Do Protestants believe in the Ten Commandments?

[bella1955]

I was wondering if Protestants believed in the Ten Commandments, especially "KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY". On every answer in the thread pertaining to going to church as is God's Commandment, every one was Protestant and believed in NOT going to church on the Sabbath. What's up with that? You cannot make your own rules like one post read "as long as Jesus is in your heart"...etc...that is not so. Seems only the Catholic posts take the Mass and church seriously. So my question to non-Catholics would be, either a yes or no answer. Do you keep God's comandment of keeping the Sabbath Holy by attending church EVERY Sunday??

[tulc]

Do you keep God's comandment of keeping the Sabbath Holy by attending church EVERY Sunday??

No. And yes. You can attend Church and not be keeping the Sabbath holy. And you can not go to Church on Sunday and still keep it holy. It's not where you sit on Sunday, it's where your heart is. :)
tulc(just something I've learned over time) ;)

[bella1955]

No tulc, that is not true otherwise Christ would not have made that Commandment. Was he talking to himself?? I mean you can't do whatever you want to do. You must go by what Jesus said.

[LightDancer]

See Romans 14:5 for scripture.

Here's the definition of Sabbath: Shabbot

In both Judaism and Christianity, the Sabbath (Hebrew "Shabbat") is a religious day of rest that occurs on the seventh day of the week, Saturday.

Yes, I do want to try to keep Saturday holy and look into the Shabbot, as that is what The Lord is calling me and my family to do.

[tulc]

Was he talking to himself??There's an interesting question. Was He talking to us? Or was the Sabbath ment only for the Jews? :scratch: That's what I believe (after much prayer and searching). :)
tulc(tries to keep every day holy) ;)

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Being in church on Sunday to participate in the communal worship of Word and Sacrament is fundamental to the Christian life.

I see a parallel between the Jewish Shabbat and the Christian Lord's Day, although they are not the same.

The command to observe Shabbat is just that- a command. It is law, and the law condemns because we can never fulfill it in its entirety.

The offer of the gospel through Word and Sacrament on the Lord's Day, however, is also just that- an offer of the gospel. And it is an offer that we cannot refuse, since communal worship through Word and Sacrament is the heart of the Christian life. I can rarely survive a week when I don't partake of Christ's gospel through his body and blood.

[bella1955]

See Romans 14:5 for scripture.

Here's the definition of Sabbath: Shabbot

In both Judaism and Christianity, the Sabbath (Hebrew "Shabbat") is a religious day of rest that occurs on the seventh day of the week, Saturday.

Yes, I do want to try to keep Saturday holy and look into the Shabbot, as that is what The Lord is calling me and my family to do.



Obviously the Ten Commandments are part of Scripture....:scratch:

[LightDancer]

Obviously the Ten Commandments are part of Scripture....:scratch:


Of course.

I meant refer to Romans 14.

Here's Romans 14:5

5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

[IamAdopted]

Every day is to be kept Holy unto the Lord.. Going to church does not mean you are keeping the sabbath Holy. Is this what you are asking?

[bella1955]

But God spoke and told Moses the Ten Commandments. I do not need any other Scripture to tell me anything else. I've heard it from the mouth of God.

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Which of the Ten Commandments says we are to attend Mass every Sunday? Could you quote it for me?

[bella1955]

Every day is to be kept Holy unto the Lord.. Going to church does not mean you are keeping the sabbath Holy. Is this what you are asking?


Oh, it absolutely does mean going to church. Jesus did not say 'KEEP EVERY DAY THE SABBATH HOLY". He said "REMEMBER TO KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH DAY". One day. That's all he wants. This is why I love my Holy Mass. I will not and never cannot miss it. If I am called out of town I will attend in a church elsewhere on Sunday. I will never miss it. My part of being a Catholic, this is what I am grateful for. Thank you Jesus for this gift of receiving you on the Sabbath. :crossrc:

[tulc]

But God spoke and told Moses the Ten Commandments. I do not need any other Scripture to tell me anything else. I've heard it from the mouth of God.

...then what's the problem? If you are convinced then you should do what you feel led to do. What else is there to discuss? :)
tulc(just curious) ;)

[bella1955]

Which of the Ten Commandments says we are to attend Mass every Sunday? Could you quote it for me?

It is the fourth Commandment "REMEMBER THE SABBATH, TO KEEP IT HOLY".

[BigNorsk]

Well if that's the way you want it then do so. The Sabbath Day is the seventh day of the week. If you wish to be under the 10 Commandments, then you better worship on Saturday.

Many Christians have traditionally worshipped on the Lord's Day, Sunday. Sunday is not the Sabbath Day.

Once we live under grace and not under the Law, we receive a continuous Sabbath rest where we do not observe a law concerning a day, but we rest from our labors in the work of Jesus, our true Sabbath which was prefigured by the Sabbath Day of the Old Testament.

If one puts oneself back under the Law then one does not enter the Sabbath rest of Jesus and one threatens their very soul for the Law does not bring salvation but rather condemnation. You cannot perfect what was begun in the Spirit by doing works of the Law.

I realize that's it's confusing for you because the Cathoic church confuses the whole issue by claiming Sunday is now the Sabbath and they changed the Sabbath through their authority. That's just plain old wrong and always has been and always will be.

Come out of the shadow and into the light of grace and you will be free indeed.

Marv

[tulc]

This is why I love my Holy Mass. Ahhh! What happens if I don't attend mass? (which I don't) does that mean I'm not keeping the sabbath holy?
tulc(just wondering)

[LightDancer]

Every day is to be kept Holy unto the Lord.. Going to church does not mean you are keeping the sabbath Holy. Is this what you are asking?

The Sabbath was a day of rest and feasting with family and neighbors. That was it's original meaning. God wanted us to rest, and as another poster said... now we can rest in Him every day, as best as this rough world lets us.

However, the Sabbath Day means the Seventh Day, which is Saturday. :angel: Oh and yes I agree with you IAmAdopted that's why I quoted your post! Thumbs up!

[bella1955]

...then what's the problem? If you are convinced then you should do what you feel led to do. What else is there to discuss? :)
tulc(just curious) ;)


Tulc, the purpose of this whole thread is to see if Protestants obey the Ten Commandments, at least the fourth one by going to church..capice?? :)

[tulc]

It is the fourth Commandment "REMEMBER THE SABBATH, TO KEEP IT HOLY".

uhmmm the Sabbath in the 10 commandments is Saturday not Sunday :sorry:
tulc(just thought that should be mentioned) :cool:

[IamAdopted]

Do I go to church on Sunday.. Well yes I do. Do I walk closely with Jesus every other day as well.. Yes I do.. Do I take a day of rest Well yes I do..

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Tulc, the purpose of this whole thread is to see if Protestants obey the Ten Commandments, at least the fourth one by going to church..capice?? :)

The Fourth Commandment: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy."


Where do you see, "Attend Mass every Sunday" there?


Just wondering...



Thanks!


Pax!


- Josiah



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[bella1955]

You know this is NOT an issue on what day it falls on like many of you constantly keep implying...for God's sake, in the Catholic church we have a Mass every day 3 on Saturday 4 on Sunday. We have sunday as our Sabbath because that is what it is. Now obviously non-Catholics see it another way. That's fine as long as you KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY. I feel like a broken record...:P But I do have a lot of respect for my seperated brethren because they truly love god, even if we don't agree on things. The main thing is Jesus Christ who died for us. We will see when judgement day comes...:angel:

[tulc]

Tulc, the purpose of this whole thread is to see if Protestants obey the Ten Commandments, at least the fourth one by going to church..capice??

Well in point of fact YOU aren't keeping the Sabbath either by attending church on Sunday. :sorry: So I guess you're in the same boat as us Protestants. ;)
tulc(glad to have you with us, care for some coffee?) :)

[bella1955]

The Fourth Commandment: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy."


Where do you see, "Attend Mass every Sunday" there?


Just wondering...



Thanks!


Pax!


- Josiah



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Josiah honey, you don't see the word Trinity or Incarnation in there either, yet we have it as doctrine.
It is what it is. don't try to dissect everything..

[tulc]

But I do have a lot of respect for my seperated brethren because they truly love god, even if we don't agree on things. The main thing is Jesus Christ who died for us.

:amen:
tulc(on that we can agree!) ;)

[LightDancer]

Tulc, the purpose of this whole thread is to see if Protestants obey the Ten Commandments, at least the fourth one by going to church..capice?? :)

The Sabbath was rest from labor, as God rested on the Seventh Day, not the eighth day which is what Sunday is. Capice? Comprende? :angel:

People had to stay in their houses on the Sabbath Day and not do any work or move around at all according to the Pharisees who took it overboard. This is why the Pharisees say to Jesus and the disciples "Look, they are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath!" (Jesus and his disciples were picking corn to eat because they were hungry). And Jesus says to the Pharisees... "If you knew I desire Mercy, not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the innocent..."

Done with lesson one for the day.

[bella1955]

Tulc, you really are funny. Sometimes it's good to have some humor :)

[racer]

Tulc, the purpose of this whole thread is to see if Protestants obey the Ten Commandments, at least the fourth one by going to church..capice?? :)
So what are you asking? If Protestants worship on the Sabbath? Or are you asking if they go to church at all? :scratch:

[IamAdopted]

We gather ourselves together on more occasions than just a Sunday.. Talking of how our walk is going and How Gods word has spoke to us.. We do this in our home on a daily basis too..

[bella1955]

GENESIS 1:31 GOD LOOKED AT EVERYTHING HE HAD MADE, AND HE FOUND IT VERY GOOD. EVENING CAME, AND MORNING FOLLOWED---THE SIXTH DAY.

GEGESIS 2:1 THUS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH AND ALL THEIR ARRAY WAS COMPLETED. 2:2 SINCE ON THE SEVENTH DAY GOD WAS FINISHED WITH THE WORK HE HAD BEEN DOING, HE RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL THE WORK HE HAD UNDERTAKEN. 2:3 SO GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY, BECAUSE ON IT HE RESTED FROM ALL THE WORK HE HAD DONE IN CREATION.

You see here that god made the seventh day Holy. You cannot deny this holy Scripture.

[racer]

GENESIS 1:31 GOD LOOKED AT EVERYTHING HE HAD MADE, AND HE FOUND IT VERY GOOD. EVENING CAME, AND MORNING FOLLOWED---THE SIXTH DAY.

GEGESIS 2:1 THUS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH AND ALL THEIR ARRAY WAS COMPLETED. 2:2 SINCE ON THE SEVENTH DAY GOD WAS FINISHED WITH THE WORK HE HAD BEEN DOING, HE RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL THE WORK HE HAD UNDERTAKEN. 2:3 SO GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY, BECAUSE ON IT HE RESTED FROM ALL THE WORK HE HAD DONE IN CREATION.

You see here that god made the seventh day Holy. You cannot deny this holy Scripture.And the Catholic church, to which you belong, deemed the Sabbath to now be the 1st day instead of the 7th day. So, we ask again, what is your point?

[CaliforniaJosiah]

GENESIS 1:31 GOD LOOKED AT EVERYTHING HE HAD MADE, AND HE FOUND IT VERY GOOD. EVENING CAME, AND MORNING FOLLOWED---THE SIXTH DAY.

GEGESIS 2:1 THUS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH AND ALL THEIR ARRAY WAS COMPLETED. 2:2 SINCE ON THE SEVENTH DAY GOD WAS FINISHED WITH THE WORK HE HAD BEEN DOING, HE RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL THE WORK HE HAD UNDERTAKEN. 2:3 SO GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY, BECAUSE ON IT HE RESTED FROM ALL THE WORK HE HAD DONE IN CREATION.

You see here that god made the seventh day Holy. You cannot deny this holy Scripture.


Okay, so hold Saturday special. That's fine with me.
But what does that have to do with attending Mass every Sunday?


:scratch:



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[racer]

Are you questioning as to whether we obey the Ten Commandments, or if we obey the 4th commandment?

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

GENESIS 1:31 GOD LOOKED AT EVERYTHING HE HAD MADE, AND HE FOUND IT VERY GOOD. EVENING CAME, AND MORNING FOLLOWED---THE SIXTH DAY.

GEGESIS 2:1 THUS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH AND ALL THEIR ARRAY WAS COMPLETED. 2:2 SINCE ON THE SEVENTH DAY GOD WAS FINISHED WITH THE WORK HE HAD BEEN DOING, HE RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL THE WORK HE HAD UNDERTAKEN. 2:3 SO GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY, BECAUSE ON IT HE RESTED FROM ALL THE WORK HE HAD DONE IN CREATION.

You see here that god made the seventh day Holy. You cannot deny this holy Scripture.

Okay, so hold Saturday special. That's fine with me.
But what does that have to do with attending Mass every Sunday?


:scratch:


Seriously...

[bella1955]

It's ok Dave, they want to just go around the question by keep saying the Sabbath is on a certain day, yet they won't answer the question. The more I hear from these seperated brethren, the more thankful I am a roman Catholic.

[bella1955]

Besides, I am all done in this thread. As long as I know the truth and I attend the Holy Mass as Jesus told me to do I have peace in my heart..goodnite.

[PETE_]

It's ok Dave, they want to just go around the question by keep saying the Sabbath is on a certain day, yet they won't answer the question. The more I hear from these seperated brethren, the more thankful I am a roman Catholic.
I think the point they were making is that if they exact day is not essential, then is the exact method essential?

[racer]

It's ok Dave, they want to just go around the question by keep saying the Sabbath is on a certain day, yet they won't answer the question. The more I hear from these seperated brethren, the more thankful I am a roman Catholic.
You know what I think? I think you don't have a clue . . . . :sigh:

[bella1955]

You know what I think? I think you don't have a clue . . . . :sigh:

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[racer]

Took the words right out of my mouth.
Oh, so you admit that you don't have a clue? Should have mentioned that earlier, would have saved us all some time.

***if you are implying that you think I don't have a clue as to what your point is here, I'd just like to say "I sure don't!" I would think that was made apparent to you when I asked you (at least twice) what your point/question was . . . . However, you can't even answer that question for yourself . . . . . . :confused:

[S Walch]

But God spoke and told Moses the Ten Commandments. I do not need any other Scripture to tell me anything else. I've heard it from the mouth of God.

Then I hope you rest between 6pm Friday and 6pm Saturday then, as that's the Sabbath - the 7th day refered to in the 10 commandments.

Lords day doesn't = sabbath.

[tulc]

It's ok Dave, they want to just go around the question by keep saying the Sabbath is on a certain day, yet they won't answer the question. The more I hear from these seperated brethren, the more thankful I am a roman Catholic.

...we did answer the question. :) The fourth commandment is about keeping the Sabbath (seventh day of the week) holy. Since you're so concerned about it we pointed out going to Mass on Sunday isn't really what that Comandment was about. I'm sorry if you felt attacked but looking back over the thread I really can't see why. :scratch:
tulc(doesn't like to give offense) :sigh:

[S Walch]

And oh, to answer your question:

Yes, I do keep the Sabbath set-apart, and I do rest on it.

Now the question is, do you?

From your posts, the answer seems to be no, you don't actually keep the 4th commandment at all.

I'll say it again, the Sabbath doesn't = Sunday/the Lords Day.

Edit: Also, SDA's also keep the 4th commandment. So do Messianic Jews.

[dave90]

You know what I think? I think you don't have a clue . . . . :sigh:


If we Are All Born Ignorant, then why do you remain?

please continue to witness to us, catholics put our beliefs down the way only you know how, please....please.:swoon:

[KJVisTruth]

Bella, praying for you!

[CaliforniaJosiah]

As long as I know the truth and I attend the Holy Mass as Jesus told me to do I have peace in my heart..


Okay...


Then the point of this thread still excapes me.



Pax, my good friend.


- Josiah

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Sabbath DOES NOT = Sunday!!

The Sabbath is Saturday. That is the day commanded to be set apart!

Fourth commandment DOES NOT APPLY, Bella.

And do I follow it for Saturday? Yes. I hold a shabbat service on Friday dusk with the Messianic Jews on campus and abstain from work until Saturday dusk.

DO YOU?

[Rion]

I think this is basically a snub at Protestants for asking questions regarding Catholics. I hope it's not...

If it isn't, then yes, we do.

[PETE_]

I find the statement about protestants quite humorous. One of the few things we agree on is holding weekly services and that has somehow become an arguement with you in this thread. The simple answer is that we believe in the ten commandments.

[bella1955]

I find the statement about protestants quite humorous. One of the few things we agree on is holding weekly services and that has somehow become an arguement with you in this thread. The simple answer is that we believe in the ten commandments.

But that wasn't my question. My question was do you keep the Sabbath holy? Do you attend church as Jesus instructed by His Commandments? If it was so "simple" as you say, there wouldn't be multiple pages.

[PETE_]

But that wasn't my question. My question was do you keep the Sabbath holy? Do you attend church as Jesus instructed by His Commandments? If it was so "simple" as you say, there wouldn't be multiple pages.
Do you keep God's comandment of keeping the Sabbath Holy by attending church EVERY Sunday??

How do deal with passages such as this?

Matt 12:10-12
10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
KJV

Luke 6:2-5
2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;
4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
KJV

Luke 13:14-16
14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.
15 The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?
16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
KJV

John 9:16
16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
KJV


Even Christ was accused of not keeping the Sabbath holy.

[SnowLover]

I just searched the entire Douay-Rheims (official Catholic bible) to make sure. I looked up every instance of church in it. Nowhere does it say go to church on sunday. It says to keep the sabbath holy like all the bible versions do.

Where are you getting this from bella? that's pretty much what we need to know. What passages?
Not trying to get on your case. I support your stance that a going to church should be an intregral part of every christians life.

I believe going to church on sunday is a good thing not a bad thing. Its just not a required thing.

[JosephSmith]

bella1955 please explain this to me this one.
catholic version of the 10 commandments.
1. I am the Lord, your God. You shall have no other gods besides Me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor.

The actually 10 commandments.
EXODUS 20
2. "I am the Lord your God. who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of th house of bondage.
3. "You shall have no other gods before Me."
4 "you shall not make for your selfs any carved image-any likeness of anything that is in heaven above ,or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For i the lord your God, Am a jealous God, Visiting the iniquity of the father upon the childern to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me.
6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep my commandments.
7 "You shall not tke the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain."
8 "remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy".
9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work, ect
11 sabbath still
12 Honor your father and mother ect
13 You shall not commit adultry.
14 You shall not steal.
15 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
16 You shall not covet ect ect ect

[ChristDiver]

But that wasn't my question. My question was do you keep the Sabbath holy? Do you attend church as Jesus instructed by His Commandments? If it was so "simple" as you say, there wouldn't be multiple pages.


