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aggie03
22nd July 2003, 01:18 AM
I propose a debate between two teams of two members each, an affirmative and a negative team. The debate will be conducted through an alternating series of posts as follows:

1. The affirmative will make an opening statement concluding with the statement, "We therefore affirm that baptism for the remission of sins is necessary for our salvation." This first statement must also include points which will be discussed throughout debate.

2. The negative team will be given a reuttal in which they will conclude with the statement, "We therefore deny that baptism for the remission of sins is not necessary for our salvation."

3. Second affirmative statement.
4. Second negative rebuttal.
5. Third affirmative statement.
6. Third negative rebuttal
7. Fourth affirmative statement
8. Fourth negative rebuttal
9. Fifth affirmative statement.
10. Fifth negative rebuttal.
11. Sixth affirmative statement.
12. Sixth negative rebuttal.

13. Affirmative Closing argument first part.
14. Negative closing argument.
15. Affirmative closing argument second part (only to be used to show where negative offered insufficient evidence on points that are discussed).

Other Points of Interest

1. Each team will have 3 business days to reply to a post made by the opposing team, if a reply is allowed according to the post outline. No posts are to be made on the weekends .

2. Negative may only respond with information or remarks pertinent to points offered by the affirmative (this means negative cannot present any new material which has not been touched on in affirmative statements).

3. After the debate has taken its course the affirmative and negative points will be switched and the debate will be continued with the same rules and outlines. (negative Team will become affirmative team with statement "We therefore affirm that baptism for the remission of sins is not necessary for our salvation).

4. Each team member must post at least twice.

5. Posts are to be kept to a somewhat reasonable length in order to make reading easier for those not involved (this is why there are so many alternating statements!!! :D ).

Debate will begin three days after two teams are found, or the first business thereafter, this is to give the affirmative 3 business days to post their first statement.

If you have any questions PM me about them.

aggie03
22nd July 2003, 01:19 AM
I have a team ready for the affirmative that baptism for the remission of our sins is necessary for our salvation. We are ready to debate as soon as a team for the negative is found :).

Benedicta00
22nd July 2003, 02:02 AM
Oh never mind, negative is against the necessity not for. Sorry.

Knight
22nd July 2003, 08:45 AM
I'd be interested in taking the negative side.

aggie03
22nd July 2003, 09:47 AM
Great :D! So we just need one more person, or did you have a team already for the debate?

Knight
22nd July 2003, 09:51 AM
Nope, whomever is fine with me.

I'm glad you've restricted the debate to the work week as my weekends fill up very fast and I have zero time to be online. Thanks for that.

aggie03
22nd July 2003, 01:24 PM
I understand - I hardly do any posting at all on the weekends - especially Sundays. I've been posting in a few places where someone might be interested in teaming up with you, so we'll see. Hopefully we can start soon! I'm really looking forward to it :) !

Drotar
23rd July 2003, 03:22 AM
Present! Are we talking about soteriology?

Awesome, Knight. A Calvinist. Let's do this.

Drotar
23rd July 2003, 03:23 AM
Someone give me a PM and tell me what to do.

aggie03
24th July 2003, 05:57 PM
The debate has been scheduled to start this coming Monday, the 28th of July with the teams consisting of Gqaggie04 along with aggie03 for the affirmative, and Knight along with Drotar for the negative. The affirmative will have till the end of Wednesday the 30th of July (3 business days) to make their first post. I hope everyone will learn much and enjoy the debate.

Drotar
29th July 2003, 03:55 AM
So what's going on now?

It's July 29th I think. Are we going to do this? TTYL Jesus love syou!

Knight
29th July 2003, 07:59 AM
They've got till the end of the day tomorrow to make their first post. This isn't going to be like the other informal debates on the forums. It's probably going to take a bit longer.

I have two questions though:

1) Where is the debate going to be held? This thread or will a new one be started?

