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lakis
25th February 2007, 06:07 AM
Why does God allow suffering?


LITTLE Stephen received what he had been hoping for, a visit to Disney World. But only 90 minutes into his visit, and before he could be photographed with Mickey Mouse, one of his favorite comic characters, he died. Stephen suffered from a congenital heart defect. Death hung over his every breath. It took his life before he had the chance to really understand what living was all about. He was only 3 years old.


Why? Why does God let little children like Stephen die? many ask. Where is God when we need him most?
In Borken, Germany, a coal mine explosion snuffed out the lives of 51 miners. They were loving fathers and husbands, dedicated to supporting and maintaining their families. The pain and tragedy of it all was dramatically evidenced by scenes of crying wives and family members, reeling and agonizing over the loss of their loved ones.
Where was God? Why does God allow such terrible disasters to occur? concerned people ask?


Why War?


According to estimates, in World War I more than eight million military personnel were killed between August 1914 and November 1918. Millions of civilians not in direct combat also died. Multiple millions of others suffered painful, debilitating, deforming injuries for life.
World War II occurred in nearly the same area and for some of the same reasons as World War I. The loss of life and incident of mayhem and crippling injuries were staggeringly worse. As the smoke and guns of Word War II, fighting and killing erupted in the Middle East. In other areas of the globe hundreds of local wars have since been fought.


Why does God allow so much suffering? Why does God allow war? Droughts and floods. Crops can't grow. Livestock can't survive. Famine looms over many regions. Why does God allow natural disasters to strike that cause famine and starvation, disease and death? people ask.
Where is God?


Nineteenth century German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche claimed "God is dead." English mathematician and philosopher Bertrand Russell wrote a prodigious amount of verbiage in his Unpopular Essays trying to God never existed, that there isn't a "First Cause," as he states it.


But objective individuals know better. The intricately woven details of the earth's composition and life systems prove a First Cause. The awesome magnitude of our universe with almost unfathomable mass and spans of distances declares it.



God does exist! His creation proves it! "For the invincible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse" (Rom. 1:20). Clearly, as Psalm says: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."


If God exists-and he does-why must the world face devastating heartrending problems? Why has there been so much suffering throughout man's history? Why does God allow such tragedies today?


There is a reason why humans find engulfed in seemingly unsolvable problems. There is a reason why humanity has suffered upheaval and war throughout history. There is a reason why diseases plague the earth despite all of the marvelous technology man has acquired. There is a distinct reason why God does not always intervene to save man from droughts, famines and plagues. Why little children like Stephen prematurely sicken, suffer and die. Why miners perish.


It is time to declare why?


To comprehend why this earth is the plight it is in and why humanity's history has been written in blood and suffering, we must go back to our beginning. The one reliable source available that describes that beginning is the Bible.


Humanity Given a Choice


"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen 1:1), the Bible clearly says. Nothing else makes sense. The great God from another dimension, out of another realm other than the physical one we know, began it all.
Much later he created Homo sapiens. "So God created man in his own image; in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Gen. 1:27). Our original parents were given a first simple rule and the choice to follow it. Along with the choice God warned them of the penalty for making the wrong choice:
"And the Lord God commanded the man saying, 'Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die'" (Gen. 2:16-17, New King James).


Our first parents made the wrong choice! They couldn't resist the temptation of trying out the "tree of knowledge of good and evil." They could have chosen any of the many trees God made available, including the "tree of life" - the symbolic representation of God's way to living that leads to happiness and abundant living now and ultimately eternal life.


Instead they chose "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" that God warned them no to take-the way of hit and miss, some happiness at times, much sorrow and difficulty, and a way of living apart from God that leads to death.


Like Father, Like Son


That's why all of the suffering, war and hardships of the past and why the same today! Just like our first parents, so their descendants as a whole have chosen to reject God, God's ways and what God says.


It is plain!


Each of us has done essentially the same as Adam and Eve, the parents of the present human family. There is not a man or woman in the past or living today who has been able to claim not to have erred: "For all have sinned and come short," as it says in Romans 3:23. We've all disobeyed God's rules: "For sin is the transgression of the law" (I John 3:4).