The Holy day is Saturday the Sabbath Day not Sunday which has been changed by the uninformative & misleading churches nowadays.

Sabbath

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://www.reference.com/go/http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights) - Cite This Source (http://www.reference.com/cite.html?qh=Sabbath&ia=wiki)



In the Bible (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Bible), the Sabbath is a weekly religious day of rest as ordained by one of the Ten Commandments (http://www.reference.com/go/http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments%23Christian_understanding): the third by Eastern, Roman Catholic (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Roman_Catholic) and Lutheran (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Lutheran) numbering, the fourth by other Protestants (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Protestant). The Hebrew (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Hebrew_language) word ("šhabbat", שַׁבָּת, Strong's H7676 (http://www.reference.com/go/http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl?word=07676)) means "the [day] of rest (or ceasing)", as it entails a ceasing or resting from labor. The institution of the Old Testament (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Old_Testament) Sabbath, a "perpetual covenant ... [for] the people of Israel" (-NRSV), was in respect for the day during which God (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/God) rested after having completed the Creation (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Creation_%28theology%29) in six days: , , .
Originally denoting Saturday, the seventh day of the week, or, more precisely, the time period from Friday sunset to Saturday nightfall, the term "sabbath" can now mean one of several things, depending on the context and the speaker:

Saturday, as originally, in reference to Jewish or historical observance;
Saturday, the day that Jesus and his disciples observed;
Saturday, as above, as a day of observance for some Christian groups;
Saturday evening and Sunday, as the day of observance for Roman Catholics and other Christian groups;Exodus 20:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2&chapter=20&verse=10&version=9&context=verse)
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exodus 31:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2&chapter=31&verse=16&version=9&context=verse)
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Mark 2:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=48&chapter=2&verse=27&version=9&context=verse)
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

Colossians 2:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=58&chapter=2&verse=16&version=9&context=verse)
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

Peace be with You !!!

Gerry

[amishparadise]

If it was so "simple" as you say, there wouldn't be multiple pages.

Sure, there would, because people love to hear themselves spout opinion. I'm no exception; and it seems like you enjoy a robust amount of discussion, too.

To conflate church attendance with the keeping holy of the Sabbath may not be totally apt- while church attendance is vital to worship and fellowship, there are, as has been elegantly stated earlier in this thread, many ways to devote a Sunday to the restful worship of God.

I think, in general, this is usually best done by church attendance. I don't, however, agree with the Catholic Church's assignment of mortal sin status to the missing of even one Mass. This, I think, is legalism. An RCIA student like myself should probably not feel that way, but, I'd be dishonest not to admit as much...:blush:

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Do you attend church as Jesus instructed by His Commandments?


I'm still waiting for the verses where Jesus said we must attend Mass each Sunday...

[tulc]

But that wasn't my question. My question was do you keep the Sabbath holy?Yes.

Do you attend church as Jesus instructed by His Commandments?...you haven't shown that He did command it. :)

If it was so "simple" as you say, there wouldn't be multiple pages.Well we're still trying to understand what you mean when you say "keep the Sabbath holy" :sorry: Since in the 10 Commandments the Sabbath is Saturday, and you want us to go to mass on Sunday instead. Now you may think we're straining at gnats but we're just trying to explain what you're asking isn't quite jibbing.
tulc(still plugging away here) :)

[MikeMcK]

I was wondering if Protestants believed in the Ten Commandments, especially "KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY"

Yes, they do. Baptists do, too.

For more on this, check out wotmradio.com. They talk quite a bit about the Ten Commandments.

...Do you keep God's comandment of keeping the Sabbath Holy by attending church EVERY Sunday??

No. First of all, the Bible tells us that the Sabbath was only a shadow of the coming Christ. Now that Christ has come, it tells us, He is our Sabbath, our rest.

Second, I think you're a day late. Under the Old Covenant, Saturday was the Sabbath, not Sunday. So, even if we went to church every Sunday without fail, we still wouldn't necessarily be honoring the Sabbath.

[£amb]

I was wondering if Protestants believed in the Ten Commandments, especially "KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY". On every answer in the thread pertaining to going to church as is God's Commandment, every one was Protestant and believed in NOT going to church on the Sabbath. What's up with that? You cannot make your own rules like one post read "as long as Jesus is in your heart"...etc...that is not so. Seems only the Catholic posts take the Mass and church seriously. So my question to non-Catholics would be, either a yes or no answer. Do you keep God's comandment of keeping the Sabbath Holy by attending church EVERY Sunday??

I caught this thread alittle late. I was a poster on that thread, and I never made a remark about it being okay with not going to church. I don't think it was quite fair to lump everybody up and say we all had the same response towards that OP. Here was my response to that thread again:

I attend my Sunday School class and do enjoy being there. That's where I receive my encouragement. I'm with people who also want to learn God's word, to encourage each other, and to pray for one another.

We got to remember that our churches are not full of perfected people, but sinners. I'm not sure what you have found discouraging, but our focus should be serving God and serving others. I know I'm guilty of having a "receive as much as I can" attitude, and not offering to encourage or help another person because I don't want to get involved with their problems/concerns.


We also got to remember that we aren't there to just receive encouragement, but to give it as well. Is this an issue that you have expressed to your parents?



:)


I take the Sabbath very seriously. I do attend church and would suggest for every believer to be involved within their church. There are some people who aren't able to such as my mom. She is still recovering from radiation treatments, and is unable to sit up for long periods of time because of her feeling unwell. I'm not making this post to argue, but just wanted to make it clear that not all protestants such as myself made the same answer that was claimed.

God Bless! :)

[mysterychristian]

Is this whole website run by Catholics?:scratch:

[tulc]

(it really is a lot of work trying to talk to Protestants).

Well we aren't trying to be difficult, we just assumed you wanted to discuss this with us. So that's what we were doing, discussing. :)
tulc(who does actually wear jeans all the time) ;)

[tulc]

Is this whole website run by Catholics?

Uhmm no, why would you think that? :scratch:
tulc(just curious) :)

[VCViking]

You know what I think? I think you don't have a clue . . . . :sigh:


Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read this. LOL!

[HisKid1973]

Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read this. LOL!

When was the last time you washed your monitor?

[David Brider]

Oh, it absolutely does mean going to church. Jesus did not say 'KEEP EVERY DAY THE SABBATH HOLY". He said "REMEMBER TO KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH DAY". One day. That's all he wants.

Erm...no.

He wants considerably more than one day.

He wants our whole lives.

What we do in our church meetings in our church buildings for a couple of hours a week is a very very tiny part of that. It's an important part of it - as the writer of the letter to the Hebrews reminds us, we shouldn't give up meeting together - but it is only a part.

And in answer to your original question, I do my best to keep every day I live holy to the Lord, and to live in a manner befitting that - including, but not limited to, meeting with my fellow Christians on Sunday morning for a couple of hours.

And I realise this is repeating what others have said, but a.) "Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy" isn't the same as "Remember the Sabbath and attend mass on it", and b.) The Sabbath is technically Saturday (or really technically from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday) - the early Christians adopted Sunday as the day on which they met for fellowship and teaching, but that doesn't make it the same thing as the Sabbath.

David.

[David Brider]

And I don't wear jeans like most of you do.

God has a dress code? He kept that one quiet...

David.

[S Walch]

Oh noes! I wear jeans!

I'm puuuuure eeeevilll!

Please Bella - So what if you don't wear jeans?

[HisBelovedMelody]

what the heck did jeans have to do with anything??? I am SO amused by this thread. I found it hysterical! Several people answered the question..yet it wasn't good enough...and when confronted with the truth, dear Bella got upset! DUH! Going to church doesn't make one a christian anymore than sitting in a garage will make you a car! YES, I DO go to church...YES, I DO believe in the 10 commandments..just to answer your question...ALL days are holy if we are living a holy life to GOD!! Think about that one for a while.

[racer]

God has a dress code? He kept that one quiet...

David.
Hm . . . . sounds more like she's Pentecostal Holiness or Mennonite . . . . women of those faiths don't wear "men's apparel . . . . ."

[HisBelovedMelody]

Hm . . . . sounds more like she's Pentecostal Holiness or Mennonite . . . . women of those faiths don't wear "men's apparel . . . . ."
NO, she is Catholic, or at least by her icon she is..and what she said!

[racer]

NO, she is Catholic, or at least by her icon she is..and what she said!
Yeah, I know she's RC. But, it's the first time I've heard of women of faiths other than the one's I mentioned not wearing jeans . . . . . ?

[IamAdopted]

wearing Jeans? Does God look at the outward part of man or does God look at the inward part of a man? We can all dress nice and look our best but if our hearts are far from the Lord then what good would that do us?

[ChristDiver]

wearing Jeans? Does God look at the outward part of man or does God look at the inward part of a man? We can all dress nice and look our best but if our hearts are far from the Lord then what good would that do us?


I believe God Prefers me to wear Holy wranglers with nice clean t-shirt. But then again when I wear Levis my prayers get answered quicker. :scratch:

jk

^_^

Blessing to All !!!

Gerry

[HisBelovedMelody]

I get what ya'll are saying. I was wondering the same what clothes had to do with the price of eggs! That just cracked me up...scrambled my brain a bit....*snicker...

