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tonysma
27th February 2007, 08:27 PM
Eve, they came from the ground, dirt.why do people always think of the first race as white. Or Jesus being portrayed as white...

TVS
27th February 2007, 09:06 PM
Well, Jesus was Jewish.. hence the typical relation to white or fair skinned.

As for adam and eve, i dont think anyone truly knows 100%. They could have been any color/race.. infact.. they were all races.. It shouldnt matter in the end.

ArnautDaniel
27th February 2007, 09:20 PM
Look, most of modern Christianity grew in Europe, where people are (you guessed it) white.

People will tend to assume people everywhere look and live more or less the way they do.

If you want to see non-white images of Jesus and the stories in the Bible, look at what contemporary Latin Americans and Africans are doing and making. Jesus and everyone else becomes latino or black.

twistedsketch
27th February 2007, 10:00 PM
Look, most of modern Christianity grew in Europe, where people are (you guessed it) white.

People will tend to assume people everywhere look and live more or less the way they do.

If you want to see non-white images of Jesus and the stories in the Bible, look at what contemporary Latin Americans and Africans are doing and making. Jesus and everyone else becomes latino or black.
I'm not even sure this is limited to contemporary representations. Everyone assumes Jesus was of the same race they grew up in for the most part, and the Gospel has been in Africa for hundreds of years.

ArnautDaniel
28th February 2007, 01:32 PM
I'm not even sure this is limited to contemporary representations. Everyone assumes Jesus was of the same race they grew up in for the most part, and the Gospel has been in Africa for hundreds of years.

Well, in large parts of Africa, realitically Christianity has only been a significant cultural force for the last couple generations.

BustedFlat
28th February 2007, 01:33 PM
I would look to Genesis 6. The world was populated by the sons of Noah. Their names are important and give insight into this question. As for Adam and Eve ... they were created before the fall and therefor they are genetically pure.



Noah is a direct descendant of them (See Luke 3:36-37).


In Christ


BustedFlat

tonysma
1st March 2007, 12:58 AM
As for Adam and Eve ... they were created before the fall and therefor they are genetically pure. (What do you mean they are genetically pure...do you mean without color...or what, please explain.)

VCViking
1st March 2007, 01:02 AM
Eve, they came from the ground, dirt.why do people always think of the first race as white. Or Jesus being portrayed as white...


Why does it matter? God looks on the inside, not the outside.

BustedFlat
1st March 2007, 01:19 AM
As for Adam and Eve ... they were created before the fall and therefor they are genetically pure. (What do you mean they are genetically pure...do you mean without color...or what, please explain.)
There was no repressive genes to be reinforced . Their offspring could interbreed without fear of defects due to an unpolluted gene pool. Within a very short span of generations after the fall the same could not be said.
The amount of melanin in their skin is irrelevant.

cherokeehippie
1st March 2007, 01:24 AM
This cherokeehippie finds it's interesting that:



אדם (ADM - Adam)
We are all familiar with the name "Adam" as found in the book of Genesis, but what does it really mean? Let us begin by looking at its roots. This word/name is a child root derived from the parent דם meaning, "blood". By placing the letter א in front of the parent root, the child root אדם is formed and is related in meaning to דם (blood).

By examing a few other words derived from the child root אדם we can see a common meaning in them all. The Hebrew word אדםה (adamah) is the feminine form of אדם meaning "ground" (see Genesis 2:7). The word/name אדום (Edom) means "red". Each of these words have the common meaning of "red". Dam is the "red" blood, adamah is the "red" ground, edom is the color "red" and adam is the "red" man. There is one other connection between "adam" and "adamah" as seen in Genesis 2:7 which states that "the adam" was formed out of the "adamah".

In the ancient Hebrew world, a persons name was not simply an identifier but descriptive of one's character. As Adam was formed out of the ground, his name identifies his origins.

cavell
1st March 2007, 10:21 AM
Eve, they came from the ground, dirt.why do people always think of the first race as white. Or Jesus being portrayed as white...
Acts 17 : 26 A.V. "and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell upon the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed and the bounds of their habitation"


One blood! Whatever colour the skin. We all have blood in common. I am not a doctor but I would think that we could interchange blood from whatever colour skin.

Notice it also points out "bounds of habitation" This may be the reason for colour difference.

My thoughts

Cris413
1st March 2007, 09:10 PM
The Word doesn't specifically tell us what color Adam and Eve are...so I don't really see any spiritual significance.

But if you look at the question from a geographic or scientific viewpoint, my thoughts would be that Adam and Eve were probably very, very dark skinned.

The location of the Garden of Eden is widely believed to be Ethiopia. If you consider that skin color relatively remains the same in certain geographic areas. Adam and Eve were most likely black.

As people migrated and branched off, natural selection would suggest that certain characteristics would flourish and others would die off in certain geographical locations.

This was the explaination in the documentary I watched "The Original Eve" I thought it was pretty typical that the scientific evidence presented validated what the Bible tells us that we all originated from one woman...but they were quite insistent that this was NOT the Eve of the Bible but just some woman. :doh:

I don't remember the exact number of years they suggested it took to go from black to white (20,000 or 200,000) or how accurate the timetable was but all differences of skin tone in between was relative to the length and direction of the migrations.

The studies in mitochondrial DNA was very interesting. They tested people of African, European, Asian and Native Eskimo origin and found all had the same mitochondrial DNA. They all were related.

Again, I'm not sure how accurate the information is. How much can we really believe anything we see in any television program...but to me their studies proved Creation even if they denied it was Eve of the Bible...gotta love science and again I say :doh: In my opinion true science proves more than it disproves God no matter how much they deny it.

Praise God we walk by faith and not by science!

What is very cool to me is that the Word does not make any divisions regarding skin color...only divisions by faith (pagan, jew, gentile, unequally yoked spiritually and such).

:amen:


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marshgreencohen
1st March 2007, 09:34 PM
if the garden was really in ethiopia as it's believed.then they'll probably be dark skinned.BUT,do you consider ethiopia and the rest of africa that hot during the creation?:)
God bless!

039
1st March 2007, 09:44 PM
If Adam and Eve were as white as the driven snow with blond hair and blue eyes, I don't think it would really matter. They're still human. As the Bible says, there is no Jew and Gentile in Christ's eyes. Concentrating on skin color rather than our humanity is useless.

Edit: Ahhh.. I don't know why I'm adding this... but... the ground's white in the caribbean~! *flee*

Cris413
1st March 2007, 10:53 PM
if the garden was really in ethiopia as it's believed.then they'll probably be dark skinned.BUT,do you consider ethiopia and the rest of africa that hot during the creation?:)
God bless!
I have no idea. I wasn't there then. ;)

I would like to think the sunlight in the Garden of Eden was soft and lovely... but I don't know.

And again the Word doesn't really tell us so I doubt there is much spiritual value in actually knowing.

I was commenting strictly from a hypothetical perspective based on a scientific study I found interesting.

And again....Praise God we walk by faith and not by science.

:amen:

God bless!