J-sus loves everybody[open]

[stone]

ok, so how does this work, what does it mean?

How can g-d love everybody and at the same time we have people like the islamic terrorist and the north koreans that admit to developing weapons for the americans?

I guess you could say that this is my latest message, that J-sus loves everybody.

Buddhist, atheist, cannibals in the south american rain forest, all of these guys? Is this why his message is to be spread about the globe?

[BoazB]

I think G-d is more fair to mankind than is ever deserved. It is written that G-d shows Himself righteous to the upright, but shrewd to the wicked. Probably one arch-villian must be Pharoah. When G-d first speaks about Pharoah to Moses, He spoke about the plague of the death of the first born. So what was the purpose of the other 9 plagues, if Pharoah was going to say, "No," anyway. I believe that the other 9 plagues were warnings. G-d has always been a G-d of love. What Pharoah deserved was to be struck first time.

[AbiYah]

I think a lot of times people don't understand what this really does mean, so thank you for opening this thread! :thumbsup:

I think sometimes the love G-d has is kind of a tough love. Like "I love you, but I detest what you are doing; but the punishment you will have if you stay on this road of destruction, I want to save you from at all cost.. Accept me, I am your father"...

Maybe once each of us has our own children we will understand it better. . I think each time I see a parent correct their small child, and that child realize the wrong and come back hugging and kissing their mom or day saying "I'm sorry!" - that it is a tiny picture of what we do when we mess up and are corrected.

I think if we could one day just tap into that love; we would be very transformed in our reactions to everyone around us, wouldn't we? We would take time with each person and be nicer.. at least I think so

[Shimshon]

Stone, your post reminds me of 'love the sinner, hate the sin'.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave.......

Who did God love?

The way I aproach this is as a father. Our children are born sinful, with desires and actions that are not 'wise, nor godly'. We are given these children as a test from God. He gives us little images of us and teaches us how to deal with them. We don't hate our child when they sin against us and God. We love them, in kindness and in correction. Justly and with chesed.

Without fully understanding the relationship of a father and son I imagine it is quite difficult to relate to God loving the world in their sin, so much that he gave his physical body as an offering. For the sinners of the world. It is my experience that the adversary has been seeking to destroy the family for a very long time. With a twisted view of family one will grow a twisted view of God.

But where God is, love abounds. Even in those who where never given Torah.

Romans 5:8 But God commends his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Messiah died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God's wrath through him. 10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we will be saved by his life.


While we were enemies we were reconciled to God. Because God loved the 'world'. All his creation. Just like Avraham was reconciled 'before' his circumcision, as a gentile. So too is the world reconciled before the circumcision of their hearts. Thru faith in Yeshua's kindness.

John 10:16 I have other sheep, which are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will hear my voice. They will become one flock with one shepherd.

Other sheep are his, he loves them, they are part of his flock and he is their shepherd.


It also reminds me of these verses;

1 John 4:7-13 7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God, and knows God. 8 He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love. 9 By this was God's love revealed in us, that God has sent his only born Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God loved us so, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God remains in us, and his love has been perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we remain in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.


Yeshua loved all creation, as all creation was made by him and was give to him. All who are thirsty may come and drink the water of life, it is 'free'. We are again reconciled, and again we may eat from his tree. All who will believe and trust in him, that he came and offered it to us in the here and now.

What greater love has God ever bestowed upon the world? Than Yeshua HaMashiach?

[debi b]

Adonai loves his creation - no problem seeing that myself :) That is one side of the coin.

That in no way effects His standards. The other side of the coin is not diminished by His love. What it means to truely follow Him does not shift as so much sand....

[Ivy]

What Pharoah deserved was to be struck first time.

Yes, in the last parasha, God says to Pharoah, I could have struck down you and all your people with the pestilence, but I only struck the cattle.

I like what you said AbiYah. :-)

[Tishri1]

I love this thread:clap:

[MattyJames]

ok, so how does this work, what does it mean?

How can g-d love everybody and at the same time we have people like the islamic terrorist and the north koreans that admit to developing weapons for the americans?

I guess you could say that this is my latest message, that J-sus loves everybody.

Buddhist, atheist, cannibals in the south american rain forest, all of these guys? Is this why his message is to be spread about the globe?


Stone...Where in scripture does it say that Yeshua loves everybody??

questioning....

Matt James

[HadassahSukkot]

Jhn 3:16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn003.html#16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Eph 5:2 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eph/Eph005.html#2) And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

2Pe 3:9 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Pe/2Pe003.html#9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


1Jo 4:10 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Jo/1Jo004.html#10) Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.

1Jo 4:19 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Jo/1Jo004.html#19) We love him, because he first loved us.


Jhn 10:30 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn010.html#30) I and [my] Father are one.

:)

[Shimshon]

Matty, if I may, I just quoted it in my above response to stone, John 3:16. For God so loved the world.......

[MattyJames]

Malachi 1:3 'I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste...'

What say you??

MJ

[Shimshon]

was he hated because of his sins or because he was Esav? If he would have turned and loved Adonai in faith would he have still been hated? Is not T'shuvah offered to every soul? Or was Esav just born from bad seed?

Matty, are you trying to imply that God hates some people and will refuse salvation because he hates them?