[Rion]

So, if someone cannot afford nice clothes to attend church, they shouldn't attend at all...? :scratch:

I missed the part where Christ said all of the elect were rich in worldly goods. That certainly explains Peter and John fishing in designer robes. How could I have missed it before? :doh:

[NeoGRizzly]

Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.



where dose the bible say "the first day of the week is the lords day?"

[S Walch]

Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

where dose the bible say "the first day of the week is the lords day?"

"The Lords Day" has been another name for Sunday for many many many many MANY years now.

[bella1955]

There are a lot of wise guys on this thread...not surprised. My friends, I DO NOT wear jeans to church out of RESPECT for my Lord. I dress every Sunday very nice. I wouldn't be caught dead in jeans in church. You know, Guy doud the Protestant turned Catholic was the one who said his church was "blue jeans preferred". Even he saw the Holy Catholic church and it's members dressed mostly in suits and ties, and nice clothing. Again, it is called RESPECT. Get it?

[S Walch]

Perhaps you should take some of your own advice when you talk to your fellow bretherin.

And wow, you dresss nice for church?

Big whoop.

Perhaps you'd like to have a go at me for dying my hair black instead of keeping it the natural colour God created my hair with. Maybe I'm "disrespecting" Him.

Please, God doesn't care about your outward appearance when your insides are full of rotting flesh and bones (Matthew 23:27-28).

I very much see the Pharisitical spirit within you, Bella.

[bella1955]

You wear what you want, I'll go with respect. We Catholics have great respect for Jesus Christ. We take the Holy Mass very seriously. Thank you Jesus :crossrc:

[HisBelovedMelody]

You wear what you want, I'll go with respect. We Catholics have great respect for Jesus Christ. We take the Holy Mass very seriously. Thank you Jesus :crossrc:
I see religion is greatly respected. BUT the LORD looks on the heart. GOOD thing. I would rather my kids, or anyone show up in jeans and hear about the Lord than be a hypocrite and turn them away and not hear the message. Think about that while you are up there on your high horse looking down.

[S Walch]

You wear what you want, I'll go with respect. We Catholics have great respect for Jesus Christ. We take the Holy Mass very seriously. Thank you Jesus :crossrc:

I too have great respect for the Messiah.

And I realise that He wants my heart, not my pants.

[HisBelovedMelody]

I too have great respect for the Messiah.

And I realise that He wants my heart, not my pants.
LOL, amen. Our hearts and purity towards Him is what He wants..not the religious jargon that some would think is becoming. GOOD point.

[IamAdopted]

So now that you have asked about us protestants believing in the commandments may I ask you if you do Bella?

[KJVisTruth]

Respect is earned, not by how you dress.

:doh:

[Rion]

Bella, would you look down upon someone if they came to your church dressed in pants? How would your church react?


Now tell me, if this person is poor and cannot afford to buy "nice" clothes, is your answer any different?

[IamAdopted]

Catholic
Ten Commandments
I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day.
Honor thy Father and thy Mother.
Thou shalt not kill.

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.



You shall have no other Gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

You shall not murder.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s."

Why are these different?

[Rion]

Asked my Catholic friend. Cause they place 1&2 together of ours. We put 9&10 together on theirs. In the actual text, it's the same. They just seperate different than we do.

[£amb]

There are a lot of wise guys on this thread...not surprised. My friends, I DO NOT wear jeans to church out of RESPECT for my Lord. I dress every Sunday very nice. I wouldn't be caught dead in jeans in church. You know, Guy doud the Protestant turned Catholic was the one who said his church was "blue jeans preferred". Even he saw the Holy Catholic church and it's members dressed mostly in suits and ties, and nice clothing. Again, it is called RESPECT. Get it?


So....do I get a prize for being Protestant, wearing skirts/dresses to church and respecting God? :)





Thank you God for judging our hearts and not our clothes.....:prayer:

[David Brider]

You wear what you want, I'll go with respect. We Catholics have great respect for Jesus Christ. We take the Holy Mass very seriously. Thank you Jesus :crossrc:

There's more to respect than the way we dress.

Indeed, it's possible to dress very smartly, but to have no respect.

On the other hand, it's possible to be wearing rags, and to be very respectful indeed.

Just a thought.

David.

[IamAdopted]

Asked my Catholic friend. Cause they place 1&2 together of ours. We put 9&10 together on theirs. In the actual text, it's the same. They just seperate different than we do.
Um No because they have omitted one..I just wondering why that is?

[sunlover1]

Here is the reason for the Sabbath, it was for a sign of a covenant between God and the children of Israel.

Exodus 31:16-17
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Here's what happened if you so much as picked up firewood:
Numbers 15:32-35
32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

This is what all of these people are trying to explain to you.
You yourself do not keep the Sabbath unless you rest and do absolutely nothing, not even clean up after the dog in the back yard.
And no making meals:

Exodus 16:23
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

(And Sabbath wasn't on Sunday, it was the Seventh Day)


You go to church on Sunday.
This is very nice for you.
But Jesus did not tell us to go to church on Sunday.
So when you ask if others go to church like Jesus commanded, you are asking a question that cannot be answered.

He didn't command it. As hard as that may be for you to believe, he didnt' say it.

Hope that helps,
sunlover

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by bella1955 http://www3.christianforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=31133622#post31133622)
You wear what you want, I'll go with respect. We Catholics have great respect for Jesus Christ. We take the Holy Mass very seriously. Thank you Jesus :crossrc:
That is nice and I even noticed the catholics an etiquette site on how to dress. :)

http://catholicism.about.com/cs/theology/ht/massetiquette.htm


Understanding how to act or knowing what to do during a Catholic Mass can be frustrating especially if you never attended one. Here are some suggestions on what you can do when you attend.

[Jimlarmore]

And oh, to answer your question:

Yes, I do keep the Sabbath set-apart, and I do rest on it.

Now the question is, do you?

From your posts, the answer seems to be no, you don't actually keep the 4th commandment at all.

I'll say it again, the Sabbath doesn't = Sunday/the Lords Day.

Edit: Also, SDA's also keep the 4th commandment. So do Messianic Jews.

There is a Seveth-day-Catholic church in Oklahoma City. Also there are the 7th day baptists, the world wide church of God and several more I can't name right now that keep God's command to observe and celebrate the 7th day of the week as Shabbot.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is a Seveth-day-Catholic church in Oklahoma City. Also there are the 7th day baptists, the world wide church of God and several more I can't name right now that keep God's command to observe and celebrate the 7th day of the week as Shabbot.

God Bless
Jim LarmoreWhen and if I ever convert to Judaism, then I will observe the Jewish Sabbath. :)

[Jimlarmore]

When and if I ever convert to Judaism, then I will observe the Jewish Sabbath. :)

There were no Jews in the garden of eden when the Sabbath was created. If you are saved and finally go to your reward in the earth made new you will keep the Sabbath as well. Read Isa 66:22-23 where the Bible makes it plain that we will come before God each Sabbath in the new earth.

So if we observed the Sabbath in Eden before sin entered the world and we see here that we will keep it after the sin problem is resolved . Why do we think it's not necessary now? Coming into the rest of God is a precious and wonderful blessing.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

[linssue55]

I was wondering if Protestants believed in the Ten Commandments, especially "KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY". On every answer in the thread pertaining to going to church as is God's Commandment, every one was Protestant and believed in NOT going to church on the Sabbath. What's up with that? You cannot make your own rules like one post read "as long as Jesus is in your heart"...etc...that is not so. Seems only the Catholic posts take the Mass and church seriously. So my question to non-Catholics would be, either a yes or no answer. Do you keep God's comandment of keeping the Sabbath Holy by attending church EVERY Sunday??

IF we are filled with the spirit, in fellowship we are living under Grace, which the commandments are included in. When filled, we are abiding by ALL of Gods mandates.


There is a moment-by-moment Sabbath for the Church Age. In the Church Age we do not have a Saturday Sabbath. That didn’t work too well, the Jews didn’t learn anything from it. So in the Church Age, since every believer is a priest, God beefed it up. He gave us a moment-by-moment Sabbath, the faith-rest technique. This is also a principle by which the believer enters into the supergrace life. So the moment-by-moment Sabbath or the faith-rest technique is the growing stage, and then the annual Sabbath - taking a Sabbatical year — is supergrace.


7. Illustrations of the moment-by-moment Sabbath or the dynamics of faith-rest. a) Abraham in Romans 4:17-21; b) Moses at the Red Sea — Exodus 14:10-14; c) The bones of Joseph in Hebrews 11:22; d) Caleb and the giants - Numbers 13 and 14 cf. Joshua 14:6-14; 15:14; Judges 1:20.

The Lord gives us one day at a time, therefore we worship everyday. My church practices this everyday with the congregation.

So during the Church Age Saturday is out. Not only is Saturday out but so is every seventh year and the year of Jubilee. The Sabbath is all over. Now we are starting all over and so we start with the first day of the week, Sunday, the day the Church began. That is what for the last two-thousand years most people observe Sunday. Once you start assembling on Sunday you pick up on doctrine and you find out that you must regard every day as a gift from God, every day is to be regarded alike, every day is the Sabbath in the church age, not for rest but for worship.

EVERY DAY in the church age, we are to worship the Lord by learning bible doctrine, everyday. But, the special days are always the days when a nation has won its victories in battle. Why? Because it is the military that provides freedom for a nation and no nation ever had freedom apart from its military, that is a divine law.

So..........