2) Who is going to moderate it?

aggie03
29th July 2003, 04:59 PM
The forum where the debate will start is here: http://www.christianforums.com/f182

As far as moderating is concerned, we've got two options. We can both moderate for each other, this would mean that if the negative would just make sure it is very clear what they are writing against we should have an easy go. Other choice is get someone to moderate for each side. I haven't really thought about posts that violate the rules or leave the presented material. Any suggestions on how to handle that? The only thing I can think of is that if there is a grievance it can be posted so that the other side has one day to address it or ammend the post. Thoughts?

Knight
30th July 2003, 09:25 AM
I think it would be best if a neutral party moderated the debate.

This way neither side can claim they didn't get a fair hearing.

aggie03
30th July 2003, 12:44 PM
well, we've got to find someone that everybody approves of pretty fast :), but I agree that is probably the best thing to do. I'll start looking around and try to get back here with a list of people, if you would like to do the same.

Also, how about a more exact limit on the size of posts? The official limit is 12,000 characters - so how about 6,000 per post for this debate, half of the maximum? Does that agree with everyone? This should keep the posts a little smaller and easier to read for everyone else not actually in the debate.

aggie03
30th July 2003, 12:47 PM
We won't count quoted Scripture as part of the characters for a given post. The more Scriptures that are quoted to support a view the better, I always think - and I really don't want either side to have to cut out Scripture just to make it under the character limit. Sound good?

Knight
30th July 2003, 12:48 PM
Sounds fine.

Knight
31st July 2003, 11:46 AM
Aggie,
Got that first post in right under the wire didn't you?

It came in at 11:48 PM my time.

It will take a day or two for our side to respond. If my math is correct we have until the end of the day Monday to respond. (You did say working days only correct?)

aggie03
31st July 2003, 11:52 AM
Just under the wire - and you're right about your time: Monday at midinght. Oh, and yes, we can only post on working days, so you guys get the weekend to work on it if you don't get it posted before Friday's over.

aggie03
31st July 2003, 12:24 PM
I forgot to close one of the color tags - if you've viewed the post it was in the quote from matthew 7, so I'm going to edit and add in the closing bracket.

Knight
1st August 2003, 11:03 AM
Would it be possible to change the title of the thread to something a little more descriptive of the debate itself? Like, "A Debate on the Necessity of Baptism."


I should have the first negative statement posted by Monday.

aggie03
1st August 2003, 12:07 PM
I tried changing it yesterday when I was changing the bracket that I left out. I don't think there's a way of changing once it's been posted - but if you find a way, let me know and I'll fix straightway to something a tad more descriptuve of what we're talking about.

Knight
1st August 2003, 12:58 PM
Perhaps a mod or an admin could help.

Philip
4th August 2003, 09:53 PM
Perhaps a mod or an admin could help.

Is there still a problem, or has it been fixed?

gqaggie04
4th August 2003, 10:10 PM
The problem has been fixed, but thanks anyways?

Knight
5th August 2003, 03:51 PM
Looks like we need a mod to remove another post that does not belong.

Knight
6th August 2003, 08:54 AM
Now we've got another one.

I realize that these formal debates are new but is it possible that people could read the rules before they post.

BTW, has anybody seen my partner in this debate. He seems to have vanished.

nyj
6th August 2003, 10:01 AM
Now we've got another one.

I realize that these formal debates are new but is it possible that people could read the rules before they post.

BTW, has anybody seen my partner in this debate. He seems to have vanished.

What post? Link to it please.

Knight
6th August 2003, 11:02 AM
ok,
http://www.christianforums.com/t50011


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Philip
6th August 2003, 01:12 PM
Who are the offical participants in this debate?

Knight
6th August 2003, 01:53 PM
Who are the offical participants in this debate?

Myself, Drotar (Though I don't know where he is.), aggie03, and gqaggie04.

Philip
6th August 2003, 02:08 PM
Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for other posters.