Former Presidents Carter & Clinton call for 'A New Baptist Covenant’

[MrrrrrNiceGuy]

Former Presidents Carter & Clinton call for 'A New Baptist Covenant’

Jan 10, 2007
By Erin Roach
Baptist Press

ATLANTA (BP)--Former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton have proposed the establishment of a broadly inclusive alternative Baptist movement to counter what they called a negative image of Baptists and to address poverty, the environment and global conflicts.

Carter and Clinton kicked off their plans with a news conference Jan. 9 at the Carter Center in Atlanta, flanked by leaders of moderate Baptist groups including the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, a breakaway group of an unverified number of churches that objected to the election of conservative leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention. Carter and Clinton announced a “Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant,” tentatively set for Jan. 30-Feb. 1, 2008, at the Georgia World Congress Center in Atlanta, which they hope will attract 20,000 Baptists.

“This is a historic event for the Baptists in this country and perhaps for Christianity,” Carter said at the news conference.

Story continues here. . . (http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=24745)



Oh no! Like we really need a new Baptist denomination with a liberal agenda that will only serve to tarnish our image. I can see it coming already! :doh:



Developing story. . .

Carter Center Board Members Rebuke Carter’s Leadership

Jan 11, 2007
By Staff
Baptist Press

ATLANTA (BP)--Two days after launching his bid to lead a new Baptist movement, Jimmy Carter’s leadership of the Carter Center was rejected by 14 members of his advisory board.

The 14 advisory board members at the former president’s human rights center resigned in protest Jan. 11, citing Carter's controversial book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," and his lopsided advocacy for the Palestinian cause, The Wall Street Journal has reported.

Carter and former President Bill Clinton announced their initiative Jan. 9 to unite moderate and liberal Baptists along issues that align with the Democratic Party’s political agenda. A proposed 2008 confab, “Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant,” will coincide with a U.S. presidential election year when Clinton’s wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D.-N.Y.), is a possible candidate.

Story continues here. . . (http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=24746)



Way 2 go advisory board! :thumbsup:

[arunma]

Well, I like Clinton as a politician, and I'd vote for him for almost any political office. But for rather obvious reasons, I don't think I'd trust him to run the church.

[DLMoody]

I don't like the sound of Clinton mingling with Christianity. Unless of course he has changed hs opinions o things such as the existence of absolute truth.

[mlqurgw]

Well, I like Clinton as a politician, and I'd vote for him for almost any political office. But for rather obvious reasons, I don't think I'd trust him to run the church.I wonder how much the former Presidents are being paid for this. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't in the millions. I have to doubt the sincerity of any who use their public name in order to make money.

[HumbleMan]

If the organization would stick to biblical principals of helping those that most need it- the poor, disabled, widowed, orphaned, etc.- then it might not be a bad idea.

Unfortunately, I can see this turning into a platform to endorse socio-behavioral patterns instead of address economic problems.

[RajunCajun86]

yeah clinton and carter sticking their noses where they don't belong.....once again

i don't trust either of them a far as i could throw them

[Seeker of the Truth]

I don't respect either former presidents, so I couldn't care less of they have to say.

[MikeMcK]

Former Presidents Carter & Clinton call for 'A New Baptist Covenant’

Jan 10, 2007
By Erin Roach
Baptist Press

ATLANTA (BP)--Former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton have proposed the establishment of a broadly inclusive alternative Baptist movement to counter what they called a negative image of Baptists and to address poverty, the environment and global conflicts.

Carter and Clinton kicked off their plans with a news conference Jan. 9 at the Carter Center in Atlanta, flanked by leaders of moderate Baptist groups including the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, a breakaway group of an unverified number of churches that objected to the election of conservative leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention. Carter and Clinton announced a “Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant,” tentatively set for Jan. 30-Feb. 1, 2008, at the Georgia World Congress Center in Atlanta, which they hope will attract 20,000 Baptists.

“This is a historic event for the Baptists in this country and perhaps for Christianity,” Carter said at the news conference.