Col.2:16-17~~Consequently, STOP allowing (don't listen to them) anyone to judge you in eating and drinking, or in the matter of a feast, or of the new month, or of the Sabbaths.

[tulc]

Uhmmm linssue55? I'd like to agree with you, and I think I get what you're saying right up to here:
EVERY DAY in the church age, we are to worship the Lord by learning bible doctrine, everyday. But, the special days are always the days when a nation has won its victories in battle. Why? Because it is the military that provides freedom for a nation and no nation ever had freedom apart from its military, that is a divine law. (emph. added)and right there I got lost. :sorry: care to explain?
tulc(sort of confused) :sigh:

[Ino]

This is the funniest thread ever!!!
I got very confused after the first page, but it sure kept me entertained. God must be laughing at us right now... at least I hope He's laughing...

Bella55: I don't think you started this thread to learn, I believe you are looking for an argument. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it seems like.

No, I don't attend church every sunday or wear my best clothes when I do.

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus http://www3.christianforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=31147333#post31147333)
When and if I ever convert to Judaism, then I will observe the Jewish Sabbath. :)
There were no Jews in the garden of eden when the Sabbath was created. If you are saved and finally go to your reward in the earth made new you will keep the Sabbath as well. Read Isa 66:22-23 where the Bible makes it plain that we will come before God each Sabbath in the new earth.

So if we observed the Sabbath in Eden before sin entered the world and we see here that we will keep it after the sin problem is resolved . Why do we think it's not necessary now? Coming into the rest of God is a precious and wonderful blessing.

God Bless
Jim Larmore:eek: Everyday was a Sabbath in the Garden :)

Thanks, but I will just wait for the new "land/heaven" after it is purified. :)

Matt 23:33 `Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?

Ezekiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse/purify the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD.

[united4Peace]

There are a lot of wise guys on this thread...not surprised. My friends, I DO NOT wear jeans to church out of RESPECT for my Lord. I dress every Sunday very nice. I wouldn't be caught dead in jeans in church. You know, Guy doud the Protestant turned Catholic was the one who said his church was "blue jeans preferred". Even he saw the Holy Catholic church and it's members dressed mostly in suits and ties, and nice clothing. Again, it is called RESPECT. Get it?
Whoa!! I dress nice also!!
I wear Jeans, nice shirts, blouses, sweaters(not sweatshirts -but if I do so what , some are very pretty), in the summer I wear nice shorts, capris, and again nice tops, and sandals or whatever.
Who say's Im not dressed nice?
Furthermore Bella, A question for you and only you...

If someone came in off the street, a man or women that wrecked of pee, had ripped clothing, dirty clothing, were dirty themselves, would you move in disgust?
Do you think people like that shouldnt be allowed to come into the churches because they show a lack of respect to God?
What about if a drugged up prostitute or some druggie came in and sat next to you, again, would you move?
(No the person isnt acting all funny-but the way they are dressed and murmuring one can just tell).
Should they be allowed in God's house to Worship? Again there is that lack of respect, they way they are dressed and all.
What kind of dress codes should be allowed? When should the Church turn people away because of the way they are dressed?

[Jimlarmore]

:eek: Everyday was a Sabbath in the Garden :)

I respectfully disagree. If you read the language in the original texts it says the 7th day was sanctified ( which is set aside for Holy use ), the other days were for dressing the garden and caring for the paradise of God.


Thanks, but I will just wait for the new "land/heaven" after it is purified. :)

That's entirely your purogative. God certainly gave you the choice to serve Him or not as well as to whether or not you will obey His commandments. No man should ever judge you for your decisions.

God Bless you
Jim Larmore

[united4Peace]

That is nice and I even noticed the catholics an etiquette site on how to dress. :)

http://catholicism.about.com/cs/theology/ht/massetiquette.htm


Understanding how to act or knowing what to do during a Catholic Mass can be frustrating especially if you never attended one. Here are some suggestions on what you can do when you attend.

Clothing: People should try to wear their best to Church. Dressing conservative is the key. Men are not required to wear a shirt and tie. Woman should wear a dress, skirt, or slacks. Tank tops and mini skirts are not appropriate.

http://catholicism.about.com/cs/theology/ht/massetiquette.htm

haha, I dont think or hope anyways most wouldnt wear a tanktop or miniskirt to Church ;)
If they did I wouldnt say anything though as they have everyright to be there, maybe one day they'd feel embarrassed though and cover up abit :D

[Rion]

Um No because they have omitted one..I just wondering why that is?
http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=2&ch=20&l=14&f=s#x

Yeah, it's the same.


2 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me:

[Iron Sun 254]

I'm sorry, bella, but if you're actually trying to claim that every Roman Catholic attends church every Sunday you're either confused or being dishonest.

Take this example to understand.

Person 1, attends church every Sunday dressed in the nicest of clothes and spends the rest of their Sunday watching TV.

Person 2, volunteers every Sunday at a homeless shelter and because of the schedule, often misses church and even when they make it, they're not dressed very nice.

Which of these people is truly honoring God?

[linssue55]

Uhmmm linssue55? I'd like to agree with you, and I think I get what you're saying right up to here:
and right there I got lost. :sorry: care to explain?
tulc(sort of confused) :sigh:Means without the military protecting us (we would have been taken over long ago) we would not have our precious freedom to learn about the Lord everyday. Instead we would be prisoners to our invaders, like the Jews were for 400 years. God bless our military.

[LittleLambofJesus]

Means without the military protecting us (we would have been taken over long ago) we would not have our precious freedom to learn about the Lord everyday. Instead we would be prisoners to our invaders, like the Jews were for 400 years. God bless our military.Having 2 large oceans on each side of us kind of helps also. :D

[Kristin364]

Wow this thread is intense. Why is the original question aimed at protestants? I know a LOT of Roman Catholics who do not attend church every Sunday (or Saturday, whatever). I know a LOT of Protestants who attend church EVERY WEEK without fail. I don't think that there is any substance to this discussion.

[Eila]

I respectfully disagree. If you read the language in the original texts it says the 7th day was sanctified ( which is set aside for Holy use ), the other days were for dressing the garden and caring for the paradise of God.

God Bless you
Jim Larmore

In the creation story the 7th day was the only day where the end isn't specified. Like it is for other days like day 6 '31And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day."

I don't think you will find any record in Genesis that anyone other than God rested on the 7th day.

[LittleLambofJesus]

In the creation story the 7th day was the only day where the end isn't specified. Like it is for other days like day 6 '31And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day."

I don't think you will find any record in Genesis that anyone other than God rested on the 7th day.That is my view.

1 And the heavens and the land are being finished/kalah and all hosts of them.
2 And 'Elohiym is finishing/kalah in Day, the Seventh, work/m@la'kah of Him which He makes/`asah, and He is ceasing/shabath in day of the seventh from all of work of Him which He makes/`asah
3 And 'Elohiym is hallowing Day of the Seventh, and He is hallowing him, that in him He ceases/shabath from all work of Him which 'Elohiym creates/bara', to make/`asah.

[tulc]

Means without the military protecting us (we would have been taken over long ago) we would not have our precious freedom to learn about the Lord everyday. Instead we would be prisoners to our invaders, like the Jews were for 400 years.
Ahhh! ok I think I get it now (not sure I agree but that would be another thread! :)

God bless our military.
:amen:
tulc(on that we agree!) ;)

[linssue55]

Having 2 large oceans on each side of us kind of helps also. :DAhhh yes, but God put those oceans there for that exact reason.;)

[bella1955]

I'm sorry, bella, but if you're actually trying to claim that every Roman Catholic attends church every Sunday you're either confused or being dishonest.

Take this example to understand.

Person 1, attends church every Sunday dressed in the nicest of clothes and spends the rest of their Sunday watching TV.

Person 2, volunteers every Sunday at a homeless shelter and because of the schedule, often misses church and even when they make it, they're not dressed very nice.

Which of these people is truly honoring God?

Ironsun, how would you know? Your not a Catholic! And yes, all Catholics I know, and in which I see the same faces EVERY Sunday attend church in their nicest of clothes out of respect for our Lord. Our churches are packed and we have Mass 4 times on a Sunday and twice on Saturday. You can volunteer any other day of the week. Christ prefers you to attend Mass on Sunday whether you acknowledge this or not. Remember, "KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY", and we Catholics do exactly that..

[S Walch]

But as explained to you UMPTEEN times this thread Bella - The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.

Alow me to repeat that so you can't say no one hasn't made it quite clear to you:

The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.


Now, is that clear for everyone reading the thread?

Yes? Good.

[linssue55]

But as explained to you UMPTEEN times this thread Bella - The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.

Alow me to repeat that so you can't say no one hasn't made it quite clear to you:

The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.
The Sabbath is a Saturday, not a Sunday.


Now, is that clear for everyone reading the thread?

Yes? Good.


God gives us one day at a time in this church age. There is no saturday or sunday (the first day of our week) in the church age. We are to learn and worship doctrine everyday. Churches should teach everyday of the week.



THE SABBATH IS EVERYDAY!!!

[S Walch]

The Sabbath is everyday?

Sorry, scripture disagrees.

[Eila]

The Sabbath is everyday?

Sorry, scripture disagrees.

In Hebrews 4 when it is talking about Sabbath rest it mentions that Today is the day of rest.

"4For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS"; 5and again in this passage, "THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST."
6Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,
7He again fixes a certain day, "Today," saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,
"TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS."
8For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
9So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God."

