There was a time when we had

[JimfromOhio]

many Anabaptists in CF but now not many are posting in this forum. Is there a reason why?

[tulc]

Well I pretty much have stopped coming around CF altogether after we got the left foot of fellowship from the baptist forum. :sigh:
tulc(don't have to kick me more then ten times for me to get the message) ;)

[Joykins]

menno told me he left CF last week. He accounted for a lot of traffic in this forum.

[JimfromOhio]

Oh well.... I enjoyed reading Anabaptists' posts.

[catlover]

menno told me he left CF last week. He accounted for a lot of traffic in this forum.

bummer.

[CelticRose]

Yes, isn't it.

[catlover]

It's too bad he left, because his posts were interesting and uplifting.

[Joykins]

I share your feelings about that. I will miss him.

[brother daniel]

I share your feelings about that. I will miss him.

I miss Menno also

The ana-baptist forum is bound to be controversial.
For Mennonites there should be their own forum.

The nature of the historical Ana-baptists including Menno Simons was much more radical than the present day Mennonites.
http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Heritage/menno.htm

Basically the Anabaptist's and neo Anabaptist's saw and see The Roman Catholic Church as full of error and to be avoided. The Lutheran and Calvinist evangelicals were also criticized for their marriage of Church and state.

The Jesuits, formed to counter the protestant reformation revived the Inquisition to be used against the Anabaptist's and other Protestants.


[The eight years that elapsed between 1534 and 1542 are notable ones in the annals of Protestant Christianity. That epoch witnessed the birth of three movements, Which were destined to stamp a character upon the future of Europe, and powerfully to modify the conflict then in progress in Christendom. In 1534 the Jesuits recorded their first vow in the Church of Montmartre, in Paris. In 1540 their society was regularly launched by the Papal edict. In 1542, Paul III issued the bull for the re-establishment of the Inquisition; and in 1541 Calvin returned to Geneva, to prepare that spiritual army that was to wage battle with Jesuitism backed by the Inquisition. The meeting of these dates—the contemporaneous rise of these three instrumentalities, is sufficiently striking, and is one of the many proofs which we meet in history that there is an Eye watching all that is done on earth, and that never does an agency start up to destroy the world, but there is set over against it a yet more powerful agency to convert the evil it would inflict into good.]
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits11.html

[ It is one of these great epochs at which we have arrived. Jesuitism, the consummation of error — the Inquisition, the maximum of force, stand up and array themselves against a now fully developed Protestantism. In following the steps of the combatants, we shall be led in succession to the mountains of the Waldenses, to the cities of France, to the swamps of Holland, to the plains of Germany, to Italy, to Spain, to England and Scotland. Round the whole of Christendom will roll the tide of this great battle, casting down one nation into the darkness of slavery, and lifting up another into the glory of freedom, and causing the gigantic crimes of the persecutor and the despot to be forgotten in the excelling splendor of the patriot and the martyr. This is the struggle with the record of which we shall presently be occupied. Meanwhile we proceed to describe one of those few Inquisitions that remain to this day in almost the identical state in which they existed when the Holy Office was being vigorously worked. This will enable us to realize more vividly the terror of that weapon which Paul III prepared for the hands of the Jesuits, and the Divine power of that faith which enabled the confessors of the Gospel to withstand and triumph over it.]

[All the important works on the Inquisition from its earliest days, such as Lea, Limborch, Llorente, Rule and the others stress these same things. Superiority, secrecy, delay, a nightmare bureaucracy, fastidiousness and "nit-picking". This same spirit of Inquisition is alive in the Vatican today. And just as the Roman Inquisition of the 16th century or indeed of the 19th century had its spies everywhere, so does the Inquisition of the 21st Century. Besides all Vatican documents being subjected to Inquisitional review before release, giving Ratzinger a stranglehold upon other Vatican departments, he has got his spies throughout the world. Apparently "Ratzinger has encouraged the doctrinal commissions of national bishop’s conferences to play a similar gatekeeper role with respect to the documents of that conference". Beware! The mighty Ratzinger, dubbed "the Enforcer" sees and knows all. But people are not always all they seem.]


Pope Benedict XVI was elected in April 2005, after the death of his predecessor Pope John Paul II. As head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - once known as the Holy Office of the Inquisition - from 1981 until his election, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger had developed a reputation as a tough theologian.

Yet this tough theologian is seen kissing the Islamic Koran.
The Pope kissed the Koran. Our new version Pharisee immediately salivates. He is ready to pounce and add such an indictable emblem to his files. And what does it prove? That the Pope is a secret Muslim maybe? That the Pope doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ maybe? That the Pope is a relativist, perhaps? A syncretist for sure? That all religions are one in the Pope’s mind? The Pope also kisses the ground upon landing in various countries on pastoral visits. A secret pantheist?

Here is a Jesuit style argument for the Pope.
http://www.tcrnews2.com/genjp2000.html

Secrecy and secret societies is not the way of Jesus Christ
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masons.htm

As a disciple of Jesus Christ I suggest we all follow the example of the Ana-baptist Swiss brethren and return to the simple gospel of Jesus Christ and reject the winds of doctrine we have been exposed to.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

[catlover]

I miss Menno also

The ana-baptist forum is bound to be controversial.
For Mennonites there should be their own forum.

The nature of the historical Ana-baptists including Menno Simons was much more radical than the present day Mennonites.
http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Heritage/menno.htm

Basically the Anabaptist's and neo Anabaptist's saw and see The Roman Catholic Church as full of error and to be avoided. The Lutheran and Calvinist evangelicals were also criticized for their marriage of Church and state.

The Jesuits, formed to counter the protestant reformation revived the Inquisition to be used against the Anabaptist's and other Protestants.