Story continues here. . . (http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=24745)



Oh no! Like we really need a new Baptist denomination with a liberal agenda that will only serve to tarnish our image. I can see it coming already! :doh:

Bill Clinton telling Christians how to be better Christians?

I don't even have a response for that.

[MrJim]

:D
I just heard that a bunch of President Carter's staff resigned because of antisemitic issues in his latest book...

[Christianbelle]

I've also read that the Clintons use to hold psychic activities within the White House, such as séances.

[arunma]

I've also read that the Clintons use to hold psychic activities within the White House, such as séances.

That one smells more like fundamentalist propaganda. President Clinton, much like President Bush, was at least nominally Christian. All modern Presidents have had to do this. To practice any religion other than Christianity or (perhaps) Judaism would be political suicide. I'm fairly certain that President Clinton wouldn't have had a séance at the White House, for fear of public opinion.

Then again, President Clinton did various other activities in the White House without concern for public opinion...

[Lisa0315]

Former Presidents Carter & Clinton call for 'A New Baptist Covenant’

Jan 10, 2007
By Erin Roach
Baptist Press

ATLANTA (BP)--Former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton have proposed the establishment of a broadly inclusive alternative Baptist movement to counter what they called a negative image of Baptists and to address poverty, the environment and global conflicts.

Carter and Clinton kicked off their plans with a news conference Jan. 9 at the Carter Center in Atlanta, flanked by leaders of moderate Baptist groups including the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, a breakaway group of an unverified number of churches that objected to the election of conservative leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention. Carter and Clinton announced a “Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant,” tentatively set for Jan. 30-Feb. 1, 2008, at the Georgia World Congress Center in Atlanta, which they hope will attract 20,000 Baptists.

“This is a historic event for the Baptists in this country and perhaps for Christianity,” Carter said at the news conference.

Story continues here. . . (http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=24745)



Oh no! Like we really need a new Baptist denomination with a liberal agenda that will only serve to tarnish our image. I can see it coming already!


Oh, Yes, Having Clinton head this up will CERTAINLY clean up our image. :doh: :eek: :sick: :cry: :help:

Lisa

[aReformedPatriot]

Hrrmm.

I wonder what the doctrinal distinctives of their group will be.

All in all I take the news with a "figures" attitude.

[MissMorals]

NO RESPECT FOR JIMMY CARTER???

call me an ignorant brit but he was your only president with compassion as far as i'm concerned. not a great politician, but a fabulous person.

cheers!
norah

[aReformedPatriot]

Im an american, 23 years old, and I dont even remember his presidency. You're an 18 year old red coat (take no offense I'd like to immigrate). But I would hardly say all the presidents before or since are compassionless.

[MrrrrrNiceGuy]

Ok, I have added some new information to the OP, everyone! :thumbsup:

[MissMorals]

Im an american, 23 years old, and I dont even remember his presidency. You're an 18 year old red coat (take no offense I'd like to immigrate). But I would hardly say all the presidents before or since are compassionless.

my goodness i just realised how dumb i was to say that. lincoln too. as a black woman i have give you that.

:doh:

[Lisa0315]

NO RESPECT FOR JIMMY CARTER???

call me an ignorant brit but he was your only president with compassion as far as i'm concerned. not a great politician, but a fabulous person.

cheers!
norah

He was a nice guy but he was completely ineffective as President. Inflation was up. Unemployment was high. The Iranians took hostages.

It is like at my job. There is a nice Christian lady who works with me. I love her as a person, but she is so unable to do her job, it makes it very frustrating for the rest of us. Yet, she is soooo nice that it is hard to stay mad at her.

Lisa

[Matthan]

Jimmy and the Slickster have joined forces to start a "moderate" Baptist movement. Well, they both sure knew how to compromise. I must ask what is their ultimate goals. Of course that would depend on what the definition of "is" is, wouldn't it?

Matthan

[IisJustMe]

These two clowns have sought to redefine the political agenda of the middle-of-the-road Democrats. They may as well try their misguided hands at faith, too.

[Joykins]

Im an american, 23 years old, and I dont even remember his presidency. You're an 18 year old red coat (take no offense I'd like to immigrate). But I would hardly say all the presidents before or since are compassionless.