Our Sabbath rest is everyday now!!

[tulc]

THE SABBATH IS EVERYDAY!!!

uhmmm not in the 10 commandments it isn't, it's from sundown friday to sundown saturday. :)
tulc(yelling wont change that) ;)

[RED that's ME]

When we stand before God on Judgement day, will he be asking did you wear your very best clothes to church? I don't think so. You cannot show ONE scripture text that says a woman must only wear a skirt/dress to church. The sad thing is some (hypocrites) who pushes that, dress immodestly other days during the week and thinks it's ok. :sigh: (not saying you do)

God will be asking though, did we have the clean & pure heart he commands, did we love our brothers & enemies as ourselves, (more scripture that deals with that than dress) did we share the gospel of Christ with others & did we encourage, exhort others in their walk with Christ.

What you are asking, is a question that the Jewish leaders (Pharisees) asked of Jesus. It was about the law/rules with them, when there is sooo much more to it. Being a christian is soooo much more than rules but a true relationship with God & living life daily that's pleasing and honoring to him. It's also about sharing the gospel of Christ with others and encouraging others in their walk with Christ.

Instead of asking if a person goes to church on a certain day or wear a certain type of clothing, how about encouraging them in their walk with Christ.

[tulc]

When we stand before God on Judgement day, will he be asking did you wear your very best clothes to church? I don't think so. You cannot show ONE scripture text that says a woman must only wear a skirt/dress to church. The sad thing is some (hypocrites) who pushes that, dress immodestly other days during the week and thinks it's ok. :sigh: (not saying you do)

God will be asking though, did we have the clean & pure heart he commands, did we love our brothers & enemies as ourselves, (more scripture that deals with that than dress) did we share the gospel of Christ with others & did we encourage, exhort others in their walk with Christ.

What you are asking, is a question that the Jewish leaders (Pharisees) asked of Jesus. It was about the law/rules with them, when there is sooo much more to it. Being a christian is soooo much more than rules but a true relationship with God & living life daily that's pleasing and honoring to him. It's also about sharing the gospel of Christ with others and encouraging others in their walk with Christ.

Instead of asking if a person goes to church on a certain day or wear a certain type of clothing, how about encouraging them in their walk with Christ.

One of the best posts on CF!! :clap:
tulc(well said!) ;)

[linssue55]

The Sabbath is everyday?

Sorry, scripture disagrees.Sorry, but scripture does agree! Or is it just that some christians do not want to spend that much time on the word?.......everyday?


There is a moment-by-moment Sabbath for the Church Age. In the Church Age we do not have a Saturday Sabbath. That didn’t work too well, the Jews didn’t learn anything from it. So in the Church Age, since every believer is a priest, God beefed it up. He gave us a moment-by-moment Sabbath, the faith-rest technique. This is also a principle by which the believer enters into the supergrace life. So the moment-by-moment Sabbath or the faith-rest technique (rest in the Lord) is the growing stage, and then the annual Sabbath - taking a Sabbatical year — is supergrace (maximum doctrine resident in the soul of believers only through everyday learning and applying His word).

7. Illustrations of the moment-by-moment Sabbath or the dynamics of faith-rest. a) Abraham in Romans 4:17-21; b) Moses at the Red Sea — Exodus 14:10-14; c) The bones of Joseph in Hebrews 11:22; d) Caleb and the giants - Numbers 13 and 14 cf. Joshua 14:6-14; 15:14; Judges 1:20.

[linssue55]

uhmmm not in the 10 commandments it isn't, it's from sundown friday to sundown saturday. :)
tulc(yelling wont change that) ;)You are in the OT, this is the church age.

[S Walch]

Sorry, but scripture does agree! Or is it just that some christians do not want to spend that much time on the word?.......everyday?

Erm, that's technically not what the Sabbath day is.

Nothing about studying scripture in Exodus 20.


There is a moment-by-moment Sabbath for the Church Age. In the Church Age we do not have a Saturday Sabbath. That didn’t work too well, the Jews didn’t learn anything from it. So in the Church Age, since every believer is a priest, God beefed it up. He gave us a moment-by-moment Sabbath, the faith-rest technique. This is also a principle by which the believer enters into the supergrace life. So the moment-by-moment Sabbath or the faith-rest technique (rest in the Lord) is the growing stage, and then the annual Sabbath - taking a Sabbatical year — is supergrace (maximum doctrine resident in the soul of believers only through everyday learning and applying His word).

7. Illustrations of the moment-by-moment Sabbath or the dynamics of faith-rest. a) Abraham in Romans 4:17-21; b) Moses at the Red Sea — Exodus 14:10-14; c) The bones of Joseph in Hebrews 11:22; d) Caleb and the giants - Numbers 13 and 14 cf. Joshua 14:6-14; 15:14; Judges 1:20.

And sorry, none of those Scriptures talk about everyday being the Sabbath.

In the Church Age we do not have a Saturday Sabbath. That didn’t work too well, the Jews didn’t learn anything from it.

Neither did Deuteronomy 6:5 (Love the LORD your God with all your heart, soul and strength) and Levticius 19:18 (Love your neighbour as you love yourself), yet I doubt you have anything against those OT comands, do you? :)

[linssue55]

"One day at a time" concept in the Christian way of life (Rom.
14:5,6).

Taking in doctrine daily (Psa. 119:97),
in every twenty-four-hour period.

The doctrine of a day at a time

1. The believer with the maximum doctrine and supergrace life learns to regard every day alike — Romans 14:5,6. He regards every day as from the Lord, it is a grace gift given to him as an assignment, as part of an allotment. The purpose of that day is to purchase it with Bible doctrine.


2. Only the believer has the grace provision to purchase that day — Ephesians 5:15-18. The supergrace life gives perfect purchase of every day. John 14:26; 16:12-14; 1 Corinthians 2:9-16.


3. Every day we as believers in phase two live that day as a gracious gift from God. The only time we possess in which we can honour God is the number of days God has graciously provided for us in time — Psalm 90:12; James 4:13-15.


4. The fact that the believer lives another day on the earth is a sign of divine grace and faithfulness — Lamentations 3:22,23.


5. God has provided soul capital in the form of Bible doctrine for the believer to purchase each day — Jeremiah 15:16; Matthew 4:4.
6. Every day, therefore, becomes a special day in phase two — John 11:9,10.


7. Each day in phase two the believer must avoid mental attitude sins which produce self-induced misery — Proverbs 27:1. These same mental attitude sins characterise reversionism, especially those stages including 4, 5, 6. 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 cf. Psalm 102:1-3.


If you still don't believe this then THAT is between you and the Lord. I do not know how? anyone? can learn anything from a pastor ONLY one day a week......this is also common sense. But I know there are many lazy pastors and christians out there. Selah!

[S Walch]

"One day at a time" concept in the Christian way of life (Rom.
14:5,6).

Taking in doctrine daily (Psa. 119:97),

in every twenty-four-hour period.

If you still don't believe this then THAT is between you and the Lord. I do not know how anyone can learn anything from a pastor ONLY one day a week......this is also common sense. But I know there are many lazy pastors and christians out there. Selah!

I never said anything against studing scripture daily - but studing scripture isn't what the Sabbath is.

I have no issue with your "daily doctrine" thingy, but that isn't what the Sabbath is, sorry.

[tulc]

You are in the OT, this is the church age.Uhmmm actually the thread is about the 10 Commandments, and how we Protestants are required to attend Church on Sunday, otherwise we aren't obeying the 10 Commandments. It's been pointed out to the thread starter that the Sabbath in the 10 Commandments is on Saturday not Sunday. I have taken the position that my salvation isn't based on where I sit on Sunday but where my heart is, during the rest of the week. I try and keep every day holy, not just one day. :)
tulc(if we're going to discuss something, we should know what the other persons position is) ;)

[tulc]

So in the Church Age, since every believer is a priest, God beefed it up. He gave us a moment-by-moment Sabbath, the faith-rest technique. This is also a principle by which the believer enters into the supergrace life. So the moment-by-moment Sabbath or the faith-rest technique (rest in the Lord) is the growing stage, and then the annual Sabbath - taking a Sabbatical year — is supergrace (maximum doctrine resident in the soul of believers only through everyday learning and applying His word).

...uhmmm any chance of repeating this in normal English? I mean I think I get what you're saying but the "religious-speak" is a little confusing. :sorry:
tulc(just trying to understand) :)

[linssue55]

Uhmmm actually the thread is about the 10 Commandments, and how we Protestants are required to attend Church on Sunday, otherwise we aren't obeying the 10 Commandments. It's been pointed out to the thread starter that the Sabbath in the 10 Commandments is on Saturday not Sunday. I have taken the position that my salvation isn't based on where I sit on Sunday but where my heart is, during the rest of the week. I try and keep every day holy, not just one day. :)
tulc(if we're going to discuss something, we should know what the other persons position is) ;)You live your own life as unto the lord, I cannot live it for you. Like I said we are in the church age, NO 10 comm......this is the dispensation of Grace.

Grace replaced the law. If you still live under the law, God say's you will never be able to fullfill it.

Mosaic Law.........


Paul takes one aspect of the Mosaic Law and beats the Galatians over the head with it.


