a team.

Pax,

Count me in.

[CrossMovement]

Crosmovement,

This is not the area to debate in if you wish to be answered then form a team.

Pax,

Count me in.

i didn't know :P i thought we could debate right now

sorry buddy

:clap:

[CrossMovement]

i didn't know :P i thought we could debate right now

sorry buddy

:clap:


Where do we debate ?? Can you explain it to me more clearly because I don't understand quite well. Thank in advance

:clap: :holy:

[pax]

That's alright. The rules confused me at first too. It's to try to to prevent exessive confusion with interjections from 3rd parties and keep some semblance of staying on topic. Do you want to form teams or would you like to try it one-on-one? The new rules do allow for one-on-one debate (the old rules didn't).

[CrossMovement]

That's alright. The rules confused me at first too. It's to try to to prevent exessive confusion with interjections from 3rd parties and keep some semblance of staying on topic. Do you want to form teams or would you like to try it one-on-one? The new rules do allow for one-on-one debate (the old rules didn't).


I will try to form a team

[Drotar]

Crossmovement and I have been having a discussion in Christian Teens and Youth Ministry about Infant Baptism. So.........If anyone is interested in being on a 3 person team for either pro or con we'd like to have a formal debate:

It would be in the format of:

Opening Statement - Pro
Opening Statement - Con
Rebuttal - Pro
Rebuttal - Con
Rebuttal - Pro
Rebuttal - Con
Rebuttal - Pro
Rebuttal - Con
Closing - Pro
Closing - Con
Thread is officially deemed closed.

All sources must be cited. There is a three day time limit on responses (unless there are extenuating circumstances i.e. not having access to a computer). This is just a basic outline for debate rules, and we can make other decisions once we get started.

I'll be on the pro side and I'm guessing Crossmovement will want to be on the con so we'll need 2 more people for each unless more people are interested (or not enough people are interested).

God Bless

All right, I'll help out Crossmovement. (PM me BTW- I think it's better if I get to know the person that's one my side a little better). Perhaps it would be cool if we kept this debate limited to teenagers. I think it'd be a good experience for the youth to learn to defend their faith. This would help get more people involved in the command of the Scriptures to be ready to give an explanation for what they believe.

TTYL Jesus loves y'all! (How've you been pax, by the way? I haven't been on for a while.) I'll check back for updates.

[aggie03]

I'll get involved on the side against infant baptism (negative?) if the teams aren't already full. This is a wonderful compliment to baptism debate already under way, thanks for starting it!

[CrossMovement]

I'll get involved on the side against infant baptism (negative?) if the teams aren't already full. This is a wonderful compliment to baptism debate already under way, thanks for starting it!

All right , thank guy for being on my team.

For pax : Can you tell me how this work cuz I don't understand where we are going to Debate.

After infant baptism it would be cool to talk about a hot subject who is Sabbath. If you aggree with me then just let me know :)

:clap:

[jukesk9]

Pax, I'd like to contribute to your team if that's alright.

[Bastoune]

I guess you got your 3, but I'm interested on the side of Infant Baptism.

[CrossMovement]

I guess you got your 3, but I'm interested on the side of Infant Baptism.


I think this will be a fun debate , it seem to interest many people. we are at least 10 right now I think. Say Thank You Lord for this good chance that he have given us to talk about Baptism :) :clap: :pray: :angel:

[pax]

All right , thank guy for being on my team.

For pax : Can you tell me how this work cuz I don't understand where we are going to Debate.

After infant baptism it would be cool to talk about a hot subject who is Sabbath. If you aggree with me then just let me know :)

:clap:


Sorry about that. I didn't see this post. The forum above this, I think it's called formal debates is where the thread will be posted. The "forum rules" are posted at the beginning.

So far we have teams of:

Pro -
Pax (me)
Shelb5
Jukesk9
Bastoune (If you really want to do it, it probably wouldn't matter all that much, provided con has no objections to 4 people on pro)


Con -
Crossmovement
Drotar
aggie03

Do you mind if we have 4? If so do you want to wait for 1 more for con or should we just start with the original 3?

[Benedicta00]

I now it is confusing but that would be Shelb, not Miss Shelby. :D

Tim can debate this and i'll watch, i really want to see how this goes anyway.

[pax]

I now it is confusing but that would be Shelb, not Miss Shelby. :D

I'll fix that. Sorry, I am terrrible with names

[Drotar]

Having four people on your team, if I'm seeing this correctly, will make it MORE difficult for y'all. There are six responses per side regardless of the number on each. Thus, the more on your team the harder it'll be to organize your thoughts and have a coordinated attack (since you're on the pro side and we respond, we'll be the defense). I mean, 3 on 3 each person goes twice. If there is 4 on a team, then each person goes ONCE and two go twice. The more links in the chain, the less times you're going to go, and the harder it is going to be having an organized and coherent argument. If you would prefer four, then that is my preferment, to answer your question.

I just want to be fair and point out that it could make things more difficult for y'all. Whatever you chooose, set the date and we'll be there for the con side. If you do decide on four, we do not mind, if I may speak on behalf of the team I'm on. TTYL Jesus loves you!

[Achichem]

If the cons want 4 then I'm all in, PM if you need me, also I don't have to write up a full rebuttal if you guys don?t? want me to, all I ask is to check over and add to the arguments being given

C.B.B(Datsar)

[aggie03]

So when is the affirmative going to make their first post? I do have one request to make though.

I would ask that after we go through the debate with teams as they are, that we then debate the converse - we will become the affirmative for baptism is only for those who are capable of belief, and you all will be the negative. That way we will not be limited in what we can say, for as the negative we can only address arguments that you have brought up.

[JEREMY O'ROURKE]

I am a Pentecostal Christian and have read no where in the Bible where infant baptism was mentioned. Now infant dedication was. It was mentioned that Moses as a baby was dedicated to the Lord. I do not agree with sprinkling either I believe in total submerging. This is scriptural. One must know what the act of baptism means before doing it. A person must be a Christian and recieve Jesus before they get baptized. A baby does not know Jesus yet. The act of baptizing never saves only when you know and accept Jesus as your Lord and savior. Each one of us has to do it ourselves.

[JeffreyLloyd]

Oh yes it is Jeremy. Check your PM box.

[pax]

Sorry, I kind of forgot about this thread.

The teams are (provided everyone still wants to do it. I'll PM everyone just to make sure.):

Pro -
Me (pax)
Shelb5
jukesk9


Con -
CrossMovement
Drotar
aggie03

[JeffreyLloyd]

You can add me as a pinch hitter for your team if needed Pax

[JeffreyLloyd]

Great CF page Pax!!

Totus Tuus!!!!

[Drotar]

Actually, I think now that I've been in one, I'm going to steer clear of formal debates.

The setup and character limit limits whatever we want to say to "No, you're wrong".

I LOVE that song by Michael W. Smith Jeffrey Llyod! TTYL Jesus loves you!

[aggie03]

I have to check and make sure, but I think that I have another person who will be interested in taking the negative side of the debate. Are we going to debate both sides of the issue (give us a chance to be affirmative)? I think that would give us more of an opportunity to thuroughly cover the topic at hand.

Here is the proposed team for the first half negative:

Crossmovement
Gqaggie04
Aggie03

You all may go ahead and post if you'd like, and begin your three days, I'm almost positive that gqaggie04 will want to be on the team.

[aggie03]

So.....<<sound of crickets chirping>>.....we gunna get started on this debate or what? ;)

[Benedicta00]

Well we have to decide what aspect of infant baptism we will cover.

How narrow or broad we're going to go with it?

Are we looking to just discuss the biblical teaching or lack of, or are we going into the regeneration aspect of it, why we think it is okay to baptize infants?

[aggie03]

That's up to you all when you are the affirmative, and up to us when we are the affirmative. The negative can only answer to points that have been addressed by the affirmative on either round of the debate :). So, the answer is, we can get as deep into it as you want while you've got the reins ;).

[Benedicta00]

Aggie,

Do y'all have 4 people yet?

[aggie03]

We're only going to go through the debate with 3. We're good to go and ready whenever you are.

[Benedicta00]

Just waiting to hear back from Pax.

[pax]

Sorry this week has been extremely hectic for me, but I think I'm good to go now. If everyone's ready, our opening statements should be posted soon.

[pax]

I posted the opening arguments. The Con side can start with their opening statement whenever they're ready :)

[Benedicta00]

Is crossmovement going to respond??? Is the debate finished?

[aggie03]

I've responded to the affirmative second post - whoever is going to make the next affirmative statement is more than welcome to anytime ;).

Hope that you all are having a wonderful day!

[aggie03]

Are we still having this debate? Just curious :)

[Bayhawks83]

infant baptism is NOWHERE in the bible.