[The eight years that elapsed between 1534 and 1542 are notable ones in the annals of Protestant Christianity. That epoch witnessed the birth of three movements, Which were destined to stamp a character upon the future of Europe, and powerfully to modify the conflict then in progress in Christendom. In 1534 the Jesuits recorded their first vow in the Church of Montmartre, in Paris. In 1540 their society was regularly launched by the Papal edict. In 1542, Paul III issued the bull for the re-establishment of the Inquisition; and in 1541 Calvin returned to Geneva, to prepare that spiritual army that was to wage battle with Jesuitism backed by the Inquisition. The meeting of these dates—the contemporaneous rise of these three instrumentalities, is sufficiently striking, and is one of the many proofs which we meet in history that there is an Eye watching all that is done on earth, and that never does an agency start up to destroy the world, but there is set over against it a yet more powerful agency to convert the evil it would inflict into good.]
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits11.html

[ It is one of these great epochs at which we have arrived. Jesuitism, the consummation of error — the Inquisition, the maximum of force, stand up and array themselves against a now fully developed Protestantism. In following the steps of the combatants, we shall be led in succession to the mountains of the Waldenses, to the cities of France, to the swamps of Holland, to the plains of Germany, to Italy, to Spain, to England and Scotland. Round the whole of Christendom will roll the tide of this great battle, casting down one nation into the darkness of slavery, and lifting up another into the glory of freedom, and causing the gigantic crimes of the persecutor and the despot to be forgotten in the excelling splendor of the patriot and the martyr. This is the struggle with the record of which we shall presently be occupied. Meanwhile we proceed to describe one of those few Inquisitions that remain to this day in almost the identical state in which they existed when the Holy Office was being vigorously worked. This will enable us to realize more vividly the terror of that weapon which Paul III prepared for the hands of the Jesuits, and the Divine power of that faith which enabled the confessors of the Gospel to withstand and triumph over it.]

[All the important works on the Inquisition from its earliest days, such as Lea, Limborch, Llorente, Rule and the others stress these same things. Superiority, secrecy, delay, a nightmare bureaucracy, fastidiousness and "nit-picking". This same spirit of Inquisition is alive in the Vatican today. And just as the Roman Inquisition of the 16th century or indeed of the 19th century had its spies everywhere, so does the Inquisition of the 21st Century. Besides all Vatican documents being subjected to Inquisitional review before release, giving Ratzinger a stranglehold upon other Vatican departments, he has got his spies throughout the world. Apparently "Ratzinger has encouraged the doctrinal commissions of national bishop’s conferences to play a similar gatekeeper role with respect to the documents of that conference". Beware! The mighty Ratzinger, dubbed "the Enforcer" sees and knows all. But people are not always all they seem.]


Pope Benedict XVI was elected in April 2005, after the death of his predecessor Pope John Paul II. As head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - once known as the Holy Office of the Inquisition - from 1981 until his election, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger had developed a reputation as a tough theologian.

Yet this tough theologian is seen kissing the Islamic Koran.
The Pope kissed the Koran. Our new version Pharisee immediately salivates. He is ready to pounce and add such an indictable emblem to his files. And what does it prove? That the Pope is a secret Muslim maybe? That the Pope doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ maybe? That the Pope is a relativist, perhaps? A syncretist for sure? That all religions are one in the Pope’s mind? The Pope also kisses the ground upon landing in various countries on pastoral visits. A secret pantheist?

Here is a Jesuit style argument for the Pope.
http://www.tcrnews2.com/genjp2000.html

Secrecy and secret societies is not the way of Jesus Christ
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masons.htm

As a disciple of Jesus Christ I suggest we all follow the example of the Ana-baptist Swiss brethren and return to the simple gospel of Jesus Christ and reject the winds of doctrine we have been exposed to.

With love in Christ
brother daniel




I am not too enamored with The Roman Catholic Church Brother Daniel, but I think the propaganda you posted is pretty silly. Some of that is nonsense.

[vespasia]

I am still here.:wave:

I have just been rather busy working at church and doing some retraining.

[CelticRose]

:D Cool.:cool:

Don't want to lose everyone. Hope to see you back round again shortly.

[brother daniel]

I am not too enamored with The Roman Catholic Church Brother Daniel, but I think the propaganda you posted is pretty silly. Some of that is nonsense.

Dear catlover,
Please let me know what you think is propaganda and what is nonsense.
If there is error in my posting I would like to know what it is rather than a ridicule without content.
Do you consider yourself an Anabaptist?
Many come to this forum out of curiosity.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

[JimfromOhio]

I miss Menno also

The ana-baptist forum is bound to be controversial.
For Mennonites there should be their own forum.

The nature of the historical Ana-baptists including Menno Simons was much more radical than the present day Mennonites.
http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Heritage/menno.htm

Basically the Anabaptist's and neo Anabaptist's saw and see The Roman Catholic Church as full of error and to be avoided. The Lutheran and Calvinist evangelicals were also criticized for their marriage of Church and state.

The Jesuits, formed to counter the protestant reformation revived the Inquisition to be used against the Anabaptist's and other Protestants.


[The eight years that elapsed between 1534 and 1542 are notable ones in the annals of Protestant Christianity. That epoch witnessed the birth of three movements, Which were destined to stamp a character upon the future of Europe, and powerfully to modify the conflict then in progress in Christendom. In 1534 the Jesuits recorded their first vow in the Church of Montmartre, in Paris. In 1540 their society was regularly launched by the Papal edict. In 1542, Paul III issued the bull for the re-establishment of the Inquisition; and in 1541 Calvin returned to Geneva, to prepare that spiritual army that was to wage battle with Jesuitism backed by the Inquisition. The meeting of these dates—the contemporaneous rise of these three instrumentalities, is sufficiently striking, and is one of the many proofs which we meet in history that there is an Eye watching all that is done on earth, and that never does an agency start up to destroy the world, but there is set over against it a yet more powerful agency to convert the evil it would inflict into good.]
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits11.html

[ It is one of these great epochs at which we have arrived. Jesuitism, the consummation of error — the Inquisition, the maximum of force, stand up and array themselves against a now fully developed Protestantism. In following the steps of the combatants, we shall be led in succession to the mountains of the Waldenses, to the cities of France, to the swamps of Holland, to the plains of Germany, to Italy, to Spain, to England and Scotland. Round the whole of Christendom will roll the tide of this great battle, casting down one nation into the darkness of slavery, and lifting up another into the glory of freedom, and causing the gigantic crimes of the persecutor and the despot to be forgotten in the excelling splendor of the patriot and the martyr. This is the struggle with the record of which we shall presently be occupied. Meanwhile we proceed to describe one of those few Inquisitions that remain to this day in almost the identical state in which they existed when the Holy Office was being vigorously worked. This will enable us to realize more vividly the terror of that weapon which Paul III prepared for the hands of the Jesuits, and the Divine power of that faith which enabled the confessors of the Gospel to withstand and triumph over it.]

[All the important works on the Inquisition from its earliest days, such as Lea, Limborch, Llorente, Rule and the others stress these same things. Superiority, secrecy, delay, a nightmare bureaucracy, fastidiousness and "nit-picking". This same spirit of Inquisition is alive in the Vatican today. And just as the Roman Inquisition of the 16th century or indeed of the 19th century had its spies everywhere, so does the Inquisition of the 21st Century. Besides all Vatican documents being subjected to Inquisitional review before release, giving Ratzinger a stranglehold upon other Vatican departments, he has got his spies throughout the world. Apparently "Ratzinger has encouraged the doctrinal commissions of national bishop’s conferences to play a similar gatekeeper role with respect to the documents of that conference". Beware! The mighty Ratzinger, dubbed "the Enforcer" sees and knows all. But people are not always all they seem.]


Pope Benedict XVI was elected in April 2005, after the death of his predecessor Pope John Paul II. As head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - once known as the Holy Office of the Inquisition - from 1981 until his election, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger had developed a reputation as a tough theologian.

Yet this tough theologian is seen kissing the Islamic Koran.
The Pope kissed the Koran. Our new version Pharisee immediately salivates. He is ready to pounce and add such an indictable emblem to his files. And what does it prove? That the Pope is a secret Muslim maybe? That the Pope doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ maybe? That the Pope is a relativist, perhaps? A syncretist for sure? That all religions are one in the Pope’s mind? The Pope also kisses the ground upon landing in various countries on pastoral visits. A secret pantheist?

Here is a Jesuit style argument for the Pope.
http://www.tcrnews2.com/genjp2000.html

Secrecy and secret societies is not the way of Jesus Christ
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masons.htm

As a disciple of Jesus Christ I suggest we all follow the example of the Ana-baptist Swiss brethren and return to the simple gospel of Jesus Christ and reject the winds of doctrine we have been exposed to.

With love in Christ
brother daniel




You should study more about Reform and Anabaptist. I have been an Anabaptist for 20 some years and I take from your post that you are not really familiar with Anabaptist history. ;)

[brother daniel]

You should study more about Reform and Anabaptist. I have been an Anabaptist for 20 some years and I take from your post that you are not really familiar with Anabaptist history. ;)

You may be right.
For me it starts here http://www.bibleviews.com/Schleitheim.html

[Fourth. We are agreed [as follows] on separation: A separation shall be made from the evil and from the wickedness which the devil planted in the world; in this manner, simply that we shall not have fellowship with them [the wicked] and not run with them in the multitude of their abominations. This is the way it is: Since all who do not walk in the obedience of faith, and have not united themselves with God so that they wish to do His will, are a great abomination before God, it is not possible for anything to grow or issue from them except abominable things. For truly all creatures are in but two classes, good and bad, believing and unbelieving, darkness and light, the world and those who [have come] out of the world, God's temple and idols, Christ and Belial; and none can have part with the other.
To us then the command of the Lord is clear when He calls upon us to be separate from the evil and thus He will be our God and we shall be His sons and daughters.
He further admonishes us to withdraw from Babylon and the earthly Egypt that we may not be partakers of the pain and suffering which the Lord will bring upon them.
From this we should learn that everything which is not united with our God and Christ cannot be other than an abomination which we should shun and flee from. By this is meant all popish and antipopish works and church services, meetings and church attendance,* drinking houses, civic affairs, the commitments [made in] unbelief and other things of that kind, which are highly regarded by the world and yet are carried on in flat contradiction to the command of God, in accordance with all the unrighteouness which is in the world. From all these things we shall be separated and have no part with them for they are nothing but an abomination, and they are the cause of our being hated before our Christ Jesus, Who has set us free from the slavery of the flesh and fitted us for the service of God through the Spirit Whom He has given us. ]
-----------------------* This severe judgment on the state churches must be understood in the light of sixteenth century conditions. The state clergymen were in many cases careless and carnal men. All citizens in a given province were considered members of the state church because they had been made Christians ("chrisened") by infant baptism. Also, in 1527 Zurich had begun to use capital punishment on the Swiss Brethren, with the full approval of the state church leaders. Sattler himself was burned at the stake less than three months after the Schleitheim conference.

Therefore there will also unquestionably fall from us the unchristian, devilish weapons of force -- such as sword, armor and the like, and all their use [either] for friends or against one's enemies I would like the records -- by virtue of the word of Christ, Resist not [him that is] evil.]

http://www.bibleviews.com/Dordrecht.html

But I suspect it even goes back further to the Waldensians.

Modern Mennonite history is as differant from the Anibaptist Swiss bretheren as modern Methodists are from the spirit filled message of John Wesley and Francis Asbury.

http://www.bibleviews.com/BriefSF.html

http://www.mennolink.org/doc/cof/

Since this forum is called Anabaptist I can relate to it.
If it was a Mennonite forum I would be trespassing because I am not a Mennonite.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

[catlover]

Dear catlover,
Please let me know what you think is propaganda and what is nonsense.
If there is error in my posting I would like to know what it is rather than a ridicule without content.
Do you consider yourself an Anabaptist?
Many come to this forum out of curiosity.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

First, Pope JP2 kissed the Quaran out of respect for Muslims. He was a man of peace. I am not too thrilled with The Roman Catholic Church, but if you are going to critique it use a realiable source.

Jack Chick clearly has some mental health issues and his sources are questionable to say the least.

Alberto was exposed as a fraud.
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ343.HTM

Lastly, I post here because I side with Anabaptists on their seperation of church and state and their peace movement. I have grown weary with American Evangelicals worshipping George W. Bush and the government.

Eventually I will be attending a Quaker home church if all goes well.

[brother daniel]

Dear sister,
I am glad to be corrected concerning Jack Chick and Rivera.

I miss Menno also

The ana-baptist forum is bound to be controversial.
For Mennonites there should be their own forum.

The nature of the historical Ana-baptists including Menno Simons was much more radical than the present day Mennonites.

http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Heritage/menno.htm (http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Heritage/menno.htm)

Basically the Anabaptist's and neo Anabaptist's saw and see The Roman Catholic Church as full of error and to be avoided. The Lutheran and Calvinist evangelicals were also criticized for their marriage of Church and state.