[HadassahSukkot]

Malachi 1:3 'I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste...'

What say you??

MJ
There is a difference in how the word hate is used in Hebrew than in our western languages.

I would suggest fully researching the word and context before using that as a "catch-all" phrase to prove G-d doesn't love everyone.

I don't think "Hate" was the best choice of words for the translation of "sa'ne" in this passage.

It is more that Esau became an enemy of G-d, and Jacob was favored because he had a heart for G-d.

Pro 6:16 ¶ These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Pro 6:20 ¶ My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Pro 6:21 Bind them continually upon thine heart, [and] tie them about thy neck.
Pro 6:22 When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and [when] thou awakest, it shall talk with thee.
Pro 6:23 For the commandment [is] a lamp; and the law [is] light; and reproofs of instruction [are] the way of life...


Now, in the examples given in scripture, which of these did Esau not do? And tell me how he is not an enemy of G-d even to this day until he turns from his sins (as in his descendants I mean)....?

We are all enemies of G-d until we realise that fact and turn from fighting Him to fighting with Him. ;)

[MattyJames]

was he hated because of his sins or because he was Esav? If he would have turned and loved Adonai in faith would he have still been hated? Is not T'shuvah offered to every soul? Or was Esav just born from bad seed?

Matty, are you trying to imply that God hates some people and will refuse salvation because he hates them?

Psa 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Isa 48:8 Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honor, and some to dishonor.

What about Judas?? He is written in prophecy - and his actions were not of his own choice.

Some are fitted to honor - some to dishonor.

what say ye?

Matt James

[chunkofcoal]

ok, so how does this work, what does it mean?

How can g-d love everybody and at the same time we have people like the islamic terrorist and the north koreans that admit to developing weapons for the americans?

I guess you could say that this is my latest message, that J-sus loves everybody.

Buddhist, atheist, cannibals in the south american rain forest, all of these guys? Is this why his message is to be spread about the globe?
Maybe Jesus loves everybody, but not everybody loves Jesus?

[Shimshon]

I'd say I was never a fan of calvinism's limited election doctrine.

Have you ever read the gospel of Judas? He is portrayed as a martyr, a good man. The most trusted of the group (treasurer). One of the first, if not the first to actually offer his life and reputation for the will of the Father.

It portrays a very different Yehuda than identified in the four synoptic gospels.

[MattyJames]

I'd say I was never a fan of calvinism's limited election doctrine.

Have you ever read the gospel of Judas? He is portrayed as a martyr, a good man. The most trusted of the group (treasurer). One of the first, if not the first to actually offer his life and reputation for the will of the Father.

It portrays a very different Yehuda than identified in the four synoptic gospels.

HUH?? What are you talking about??

Never heard of that stuff.

My thoughts are based purely on scripture...not Calvin...however that works.

MJ

[Tishri1]

Malachi 1:3 'I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste...'

What say you??

MJ
I think I understand Matty's verse here, I think in this case the word love ment a covenent love , and hate ment no covenent love, not that Esau couldnt find the love in God as everyone else does, but that God's covenent love (favor blessing promises offered to the first born) were for his little brother to carry, and he needed to get in line with that......Same kinda reasoning as when it says....Abraham take your only son Issac....He was being identified as the bearer of the covenant. "The Promise" was in his loins, and the promise was given to him by God, to carry into the future....not so with Esau...

anyway thats a whole different topic:sorry:

[HadassahSukkot]

:thumbsup: tish :)

[Tishri1]

:thumbsup: tish :)and speaking of love ((((:hug::kiss: ))))back at cha:)

[stone]

Matthew 8:5-13 5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

[MattyJames]

I think I understand Matty's verse here, I think in this case the word love ment a covenent love , and hate ment no covenent love, not that Esau couldnt find the love in God as everyone else does, but that God's covenent love (favor blessing promises offered to the first born) were for his little brother to carry, and he needed to get in line with that......Same kinda reasoning as when it says....Abraham take your only son Issac....He was being identified as the bearer of the covenant. "The Promise" was in his loins, and the promise was given to him by God, to carry into the future....not so with Esau...

anyway thats a whole different topic:sorry:

Possibly...but not for certain. What is your take on the other scriptures I've presented??

Interested...

MJ

[Tishri1]

Psa 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Isa 48:8 Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honor, and some to dishonor.

What about Judas?? He is written in prophecy - and his actions were not of his own choice.

Some are fitted to honor - some to dishonor.

what say ye?

Matt JamesYes God knows that some will reject him but inspite of that fore knowledgeRomans 5:8-9 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. I hope that helps :wave:

[Tishri1]

Romans 5:8 But God commends his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Messiah died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God's wrath through him. 10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we will be saved by his life.


lol I knew that verse was just comming to me too fast for a reason:D

[MattyJames]

Yes God knows that some will reject him but inspite of that fore knowledge I hope that helps :wave:


Yeh. Its not straight and simple.

I'm still figuring this one out.

thanks Tish,

Matt James

[Tishri1]

Yeh. Its not straight and simple.

I'm still figuring this one out.

thanks Tish,

Matt Jamesyeh ABBA definately keeps his Talmidim on their toes

bless you ABBA for keeping us searching and good stewards of your word

:hug:(((hugs to Matty))):wave: