What Does Mary Do?

[Matthan]

It's sort of fun to drop into other denom sites and read their various entries. And it is educational, too. Like listing all of the things that Mary does. I will start the list, See if you can add to it.

*Mary dispenses all grace.

*She answers prayers. Billions of prayers. Repeticious prayers, too.

S*he can get things from God that nobody else can.

Do you know of anything else she does?

Matthan

[BigChrisfilm]

It's sort of fun to drop into other denom sites and read their various entries. And it is educational, too. Like listing all of the things that Mary does. I will start the list, See if you can add to it.

*Mary dispenses all grace.

*She answers prayers. Billions of prayers. Repeticious prayers, too.

S*he can get things from God that nobody else can.

Do you know of anything else she does?

Matthan
She doesn't do anything.

[catofhope]

She doesn't do anything.

Agreed. :thumbsup:

Mary is dead and therefore can do nothing now.

[mesue]

It's sort of fun to drop into other denom sites and read their various entries. And it is educational, too. Like listing all of the things that Mary does. I will start the list, See if you can add to it.

*Mary dispenses all grace.

*She answers prayers. Billions of prayers. Repeticious prayers, too.

S*he can get things from God that nobody else can.

Do you know of anything else she does?

Matthan
Because of these different views of Mary, she often gets overlooked as an example of true surrender to God. Mary was a very good servant and an example of Godly womanhood. It's a shame we cannot speak of her in this light and not refer to what others have made up about her outside of what the Bible says about her. Do we have to perpetuate the unBiblical thinking here? Must we continue the poison? Baptists don't hold the "Traditional" view of Mary, so why the thread? It serves no purpose, in this forum, but to spew poison instead of reaching out in truth and grace.

[Gear853]

Do you know of anything else she does?

Matthan

give birth to jesus of course ^_^

Because of these different views of Mary, she often gets overlooked as an example of true surrender to God. Mary was a very good servant and an example of Godly womanhood. It's a shame we cannot speak of her in this light and not refer to what others have made up about her outside of what the Bible says about her. Do we have to perpetuate the unBiblical thinking here? Must we continue the poison? Baptists don't hold the "Traditional" view of Mary, so why the thread? It serves no purpose, in this forum, but to spew poison instead of reaching out in truth and grace.

there's no doubt she's a godly woman. but worshiping her or praying to her is idolatry. THIS of course, doesn't mean that we can't admire her, for what she was, and how she is an example to all Christian woman.

[BigChrisfilm]

I think we should change this thread into, "What DID Mary Do"

[mesue]

...there's no doubt she's a godly woman. but worshiping her or praying to her is idolatry. THIS of course, doesn't mean that we can't admire her, for what she was, and how she is an example to all Christian woman.
We don't hold to the unBiblical view of Mary. Therefore to bring the unBiblical views up to people that do not believe them to be true is kinda' like Fred Phelps protesting gay funerals ... to what real purpose? To spread hate and discontent? The only time Jesus was angry was when he was speaking directly to the Pharisees. Otherwise, when you read the Gospels, you'll see the phrase "and Jesus had compassion". Colossians tells us to let our speech be always with grace seasoned with salt. To verbally beat up someone's unBiblical beliefs just for the sake of doing this shows no compassion or grace.

[FallingWaters]

Because of these different views of Mary, she often gets overlooked as an example of true surrender to God. Mary was a very good servant and an example of Godly womanhood. It's a shame we cannot speak of her in this light and not refer to what others have made up about her outside of what the Bible says about her. Do we have to perpetuate the unBiblical thinking here? Must we continue the poison? Baptists don't hold the "Traditional" view of Mary, so why the thread? It serves no purpose, in this forum, but to spew poison instead of reaching out in truth and grace.I agree.
There are so many wonderful things a protestant can learn by her example.
But just because there is so much wrong teaching about her, the baby gets thrown out with the bath water.

I didn't count them for myself, but I heard that when the Angel came to tell her that she would become the mother of Jesus, she quoted 15 scriptures!!
How many of us have a teenage daughter who can do that?!
Sadly, not many of us, I am sure.
She surely was wonderful and godly.

[edb19]

Because of these different views of Mary, she often gets overlooked as an example of true surrender to God. Mary was a very good servant and an example of Godly womanhood. It's a shame we cannot speak of her in this light and not refer to what others have made up about her outside of what the Bible says about her. Do we have to perpetuate the unBiblical thinking here? Must we continue the poison? Baptists don't hold the "Traditional" view of Mary, so why the thread? It serves no purpose, in this forum, but to spew poison instead of reaching out in truth and grace.