I remember the Carter presidency. I consider it mostly a failure, for reasons outside Carter's control. The Iran hostage situation and the failed rescue attempt, accompanied by bad economic times at home, just torpedoed Carter. Yet Carter is and was a devout man, a born-again Southern Baptist who was unafraid to speak about the gospel to the foreign leaders he met, and who has done much good since the end of his presidency.

[PaladinGirl]

Is this story related? http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jan/07011104.html

[Project 86]

Well, I like Clinton as a politician, and I'd vote for him for almost any political office. But for rather obvious reasons, I don't think I'd trust him to run the church.

Why would you still vote for a felon (lied under oath) who last time was in office was having sex with his young secretary on the job and also is known for other adulteress affairs?

[Phileoeklogos]

Bill and Jim's Misfortunate Misadventure!

[Matthan]

Always remember that Jimmy the C was the one who revealed our "Stealth" technology to our enemies, and he did it strictly for political purposes, a feeble attempt to increase his own poll numbers in a completely failed administration.

Of course Slick Willie gave the Chinese Communists the necessary technology to miniaturize nuclear weapons as well as the ability to target specific points with the missiles carrying them.

So, to all the people who have stated they support either of these jerks in any way, just remember that with ex-presidents like these, we really do not need enemies....

Matthan

[RajunCajun86]

don't forget old jimmy also gave away the panama canal in which countless americans died to build, good one jimbo

not to mention his recent unprofessional outspokeness with disagreements with our current president

[rkymtnjesusfreak]

Former Presidents Carter & Clinton call for 'A New Baptist Covenant’

Jan 10, 2007
By Erin Roach
Baptist Press

ATLANTA (BP)--Former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton have proposed the establishment of a broadly inclusive alternative Baptist movement to counter what they called a negative image of Baptists and to address poverty, the environment and global conflicts.

Carter and Clinton kicked off their plans with a news conference Jan. 9 at the Carter Center in Atlanta, flanked by leaders of moderate Baptist groups including the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, a breakaway group of an unverified number of churches that objected to the election of conservative leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention. Carter and Clinton announced a “Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant,” tentatively set for Jan. 30-Feb. 1, 2008, at the Georgia World Congress Center in Atlanta, which they hope will attract 20,000 Baptists.

“This is a historic event for the Baptists in this country and perhaps for Christianity,” Carter said at the news conference.

Story continues here. . . (http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=24745)



Oh no! Like we really need a new Baptist denomination with a liberal agenda that will only serve to tarnish our image. I can see it coming already! :doh:



Developing story. . .

Carter Center Board Members Rebuke Carter’s Leadership

Jan 11, 2007
By Staff
Baptist Press

ATLANTA (BP)--Two days after launching his bid to lead a new Baptist movement, Jimmy Carter’s leadership of the Carter Center was rejected by 14 members of his advisory board.

The 14 advisory board members at the former president’s human rights center resigned in protest Jan. 11, citing Carter's controversial book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," and his lopsided advocacy for the Palestinian cause, The Wall Street Journal has reported.

Carter and former President Bill Clinton announced their initiative Jan. 9 to unite moderate and liberal Baptists along issues that align with the Democratic Party’s political agenda. A proposed 2008 confab, “Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant,” will coincide with a U.S. presidential election year when Clinton’s wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D.-N.Y.), is a possible candidate.

Story continues here. . . (http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=24746)



Way 2 go advisory board! :thumbsup:

To all of this I simply say YIKES!! I wonder what my favorite SBC leader, Adrian Rogers, would have thought about all of this?!;)

[RajunCajun86]

To all of this I simply say YIKES!! I wonder what my favorite SBC leader, Adrian Rogers, would have thought about all of this?!;)
adrian is the man

[Samuel_Rigby]

LOL!

Q: What do you do when the church will not endorse your candidacy?

A: You form your own church!

[arunma]

Why would you still vote for a felon (lied under oath) who last time was in office was having sex with his young secretary on the job and also is known for other adulteress affairs?

Because he is a Democrat, and voting Democrat is the most effective way so advance the political agendas that I would like to support. For the purposes of policymaking, it doesn't matter to me if he is a drunkard and a blasphemer, so long as he does what I want him to do while in office.