1~~ O stupid/asinine Galatians!
Who has hypnotized you?
Before whose eyes {the mind's eye of the Galatians}
Jesus Christ has been publicly displayed crucified among you!
Then starting at 3:10 Paul explains that if you want to
stay "under the law" you continue to be cursed by the law. And,
that seems to be the status of your friends:
10~~ For as many as are
under the works of the law
are under the curse {of the Mosaic Law}.
For it is written {Deuteronomy 27:26},
"Cursed be all ones
that fail to keep on abiding in ALL things (not just the 10 comm),
which are written in the book of the law to do them".
{Note: Break one Mosaic Law and you are guilt of breaking them all - Deuteronomy 27:26 - which is part of the Mosaic Law. To be saved by WORKS you must be PERFECT! And, only Christ fulfilled the Mosaic Law. "I do not come to break the law, but to fulfill it."}
11~~ But that no one receives justification
in the sphere of the law in the sight of God . . . evident.
For, the justified ones shall live out of the source of faith/doctrine.
12~~ And the law is not of faith/doctrine {Leviticus 18:5},
"But, the man that having done them,
shall live, in the future, in them."
13~~ Christ has once and for all
redeemed us out from the curse of the law,
(for it is written {Deuteronomy 21:22-23},
"Under a curse is every one
who keeps on hanging on The Wood")
having become a curse for us.
That passage is pretty clear that Christ has taken us "out from" being under the curse of the Law.
Mostly in Hebrews it talks about the higher law - such as living
not just the Sabbath as to God, but everyday as unto the Lord.
The doctrine of the Mosaic law


It is very important to understand the recipients of the Mosaic law. They can be divided into three very simple points. a) It was given to Israel — Exodus 19:3; Leviticus 26:46; Romans 3:19; 9:4; b) It was not given to the Gentiles — Deuteronomy 4:8; Romans 2:12-14; c) Christians — Church Age believers — are not under the law. It was not given to the Church. It is not an authorizing agent for any part of the royal priesthood, family — Acts 15:5, 24; Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:19.


Christ is the end of the law for the royal family, for Church Age believers, for the royal priesthood — Romans 10:4. And in effect there is a conflict between the royal priesthood of the believer and the former Levitical priesthood. The conflict is resolved by the annulment, the abrogation of the law. The law is not in function today.

Believers of the Church Age, members of the royal family under a higher law. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the badge of royalty. The filling of the Holy Spirit is the fulfillment of the higher law, the superseding law, the law which nullifies the Mosaic law — Romans 8:2-4; Galatians 5:18, 22, 23; 1 Corinthians chapter 13.


The recipients of the law was the nation Israel — Exodus 19:3; Leviticus 26:46; Romans 3:19; 9:4. It was definitely not given to the Gentiles — Deuteronomy 4:8; Roman 2:12-14. It was, furthermore, not given to the Church — Acts 15:5,24; Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:19.

Jesus Christ and the law. Jesus Christ kept the law perfectly during the period of His incarnation. This is a part of the doctrine of impeccability, it is also a part of His patriotism. Christ condemned the legalistic distortions of the law and the Pharisees who sponsored them. Christ fulfilled the law — Matthew 5:17, and Christ is the end of the law for believers — Romans 10:4.

Keeping the law is also not spirituality. Believers in the Church Age and/or the royal family of God are under the higher law of spirituality related to God the Holy Spirit, (1 John 1:9) — Romans 8:2-4; Galatians 5:18,22,23; 1 Corinthians 13.


a) It cannot justify — Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:20,28; Acts 13:39; Philippians 3:9.

b) It cannot give life — Galatians 3:21.

c) It cannot provide the Holy Spirit — Galatians 3:2.

d) It cannot solve the problem of the old sin nature — Romans 8:4.

Romans 6:10-14 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

[linssue55]

...uhmmm any chance of repeating this in normal English? I mean I think I get what you're saying but the "religious-speak" is a little confusing. :sorry:
tulc(just trying to understand) :)See post 124, there are many verses to help explain. :)

[reddogs]

The

[tulc]

You live your own life as unto the lord, I cannot live it for you. Like I said we are in the church age, NO 10 comm......this is the dispensation of Grace.


You aren't arguing with me, you're agreeing with me. :)
tulc(trying again) ;)

[markbelieves]

Wow...what a thread. LOL.

Bella, God bless you for attending service every week, on Sunday or Saturday, whichever day you go.

I was a RC for about 40 years. Our membership size was about 4,000 and there were about 1,500 to 2,000 that attended each week. I would agree with your statement that you typically see the same faces every week. There were some that were off and on though. But noting that the same faces were there every week means that the same 2,000 to 2,500 were not going to service any Sunday. These are the people that had the church bursting at the seams every Christmas and Easter.

I wish I could say my current church was different, but I won't be dishonest and say it is.

To answer your question (I think it is your question anyway??) I do attend service every Sunday. This is the only day of the week my current church holds service.

But from your posts you seem to imply that all Roman Catholics attend service every week, but this is not true, and I am sure that even you know that. You also imply that all Roman Catholics attend service wearing only suits and dresses...I assure this was not true at any of the Catholic churches I attended. Rather, it was a mix...some dressed up some in jeans, etc. I noticed the priest never wethheld communion from them so I guess he felt they were respectful enough.

On a parting note, remember that the bible speaks often about the dangers of pride. You might want to look at those parts of Scripture again.

Peace and Grace,

Mark

[linssue55]

I never said anything against studing scripture daily - but studing scripture isn't what the Sabbath is.

I have no issue with your "daily doctrine" thingy, but that isn't what the Sabbath is, sorry.


The sabbath WAS the day of rest, I get that. The sabbath does NOT apply to us today because it has been REPLACED by grace.

We are to see everyday as the same, meaning ie: we can go to church everyday, work everyday, eat everyday, scrub floors everyday, rest everyday, do ANYTHING we want.....everyday. This is GRACE. This is the entire point I am trying to get across. The verses posted explain this, all one has to do from there use their imagination as treating ALL DAYS the same and deciding what THEY want to do in that day. I do hope you understand this now. :scratch:

The law was a curse.......

Then starting at 3:10 Paul explains that if you want to
stay "under the law" you continue to be cursed by the law. And, that seems to be the status of your friends:


10~~ For as many as are
under the works of the law
are under the curse{of the Mosaic Law}.
For it is written {Deuteronomy 27:26},
"Cursed be all ones that fail to keep on abiding in ALL things, which are written in the book of the law to do them".
(impossible for man to do.....Christ came to fullfill the law, he was perfect....HE could, he had no old sin nature).




The ONLY way to ABIDE ALL of God's mandates (this includes the 10 comm) is to be FILLED with the spirit, NOT carnal, in fellowship......1 John 1:9. NOW we are fullfilling ALL of what the Lord know's as righteous. This is grace. NOW we are fullfilling something that the law could NEVER do. The POWER of the holy spirit working through us now can ONLY produce divine good.

I truly believe that today the people that do NOT use grace today, are constantly hitting their head against the wall TRYING to abide by the 10 comm (energy of the flesh).

IF they do this all of their life, they have the great possibily of becoming neurotic and/or psycotic believers, never grasping this wonderful grace.

Scripture is CLEAR about the law as a curse (human works) instead of grace (divine good). :)

[Jimlarmore]

The sabbath WAS the day of rest, I get that. The sabbath does NOT apply to us today because it has been REPLACED by grace.

So does grace say it's ok to murder or comit adultery or steal? The Bible says if we break one we are guilty of them all , James 2:10. The moral law which is the ten commandments were definetely part of the old covenant where the law was written on tables of stone but in the new covenant the laws are written on our hearts. That means the laws of God are still very much in force and in effect and are now intimately inside our souls. Additionally, grace can only work in light of the law. Grace is only necessary if the law is in effect and force. We are not under the law for salvation but the whole world will be judged by the moral law of God.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

[tulc]

So does grace say it's ok to murder or comit adultery or steal?
uhmmm I hope not. :sorry:

The Bible says if we break one we are guilty of them all , James 2:10. The moral law which is the ten commandments were definetely part of the old covenant where the law was written on tables of stone but in the new covenant the laws are written on our hearts. That means the laws of God are still very much in force and in effect and are now intimately inside our souls.
isn't that why Jesus calls us to a deeper commitment then just observing the outward Law? We are not just to NOT do something we are called TO something we don't just not commit adultry we also seek purity of mind, we don't just keepONE day holy we try and keep ALL of them holy, see the difference? The Sabbath isn't just Friday sundown to Saturday sundown our Sabbath is our whole life.
Additionally, grace can only work in light of the law. Grace is only necessary if the law is in effect and force. We are not under the law for salvation but the whole world will be judged by the moral law of God.
Soooo Abraham wasn't saved by a form of Grace? There were no righteous people before Moses came down that mountin? :scratch:
tulc(just some thoughts before my evening coffee) :)

[Eila]

So does grace say it's ok to murder or comit adultery or steal? The Bible says if we break one we are guilty of them all , James 2:10. The moral law which is the ten commandments were definetely part of the old covenant where the law was written on tables of stone but in the new covenant the laws are written on our hearts. That means the laws of God are still very much in force and in effect and are now intimately inside our souls. Additionally, grace can only work in light of the law. Grace is only necessary if the law is in effect and force. We are not under the law for salvation but the whole world will be judged by the moral law of God.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

The Sabbath was a ceremonial commandment and not moral. If a Christian follows the law of love they will not kill or steal.

[freeindeed2]

Tulc, the purpose of this whole thread is to see if Protestants obey the Ten Commandments, at least the fourth one by going to church..capice?? :)
Nobody obeys the 10 commandments! Nobody ever has and nobody ever will. If we did or could, there would have been no need for Christ to come, for we could have been justified by the law given to Israel.

