A Rabbi's Call to America's Christians

[jlujan69]

http://www.towardtradition.org/index.cfm?PAGE_ID=284

This guy seems cool, at least from a religio-political perspective. I am, after all, a Christian Zionist--as all Christians should be!:cool:

As that song goes, "He's the Mighty One of Israel".

[Bleeah]

Brother, thank you for posting this. A cogent warning to American Christians.

[mothcorrupteth]

I've looked at Richard Dawkins' stuff. It reminds me of eugenics. But I have to disagree with the Rabbi on one point--I think Dawkins wouldn't mind giving Islam the boot from Britain. But the man's definitely got it out for Christians in particular, because he spends the most coherent parts of his rants pulling Old Testament quotes out of context to blaspheme and show why he thinks Yweh is evil.

But eugenics all over again it is. From Dawkins' perception of things, it starts with sterilization, stopping the intergenerational flow of Christian faith. Abolish Christian schools, teach kids evolutionary pseudoscience instead. Eventually, it becomes a crime to teach your kid about Jesus at all. (It's not so far-fetched; people like Dawkins call it child abuse.) Then, when they've locked us in asylums and they figure out silencing us is going too slow, then they'll try to figure out how to put us down for good. And they'll justify it in the name of progress and libertarian values. Christians are hurting our ascent as a species. They have to go. I've heard this rhetoric, believe it or not.

The Rabbi's right, friends; the fight starts with one.

[Lisa0315]

Good thread. All of God's people should stand united with each other, and realize that a war against ALL religion is beginning. It is not an individual, a group, a faith, or even a country that we are at war with, but Satan. However, it is part of God's plan, but we must prepare. We will not win the battle, but praise God, our Lord will win the war!

Lisa

[twistedsketch]

Anyone familiar with the attitude on college campuses these last few years knows this. It's time that those that don't wake up.

[cubanito]

This forum is filled w those who call themselves Christian, and gladly stand w Dawkins.

It was the same in the 1920's, w liberal Jews backing Lenin then Stalin.

From the 20th century onwards the most important division among Christians is the Inerrancy of the Bible. Those for whom the Bible is a mythological springboard from which to construct their own personal ethos have been consistently on the side of Christianity's enemies. These liberal and neo-orthodox Christians (and some truly are Christians) have been the "useful idiots" of first atheism, and now Islam.

JR

[jlujan69]

This forum is filled w those who call themselves Christian, and gladly stand w Dawkins.

It was the same in the 1920's, w liberal Jews backing Lenin then Stalin.

From the 20th century onwards the most important division among Christians is the Inerrancy of the Bible. Those for whom the Bible is a mythological springboard from which to construct their own personal ethos have been consistently on the side of Christianity's enemies. These liberal and neo-orthodox Christians (and some truly are Christians) have been the "useful idiots" of first atheism, and now Islam. JR

Cubanito, I am so impressed with your post that I'm thinking about adding it to my sig. It's so insightful, biting, yet entirely accurate. I've already cited you on another forum. So, what's your "cut"?;)

[arunma]

Anyone familiar with the attitude on college campuses these last few years knows this. It's time that those that don't wake up.

I'm not sure about that. I spent the last 4 and a half years of my life on a college campus, and I detected no particularly anti-Christian attitude. I think the error might come about because college students are more open about their views and beliefs than others. As such, you'll hear many students vocally express the anti-Christian views that many Americans quietly harbor. But on the contrary, you'll also see many evangelical college students actively preaching the Gospel, whereas those of us who live in the real world tend to be more quiet when it comes to Jesus.

In fact, I think that college campuses are a great place for the Gospel to flourish. In the real world, people look at you strangely when you walk up to a random person and talk about Jesus. At college campuses you can do this with impunity. That's the reason that many college ministries are so successful. Contrary to popular wisdom, college is not a heathen breeding ground. It is the place for a free exchange of ideas, which is always a good thing.

As to the OP, I've got some comments, but I'd better read the Rabbi's essay carefully before I make them.

[twistedsketch]

In fact, I think that college campuses are a great place for the Gospel to flourish. In the real world, people look at you strangely when you walk up to a random person and talk about Jesus. At college campuses you can do this with impunity. That's the reason that many college ministries are so successful. Contrary to popular wisdom, college is not a heathen breeding ground. It is the place for a free exchange of ideas, which is always a good thing.
What you say CAN be a possibility, but I haven't really seen that. I have seen the Gospel rejected in many ways on campus. Students just haven't been very receptive to the Gospel where I live. Then you have a handful of campuses that have begun banning campus ministries, and a handful of professors (the worst of which that I know of is Richard Dawkins) who would love to see our religion wiped out and wouldn't mind seeing us persecuted. Christians have been made out to be the bad guys because of our beliefs.

[joppajava]

Thanks for the post. So very true

[arunma]

doing standing up for Jesus Christ and encouraging Christians to earnestly contend for their faith? Sounds a bit suspect to me. Don't Christians know that Talmudic Judaism is an antithesis of Christianity, and that religious Jews have rejected Jesus Christ, and hate him without a cause. One only has to read the gospels to find out what Christ had to say about the Pharisaic leaders of the Jews; and the leaders of the Jews today believe and teach the same doctrine as the Pharisees did in the first century, because it has been codified and preserved in the Talmud, which is the 'manual' used in the training of rabbis. The Acts of the Apostles provide a stirring account of persecution of Christians by Jews, and the leaders of the Jews have never ceased to plot the destruction of Christians and Christianity from that day to this. I would question the integrity and sincerity of any Orthodox Jew who says he supports Christianity, and would be very surprised if he didn't have a hidden agenda when making statements like those made by the rabbi in the link provided by the person who started this thread.

Well I agree with all of your theological points. Orthodox Judaism stands in contrast to Christianity, and the opinions of Jews are of no theological consequence to Christians. However, it would be great folly for us to bear Jews any ill will. Jews generally do not hate Jesus, and I doubt that this rabbi has a malicious hidden agenda. But like all unbelievers, Jews fail to believe in him, and will go to hell unless their hearts are changed.

Therefore we ought to show the love of Jesus towards Jews. This is, after all, what the Apostles did, even when the Jews attacked them for it.