Orthodox Catholic Church?

[Knowledge3]

Please review.

http://www.orthodoxcatholicchurch.org/about.html


:wave:

[Nickolai]

Please review.

http://www.orthodoxcatholicchurch.org/about.html


:wave:
Bunch of pretenders. Not even close to being Orthodox.

[Breaking Babylon]

Great Schema page though, and their St. Isaac quote was particularly edifying. :)

It'd be great if they came into communion with a canonical Orthodox jurisdiction.

[Anhelyna]

A wonderful bunch of folk who are neither Orthodox nor Catholic .

I tend to have a look at Clergy and photos before I do anything else with Sites like this.

Here is a photo on their Clergy page

http://www.orthodoxcatholicchurch.org/photos.html

Now I ask you - do they look Orthodox ?? Do they Look Catholic ??

You need go no further - but should you scroll further down you will find headshots of Deacon Laura Emerson ,
Mother Francesca Fortunato , Mother Sharon Hill and one of the most interesting to me mind is Mother Lynn Walker


Now if you see things like that - you do not need to ask for any comments.

K3 - I'm sure you have better things to research than these folk.

[Knowledge3]

K3 - I'm sure you have better things to research than these folk.

I like to give people who are trying a chance.

If they made me Bishop of that "church" I would reform it and make it a canonical eastern orthodox church.

[Anhelyna]

< shakes head >

K3 - they are not interested in becoming canonical - they want to do it their way.

I repeat they are NOT Catholic . They are NOT Orthodox . Nor will they ever be. They are sad folk who were probably rejected by canonical Churches and decided that they were the only ones who knew what a 'proper' religion was.

For the good of your spiritual health delete their Site from your computer .

Say a few prayers that they will one day see the light , and then forget about them.

[kamikat]

A wonderful bunch of folk who are neither Orthodox nor Catholic .

I tend to have a look at Clergy and photos before I do anything else with Sites like this.

Here is a photo on their Clergy page

http://www.orthodoxcatholicchurch.org/photos.html

Now I ask you - do they look Orthodox ?? Do they Look Catholic ??
.


Wow, an interesting group!

K3, we can pray for these people, but we don't "give them a chance". They are not in communion with either the Orthodox Church or the Catholic Church. They are just a group of people doing their own thing, just like any other Protestant group.

[Knowledge3]

Wow, an interesting group!

K3, we can pray for these people, but we don't "give them a chance". They are not in communion with either the Orthodox Church or the Catholic Church. They are just a group of people doing their own thing, just like any other Protestant group.

I thought the whole purpose of becoming a Catholic or an Orthodox was to de-convert from protestantism and become catholic/orthodox; and not heterodox.

[Orthocat]

There is a group of almost Catholic/Orthodox that started their own church because of acceptance of gay/lesbian beliefs.

Almost however, means you are still missing the mark.

[nestoj]

- In fact, every believer is empowered to be a reconciler, a forgiver for the Lord. – Come to us, we will give you power.

- OCCA welcomes women into Holy Orders because we are convinced that "in Christ there is neither male nor female," convinced that if one is called to baptism, one can also be called to nurture that baptism. – odd some Orthodoxy, they don’t say is this goes as far as Deacons, or to the priests and bishops.

- Our convictions in this matter put as at odds with official teachings of the Roman, Eastern Orthodox and some Reformation traditions. – ultra-mega-summer-techno-remix?

- - The patriarch of the West, the bishop of Rome, could be recognized by OCCA in the ancient role given to that office: mediating disputes and facilitating communication between the churches within the Church, remembering that the head of the Church is Jesus. - ;)

nestoj
God helps

[ufonium2]

They have a parish in my city. It's named after a "martyr" who was one of the gay people to die in the WTC attack. Their priest was a local Catholic priest, until he got defrocked when he was found engaging in (homo)sexual activity in a local park. Basically, they are much more about being gay than they are about being "orthodox," "catholic," or even Christian.

I know all of this because our local (anti-Christian rag) newspaper did a full-page feature story on them, and then in the history part instead of giving the history of the OCCA, they copy and pasted the history of the OCA into the article, making it look like that was a parish of the OCA. Of course our local OCA parish freaked out.