The Jesuits, formed to counter the protestant reformation revived the Inquisition to be used against the Anabaptist's and other Protestants.

As a lad the Jesuits taught me to study,. They kicked me out of school before I learned anything else. I am still studying

The History of the Jesuits by J.A. Wylie LL.D.,
Excerpted from the massive 2 vol. History of Protestantism
http://www.bpc.org/reading_room/books/wylie/protestantism.html


[The eight years that elapsed between 1534 and 1542 are notable ones in the annals of Protestant Christianity. That epoch witnessed the birth of three movements, Which were destined to stamp a character upon the future of Europe, and powerfully to modify the conflict then in progress in Christendom. In 1534 the Jesuits recorded their first vow in the Church of Montmartre, in Paris. In 1540 their society was regularly launched by the Papal edict. In 1542, Paul III issued the bull for the re-establishment of the Inquisition; and in 1541 Calvin returned to Geneva, to prepare that spiritual army that was to wage battle with Jesuitism backed by the Inquisition.]

The following information has nothing to do with Chick or Rivera.

The History of the Jesuits by J.A. Wylie LL.D.,
Excerpted from the massive 2 vol. History of Protestantism
http://www.bpc.org/reading_room/books/wylie/protestantism.html


The History of the Jesuits Chapter 5
THE JESUIT TEACHING ON REGICIDE, MURDER, LYING, THEFT, ETC.
The lawfulness of killing excommunicated, that is Protestant, kings, the Jesuit writers have been at great pains to maintain, and by a great variety of arguments to defend and enforce. The proof is as abundant as it is painful. M. de la Chalotais reports to the Parliament of Bretagne, as the result of his examination of the laws and doctrines of the Jesuits, that on this point there is a complete and startling unanimity in their teaching. By the same logical track do the whole host of Jesuit writers arrive at the same terrible conclusion, the slaughter, namely, of the sovereign on whom the Pope has pronounced sentence of deposition. If he shall take meekly his extrusion from Power, and seek neither to resist nor revenge his being hurled from his throne, his life may be spared; but should "he persist in disobedience," says M. de la Chalotais, himself a Papist, and addressing a Popish Parliament, "he may be treated as a tyrant, in which case anybody may kill him.1 Such is the course of reasoning established by all authors of the society, who have written ex professo on these subjects—Bellarmine, Suarez, Molina, Mariana, Santarel—all the Ultramontanes without exception, since the establishment of the society."2
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits5.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits5.html)
The History of the Jesuits Chapter 6
THE "SECRET INSTRUCTIONS" OF THE JESUITS.
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits6.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits6.html)
The History of the Jesuits Chapter 7
JESUIT MANAGEMENT OF RICH WIDOWS AND THE HEIRS OF GREAT FAMILIES.
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits7.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits7.html)


The History of the Jesuits Chapter 8
DIFFUSION OF THE JESUITS THROUGHOUT CHRISTENDOM.
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits8.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits8.html)

The chapter above is important because it why I witnessed Roman Catholic liturgy and icons being introduced into a prosperus Mennonite Church in Virginia by a new young pastor.

This next chapter is important because it is linked to the the American Revolution and what the Jesuits were up with the Masons to while they were banshed from the Roman Catholic Church.

Jesuit Bishop John Carroll was the first American bishop and the founder of Georgetown University. He was a member of the prominent Carroll family -- his brother Daniel owned most of the land where the Capitol is now

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:DEXaAHYTOTAJ:www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_founding_fathers_maryland.html+john+Carroll,+Daniel,+constitution+Charles&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

located and his brother, "Charles Carroll of Carollton", signed the Declaration of Independence.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:tSRnITQn448J:kittytours.org/thatman2/search.asp%3Fsubject%3D151+john+Carroll,+brother+Daniel&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3
This is the Jesuit and Masonic undercover Take over of America at the same time as they were taking over Masonic Germany under Frederick the Great and Russia under Cathrine The Great and Czar Paul
The History of the Jesuits Chapter 9
COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES AND BANISHMENT.
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits9.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits9.html)


Pope Benedict XVI was elected in April 2005, after the death of his predecessor Pope John Paul II. As head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - once known as the Holy Office of the Inquisition - from 1981 until his election, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger had developed a reputation as a tough theologian.

Yet this tough theologian is seen kissing the Islamic Koran. And what does it prove? That the Pope is a secret Muslim maybe? That the Pope doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ maybe? That the Pope is a relativist, perhaps? A syncretist for sure? That all religions are one in the Pope’s mind? The Pope also kisses the ground upon landing in various countries on pastoral visits. A secret pantheist? Unlikely

Here is a Jesuit style argument for the Pope.
http://www.tcrnews2.com/genjp2000.html (http://www.tcrnews2.com/genjp2000.html)

Secrecy and secret societies is not the way of Jesus Christ
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masons.htm (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masons.htm)

As a disciple of Jesus Christ I suggest we all follow the example of the Ana-baptist Swiss brethren and return to the simple gospel of Jesus Christ and reject the winds of doctrine we have been exposed to.



First, Pope JP2 kissed the Quaran out of respect for Muslims. He was a man of peace. I am not too thrilled with The Roman Catholic Church, but if you are going to critique it use a reliable source.

The reliable source was a photo of the pope kissing kissing the Koran in the New York Times. I had a very viscrial reaction.


Jack Chick clearly has some mental health issues and his sources are questionable to say the least.

No doubt but .A. Wylie LL.D.,
2 vol. History of Protestantism is not a questionable source.
http://www.bpc.org/reading_room/books/wylie/protestantism.html


Alberto was exposed as a fraud.
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ343.HTM (http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ343.HTM)


And I am grateful for you calling my attention to that.
We must separate the chaff from the wheat.


Lastly, I post here because I side with Anabaptists on their seperation of church and state and their peace movement. I have grown weary with American Evangelicals worshipping George W. Bush and the government.

Eventually I will be attending a Quaker home church if all goes well.

