Messianics? [Thread split from "If you eat something Unclean"]

[skatepixie]

I'm still a little unclear.

Could someone who was raised Christian become Messianic? The reason I ask is someone I know is interested in it because they feel that MJ is closer to the early Church and closer to what Jesus/Yeshua intended.

[LadyGarnetRose]

Anybody can be Messianic.

[Torah]

I'm still a little unclear.

Could someone who was raised Christian become Messianic? The reason I ask is someone I know is interested in it because they feel that MJ is closer to the early Church and closer to what Jesus/Yeshua intended.
Could someone who was raise Christian become Messianic?
Yes

MJ is closer to the early Church and closer to what Jesus/Yeshua intended.
This is 100% accrete

Shalom

[Shimshon]

True, but not everybody becomes a "Jew" or Jewish when they claim to be Messianic.

Gentiles do not become Jews. And Jews do not become gentiles. Both are reconciled to God through Yeshua.

A Christian is a Gentile child of God through Yeshua.
A Messianic is a Jewish child of God through Yeshua.

A Christian can cast aside the tradtions of men formed within the gentile church and consider themself a Messianic. Just as a Jew can cast aside the tradition of men formed with the rabbinical orthodox kehillot and consider themself a Messianic.

Both are One in Yeshua, Jew AND Gentile. Both have cast aside traditions of men for the Truth given by God.

They came to this understanding by the power and indwelling of the Spirit God gave to the world.

Christian and Messianic are have the same meaning. They mean 'anointed one'. One who has been anointed with the Spirit of God. You don't have to be a Jew to be anointed. And a Jew donsn't have to become a gentile to be annointed.

So yes, anyone can call themselves a Messianic. But it's the qualifier that presents the confusion. Messianic "Jew" or Messianic 'Gentile'. How about a Messianic Eskimo? Possible. What about a Messianic Japanese? Or a Messianic Arab? Do they all become Messianic 'Jews'? That is rediculous, in my opinon.

[Torah]

True, but not everybody becomes a "Jew" or Jewish when they claim to be Messianic.

Gentiles do not become Jews. And Jews do not become gentiles. Both are reconciled to God through Yeshua.

A Christian is a Gentile child of God through Yeshua.
A Messianic is a Jewish child of God through Yeshua.

A Christian can cast aside the traditions of men formed within the gentile church and consider themselves a Messianic. Just as a Jew can cast aside the tradition of men formed with the rabbinical orthodox kehillot and consider themselves a Messianic.

Both are one in Yeshua, Jew AND Gentile. Both have cast aside traditions of men for the Truth given by God.

They came to this understanding by the power and indwelling of the Spirit God gave to the world.

Christian and Messianic are having the same meaning. They mean 'anointed one'. One who has been anointed with the Spirit of God? You don't have to be a Jew to be anointed. And a Jew doesn’t have to become a gentile to be anointed.

So yes, anyone can call themselves a Messianic. But it's the qualifier that presents the confusion. Messianic "Jew" or Messianic 'Gentile'. How about a Messianic Eskimo? Possible. What about Messianic Japanese? Or a Messianic Arab? Do they all become Messianic 'Jews'? That is ridiculous, in my opinion.

I agree with what you say . I would like to throw my 2cents in here.
To call one self Messianic Eskimo, Japanese, Etc.... Is ridiculous. I would think they fall into the category of being a Gentile or Messianic 'Gentile'.

[“Christian and Messianic are having the same meaning”.] Technically they may have the same word meaning. But in an actual setting they are not the same. The word “Gay” may technically mean “happily excited” But we all know that in our society today it means something else.
Shalom

[HadassahSukkot]

This is a thread split from the thread "If you eat something unclean (http://www.christianforums.com/t4533621)".

It's great subject matter and didn't want it to get lost in all the other awesome posts. :wave:

[Sephania]

I've actually seen some Gentile woman claim to be Jewish because they married a Jewish man, I could never figure that one out. :scratch:

[plum]

Messianic is a lifestyle. It illustrates what holy days you observe, how you eat, what you wear, what day you rest on, how you give, etc.

One does not become Jewish just to be Messianic. One does not become Messianic to become more Jewish.

If you think of adoption: G-d adopted all of us into His family and into His Kingdom. But we each are from different nations. I'm your sister, but I'm Lebanese and Italian. That never changed when I became part of this Family. You might be German or Chinese. That doesn't change when we follow G-d. But also, our heritage and genetics don't determine how we follow G-d or if we're supposed to follow G-d.