[Orthocat]

They have a parish in my city. It's named after a "martyr" who was one of the gay people to die in the WTC attack. Their priest was a local Catholic priest, until he got defrocked when he was found engaging in (homo)sexual activity in a local park. Basically, they are much more about being gay than they are about being "orthodox," "catholic," or even Christian.

I know all of this because our local (anti-Christian rag) newspaper did a full-page feature story on them, and then in the history part instead of giving the history of the OCCA, they copy and pasted the history of the OCA into the article, making it look like that was a parish of the OCA. Of course our local OCA parish freaked out.


leave it to the media to mess up everything. And Christian-bashing is always en vogue.

[Philothei]

A wonderful bunch of folk who are neither Orthodox nor Catholic .

I tend to have a look at Clergy and photos before I do anything else with Sites like this.

Here is a photo on their Clergy page

http://www.orthodoxcatholicchurch.org/photos.html

Now I ask you - do they look Orthodox ?? Do they Look Catholic ??

You need go no further - but should you scroll further down you will find headshots of Deacon Laura Emerson ,
Mother Francesca Fortunato , Mother Sharon Hill and one of the most interesting to me mind is Mother Lynn Walker


Now if you see things like that - you do not need to ask for any comments.

K3 - I'm sure you have better things to research than these folk.
Now that is something different. Hey K3 this is the kind of unity between C.C. and E.O we want to see??

http://www.orthodoxcatholicchurch.org/images/viningl.jpg

yes, Father ohh Mother sorry... I will pass on Communion today... sorry...lol That gaves the giggles sorry everyone....

Lord have mercy on us all.

and let us pray for these forks to see the True Light of Christ and His Church.

Philothei

[Knowledge3]

For me, the only thing permissible for female clergy is a female deacon in which a certain Church Father writes bout appointing female deacons for certain purposes. (IE) Nun,Tertiary etc

But clergy, priests,pastors,and bishops, are to be male.

And no homosexual orientation.

[Knowledge3]

And when I'm speaking of catholic orthodoxy, I mean authentic; such as this site:
http://athanasiuscollege.org/classes/profile.php

[Michael the Iconographer]

The following list might help you in further circumstances where you wonder if someone or something is Orthodox. Notice the OCA is on this list, so YES I am canonical Orthodox and not a schismatic.

http://aggreen.net/autocephaly/autoceph.html

[Shubunkin]

Notice the OCA is on this list, so YES I am canonical Orthodox and not a schismatic.

http://aggreen.net/autocephaly/autoceph.html
Wow, what a relief!! I was really worried there for a second. :P

Thanks for the link. Already knew some of that. Mine is on there as well, so now you can stop worrying about me too. :D :preach:

[Anhelyna]

K3

You are on another BOARD ???

[Michael the Iconographer]

Wow, what a relief!! I was really worried there for a second. :P

Thanks for the link. Already knew some of that. Mine is on there as well, so now you can stop worrying about me too. :D :preach:
You are a nut!

[Knowledge3]

K3

You are on another BOARD ???

Do you mean in CF or another site?

I have been in Patristics,OBOB and TAW since Lenten season began.

Why do you ask? :)

[Anhelyna]

No K3 I meant that as well as being on CF [ oh and possibly Orthopraxis ] you are on this one http://athanasiuscollege.org/classes/profile.php

I am just surprised that a catechumen is managing to cope with all of this.

I know that my SF knows where I post and also knows that I will not enter into something like the dreaded GT part of CF. BUT despite that I still have his permission to do this -- do you ??

[rusmeister]

Hi again, K3!
I know we don't really know each other and I suppose that's a pity. It's hard to get or give a context of love and caring on electronic forums. Please forgive me for any failings, both real and apparent in that regard. :bow:

I and others have told you a number of times that a catechumen should be focusing on Orthodoxy, and not browsing around, sampling this faith or that faith, not making any categorical statements, and most certainly accepting that Orthodoxy is what it is and not seeking to develop or find a church that unites all of Christianity, heterodox as well as Orthodox.

