Exodus 34:7????

[Lotuspetal_uk]

Shalom all :hug: ,

I've decided to do a grey-matter workout today and have been looking at Ex 34:7 in relation to the term "generational sin" which tends to get batted around a lot:


34:7 showing grace to the thousandth generation, forgiving offenses, crimes and sins; yet not exonerating the guilty, but causing the negative effects of the parents' offenses to be experienced by their children and grandchildren, and even by the third and fourth generations. Can anyone clarify the Hebrew understanding of the area in bold for me?

Is this on the lines of the nature/nurture concept in psychology whereby we inherit a learnt behavioural response to what our parents exhibit to us (as well as what we take in from our environment)? Example, if a parent always insults their children, there's a possibility that the child - having experienced this behaviour - will in turn exhibit the same emotional abuse to their kids, who will then do the same to theirs etc.

Is the bold bit an indication that without repentance, the Lord will "allow" the causes of such habitual behaviour to continue to the next generation? :scratch:

I'm kind of asking this because of observations I've noticed in my 4 yr old, that I recall doing when I was the same age, but also the fact that she exhibits behaviour typical of her Dad who has not spent a lot of time in her life for me to conclude that she had watched him and learnt it directly from him.

I just find this very fascinating and was wondering whether anyone has studied this into any depth and what they've found on this. I realise that the KJV versions of the Bible has taken this out of context and so wondered what the original Hebrew translated as.

Shalom and thanks :groupray:

[Wags]

What about the mother that drinks/does drugs when pregnant. The child certainly reaps the results of that - FAS/FAE. And if they have children those same defects can be passed along. Other diseases such as AIDS are also transmitted to an unborn child.

[Lotuspetal_uk]

What about the mother that drinks/does drugs when pregnant. The child certainly reaps the results of that - FAS/FAE. And if they have children those same defects can be passed along. Other diseases such as AIDS are also transmitted to an unborn child.
Yes! I'd never thought of it like that as well, quite literally "causing the negative effects of the parents' offenses to be experienced by their children and grandchildren....."

Cool, thanks Wags :thumbsup:

[StormSeeker]

I do not have the Hebrew for you- but I can show you a fulfillment of this verse in a major way in history- when Hitler established his SS- he went through their family lineages 3 and 4 generations- any Jewish blood found and that SS was carted off.

Repentance and change in works is how this is overcome. I believe I was expereincing the culmination of generational curses of my family till I learned of what I know now and changed.

This falls in line with these verese as well-

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

[Mela'h]

To add to your thoughts Stormseeker and the scriptures you quoted is Ezekiel 18.

There is redemption from "generational sins", Abba gives us room to take responsibility for our lives.

[StormSeeker]

To add to your thoughts Stormseeker and the scriptures you quoted is Ezekiel 18.

There is redemption from "generational sins", Abba gives us room to take responsibility for our lives.

:thumbsup:

[jgonz]

I am the 4th generation in a family line of a certain sin... and the L-rd showed me it was broken in my children. Obedience to the L-rd and being redeemed by the Blood (I was the first in my generation to be saved). VERY interesting subject!

[Yovel]

Exo 34:7 keeping lovingkindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin; and that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation.


Deu 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD your God, he is God, the faithful God, who keeps covenant and loving kindness with them who love him and keep his mitzvot to a thousand generations,



Curses last for three to four generations while blessings of the LORD are to a thousand generations. Blessings are a lot more powerful than curses. Now that is AWESOME!

[HadassahSukkot]

I am in complete agreement with the past few posts :)

I have also seen and reaped the curses but I have decided that I will break the cycle with myself and begin to be shomer mitzvot as well as blessing G-d in all possible aspects of my life.

I have repented of the sins my family has carried and that I have perpetuated as mentioned in the passages we are discussing; and I have felt that change.

I am in watchful wait to see how things all even out as I continue to pray for my family to continue to grow and find out more about G-d through the things I have seen and done; and hopefully also through my wedding.

Shalom

[Lotuspetal_uk]

I do not have the Hebrew for you- but I can show you a fulfillment of this verse in a major way in history- when Hitler established his SS- he went through their family lineages 3 and 4 generations- any Jewish blood found and that SS was carted off.

Repentance and change in works is how this is overcome. I believe I was expereincing the culmination of generational curses of my family till I learned of what I know now and changed.

This falls in line with these verese as well-

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
Cool! :thumbsup:

Thank you for the other verses as well. Daughter permitting, I'm going to try to look up these verses.

Shalom and thank you!

[Lotuspetal_uk]

To add to your thoughts Stormseeker and the scriptures you quoted is Ezekiel 18.

There is redemption from "generational sins", Abba gives us room to take responsibility for our lives.

:thumbsup:

I have only learnt about this a week ago tomorrow! ^_^

Thank you for sharing that! This was another one of my personal reasons why I'd started this thread. I was after a deeper understanding of these verses.

Shalom and thankful sis!

[Lotuspetal_uk]

I am the 4th generation in a family line of a certain sin... and the L-rd showed me it was broken in my children. Obedience to the L-rd and being redeemed by the Blood (I was the first in my generation to be saved). VERY interesting subject!
Amen!

I found out last week, that my ancesters had dabbled in the occult (witchcraft).

The practice had ceased partially with my grandparents and yet there was a continued habitual behaviourial trait with my siblings, my aunts and uncles, my dad and up until last week me and my daughter.

Like you, I am the first in my family now to have broken it with my daughter.

But this new information for me was sooo fascinating, I thought I'd raise it here for a deeper study.

Thank you!

[Ivy]

Curses last for three to four generations


"To those that hate Me." If a child makes a choice to love the Lord, Yeshua can break the curse then and there.