Isaiah 56:3-8 3 Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the Lord say, "The Lord will surely exclude me from his people." And let not any eunuch complain, "I am only a dry tree." 4 For this is what the Lord says: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant-- 5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off. 6 And foreigners who bind themselves to the Lord to serve him, to love the name of the Lord, and to worship him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant-- 7 these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations." 8 The Sovereign Lord declares-- he who gathers the exiles of Israel: "I will gather still others to them besides those already gathered."

[Shimshon]

I've actually seen some Gentile woman claim to be Jewish because they married a Jewish man, I could never figure that one out. :scratch:
Maybe like Rahav and Rut she took on the ways of her husband and became part of his people. .

[Sephania]

True, but not everybody becomes a "Jew" or Jewish when they claim to be Messianic.

I don't know of anyone who isn't Jewish to start with become Jewish after believing in Messiah, if that were true then all the Christians would be right in claiming their replacement theology.

I've actually seen some Gentile woman claim to be Jewish because they married a Jewish man, I could never figure that one out. :scratch:

Yes, I have seen that myself, gentiles marry a Jewish man and pretend to love him and his people while secretly working against him, and talking against Jews behind his back, and the sad thing is he can't see it because he is blinded by love, so blinded his strength is gone before he knows it and he no longer can see things clearly or hear from the G-d of his fathers clearly and bad things happen. I see it happen a lot more frequently of late, and it is scary. I have seen it in my own family and you try and talk to them, but they won't listen, instead they get mad at you and then hate you and then conspire with this woman against you. It is really a spiritual battle , I guess that is why the L-RD told us to not marry outside our nation. He knows best, all the time. :)

[visionary]

I was christian and found that messianic fits better in the lifestyle and ways of the early disciples. I, too, decided to become a follower of this way. Have not regretted it. IF asked, I will say I am christian, to those who need a defining point, I will say messianic for those who are seeking more, and I will say believer to the unbeliever. Are they the same...?? No, they are a defining point on the path of righteousness. It is like asking under which lamp shall we meet.

[christinepro]

True, but not everybody becomes a "Jew" or Jewish when they claim to be Messianic.

Gentiles do not become Jews. And Jews do not become gentiles. Both are reconciled to God through Yeshua.

A Christian is a Gentile child of God through Yeshua.
A Messianic is a Jewish child of God through Yeshua.

A Christian can cast aside the tradtions of men formed within the gentile church and consider themself a Messianic. Just as a Jew can cast aside the tradition of men formed with the rabbinical orthodox kehillot and consider themself a Messianic.

Both are One in Yeshua, Jew AND Gentile. Both have cast aside traditions of men for the Truth given by God.

They came to this understanding by the power and indwelling of the Spirit God gave to the world.

Christian and Messianic are have the same meaning. They mean 'anointed one'. One who has been anointed with the Spirit of God. You don't have to be a Jew to be anointed. And a Jew donsn't have to become a gentile to be annointed.

So yes, anyone can call themselves a Messianic. But it's the qualifier that presents the confusion. Messianic "Jew" or Messianic 'Gentile'. How about a Messianic Eskimo? Possible. What about a Messianic Japanese? Or a Messianic Arab? Do they all become Messianic 'Jews'? That is rediculous, in my opinon. I remember reading in Zachariah that people will bond to the tribe of Judah and I can't remember but there is also a writing in the prophets that states that people will grab the tzitzit of a Jew and say show me the way. If anyone knows these scriptures, please list them. I guess I am a messianic Frog "French Canadian" who is grafted in!!

[Victrixa]

Hey christinepro,

Are you French Canadian too? :)

[Athaliamum]

I remember reading in Zachariah that people will bond to the tribe of Judah and I can't remember but there is also a writing in the prophets that states that people will grab the tzitzit of a Jew and say show me the way. If anyone knows these scriptures, please list them. I guess I am a messianic Frog "French Canadian" who is grafted in!!

Zachariah 8:23
Adonai-Tzva'ot says, "When that time comes, ten men will take hold - speaking all the languages of the nations - will grab hold of the cloak of a Jew and say, "We want to go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'"

[LadyGarnetRose]

I don't know of anyone who isn't Jewish to start with become Jewish after believing in Messiah, if that were true then all the Christians would be right in claiming their replacement theology.



Yes, I have seen that myself, gentiles marry a Jewish man and pretend to love him and his people while secretly working against him, and talking against Jews behind his back, and the sad thing is he can't see it because he is blinded by love, so blinded his strength is gone before he knows it and he no longer can see things clearly or hear from the G-d of his fathers clearly and bad things happen. I see it happen a lot more frequently of late, and it is scary. I have seen it in my own family and you try and talk to them, but they won't listen, instead they get mad at you and then hate you and then conspire with this woman against you. It is really a spiritual battle , I guess that is why the L-RD told us to not marry outside our nation. He knows best, all the time. :)
Then what of Ruth the Moabite?