I strongly urge you to make an appointment with your Orthodox priest and obtain approval and guidance for all steps made towards the Faith. Visiting different forums, getting guidance from Catholics, Anglicans, etc and forming your own ideas of what the Church should be will wind up with your picture on that website or a similar one, but not with your being part of the Holy Orthodox Church. Let the Church tell you what it means by 'catholic' and don't ask Catholics what it means. An Orthodox catechumen should not be seeking guidance in the Faith from heterodox Christians.

My personal advice is that it is probably better to stay off all forums (and maybe even internet surfing) altogether until you have been chrismated. The temptation to investigate this or that belief at the click of a button is enormous, but it is going to lead you into confusion and away from true Orthodoxy. You've amassed a large number of posts fairly quickly, and while zeal is commendable, it can also lead to burnout and turning away from the Church, believe it or not. Even at TAW we are just a bunch of jerks who follow Christ imperfectly. Feel free to ask your priest if that is a good or necessary step for you and stick to books and materials by Orthodox writers (in regards to Faith) and whatever your priest recommends.

Hoping to be posting with you 1,2, or 3 years down the road... :)

Please forgive me! :bow:

[Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta]

Hi again, K3!
I know we don't really know each other and I suppose that's a pity. It's hard to get or give a context of love and caring on electronic forums. Please forgive me for any failings, both real and apparent in that regard. :bow:

I and others have told you a number of times that a catechumen should be focusing on Orthodoxy, and not browsing around, sampling this faith or that faith, not making any categorical statements, and most certainly accepting that Orthodoxy is what it is and not seeking to develop or find a church that unites all of Christianity, heterodox as well as Orthodox.

I strongly urge you to make an appointment with your Orthodox priest and obtain approval and guidance for all steps made towards the Faith. Visiting different forums, getting guidance from Catholics, Anglicans, etc and forming your own ideas of what the Church should be will wind up with your picture on that website or a similar one, but not with your being part of the Holy Orthodox Church. Let the Church tell you what it means by 'catholic' and don't ask Catholics what it means. An Orthodox catechumen should not be seeking guidance in the Faith from heterodox Christians.

My personal advice is that it is probably better to stay off all forums (and maybe even internet surfing) altogether until you have been chrismated. The temptation to investigate this or that belief at the click of a button is enormous, but it is going to lead you into confusion and away from true Orthodoxy. You've amassed a large number of posts fairly quickly, and while zeal is commendable, it can also lead to burnout and turning away from the Church, believe it or not. Even at TAW we are just a bunch of jerks who follow Christ imperfectly. Feel free to ask your priest if that is a good or necessary step for you and stick to books and materials by Orthodox writers (in regards to Faith) and whatever your priest recommends.

Hoping to be posting with you 1,2, or 3 years down the road... :)

Please forgive me! :bow:
Ditto this. This desperately needed to be said, and you did a much better job of it than I could've.

K3: Out of curiosity, have you officially been made a catechumen of the Orthodox Church? You do realize that only a priest can make you a catechumen, right? If you are a catechumen, or are at least taking catechumen classes, then your priest should be guiding and instructing you in the faith. If you are undergoing catechesis, you need to let your priest know that you have been studying other faiths as well.

[Knowledge3]

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[Knowledge3]

No K3 I meant that as well as being on CF [ oh and possibly Orthopraxis ] you are on this one http://athanasiuscollege.org/classes/profile.php

I am just surprised that a catechumen is managing to cope with all of this.

I've trained myself for 4-5 years before finally becoming a cathechumen in the orthodox church.

My teaching is hard.


I know that my SF knows where I post and also knows that I will not enter into something like the dreaded GT part of CF. BUT despite that I still have his permission to do this -- do you ??


I'm staying out of GT for Lent and restricting my posts to TAW and OBOB.

Peace.

[Knowledge3]

Ditto this. This desperately needed to be said, and you did a much better job of it than I could've.

K3: Out of curiosity, have you officially been made a catechumen of the Orthodox Church? You do realize that only a priest can make you a catechumen, right? If you are a catechumen, or are at least taking catechumen classes, then your priest should be guiding and instructing you in the faith. If you are undergoing catechesis, you need to let your priest know that you have been studying other faiths as well.

Yes, Fr. Anthony has already said the cathechumen prayers over me when I come to the sacrament.

I have to wait until chrismation before I can receive the body and blood.

I'm also taking instruction and learning on my own.

