Messianic View of Revelation

[Pray4Isrel]

What is your general interpretation of the events in Revelation?
For example are you pre-trib, post-trib, no-trib ;)
And if you'd like, you can approach the subject of Revelation any angle you want (you don't have to just discuss the trib views)

[Talmid HaYarok]

More post-trib than anything else. Thats just my interpretation of it and I think it fits with precedence in the Bible. Didn't vote as I'm not too firm in any of the beliefs.

But I also think the Lord will suprise us all and that Revelation is largely meant to be a guide in hindsight and not in foresight. Some Prophecies are for knowing the future, some are for knowing when the future has come.

[Ruhama]

ha, well said. I agree with you there Talmid.

P4I - which events in particular are you referring to? I think some in there are pre-trib, some are trib and some post-trib, but I may be misinterpreting your question.

[Pray4Isrel]

Oh I apologize, pre-trib, post-trib, etc. according to the Rapture... if you believe in the Rapture.
My bad. :sorry:

[Rafael]

The two witnesses are here now - Judah and Ephraim.
The abomination of desolation is here and now - the Dome of the Rock. It was built 688AD. Add to it the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 (which would be 1271.5, using the Jewish year of 360 days) and you get the time that the Dome of the Rock was being built by Abdl el Malik - governor.
Calculate the 42 months of Revelation 11:2, and you get 1278.34 days. Add this to 688AD and you get 1967AD - the year that the Jews ruled Jerusalem for the first time in 2573 years, the Six Day War.
This means that the time of the Gentiles trodding on Jerusalem is fulfilled and soon to be over, and Yeshua is soon to reclaim and restore the houses of Israel.

[Pray4Isrel]

Interesting stuff.
I personally believe the two witnesses will be Moses and Elijah.

[3a144,000]

Interesting stuff.
I personally believe the two witnesses will be Moses and Elijah.

I agree that representatives of the two witnesses are Moses (co-author of the Torah,(i.e., the law, right-ruling, covenant) and Eliyah (i.e., the prophets, testimonies),
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20 (KJV)
If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore. Psalm 132:12 (KJV)
Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. Isaiah 8:16 (KJV)
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commandments of Elohim, and possessing the witness of Yahushua Messiah. Rev. 12:17

I beleive Daniel and Revelation work hand in hand and that not all of the end-time prophecies are completely filled yet. Take Acts 3:21 for example.
"(Messiah) Whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters of which Elohim spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old."
We haven't seen all matters restored yet. But they are in the process of being restored. I have a fasinating video on the finding of the "Ark of the Covenant" by Ron Wyatt. It points out that the temple service of the Most Holy place has been fulfilled...Christ's blood was sprinkled on the mercy seat when the soldier pierced His side. This understanding is awesome that every minute detail is and will be fulfilled!
I believe that the truth about His sacred name is being restored. And that His appointed assemblies are also being restored. I believe that He is bringing to the forefront all falsehoods, and the truth about the harlot of Revelation, that we will be able to make intelligent choices about who we want to serve.
I do not believe in a "rapture' as conjured up in the fiction novel (this is a great clue as to its validity) Left Behind. In this novel, written to make money and be entertaining, the entire concept of end time events were manufactured from two or three Bible texts which were split off into two manufactured time periods. The main Bible text used was:
[15]For this we say to you by the word of the Master, that we, the living that are left over at the coming of the Master shall in no way go before those who are asleep.[16] Because the Master Himself shall come down from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the chief messenger, and with the trumpet of Elohim: and the dead in Messiah shall rise first:[17] Then we, the living who are left over, shall be caught away together with them in the clouds, to meet the Master in the air: and so we shall always be with the Master. 1 Thes. 4:15-17.
"Caught away together with them in the clouds" is the line that the enitre "rapture theory" is based on. But let's look at this text again concentrating on verse 16: "Because the Master Himself shall come from heaven with a SHOUT, with THE VOICE OF THE CHIEF MESSENGER, and with the TRUMPET of Elohim..." that doesn't sound like a secret to me. This is where the rapture theory makes a split in the Word.

"For yourselves know very well that the day of Yahushua comes as a thief in the night. [3] For when they say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." 1 Thes. 5:2-3 (KJV) Here Paul is not saying that our Blessed Redeemer will come silently but rather unexpectedly (as a thief) and suddenly.

"But the day of YHWH will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with intense heat, the earth also and the works that are in it shall be burned up." 2 Peter 3:10 This doesn't seem to be any secret program to me.

It is sudden and unexpected just, " as it came to be in the days of Noah, so also shall it be in the days of the Son of Adam. [27] They were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah went into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. [28] And likewise, as it came to be in the days of Lot; they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying , they were selling, they were planting, they were building,[29] But on the day Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and sulfur from heaven, and destroyed all. [30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." Luke 17:26-30
Where is this secret rapture that the "fiction novel" writes about? I don't want to disappoint anyone but there are no such words as "secret rapture" to be found anywhere in Scripture. In Matthew 24:24 Yahushua told us that Satan's deceptions would be so subtle and powerful that they would fool the "very elect were it possible." The "elect" are those ready for the return of Yahushua Messiah.
That is why this "rapture" theory is so lethal. It gives one the false notion that there will be a seven year period after the "secret rapture" in which the rest of the world will have time to get ready for the really big show. But those who were not ready the first go around will find there is no second chance. Instead we are told, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." Rev. 22:11 (KJV)
We are to let the Great Silversmith refine us in the fire of trials and tests now to make us fit for the New Kingdom. When He comes (which by the signs of Revelation and Daniel is very soon, praise His Name) there will only be one chance. And we must have the seal of YHWH in our foreheads before that time comes.
We are Spiritual Israel, "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all." Col. 3:11 "You also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a set-apart priesthood, to offer up spiritual slaughters, offerings acceptable to Elohim through Yahushua Messiah." 1 Peter 2:5
Those left behind at His coming are DEAD...not waiting for the big show. Read Matthew 24:43,44. Acts 14:22 and John 16:33 tells us we will go through tribulation. We are not going to miss it. But our Almighty Provider promises our food and water are sure, a canopy to protect from the burning sun and never to allow us more than we are able to bear. Praise His wonderful Name.:clap:

[simchat_torah]

I think that Talmid hit it right on.

omein achi.

[SonWorshipper]

3@1 I agree with you on almost every point. I believe we will be protected, as Noah and his family were, as Lot and his family were ( although his wife looked back to she in mourning for what she felt she was leaving ( sin) and instantly died) taken out, protected we will be. I think HaSatan's greatest deception is this rapture theory, to fool as many as he can, to drag as many down with him as he can.

I just bought a book at the Messiah conference about the ( A) Messianic prospective on Revelation and will be happy to share about what I am reading here so long as anyone is interested.

[3a144,000]

3@1 I agree with you on almost every point. I believe we will be protected, as Noah and his family were, as Lot and his family were ( although his wife looked back to she in mourning for what she felt she was leaving ( sin) and instantly died) taken out, protected we will be. I think HaSatan's greatest deception is this rapture theory, to fool as many as he can, to drag as many down with him as he can.

I just bought a book at the Messiah conference about the ( A) Messianic prospective on Revelation and will be happy to share about what I am reading here so long as anyone is interested.

Yes, SonWorshipper, I would like to know what the book says. We are told to prove all things and there is so much we don't know, but that truth is progressive. I match what I read, and hear from others, with Scripture. If it doesn't agree I throw it out (not the one doing the sharing:pink:).

[SonWorshipper]

Whew! That's the nicest thing anyones said to me in the last two days, I appreciate that, thanks! :hug:

If I don't fall asleep tonight early because of this oppresive heat I will try to get into it. I only got throught the 6 page intro last night and then "Lights out!" ;)

[Atkin]

Yes, SonWorshipper, I would like to know what the book says. We are told to prove all things and there is so much we don't know, but that truth is progressive. I match what I read, and hear from others, with Scripture. If it doesn't agree I throw it out (not the one doing the sharing:pink:).

Never in the Bible has any HUMANprophet just dropped from the skies and appeared.

The only times we are suddenly visited by new bearers of a message is WHEN ANGELS

visit us.

Moses and Elijah were born of woman, not angelic creations like Gabriel.

How then is Elijah coming back to earth?

Bear in mind that Elijah cannot speak any of the current languages fluently

The concept of sudden visitation is only true in scriptures when angels visit humans

John the baptist had to be born as a human and lived and died.

In fact Jesus compared John to Elijah though John was not Elijah but John was born of woman

I cannot see how Elijah would just appear as an angel and where would he live?

In an apartment with who? His family? which family? DO NOT TAKE THIS lightly for many are waiting for events that they have not spent a few minutes considering

WOULD ELIJAH BE BORN OF WOMAN and grow up before he starts prophesying?

has he been born on earth silently with God not making it known till He starts prophesying

How old would he look like.... same as His age when he was taken up.

Moses died so would he be resurrected and would he speak english or french?

In fact, humans just dropping from thin air has never happened before and I guess God knew why he said the MYSTERY WOULD BE REVEALED

THOSE WAITING FOR A RAPTURE WILL BE WEEPING , unfortunately.

[sojeru]

there are no 7 years left.
there is no 3 1/2 years of tribulation.

for if any here did INDEED know their history they would have already seen the dragon
they would already have seen the wonded come back
they would already have seen the 10 horns (10 toes mixed with iron and spread through out the seed of men[clay])
the yrs do not ADD up in hebraic like manner
because we do not add in 3 and 7 to make 10
point blank the way we add is 10.
go back through the entire BIBLE (TN"K) portion to see whether any of us have added in such like manner.

example: to make 13 we say 10 and 3 not 6 and 7

Learn your history and you will see the dragon immediately.

shalom u'bracha

[sojeru]

Moses died so would he be resurrected and would he speak english or french?

he had already been ressurected. he lives now- not lying in death is his flesh but alive as a living being - not ONLY in spirit but in both flesh and spirit

[Atkin]

he had already been ressurected. he lives now- not lying in death is his flesh but alive as a living being - not ONLY in spirit but in both flesh and spirit

In order to come back to Earth, he cannot just materialise out of thin air.

This requires wisdom.

Who can explain how Moses, if one of the witnesses, will manifest on earth and fulfil Revelation 11 or Elijah or Enoch?

Remember, God will never spring a human who lived as a mortal in ancient times, to appear as a sudden member of the Earth community as an adult.

Will Moses be born as a child and grow up again ?

Moses cannot just drop out of the sky as an adult human. Never happens that way.

[RaptureTicketHolder]

What is your general interpretation of the events in Revelation?

If a Christian with evangelical tendencies might be so bold as to reply, I would love to share my study outline. Ive posted it before, but Im happy to share it again!

Would you know Revelation if it struck? Maybe this will help.

Someday you will most likely need the following handy timeline guide for what the Bible says the future holds.

It may mean nothing to you now, but in the future, your memory will serve you well, and when you least expect it.

Bible prophecy lays out our future almost as if it were a movie script. What’s nice about it, is the prep time given before the final acts.

Are you in prep for this role?

"Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near."
Revelation 1:3


*please note: for this study, the Rapture remains the mystery of the Lord, left in His hands to decide when.


PRESENT DAY EVENTS

I. Birth pangs (resurrection to present)

a) Wars, rumors of wars
b) Famines, pestilences, earthquakes
c) Persecution
d) False prophecy, iniquity, hatred
e) Christ's gospel shared EVERYWHERE
f) Israeli Nation restored

FUTURE TO BEHOLD

II. Worldwide Peace Treaty (future)

a) The Great Falling Away (Many Christians loose faith)
a) ONE leader emerges (anti-Christ)
b) ONE worldwide rule takes over

III. 7 yr Tribulation Begins with Treaty

a) Jewish Temple rebuild begins
b) OT Temple animal sacrifices begin
c) 7 Seal Judgments begin

1. Conquering Power (white horse)
2. Worldwide War (red horse)
3. Worldwide Famine (black horse)
4. Death-1/4 World (pale horse)
5. Heavens martyrs seek revenge

d) New Jewish temple defiled

1. Unholy Temple use by Anti-Christ
2. Temple sacrifices stopped
3. 2 heavenly evangelists appear

e) Seal Judgments continue

(6). Earthly Catastrophes

a. Great Earthquake
b. Sun blackened
c. Moon reddened
d. Starlight removed

(7). Seal opened exposing 7 Trumpet Judgments

a. Heaven silent for a time
b. Saints prayers offered again in Heaven
c. Great storms and another earthquake given to Earth

f) Trumpet Judgments

1. Hail and fire storm mixed with blood shower Earth

a. 1/3 of Earth’s trees destroyed
b. All green grass destroyed

2. Mountainous blood plague reaches Earth

a. 1/3 of Earth’s seas turn to blood
b. 1/3 sea life dies
c. 1/3 of Earth’s shipping fleet destroyed

3. Space debris (comet or star) fall to Earth named Wormwood

a. 1/3 of Earth’s streams/rivers tainted with poison
from wormwood
b. Many people die from poison in water

4. Skylight deminished

a. 1/3 Sunshine reduction
b. 1/3 Starlight reduction
c. 24 hour timeframe shortened


III . Great Tribulation Begins, last half of 7 yr peace treaty

a) Worldwide religious leader introduced (false prophet)

1. Religious freedom no longer exists – one world religion in place
2. Mark of Loyalty starts new barter system
3. Worship of Anti-Christ begins
4. System dissidents sought and put to death

b) Trumpet Judgments continued

(5) Considered 1st woe: Locus plague attacks Mark of Loyalty holders

a. 5 month Locus sting illness given to Mark holders
b. Death in any fashion denied during this time

(6) Considered 2nd woe: 1/3 of world’s Mark holders die by fire, smoke and brimstone

a. 2 heavenly evangelists killed
b. Bodies lie in death for 3 ½ days, then are called into heaven
c. Huge earthquake takes place, 7000 die

(7) Considered 3rd woe: Opening of 7 final bowl judgments

c) Bowl Judgments

1. Mark holders plagued with skin sores

2. Sea turns to blood again, everything in it dies this time

3. Rivers and streams turn to blood again

4. Sunshine overpowers Earth, men/earth burned crispy

5. All light removed from the Earth

6. Euphrates river dries up

a. False prophet and followers perform miracles to deceive.
b. Preparations are made for massive battle at Armageddon with anti-Christ dissidents




FUTURE TO BEHOLD (continued)

7. GODs wrath is finished with massive earthquake

a. Great cities fall into destruction
b. Islands and mountains disappear

IV. Final Judgments

a) Satan, anti-Christ, false prophet cast into bottomless pit for 1000 yr sentence

b) Sheep/Goat Judgement

c) 1000 year Reign of Christ on Earth

d) Satan released for a bit more havic

e) Great White Throne Judgement

f) Lake of Fire new home for Hell and Satan, forever

g) New Heaven/Earth for eternity

Prepare yourself properly and all will be well in the Lord!

[3a144,000]

Never in the Bible has any HUMANprophet just dropped from the skies and appeared.

The only times we are suddenly visited by new bearers of a message is WHEN ANGELS

visit us.

Moses and Elijah were born of woman, not angelic creations like Gabriel.

How then is Elijah coming back to earth?

Bear in mind that Elijah cannot speak any of the current languages fluently

The concept of sudden visitation is only true in scriptures when angels visit humans

John the baptist had to be born as a human and lived and died.

In fact Jesus compared John to Elijah though John was not Elijah but John was born of woman

I cannot see how Elijah would just appear as an angel and where would he live?

In an apartment with who? His family? which family? DO NOT TAKE THIS lightly for many are waiting for events that they have not spent a few minutes considering

WOULD ELIJAH BE BORN OF WOMAN and grow up before he starts prophesying?

has he been born on earth silently with God not making it known till He starts prophesying

How old would he look like.... same as His age when he was taken up.

Moses died so would he be resurrected and would he speak english or french?

In fact, humans just dropping from thin air has never happened before and I guess God knew why he said the MYSTERY WOULD BE REVEALED

THOSE WAITING FOR A RAPTURE WILL BE WEEPING , unfortunately.
:scratch: What are you talking about Atkin????? We were talking about sharing what was in a new book...period. What...humans dropping from thin air? other languages? what is your point. Did you read all that was being said? Please go back and do so and maybe you will understand the content better.

[Pray4Isrel]

Wow I slack off for a day and look how far this thread has come. Where do I even begin! :)

[sojeru]

ATKIN

Moses cannot just drop out of the sky as an adult human.

MOSES APPEARED OUT OF THIN AIR AT THE TRANSCENDING OF MESSIAH- IN FULL FIGURED GROWN- MAN IMAGE
SO HE CANT DROP OUT OF THE SKY AS A GROWN HUMAN??

[sojeru]

And Another Thing, How Are You So Sure That Its Moshe And Hanoch That Will Return As The 2 Witnesses/prophets/lampstands/olive Trees-branches?

I Advise That You Read Zecharyah To See Who Indeed These 2 Lampstands And Olive Trees-branches Are. And They Are Not Moshe And Hanoch- Zecharyah Is In Direct Relation To Apocalypse Chap 11

Shalom

[Atkin]

ATKIN


MOSES APPEARED OUT OF THIN AIR AT THE TRANSCENDING OF MESSIAH- IN FULL FIGURED GROWN- MAN IMAGE
SO HE CANT DROP OUT OF THE SKY AS A GROWN HUMAN??
----------------------------------------------------
Matthew 17 Moses and Elijah appeared in A VISION FOR A FEW SECONDS to JUST 3 DISCIPLES-- My post WAS TALKING about Revelation 11 where the WITNESSES live as humans and prophesy to the WHOLE EARTH--6.6 billion people


Moses appeared for a few seconds Matthew 17 and did not live as a human
Elijah AND MOSES/ENOCH HAVE TO LIVE AS HUMANS EATING FOOD LIKE all humans, travel to AMERICA, Europe, Asia etc Revelation 11
The 2 witnesses will have to travel all over JERUSALEM, SPEAK ENGLISH, GERMAN God's children are not in JUST LITTLE JUDEA BETHLEHEM they are ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Moses AND ELIJAH DID NOT LIVE on Earth in Matthew 17 , eating, drinking juice, WERE not travelling around earth speaking to millions of humans in the transfiguration vision.

MY POST was ASKING ABOUT how the two witnesses would live among humans in Revelation 11.

, they appeared in a vision IN A FEW SECONDS to A FEW -JUST THREE DISCIPLES

In Revelation 11, Elijah etc will have to prophesy to the entire PLANET, live

amongst humans FOR YEARS and eat 21st century food, use cell phones, travel around LONDON, AFRICA, AMERICA etc GOD HAS CHILDREN ALL OVER. Again, God HAS NEVER

and will not send people FROM say over 3000 YEARS AGO TO APPEAR and live amongst humans 3000 years ahead of them with different languages etc.

HOW DO THEY LIVE WITHOUT BEING BORN OF WOMAN---They have to LIVE AND PROPHESY FOR a number OF YEARS.

Elijah will have to be seen in New York in addition to Jerusalem

I mean whomever whether Enoch or Moses they will have to speak

English in addition to their old Hebrew tongues (you may say the jews will translate)

but again God prefers His message to be direct and no human has been brought to live

in a different age from whence he was born of WOMAN.

Will Elijah be born of woman again in order to live amongst ENGLISH SPEAKING, FRENCH SPEAKING ETC humans.
Will Moses also have to go through this process. Remember, God gives breath to human babies

in the womb and God can give breath IN MOTHER'S WOMB LUKE 1:39 as He gave JOHN THE BAPTIST the Holy Spirit of Elijah.

God has always been consistent, humans will be BORN BEFORE THEY LIVE FOR YEARS AND YEARS and grow up as adults and PROPHESY BEFORE ANTICHRIST.

[Atkin]

And Another Thing, How Are You So Sure That Its Moshe And Hanoch That Will Return As The 2 Witnesses/prophets/lampstands/olive Trees-branches?

I Advise That You Read Zecharyah To See Who Indeed These 2 Lampstands And Olive Trees-branches Are. And They Are Not Moshe And Hanoch- Zecharyah Is In Direct Relation To Apocalypse Chap 11

Shalom


I am familiar with Zecharyah. My friend, the names may not be the issue.

1-- ARE THESE 2 2 Lampstands And Olive trees, 2 HUMANS WHO WERE BORN OF WOMAN OVER 2500 YEARS AGO?

How do they return to earth and live among humans for no one just appears and lives and eats for years without being born as a child-- John, Jesus etc?

2- Or will they be born of woman, possibly born already in the 20th century and we may

not know them at this time? Are they with us but not started prophesying yet?


3 WHY DID YESHUA SAY THIS -- MATTHEW 17 12 I TELL YOU Elijah has already come and they did not recognize him

Matthew 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking about John The Baptist

Explain without twisting Yeshua's words. This is direct.

[sojeru]

you are right, Eliyah's spirit was infact in john.
[(reincarnation?) a jewish concept called GILGUL]

however, with the two witnesses of apoc 11 this is not so.
no doubt- it is humans, even in the manner that you explain, being born, eating and drinking, not appearing out of thin air as on the mount of transfiguration.

how ever, you fail to realize something, these 2 witnesses are actually 2 groups of humans.
read zecharyah again to understand
or just visit my friends site @ www.israelthebride.org

these are only 2 groups- its a great mystery that you wont recieve, at least for right now, im sure.
and this mystery is even greater in knowing who these two groups are and how they are who they are- and what gave them that power to be who they are.

its an awesome mystery- but one not easily accepted and swallowed.

shalom u'bracha

[sojeru]

in the womb and God can give breath IN MOTHER'S WOMB LUKE 1:39 as He gave JOHN THE BAPTIST the Holy Spirit of Elijah.

i love the way you put this. because it is true.
ALL OF our spirits is the holy spirit.
what a man recieves when he is called by HaShem is an addition to his own spirit.
the mans spirit + the holy spirit.
since eliyah was a good man, and his own spirit made right by the spirit of GD, the entire spirit of eliyah was caught up /or went back to the holy spirit.
thus, eliyah (in a sense) became the holy spirit.
and this portion of the spirit known as eliyah went in the one to be named yochanan (john)

mystery mystery mystery

[SonWorshipper]

Firstly , disregarding if Enoch and Eliyah ( who never died and all man is appointed to die once) are coming back in the flesh, let us meditate on these words:

Yeshua said: With men this is impossible; BUT! with G-D ALL things ARE possible!

Praise him!

[Atkin]

Firstly , disregarding if Enoch and Eliyah ( who never died and all man is appointed to die once) are coming back in the flesh, let us meditate on these words:

Yeshua said: With men this is impossible; BUT! with G-D ALL things ARE possible!

Praise him!


Yes, I agree with you completely. God in doing so would not confuse human beings,

for humans are very simple and are weak before God.

God would do it in such a way as to fit into the 21st century.

Eliyah died when John the Baptist was beheaded in 1st advent.

As for Enoch, we never know whether His soul went back again in a later birth and death.

You see, God does not store human flesh, that is very irrelevant to God and human bodies change depending on climate, diet and the human time line Adamic till pre-Noah humans, post Noah post Abraham.... post David.. post Christ, 10th century, 15th century.. till 21st century
God keeps our souls-spirits hence Enoch for all we know, could have lived amongst humans and died

a normal death without our knowing for God works in such ways that our limited

comprehension may at times find a shade too deep to understand.

Enoch would not need to be announced to the world if he was born as a child later.

That is not reincarnation BECAUSE John the Baptist had lost all memory of Elijah's life.

God does not involve himself in reincarnation, God gives the soul back into new

child. Ecclesiastes 12:7. Genesis 35:18.

When the child will grow up to be a prophet or as Jesus, God tells humans as in Luke 1:26

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

I have noticed this in many of the other threads here in the Messianic Judaism forum and just want to point out that questions can be asked according to the rules here, but I see more and more that I can definately see aren't Messianic Judaism believers making comments. Take note what this Threads name is "Messianic View of Revelation "

Rule number 3 from http://www.christianforums.com/t34460
3) Non-Messianic members (eg. Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox Jewish members) can only post fellowship posts here or posts to ask a question regarding Messianic Judaism doctrine. Once the question is answered, there shall be no debate over the answer in this forum by the Non-Messianic members. Any debate posts by Non-Messianic members will be deleted or moved to the Interdenominational Doctrine Debate forum. In other words, only Messianic members can debate here.

Tag

[afnospam]

mid-trib

[SonWorshipper]

Yes, Tag, I agree. I am closing this thread because it has become completely derailed from the OP.

This topic is open for discussion by Messianics only here-----> http://www.christianforums.com/t44784