The Quaker Friends taught me to listen.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

[JimfromOhio]

If we studied Anabaptist long enough, we would understand better. I have been involved in a Anabaptist denomination for almost 20 years and I found Anabaptist do believe much of the Christian Theologies except what separates their doctrines (i.e. Baptism, etc). Nation from the greek word "Ethnos". Strongs defines Ethnos as a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together as a company, troop, swarm. A multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus the human family a tribe, nation, people group (Culture). One thing I have learned when I was in the Anabaptist denomination, preferences aren't necessarily a doctrine issue, but can become serious when people in the church can't get along with each other because of their preferences. There are many Christian cultures because there are Christians who will follow their conscience, feelings, beliefs and personal worship preferences. This is between God and each individual believer(s). There are different preferences of beliefs and different style of worship. Some prefer one worship style while other prefer another worship style. The key is that we must worship God in Spirit with other believers regardless our "personal" opinion or loyalty to our movements. As long as our conscience is clear and our heart is pure before God, don't be concerned with issues. In Romans 14:5 "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." 1 Corinthians 10:28-29 "both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake, the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience?"

[catlover]

Dear sister,
I am glad to be corrected concerning Jack Chick and Rivera.



The ana-baptist forum is bound to be controversial.
For Mennonites there should be their own forum.

The nature of the historical Ana-baptists including Menno Simons was much more radical than the present day Mennonites.

http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Heritage/menno.htm (http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Heritage/menno.htm)

Basically the Anabaptist's and neo Anabaptist's saw and see The Roman Catholic Church as full of error and to be avoided. The Lutheran and Calvinist evangelicals were also criticized for their marriage of Church and state.

The Jesuits, formed to counter the protestant reformation revived the Inquisition to be used against the Anabaptist's and other Protestants.

As a lad the Jesuits taught me to study,. They kicked me out of school before I learned anything else. I am still studying

The History of the Jesuits by J.A. Wylie LL.D.,
Excerpted from the massive 2 vol. History of Protestantism
http://www.bpc.org/reading_room/books/wylie/protestantism.html


[The eight years that elapsed between 1534 and 1542 are notable ones in the annals of Protestant Christianity. That epoch witnessed the birth of three movements, Which were destined to stamp a character upon the future of Europe, and powerfully to modify the conflict then in progress in Christendom. In 1534 the Jesuits recorded their first vow in the Church of Montmartre, in Paris. In 1540 their society was regularly launched by the Papal edict. In 1542, Paul III issued the bull for the re-establishment of the Inquisition; and in 1541 Calvin returned to Geneva, to prepare that spiritual army that was to wage battle with Jesuitism backed by the Inquisition.]

The following information has nothing to do with Chick or Rivera.

The History of the Jesuits by J.A. Wylie LL.D.,
Excerpted from the massive 2 vol. History of Protestantism
http://www.bpc.org/reading_room/books/wylie/protestantism.html


The History of the Jesuits Chapter 5
THE JESUIT TEACHING ON REGICIDE, MURDER, LYING, THEFT, ETC.
The lawfulness of killing excommunicated, that is Protestant, kings, the Jesuit writers have been at great pains to maintain, and by a great variety of arguments to defend and enforce. The proof is as abundant as it is painful. M. de la Chalotais reports to the Parliament of Bretagne, as the result of his examination of the laws and doctrines of the Jesuits, that on this point there is a complete and startling unanimity in their teaching. By the same logical track do the whole host of Jesuit writers arrive at the same terrible conclusion, the slaughter, namely, of the sovereign on whom the Pope has pronounced sentence of deposition. If he shall take meekly his extrusion from Power, and seek neither to resist nor revenge his being hurled from his throne, his life may be spared; but should "he persist in disobedience," says M. de la Chalotais, himself a Papist, and addressing a Popish Parliament, "he may be treated as a tyrant, in which case anybody may kill him.1 Such is the course of reasoning established by all authors of the society, who have written ex professo on these subjects—Bellarmine, Suarez, Molina, Mariana, Santarel—all the Ultramontanes without exception, since the establishment of the society."2
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits5.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits5.html)
The History of the Jesuits Chapter 6
THE "SECRET INSTRUCTIONS" OF THE JESUITS.
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits6.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits6.html)
The History of the Jesuits Chapter 7
JESUIT MANAGEMENT OF RICH WIDOWS AND THE HEIRS OF GREAT FAMILIES.
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits7.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits7.html)


The History of the Jesuits Chapter 8
DIFFUSION OF THE JESUITS THROUGHOUT CHRISTENDOM.
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits8.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits8.html)

The chapter above is important because it why I witnessed Roman Catholic liturgy and icons being introduced into a prosperus Mennonite Church in Virginia by a new young pastor.

This next chapter is important because it is linked to the the American Revolution and what the Jesuits were up with the Masons to while they were banshed from the Roman Catholic Church.

Jesuit Bishop John Carroll was the first American bishop and the founder of Georgetown University. He was a member of the prominent Carroll family -- his brother Daniel owned most of the land where the Capitol is now

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:DEXaAHYTOTAJ:www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_founding_fathers_maryland.html+john+Carroll,+Daniel,+constitution+Charles&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

located and his brother, "Charles Carroll of Carollton", signed the Declaration of Independence.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:tSRnITQn448J:kittytours.org/thatman2/search.asp%3Fsubject%3D151+john+Carroll,+brother+Daniel&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3
This is the Jesuit and Masonic undercover Take over of America at the same time as they were taking over Masonic Germany under Frederick the Great and Russia under Cathrine The Great and Czar Paul
The History of the Jesuits Chapter 9
COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES AND BANISHMENT.
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits9.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits9.html)


Pope Benedict XVI was elected in April 2005, after the death of his predecessor Pope John Paul II. As head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - once known as the Holy Office of the Inquisition - from 1981 until his election, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger had developed a reputation as a tough theologian.

Yet this tough theologian is seen kissing the Islamic Koran. And what does it prove? That the Pope is a secret Muslim maybe? That the Pope doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ maybe? That the Pope is a relativist, perhaps? A syncretist for sure? That all religions are one in the Pope’s mind? The Pope also kisses the ground upon landing in various countries on pastoral visits. A secret pantheist? Unlikely

Here is a Jesuit style argument for the Pope.
http://www.tcrnews2.com/genjp2000.html (http://www.tcrnews2.com/genjp2000.html)

Secrecy and secret societies is not the way of Jesus Christ
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masons.htm (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masons.htm)

As a disciple of Jesus Christ I suggest we all follow the example of the Ana-baptist Swiss brethren and return to the simple gospel of Jesus Christ and reject the winds of doctrine we have been exposed to.