God Is Not to Be Blamed


We can't blame God for our sins or for the sins of others. "Let no one say when he is tempted, 'I am tempted by God'; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone" (Jas. 1:13, NKJ).


God is aware of what takes place on this earth. He knows the suffering and heartache that is extant. But he does not desire that mankind should live the way people have chosen to live: "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that is cannot save; nor his ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear" (Isa. 59:1-2).


God doesn't want humanity to suffer. He never wanted the human family to suffer. Yet he knew that without suffering we would never learn the full meaning of love. God is love (I John 4:16). He is compassionate, full of mercy, long-suffering and kindness. He cares about you and me.


At the same time God does not want to remove free will and choice. He is not looking to create mindless automatons. Rather, he is in the process of creating like minded beings who are learning to desire and choose his way of life. During this process we humans must learn that our own way, the way of "good and evil," is the way that leads to unhappiness and miseries. God is not to be blamed, by he is responsible for suffering.


Restoring Contact


Though mankind has been essentially cut off from access to God's Holy Spirit, mankind was eventually destined to receive full access to God. Thorough Jesus Christ the Messiah, who obeyed God, unlike out first human parents Adam and Eve, we humans were provided with the opportunity to have contact with God.


Through Jesus Christ we may be completely forgiven, and may receive the gift of eternal life (Rom. 6:23, last half) with God, as members of the God family:
"For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive... And so it is written, 'The first man Adam became a living being.' The last Adam became a life-giving spirit... The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven... And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man" (I Cor. 15:21-22,45,47,49, NKJ).


Jesus came to pay the penalty of death in our stead: "For the wages of sin is death" (Rom 6:23, first half). He tasted death for every man, purging our sins (Heb. 1:3) so that we could become "sons of God (Heb. 2:9-10).


God is watching developments on this earth. He is still keeping hands off and allowing men and women to make their choices-to complete the experience of learning how really wrong are their ways that seem right. God is waiting until sin reaches the full, until the time comes when, if he doesn't step in and intervene, mankind would bring an end to life (Matt. 24:22). Then, at that precise time, God will send Jesus Christ back to this earth as "King of kings and Lord of lords" (Rev. 19:16) to put down man's rule and establish God's government on this earth.


For 1,000 years (Rev. 20:4) God's way of life will bring peace health and prosperity. The "earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea" (Isa. 11:9, second half).


War shall become a thing of the past: "They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more" (Mic. 4:3).


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New_Wineskin
25th February 2007, 08:29 AM
Why does God allow suffering?



LITTLE Stephen received what he had been hoping for, a visit to Disney World. But only 90 minutes into his visit, and before he could be photographed with Mickey Mouse, one of his favorite comic characters, he died. Stephen suffered from a congenital heart defect. Death hung over his every breath. It took his life before he had the chance to really understand what living was all about. He was only 3 years old.


Why? Why does God let little children like Stephen die?


Why is death considered to be a bad thing . It will happen some day .



Where was God? Why does God allow such terrible disasters to occur? concerned people ask?


Those same people would complain about a lack of freedom and being robots if "God" intervened everywhere and in everything that they did or wanted to do .

Artificial Intelligence
25th February 2007, 08:38 AM
Much later he created Homo sapiens. I'm not sure where in the scriptures it says "much later", it says "days". If the writer is referring to theistic evolution, it is simply a theory, not a fact that can be proven in the least. I'll just trust the word of God on this one where He says days since He has proven the bible to be true in other areas such as with fulfilled prophecy which is a validater.

Why is there suffering? Because there is free will. Free will, which can harm not only physically but spiritually by our own choices. God didn't want to create a bunch of drone ants to carry out His tasks, so He gave us free will to choose our own path, be it His path or our own. Adam chose his own path and we received the repercussions of his decision. But this is the same free will, as we were created in his image thus He has free will as well, that this free will God used Himself to receive the suffering on the cross to deliver us from spiritual suffering and one day a resurrection of our bodies which will never suffer as his is risen and perfected even now. To end suffering at this point would be to allow spiritual suffering to continue since those that still choose to follow their own path have not yet been delivered to the saving grace in Christ. Fear not what can befall the body, but fear the things which can befall the soul.