The 4th commandment was the sign of the covenant God made with Israel at Mt. Horeb (Sinai). But the old covenant has faded away (been made obsolete) and all believers are under a new and better covenant.

"The law no longer holds you in its power, because you died to its power when you died with Christ on the cross. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead." Rom 7:4

We law has nothing to say to those who died, and we were not raised in order to be joined to the law again (what would be the point) but to be united with Christ!

"So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus." Rom 8:1

The law has nothing to say to those who have been credited with Christ's righteousness through faith. They have been declared 'not guilty' by Christ himself. His Spirit lives in them as a guarantee and there is no power anywhere that can separate them from his love.

Does man in sinful flesh 'OBEY' the 10 commandments. NO! And he/she never will. That's why we needed a Savior in the first place. Praise Jesus for his righteousness.:amen:

[Jimlarmore]

The Sabbath was a ceremonial commandment and not moral. If a Christian follows the law of love they will not kill or steal.

I disagree, morality is intimately linked to selfish acts as is any sin. God set aside the Sabbath as a holy day for communion with His Divine nature and to not only rest our bodies physically but spiritually as well. If we turn away from that commandment for selfish reasons then we are going against the will of God which makes it immoral and a sin.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

[Jimlarmore]

Nobody obeys the 10 commandments! Nobody ever has and nobody ever will. If we did or could, there would have been no need for Christ to come, for we could have been justified by the law given to Israel.

The 4th commandment was the sign of the covenant God made with Israel at Mt. Horeb (Sinai). But the old covenant has faded away (been made obsolete) and all believers are under a new and better covenant.

"The law no longer holds you in its power, because you died to its power when you died with Christ on the cross. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead." Rom 7:4

We law has nothing to say to those who died, and we were not raised in order to be joined to the law again (what would be the point) but to be united with Christ!

"So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus." Rom 8:1

The law has nothing to say to those who have been credited with Christ's righteousness through faith. They have been declared 'not guilty' by Christ himself. His Spirit lives in them as a guarantee and there is no power anywhere that can separate them from his love.

Does man in sinful flesh 'OBEY' the 10 commandments. NO! And he/she never will. That's why we needed a Savior in the first place. Praise Jesus for his righteousness.:amen:

The new covenant says God puts His laws which are the ten commandments intimately into our hearts. So they are just as much in force as they ever were. Can we keep the ten commandments? To say no means we are denying the power of Christ in our lives. Yes we can keep them with the power of Christ but if it's not perfectly then the grace He gives us will cover us. However, when we sin we are to confess our sin and repent of it. There is a huge difference between an occasional fall or slip and turning away completely. To say the law is done away with is not only not Biblical it's heresy. Those who will be ready to meet the Lord when He comes back will be those who keep the commandments of God.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

[Jimlarmore]

isn't that why Jesus calls us to a deeper commitment then just observing the outward Law? We are not just to NOT do something we are called TO something we don't just not commit adultry we also seek purity of mind, we don't just keepONE day holy we try and keep ALL of them holy, see the difference? The Sabbath isn't just Friday sundown to Saturday sundown our Sabbath is our whole life.

The Shabbot calls us to come aside and rest, so every day cannot be a Shabbot. The commandment that gives us this truth tells us that six days shall you labor and do all your work but the 7th day is the Sabbath. It goes on to point out that the Sabbath is essentially a memorial of creation.

Soooo Abraham wasn't saved by a form of Grace? There were no righteous people before Moses came down that mountin? :scratch:
tulc(just some thoughts before my evening coffee) :)

Hope you enjoyed it, do you like capucinno? I have a weakness for coffee and have given it up but I always loved capacinno ( ms ).

Salvation has always been by faith and grace even in old testament times. The commandments were given because of sin but we know from texts like Gen 26:5 that the ancients were fully aware of the laws and commandments of God. There is also strong evidence that the sacrificial system was instituted right after sin came into the word. All of the sacrificial system pointed to Christ and it was a shodow of His coming sacrifice that the sinner placed his faith in, not the innocent lamb itself that was slain. The Bible says without the shedding of blood there is no remission for sin. So Christ took our place and died the death we deserve to satisfy the requirements of the law.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

[Eila]

I disagree, morality is intimately linked to selfish acts as is any sin. God set aside the Sabbath as a holy day for communion with His Divine nature and to not only rest our bodies physically but spiritually as well. If we turn away from that commandment for selfish reasons then we are going against the will of God which makes it immoral and a sin.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

What selfish reasons are people espousing here? Are you not promoting circumcision because you are selfish? Are you not wearing tassels on your clothing because you are selfish? Are you not keeping the feasts because you are selfish?

Everyday is a Sabbath with God. We don't need one day a week to commune with His divine nature. He is in us and we are in Him.

Galatians 2:20 "20I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me."

[Jimlarmore]

What selfish reasons are people espousing here? Are you not promoting circumcision because you are selfish? Are you not wearing tassels on your clothing because you are selfish? Are you not keeping the feasts because you are selfish?

Everyday is a Sabbath with God. We don't need one day a week to commune with His divine nature. He is in us and we are in Him.

Galatians 2:20 "20I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me."

1 John 3:4 says that sin is the transgression of the law then goes on to list two of the ten commandments and calls them "the law of liberty." To comit sin one has to act in a selfish way, ,,,,, always. It was selfishness and pride that caused Lucifer to sin and become satan. The ceremonial laws like circumcision and sacrifices of Israel were nailed to the cross and were a shadow of things to come . However, the law of liberty or the ten commandments are like a mirror pointing us to the cross where we can receive grace and pardon for our sins. To ascribe to the idea that the law is done away with is to also ascribe to grace being gone and done away with. Grace is only necessary if the law is broken and sin exists. One cannot exist without the other.

The Sabbath was instituted before sin entered the world in Eden and it will be here in the new heavens and new earth after sin is gone read Isa 66:22-23. God wants us to celebrate the 7th day Sabbath as a sign of loyalty to Him. He also commanded us to work for six days, not that we can't worship Him on other days but only one day is the Shabbot.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

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I do agree that God wants His people to rest one day in seven. However the Bible clearly teaches that not all will be convicted that what is sin for one may not be sin for another. I cannot tell how another is being convicted by the Spirit, so I may not know if they are in sin or not.
I myself, have never felt convicted that my worship on Sunday was wrong, though I have been convicted for not setting aside that time for Him. We should all be sensitive to His leading, but confident that we are under grace and therefore free from the penalty of the law. It is more important to know Christ than to follow the law perfectly.Trying to be perfect will not help us know Christ, but knowing Him will change us and make us more like Him.

[freeindeed2]

The new covenant says God puts His laws which are the ten commandments intimately into our hearts. So they are just as much in force as they ever were. Can we keep the ten commandments? To say no means we are denying the power of Christ in our lives. Yes we can keep them with the power of Christ but if it's not perfectly then the grace He gives us will cover us. However, when we sin we are to confess our sin and repent of it. There is a huge difference between an occasional fall or slip and turning away completely. To say the law is done away with is not only not Biblical it's heresy. Those who will be ready to meet the Lord when He comes back will be those who keep the commandments of God.

God Bless
Jim Larmore
One question Jim. Do you keep and obey the basic 10 commandments? If not, then you are guilty of breaking the entire law, which means you deserve death.

Why does it sound like you turn to the law for your justification? Righteousness comes from Jesus, not from law keeping. The new covenant is not the old covenant, the hear of which is the 10 commandments, also known as the ministration of death (2 Cor. 3). It condems us.

That's why we must die with Christ in order that we are released from the law, so we can be raised with him and joined to another (Christ himself), Rom. 7. Why would we want to die to the law only to be married to it again and Christ at the same time. That's spiritual adultery.

If you actually keep the law, you might have a leg to stand on. But since I know you don't (because no one is good, not even one), you're in the same boat the rest of humanity is in. We are all sinners in need of a Savior. Jesus is that Savior, not the law that can only condemn us. Accept his works and his righteousness.

[Jimlarmore]

I do agree that God wants His people to rest one day in seven. However the Bible clearly teaches that not all will be convicted that what is sin for one may not be sin for another. I cannot tell how another is being convicted by the Spirit, so I may not know if they are in sin or not.
I myself, have never felt convicted that my worship on Sunday was wrong, though I have been convicted for not setting aside that time for Him. We should all be sensitive to His leading, but confident that we are under grace and therefore free from the penalty of the law. It is more important to know Christ than to follow the law perfectly.Trying to be perfect will not help us know Christ, but knowing Him will change us and make us more like Him.

I agree totally, however, I feel the more we know Him the more we will want to please Him. Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. We don't keep the commandments to be saved we keep them by His grace and love because we are saved. There is a big difference. The law could never save anyone but the law will certainly condemn us if we intentionally break it claiming it's no longer in effect.

This idea of it's ok to break the law of God because we are under grace is pointed out very well in Jude 4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of God into lasciviousness and denying the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ." Lasciviousness is translated as a license to sin.

Satan knows the only thing that will keep us out of the kingdom is sin. This idea of grace abolishing the law of God leads us right back into the sin Christ died to save us from. Additionally, when we say no one can ever keep the law of God we are denying the power of God's Son to cleanse us from all unrighteousness 1 John 1:9. We can never keep the law for salvation but if we are saved we should rather die than to