Of course, if there were another Democratic alternative, then I'd take that person over Clinton. I suppose what I'm saying is that I wouldn't vote Republican simply to satisfy a morality requirement. In fact, about the only thing that would make me vote Republican is if the other guy was a Muslim.

Oh wait...

[KarrieTex]

yeah clinton and carter sticking their noses where they don't belong.....once again

i don't trust either of them a far as i could throw them
I have to agree.

I also see it as a way for them to push their own political agenda as well as garning a new voting geographic.

[KarrieTex]

I remember the Carter presidency. I consider it mostly a failure, for reasons outside Carter's control. The Iran hostage situation and the failed rescue attempt, accompanied by bad economic times at home, just torpedoed Carter. Yet Carter is and was a devout man, a born-again Southern Baptist who was unafraid to speak about the gospel to the foreign leaders he met, and who has done much good since the end of his presidency.
Perhaps but some of his ideology borders on the socialist side. Not to mention the liveral view he is starting to adhere to about Christianity.

[rkymtnjesusfreak]

adrian is the man

You Bet Ya! I am so glad that they continue to air him even though he has been called HOME!!!

Okay, back to the thread...........

[VT_Boy]

IMO Clinton is only doing it for political reasons.

[AJ]

my goodness i just realised how dumb i was to say that. lincoln too. as a black woman i have give you that.

:doh:
Abe wasn't as great as most think... He had a real dark streak. You should read up on him. :) One of many misconceptions we have about our historical figures. He was actually quite racist.

[Joykins]

Perhaps but some of his ideology borders on the socialist side. Not to mention the liveral view he is starting to adhere to about Christianity.


You say that like it's a bad thing. ^_^

[aReformedPatriot]

thank you, that was nice and arrogant. ah well, we know what the old cliche says about ignorance being bliss...

cheers!
norah

I do as well to an extent. But not for arrogant purposes. I cannot relate to you how well I believe Tony Blair or Parliament to be doing, at least not from a perspective that understands British culture and a modern British worldview. Neither can you look at our country from the perspective of an American citizen with a complete grasp of our worldview. We each have our lenes and are different on many levels.

Thats not saying I'll prohibit you from praise or critique, but I am less apt to be influenced by your opinion than I am that of an American.

PS: Politics = Boring (for the most part).

[MrrrrrNiceGuy]

ULTIMATUM: MissMorals and KarrieTex! Please just knock it off both of you and stop trying to ruin my thread! :doh:

Thank you very much! :thumbsup:

[aReformedPatriot]

ULTIMATUM: MissMorals and KarrieTex! Please just knock it off both of you and stop trying to ruin my thread! :doh:

Thank you very much! :thumbsup:

Yea! Or no more MrrrrrNiceGuy! ^_^

*I crack myself up*

[MrJim]

Yea! Or no more MrrrrrNiceGuy! ^_^

*I crack myself up*

yer a riot:D

[christian73]

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[christian73]

Just a friendly reminder:

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[IisJustMe]

IMO Clinton is only doing it for political reasons.Gee, ya think?

[RayTX]

I can see where Carter would like to see Baptist unity and I am still idealistic enough to applaud that desire, but this being initiated by him and Clinton at this time, definitely seems to be a ploy to entice conservatives to support Democrats in the next presidential election.

I honestly believe that Carter is thinking about a revised "covenant" that was used universally by Baptists (primarily Southern Baptists) that used to be posted on walls and in hymnals decades ago.

[arunma]

I can see where Carter would like to see Baptist unity and I am still idealistic enough to applaud that desire, but this being initiated by him and Clinton at this time, definitely seems to be a ploy to entice conservatives to support Democrats in the next presidential election.

I honestly believe that Carter is thinking about a revised "covenant" that was used universally by Baptists (primarily Southern Baptists) that used to be posted on walls and in hymnals decades ago.

Heh, they didn't need to play the Clinton card to make it work on this conservative!

[JPPT1974]

Really they shouldn't make politics
Out of religion as they should leave that out of it!