The reliable source was a photo of the pope kissing kissing the Koran in the New York Times. I had a very viscrial reaction.



No doubt but .A. Wylie LL.D.,
2 vol. History of Protestantism is not a questionable source.
http://www.bpc.org/reading_room/books/wylie/protestantism.html



And I am grateful for you calling my attention to that.
We must separate the chaff from the wheat.



The Quaker Friends taught me to listen.
[COLOR=black]
With love in Christ
brother daniel


Dear Brother Daniel, thank-you, for your kind post. I don't doubt that the RC persecuted The Anabaptists and others who did not subscribe to their beliefs.
I also believe the RC inferes, today,way too much politically in other countries affairs.
I don't think it's the "whore of Babylon" though...

I look forward to reading more of your posts. :wave:

[catlover]

Who is A. Wylie LL.D?

[brother daniel]

Who is A. Wylie LL.D?

This is what I just found online.
If you Type in his name on Google search a lot will come up. I have read the whole work over the last few years, and its worth the time.
[
www.jesus-is-lord.com (http://www.jesus-is-lord.com)]


[ Who is
James A. Wylie?I was so utterly impressed with the writings of Mr. J.A. Wylie that I wrote to the Bible Presbyterian Church asking for information on the man. What I received from them is the information you'll read on this page.
The following quote on J.A. Wylie is taken from a Publisher's Preface by Mourne Missionary Press:

"The Rev. James Aitken Wylie was for many years a leading Protestant spokesman. Born in Scotland in 1808, he was educated at Marischal College, Aberdeen and at St. Andrews; he entered the Original Seccession Divinity Hall, Edinburgh in 1827, and was ordained in 1831. Dr. Wylie became sub-editor of the Edinburgh Witness in 1846, and, after joining the Free Church of Scotland in 1852, edited the Free Church Record from 1852 until 1860. In 1860 he was appointed Lecturer on Popery at the Protestant Institute, a position he held until the year of his death. Aberdeen University awarded him the LL.D. in 1856.
"Dr. Wylie was a prolific writer on Protestant themes. In 1851 the Evangelical Alliance awarded him first prize for his writing The Papacy (http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/papacy/overview.htm), which he submitted as his entry for a competition for the best essay on Popery.
"The writing for which Wylie is best known is his History of Protestantism which extends to nearly 2,000 pages and was first published in 1878."
Closing comments from Mr. Clouse of the Bible Presbyterian church--

By the way, there are 24 "books" in all, so there is much more to come. Amy Floyd, who works with me at Datastream, is helping to edit the chapters, and she hopes to accelerate the pace in the next few months. I have completed the scanning and initial editing of 11 of the books.
I am pleased that you are interested in the book. I am concerned about the advances being made by Rome and the decay of Protestantism. Rome's purpose, as given in the Pope's Encyclical (Ut Unam Sint, I believe it is), is to bring Protestantism back into the Roman Church in the year 2000. It appears that much of Protestantism is ripe for the harvest. Please feel free to distribute these materials as widely as possible.Thank you Mr. John Clouse, I will! ]



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With love in Christ,
brother daniel

[brother daniel]

Dear sister,
I am glad to be corrected concerning Jack Chick and Rivera.



The ana-baptist forum is bound to be controversial.
For Mennonites there should be their own forum.

The nature of the historical Ana-baptists including Menno Simons was much more radical than the present day Mennonites.

http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Heritage/menno.htm (http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Heritage/menno.htm)

Basically the Anabaptist's and neo Anabaptist's saw and see The Roman Catholic Church as full of error and to be avoided. The Lutheran and Calvinist evangelicals were also criticized for their marriage of Church and state.

The Jesuits, formed to counter the protestant reformation revived the Inquisition to be used against the Anabaptist's and other Protestants.

As a lad the Jesuits taught me to study,. They kicked me out of school before I learned anything else. I am still studying

The History of the Jesuits by J.A. Wylie LL.D.,
Excerpted from the massive 2 vol. History of Protestantism
http://www.bpc.org/reading_room/books/wylie/protestantism.html


[The eight years that elapsed between 1534 and 1542 are notable ones in the annals of Protestant Christianity. That epoch witnessed the birth of three movements, Which were destined to stamp a character upon the future of Europe, and powerfully to modify the conflict then in progress in Christendom. In 1534 the Jesuits recorded their first vow in the Church of Montmartre, in Paris. In 1540 their society was regularly launched by the Papal edict. In 1542, Paul III issued the bull for the re-establishment of the Inquisition; and in 1541 Calvin returned to Geneva, to prepare that spiritual army that was to wage battle with Jesuitism backed by the Inquisition.]

The following information has nothing to do with Chick or Rivera.

The History of the Jesuits by J.A. Wylie LL.D.,
Excerpted from the massive 2 vol. History of Protestantism
http://www.bpc.org/reading_room/books/wylie/protestantism.html



The History of the Jesuits Chapter 5
THE JESUIT TEACHING ON REGICIDE, MURDER, LYING, THEFT, ETC.


The lawfulness of killing excommunicated, that is Protestant, kings, the Jesuit writers have been at great pains to maintain, and by a great variety of arguments to defend and enforce. The proof is as abundant as it is painful. M. de la Chalotais reports to the Parliament of Bretagne, as the result of his examination of the laws and doctrines of the Jesuits, that on this point there is a complete and startling unanimity in their teaching. By the same logical track do the whole host of Jesuit writers arrive at the same terrible conclusion, the slaughter, namely, of the sovereign on whom the Pope has pronounced sentence of deposition. If he shall take meekly his extrusion from Power, and seek neither to resist nor revenge his being hurled from his throne, his life may be spared; but should "he persist in disobedience," says M. de la Chalotais, himself a Papist, and addressing a Popish Parliament, "he may be treated as a tyrant, in which case anybody may kill him.1 Such is the course of reasoning established by all authors of the society, who have written ex professo on these subjects—Bellarmine, Suarez, Molina, Mariana, Santarel—all the Ultramontanes without exception, since the establishment of the society."2

http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits5.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits5.html)
The History of the Jesuits Chapter 6
THE "SECRET INSTRUCTIONS" OF THE JESUITS.
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits6.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits6.html)
The History of the Jesuits Chapter 7
JESUIT MANAGEMENT OF RICH WIDOWS AND THE HEIRS OF GREAT FAMILIES.
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits7.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits7.html)




The History of the Jesuits Chapter 8
DIFFUSION OF THE JESUITS THROUGHOUT CHRISTENDOM.
http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits8.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits8.html)

The chapter above is important because it why I witnessed Roman Catholic liturgy and icons being introduced into a prosperus Mennonite Church in Virginia by a new young pastor.

This next chapter is important because it is linked to the the American Revolution and what the Jesuits were up with the Masons to while they were banshed from the Roman Catholic Church.

Jesuit Bishop John Carroll was the first American bishop and the founder of Georgetown University. He was a member of the prominent Carroll family -- his brother Daniel owned most of the land where the Capitol is now

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:DEXaAHYTOTAJ:www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_founding_fathers_maryland.html+john+Carroll,+Daniel,+constitution+Charles&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

located and his brother, "Charles Carroll of Carollton", signed the Declaration of Independence.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:tSRnITQn448J:kittytours.org/thatman2/search.asp%3Fsubject%3D151+john+Carroll,+brother+Daniel&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3
This is the Jesuit and Masonic undercover Take over of America at the same time as they were taking over Masonic Germany under Frederick the Great and Russia under Cathrine The Great and Czar Paul

The History of the Jesuits Chapter 9
COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES AND BANISHMENT.


http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits9.html (http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/Domain/thingsyouneverknew/jesuithistory/jesuits9.html)


Pope Benedict XVI was elected in April 2005, after the death of his predecessor Pope John Paul II. As head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - once known as the Holy Office of the Inquisition - from 1981 until his election, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger had developed a reputation as a tough theologian.

Yet this tough theologian is seen kissing the Islamic Koran. And what does it prove? That the Pope is a secret Muslim maybe? That the Pope doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ maybe? That the Pope is a relativist, perhaps? A syncretist for sure? That all religions are one in the Pope’s mind? The Pope also kisses the ground upon landing in various countries on pastoral visits. A secret pantheist? Unlikely

Here is a Jesuit style argument for the Pope.
http://www.tcrnews2.com/genjp2000.html (http://www.tcrnews2.com/genjp2000.html)

Secrecy and secret societies is not the way of Jesus Christ
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masons.htm (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masons.htm)

As a disciple of Jesus Christ I suggest we all follow the example of the Ana-baptist Swiss brethren and return to the simple gospel of Jesus Christ and reject the winds of doctrine we have been exposed to.




The reliable source was a photo of the pope kissing kissing the Koran in the New York Times. I had a very viscrial reaction.



No doubt but [COLOR=#330000].A. Wylie LL.D.,
2 vol. History of Protestantism is not a questionable source.
http://www.bpc.org/reading_room/books/wylie/protestantism.html



And I am grateful for you calling my attention to that.
We must separate the chaff from the wheat.



The Quaker Friends taught me to listen.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

This is what I just found online.
If you Type in his name on Google search a lot will come up. I have read the whole work over the last few years, and its worth the time.
[
www.jesus-is-lord.com (http://www.jesus-is-lord.com)]


[ Who is
James A. Wylie?I was so utterly impressed with the writings of Mr. J.A. Wylie that I wrote to the Bible Presbyterian Church asking for information on the man. What I received from them is the information you'll read on this page.
The following quote on J.A. Wylie is taken from a Publisher's Preface by Mourne Missionary Press:

"The Rev. James Aitken Wylie was for many years a leading Protestant spokesman. Born in Scotland in 1808, he was educated at Marischal College, Aberdeen and at St. Andrews; he entered the Original Seccession Divinity Hall, Edinburgh in 1827, and was ordained in 1831. Dr. Wylie became sub-editor of the Edinburgh Witness in 1846, and, after joining the Free Church of Scotland in 1852, edited the Free Church Record from 1852 until 1860. In 1860 he was appointed Lecturer on Popery at the Protestant Institute, a position he held until the year of his death. Aberdeen University awarded him the LL.D. in 1856.
"Dr. Wylie was a prolific writer on Protestant themes. In 1851 the Evangelical Alliance awarded him first prize for his writing The Papacy (http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/papacy/overview.htm), which he submitted as his entry for a competition for the best essay on Popery.
"The writing for which Wylie is best known is his History of Protestantism which extends to nearly 2,000 pages and was first published in 1878."
Closing comments from Mr. Clouse of the Bible Presbyterian church--

By the way, there are 24 "books" in all, so there is much more to come. Amy Floyd, who works with me at Datastream, is helping to edit the chapters, and she hopes to accelerate the pace in the next few months. I have completed the scanning and initial editing of 11 of the books.
I am pleased that you are interested in the book. I am concerned about the advances being made by Rome and the decay of Protestantism. Rome's purpose, as given in the Pope's Encyclical (Ut Unam Sint, I believe it is), is to bring Protestantism back into the Roman Church in the year 2000. It appears that much of Protestantism is ripe for the harvest. Please feel free to distribute these materials as widely as possible.Thank you Mr. John Clouse, I will! ]



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They first disciples of Jesus Christ and the Swiss Anabaptists were killed because of what they believed. We should expect the same treatment.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

[Crazy Liz]

Please do not hyphenate (ana-baptist) or use an internal capital (AnaBaptist) as these are offensive to some, implying that we are an offshoot of the Baptists on the other side of the English Channel, rather than they loosely related to the earlier Anabaptists on the continent.

[Crazy Liz]

many Anabaptists in CF but now not many are posting in this forum. Is there a reason why?

Yeah. As soon as the Baptists kicked us out, it was made clear that liberals would not be welcome here, either.

[PeterWimsey]

I was raised among the Mennonites of Pennsylvania, and will support this forum with attendance and posts!

If ever we needed a witness to the "called out" nature of the Church, a refusal to be co-opted by wordly powers, and a brave commitment to being the salt and the light of the earth -this is the time.