Peace.

[Anhelyna]

I give in - really I do.:mad:

Never once have you ever answered the important question

DOES YOUR PRIEST KNOW AND APPROVE OF ALL YOUR POSTING ON THESE BOARDS ?

I've trained myself for 4-5 years before finally becoming a cathechumen in the orthodox church.

YOU do NOT train yourself - you learn under the guidance of your priest.

I was under the care of my SF for 18 months - I could not see him every week during that time as he is not in the same country as me - but we talked frequently by phone and exchanged letters and e-mails. I did nothing without his permission and my GodPapa ensured I did not.

[Knowledge3]

I give in - really I do.:mad:

Never once have you ever answered the important question

DOES YOUR PRIEST KNOW AND APPROVE OF ALL YOUR POSTING ON THESE BOARDS ?

Apologies :priest:

I spoke with my SF just yesterday before Wed Noon Mass.

He is aware that I use the internet.




YOU do NOT train yourself - you learn under the guidance of your priest.

I was under the care of my SF for 18 months - I could not see him every week during that time as he is not in the same country as me - but we talked frequently by phone and exchanged letters and e-mails. I did nothing without his permission and my GodPapa ensured I did not.


Actually, I didn't have a choice.

I undertook a great and tremendous effort on my own to teach myself the way, but since I became a catechumen I am getting guidance and instruction from Fr. Anthony.

Peace.

[Michael the Iconographer]

I have to agree with Rusmeister and GDE.

[VickiY]

K3, is he aware that you use the internet, or is he aware that you are posting on all these chat forums?

[Anhelyna]

K3

I will ask once more [ you seem to have a great knack in avoiding questions you do not want to answer ]


Does your SF know that you are posting on all these Chat Forums ?
A simple 'yes' or 'no' is all that is wanted

[Knowledge3]

K3

I will ask once more [ you seem to have a great knack in avoiding questions you do not want to answer ]


Does your SF know that you are posting on all these Chat Forums ?
A simple 'yes' or 'no' is all that is wanted


Yes and No.

He is aware that I use the internet but he is actually not aware of what I've worked toward and intend contribute to learning the academic approach to study in using the internet as a resource and tool.

But he is probably not aware of the Orthodox that I have interacted with on this forum.

[Philothei]

if it can be any consultation to you k3 if you consciously understand what all these illegitemate sites and churches are proclaiming why do you search and bring this issues about Catholicism and Orthodoxy up all the time? I personally thought that you were fully aware that these sites are untrue and posting thiese stuff just for fun.

Searching through the net and spending your time finding sites and inquiring for the sake of searching is not profitable to your soul. If you have a real question in matter of faith that is different.
I think that is what everyone here is trying to say to you. Please do not mind us telling you this as we are conserned.

And please do not loose your courage and faith in searching what really matters to you. Whether the E.O and C.C church will unite is not your concern right now. We all know that this is a big issue but it is not our call. This lenten season what is important is our faith. Try to concentrate on that.

Lord have mercy on us.

God bless us all,
Philothei

[Protoevangel]

Hey K3,

You say you have been alone in your spiritual search until now... This is all probably a bit overwhelming, having so many people love you, and all of them trying to help you look out for your soul. Please try to take the advice you read here. Go ahead and run it by your Priest when you talk to him, to see what he has to say, but until then, please do take these people's wise and caring advice to heart.

[Matrona]

Yes and No.

He is aware that I use the internet but he is actually not aware of what I've worked toward and intend contribute to learning the academic approach to study in using the internet as a resource and tool.

But he is probably not aware of the Orthodox that I have interacted with on this forum.

Well, why don't you send him the link so he'll know what you've been up to?

[Knowledge3]

Well, why don't you send him the link so he'll know what you've been up to?

I could.

I told him what I was up to when I spoke to him just yesterday.

[nestoj]

Knowledge,
If it means something – I’ve never seen so many people trying so much over someone.

But, I’ve also never seen someone trying to do so much at once, and so talented not to hear anyone. FOCUS. You don’t eat all that flies – don’t waste energy on all you find, hear or think that exist. It seams to me that you believe that you can grasp entire Christianity (and unite it for that matter) in a year or two? Maybe I’m underestimating your intellect (I guess that you will immediately correct me if I do that), but even if I do so, we still believe that one should use bigger part of his powers on improving himself, and smaller on repairing the world. Don’t just learn – apply what you have learned, where is your obedience, calm, wisdom?