Soon enough though, when the time has come, as He has said, there will be no longer any spiritual or physical suffering in this world, and Christ will reign as King on this Earth for ever and ever.

Trust the scriptures, it is always proven right and never in error.

COD2009
25th February 2007, 04:26 PM
If there was no suffering there would be no compassion

TheCosmicGospel
25th February 2007, 04:41 PM
If there was no suffering:

1) How could God turn us from our sins?

2) How would we know of His comfort?

3) Jesus could not die for us since His death wouldn't mean anything if we had never suffered or seen death before.

4) We would never learn from our mistakes.

5) Our teeth would rot out from never going to the dentist.

6) Heaven? What's that all about?

Cheers,
Cosmic

Artificial Intelligence
25th February 2007, 08:04 PM
Well that is all a result of the fall of course. If man didn't fall than man would not need to suffer. Suffering is a result of sin, or better said the repercussions of the sin nature since the sinless can suffer on account of it. It all comes down to free will of course, God allows suffering because if He didn't than there would be no free will... or all would be rejected and destroyed. God didn't create suffering, it is not a tangible object, it is linked to death which is a result of ones actions, man or Satan created the state of being and the effects of it by sinning against God in the garden of Eden. Man basically adopted the fate of the fallen angels when he fell, though their state is of another nature so a little different being not created from the dust of the Earth.

lismore
25th February 2007, 08:13 PM
God doesnt allow suffering. He sent Jesus to heal and deliver all who were under the devils power, to set the captives at liberty and give sight to the blind.

Acts 10: 38
God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.


1 John 3:8 NIV (http://www.ibs.org/niv/passagesearch.php?passage_request=1 John 3:8&niv=yes)
The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

Jesus has also given us the same commission.

To go and freely give the people God's healing power, his compassion and his mercy to set people free, to be the sons of God (blessed are the peacemakers).

Matthew 10 Jesus said:

7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[b (http://www.ibs.org/niv/passagesearch.php?passage_request=Matthew 10&niv=yes#fen-NIV-23426b)]drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.

Suffering will only be ended when the believers obey this command of our Lord, we have freely received, now we should freely give.

It was God's will to cause Jesus to suffer (Isaiah 53:10) but by his wounds we have been healed. Suffering bye bye!

:wave:

Godslilgurlalways
25th February 2007, 08:18 PM
There was one thing that I heard at a funernal. Is Death a trick or treat?

Death can be looked upon as being a bad thing

Good

*Your no longering living in pain
*Your no longer suffering
*Your free
*No loner living in this sinfu; world
*No more test and trials and alll
*Someone can get saved through your salvation

Bad

*Losing and not being with your love ones
*Them being upset and crying and going through and all

I have personally seen that when you are at a chrstian funeral it is more like a homegoing celebration. Poeple are singing,clapping and prasing God and all. They are thanking God that they made it through the strom and that they are no longer going through. I mean when someone dies people still go through the grieving and accepting process but sometimes it's alittle different. It's comforting at time knowing that they are saved.:)

lakis
26th February 2007, 05:05 AM
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PeppermintTea
26th February 2007, 06:34 PM
If there was no suffering there would be no compassion

I never thought about this :o

I sure wish I had an easy answer to this, age old question~ but I don't.

Artificial Intelligence
26th February 2007, 08:51 PM
But is compassion necessary? I would prefer not to excursive compassion or pity for those that may suffer if being that there were no suffering. To grow in joy, peace and love is not dependant on compassion.

bluemarkus
16th March 2007, 11:11 PM
no pain no gain
no suffering no glory

suffering is only for the moment
afterwards you look back at it with a satisfied heart
like fresh water running over your face on a hot day

buck
17th March 2007, 06:10 AM
God has not rule the earth since his son died on the cross. The world is by humans, and things that happen are caused by us not by God, unless he is calling some
one home to him.
Buck