[CelticRose]

Welcome PeterWimsy. I hope your user name is indicative of a love for Dorothy L. Sayers detective novels. I am a big fan. :)

[yeshuaslavejeff]

/// a man of peace. I am not too thrilled with ..., but if you are going to critique it use a realiable source.

Jack Chick clearly has some mental health issues and his sources are questionable to say the least.
......
***Jesus' own family thought for a time that he was mentally sick***
I'm glad chick tracts reach some people willing to have their eyes opened.

and, "of peace???"..... no way - totally deceptive.
and, "respect of who???" ....
do you mean Jesus should not have
told some leaders that they were sons of the devil but should have 'respected' them ????

[Yahweh respects no man, neither did/does Yahshua.]

Keeping quiet about the wicked one and his plans is
sometimes obedient.
Exposing the wicked one and his plans is
sometimes obedient.
But thinking the wicked ones ways are anything close to
Yahweh's is never obedient --,
at best simply tricked(as we all once were)...

[Crazy Liz]

I am still here.:wave:

I have just been rather busy working at church and doing some retraining.

I used to be active in B/A, but like tulc, have not been around since receiving the "left foot of fellowship." I've been thinking of coming back. I grew up in Mennonite Brethren churches and now belong to an Evangelical Friends church, so I find myself connected to Anabaptists and Quakers two different ways.

Vespasia, I don't think I know you. I see you are a Brit. Are you a Quaker or Brethren? Brethren are the only Anabaptists I know of in England.

:D Cool.:cool:

Don't want to lose everyone. Hope to see you back round again shortly.

Hello, CelticRose! :wave: Anabaptists and Quakers are quite a diverse group. Could you share a little more about yourself for the benefit of some of us who have been invited to come back?

I'd like to get to know some of the people who still hang out here. It seems like ZiSunka has issued an invitation for some of us who felt excluded to come back, and I'm interested in getting to know those who are here now. What other varieties of Anabaptists and Quakers do we have fellowshipping here?

[CelticRose]

Hey, Liz. I've seen you round a bit at different times. I'm sorta in here 'cause I don't fit anywhere else. I choose to be Quaker; as part of a large, noisy household silence is such a blessing! :D As there is no meeting where I currently live I attend a non~denom church. While I can't say I'm always at home in here the 'fit' is better than in other forums & it is small enough I feel I'm getting to know people. Anything else you need to know?

[ZiSunka]

Welcome back Liz!

I'm so happy to see you come back into fellowship and I hope it will be a safe place for all Anabaptists and Quakers now.

I hope seebs will come back, too.

[Crazy Liz]

Hey, Liz. I've seen you round a bit at different times. I'm sorta in here 'cause I don't fit anywhere else. I choose to be Quaker; as part of a large, noisy household silence is such a blessing! :D As there is no meeting where I currently live I attend a non~denom church. While I can't say I'm always at home in here the 'fit' is better than in other forums & it is small enough I feel I'm getting to know people. Anything else you need to know?
Not a real "need" to know, but it's nice to meet you. I see several new faces & just decided to introduce myself & ask.

:D

[CelticRose]

Nice to meet you properly too.

[PlainMeteorologist]

I've been hearing about some "left hand of fellowship" related to the Baptist forum. I'm new here. Can somebody fill me in on what that was all about? Thanks.

[ZiSunka]

It's better left in the past.

Nothing good ever comes from one part of thebody complaining about another part.

[Crazy Liz]

It's better left in the past.

Nothing good ever comes from one part of thebody complaining about another part.
Even after an amputation, right? ;)

[ZiSunka]

Even after an amputation, right? ;)

An amputation leaves the body smaller and less abled. It may save the body's life, but it is a different sometimes weaker body afterwards. :sigh:

[Crazy Liz]

An amputation leaves the body smaller and less abled. It may save the body's life, but it is a different sometimes weaker body afterwards. :sigh:
And the amputated limb is unable to make any complaint because it no longer receives life from the body.

[ZiSunka]

It would be better for the amputated part to make peace with the body before the surgery. But that isn't always possible, sadly. Some parts don't want to have peace with the body, they want to rule the body and make the body unhealthy and painful.

[vespasia]

Hallo Liz,

Open Brethren. [In the UK most now use the label 'evengelical chapel' rather than Brethren Assembly as that was getting mixed up with the exclusive Brethren following the soul searching of the 1980's on should we and how can we outreach the 93% unchurched people of the UK.]

We still have the Plymouth Brethren too but again most just call themselves christians as we do.
The Exclusive brethren tend to be very insular here

The elders choose to cease using the label Brethren as it was hindering telling people about Christ as they thought the brethren were some kind of weird cult based on some of the extreme end of beliefs adopted by some of the exclusive brethren so they were unwilling to stay around long enough to hear the gospel news of grace.

We do have mennonites and quakers in the UK.

[Crazy Liz]

Thanks, vespasia. I haven't been around much in a while & appreciate getting to know the people who have found their way here while I was away.

[Joykins]

Let's talk limb reattachment :cool:

[ZiSunka]

Let's talk limb reattachment :cool:

That limb was keeping people feeling excluded from their own forum. Let's try getting healthy before we attempt reattachment.

[Joykins]

I was thinking about the other limb. I think. :scratch:

[Crazy Liz]

That limb was keeping people feeling excluded from their own forum. Let's try getting healthy before we attempt reattachment.
A detached limb can get healthy before it is re-attached to the body?

[CaDan]

Can I hang around a little? I am The Worst Catholic On the Internet (tm) :D

And one of my priests did hard time for "crossing the line" at the School of the Americas. That's got to be worth something!

[ZiSunka]

Sure CaDan! Everyone is welcome to hang around here. :)

[ZiSunka]

A detached limb can get healthy before it is re-attached to the body?

LOL!

Only in sci-fi movies I guess! :D

I was thinking that for those limbs that were constantly excluding people from this forum by enforcing their own exclusive brand of A/Q, it may be too soon to reattach them to this body. If they allow themselves to be regenerated by the power of Christ, they will become healthy enough for reattachment. But as long as they are all about severing others, I can't say that I'm ready to see them come back and be disruptive again.

You, and the others who were excluded by them, are not diseased limbs, and there is no reason to wait for you all to be reattached. :)