I’ve already asked you what happened with your fast. It seamed important to me on time when you first spoken of it. Do not underestimate importance of self-observation. I’ve always pushed myself back whenever I start thinking about book of Revelation with something I’ve read somewhere – when God asks me what have I done to make myself better, what should I tell Him – “God I’ve was trying to find out in what period of Revelation we are, and to calculate when will You come”. Trust me - I don’t want to say that.

Please forgive me if you feel like you’ve been held down, but as all have said – ask your priest first about all this race you are performing. If he approves that – you can lecture me about united Christianity until I pull my own ears.

Now, what about that milk on fast?

Nestoj
God helps

[Knowledge3]

1 meal a day for an indefinite amount of time.

1 choco-protein milkshake and a snack.

For the length and duration of the entire Lenten period.

I understand theosis and a form of inward transformation from the Jesus Prayer and mental ascetics.

[nestoj]

1 meal a day for an indefinite amount of time.

1 choco-protein milkshake and a snack.

For the length and duration of the entire Lenten period.

I understand theosis and a form of inward transformation from the Jesus Prayer and mental ascetics.
Are you OK with this sort of fast?

[Knowledge3]

Are you OK with this sort of fast?

Yes.

You to learn to control the feeling of hunger, and mental ascetics takes the mind off the flesh and is fixated toward God.

[Kristos]

:sigh:

[nestoj]

Then I don't understand.How come you wander so much in what others believe instead to focus on what you know you already believe?

[minasoliman]

I have become convinced that anything with the words "Catholic Orthodox" in one shot is highly highly suspicious. Months ago, a group calling themselves the "Coptic Catholic Orthodox Church" situated somewhere in the Carolinas decided to chose the Coptic name to create popularity. They were also pro-gay and pro-female priesthood.

I think they call themselves the "Apostolic Catholic Orthodox Church" due to some angry Copts emailing angry remarks against them.

Don't trust these groups. The fact they do this shows their desperations and deceptions.

God bless.

[jckstraw72]

to be fair to K3, not all priests require such strict overseeing. when i was a catechumen my priest never told me what to read or what to do on the internet. then again, i didnt specifically ask him, but he never said anything about expecting to be that in charge of what i read and what not.

but im certainly not saying dont seek his guidance -- please do.

[rusmeister]

to be fair to K3, not all priests require such strict overseeing. when i was a catechumen my priest never told me what to read or what to do on the internet. then again, i didnt specifically ask him, but he never said anything about expecting to be that in charge of what i read and what not.

but im certainly not saying dont seek his guidance -- please do.
Hi Jack!
What most of us are saying here, I think, is that this is just the kind of case that requires strict oversight.

All of us screw up, some of us by posting and surfing too much, and I don't want to judge my brother (to somehow imply that I am 'better'). But when you see stuff that's way out of line, silence is not always golden.

Sometimes a priest should know the specifics of a situation if he is to give good guidance. In that sense, when we go for confession or counseling, the burden is on us to provide the necessary info for the priest to say anything (he's just a man, and can't read minds), and if we fail to do that, we are not necessarily covered or excused.

Again, K3, I'd encourage you to provide your SF with the specific details, up to and including providing links (if he is willing). It seems improbable that an Orthodox priest would encourage any advice or info seeking from heterodox Christians for a catechumen (or anybody, really). Yes, they are our brothers, yes we should love them, yes, we may learn things from them incidentally. But we should not be seeking to learn the Faith from them.

God bless you and may you have a fruitful Lent!

[Knowledge3]

To everyone in this thread:

Thank you.

I do admit I need spiritual guidance and TAW is going to be instrumental in my conversion to the christian orthodox faith.

Advice given here will be taken and considered valuable.

Peace, K3 :priest:

[Michael the Iconographer]

Then I don't understand.How come you wander so much in what others believe instead to focus on what you know you already believe?
Good point!

[Michael the Iconographer]

Yes and No.

He is aware that I use the internet but he is actually not aware of what I've worked toward and intend contribute to learning the academic approach to study in using the internet as a resource and tool.

But he is probably not aware of the Orthodox that I have interacted with on this forum.
In your current state of being a catechumen, it is vital your SF know you do this. Catechumenate is a time of listening, not talking.

[xristos.anesti]

Ah brother, you will burn yourself out in this wish to grasp a lot. It is not to a man to learn everything but to do a little that he knows.

Take it easy and always push left foot in front of the right - pray to God, talk to your priest and listen to advice, do not seek too much all at once, but just enough that you won't choke.

Thread easy, for matters not all the knowledge of this universe compared to a little knowledge of one's soul.

Let your soul breathe and listen to that motion by quieting the brain that causes lot of noise.

Listen to the Church - for the body does what the Head wants.

Maranatha.
ICXC
NIKA

[Knowledge3]

In your current state of being a catechumen, it is vital your SF know you do this. Catechumenate is a time of listening, not talking.

Ok.

[Michael the Iconographer]

Ok.
BTW, a quick note on your sig file. Only Bishops sign their letters with a cross next to their name.

[Prawnik]

Also, do not rely on TAW in the conversion process. I suggest viewing TAW as an occasionally amusing diversion and not much more.

[Michael the Iconographer]

Also, do not rely on TAW for conversion. I suggest viewing TAW as an occasionally amusing diversion and not much more.
Yeah, exactly.

[Knowledge3]

Also, do not rely on TAW in the conversion process. I suggest viewing TAW as an occasionally amusing diversion and not much more.

TAW is also a place for learning and study as a catechumen.

[Qoheleth]

Knowledge3,


If I may...during your catechumenate

Pray pray pray

Repent repent repent

Attend Liturgy as much as possible (vespers etc...)

Listen to your SF, seek his guidance and wisdom


Stay off the internet as much as possible. It can be a very dangerous place to be for a vulnerable catechumen and others as well.


My prayers are with you during this time


Q

[Knowledge3]

Ok.

I may just browse TAW and be very selective of my posts.

Prayers are appreciated.

Peace, WP :priest:

[kamikat]

TAW is also a place for learning and study as a catechumen.

No, it's not. It's good for begining inquirery, but as soon as you begin meeting with a local priest, inquirers and catechumen should rely more and more on the local priest, than ANY on-line source. The local priest should always be the primary source of learning and study.

[Philothei]

K3 do not worry about posting. Post whatever you like just do not post things that cause debate and before you post think if what you are posting is in guidelines with EO faith. If it is from another faith i.e Catholic view, there is no reason to post it, you are a catechumen in the E.O. Just because you are W.R.O.(Western Rite) that does not mean you are not to accept all views of E.O. Western rite means your DL(worship) is different.

Just study what your SF tells you and pray more. I am sure a bunch of people here are praying for you.

I pray that Amighty God would protect you, enlighten your mind and illuminate your heart, giving you wisdom and patience in this time of your catechumenate.

God have mercy on us,
God bless,
Philothei

[Knowledge3]

K3 do not worry about posting. Post whatever you like just do not post things that cause debate and before you post think if what you are posting is in guidelines with EO faith. If it is from another faith i.e Catholic view, there is no reason to post it, you are a catechumen in the E.O. Just because you are W.R.O.(Western Rite) that does not mean you are not to accept all views of E.O. Western rite means your DL(worship) is different.

Just study what your SF tells you and pray more. I am sure a bunch of people here are praying for you.

I pray that Amighty God would protect you, enlighten your mind and illuminate your heart, giving you wisdom and patience in this time of your catechumenate.

God have mercy on us,
God bless,
Philothei

Thank you.

Your prayers are much needed and appreciated.

Peace WP :priest:

[Knowledge3]

BTW, a quick note on your sig file. Only Bishops sign their letters with a cross next to their name.

Michael, I understand your sentence but not exactly sure what you mean. :confused:

[Michael the Iconographer]

Michael, I understand your sentence but not exactly sure what you mean. :confused:
In the Orthodox Church, when a person signs a cross before his name it means he is a Bishop. Thus for examply my bishop would sign a letter like this "+ Thomas".

[Nichole]

At the beginning of the mentioned link is an icon. What icon is that?