Great post Sue - there is much good to be learned from Mary's example. Thanks for the reminder.

[Seeker of the Truth]

How would you like to be Mary: having lies made up about you, being prayed to when you can't do anything, and then have threads slandering your name?

[Gear853]

i don't think i have slander her name, I'm just saying she shouldn't be worship. but rather be praised and admired because she is such a awesome godly woman

[Seeker of the Truth]

Not just you, but other people either uplift her or they put her down because she is "worshiped."

[DLMoody]

We don't hold to the unBiblical view of Mary. Therefore to bring the unBiblical views up to people that do not believe them to be true is kinda' like Fred Phelps protesting gay funerals ... to what real purpose? To spread hate and discontent? The only time Jesus was angry was when he was speaking directly to the Pharisees. Otherwise, when you read the Gospels, you'll see the phrase "and Jesus had compassion". Colossians tells us to let our speech be always with grace seasoned with salt. To verbally beat up someone's unBiblical beliefs just for the sake of doing this shows no compassion or grace.
I agree with that statement to an extent. Remember how harshly Jesus rebuked Peter, especially in Mark 8:33? We must remember that when someone does somethig in the name of Jesus it should be dealt with differentily. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 tells us to judge immorality inside the church. Just a thought...I'm not taking either side really.

[arunma]

i don't think i have slander her name, I'm just saying she shouldn't be worship. but rather be praised and admired because she is such a awesome godly woman

I agree completely. But as Sue alluded, many Christians slander Mary and portray her in a negative light. Personally I think that she ought to be recognized as one of the most godly women to have ever lived, because this is how the Bible portrays her. Yes, the Catholic Church is wrong to teach Christians to ask for Mary's intercession, or to suggest that she was free of sin. But we ought not to teach unbiblical doctrines simply for the sake of being anti-Catholic.

[DeaconDean]

I agree completely. But as Sue alluded, many Christians slander Mary and portray her in a negative light. Personally I think that she ought to be recognized as one of the most godly women to have ever lived, because this is how the Bible portrays her. Yes, the Catholic Church is wrong to teach Christians to ask for Mary's intercession, or to suggest that she was free of sin. But we ought not to teach unbiblical doctrines simply for the sake of being anti-Catholic.

I couldn't agree more. Mary was blessed above all other women. And just like Noah, she found grace in the eyes of the Lord. She is an example for other women of obedience to the Lord.

Now, before one of us says something that we will regret, lets leave it at that.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[mesue]

I agree with that statement to an extent. Remember how harshly Jesus rebuked Peter, especially in Mark 8:33? We must remember that when someone does somethig in the name of Jesus it should be dealt with differentily. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 tells us to judge immorality inside the church. Just a thought...I'm not taking either side really.
The Bible is a whole Book, not just bits and pieces here and there.
Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
Peter had been a disciple for 3 years at this point and not as one of the crowd that sought Jesus. Your tone and manner of response needs to match whom you are speaking to i.e. Pharisee or seeker.
1Co:5:9: I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co:5:10: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co:5:11: But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co:5:12: For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co:5:13: But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
We are being told to judge our own by our own standard, the Bible. And to let them that are without God judge a person by their standards. If you rember, Paul said in Ch2
1Co:2:15: But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
Further, just 2 verses away from 5:13, Paul says
1Co:6:2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co:6:3: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
In 1Corinthians 5, you'll recall, Paul is speaking about a young man openly fornicating with his father's wife (vs 5:1) and rather than being shocked and upset about it, and putting that man out of the church (vs2) the church stood for it and let it continue. Why? Probably because they were of those watered down Christians that just want to feel the love and spew the "Judge not, lest ye be judged" card. It isn't that we are not supposed to judge, this is a lie from Satan, we are. It's a matter of how and when we judge that is the issue, and by what measure. We are called to judge by Biblical standards set forth by God never more harshly than we would judge ourselves, in all honesty, given the same situation.

[mesue]

I agree.
There are so many wonderful things a protestant can learn by her example.
But just because there is so much wrong teaching about her, the baby gets thrown out with the bath water.

I didn't count them for myself, but I heard that when the Angel came to tell her that she would become the mother of Jesus, she quoted 15 scriptures!!
How many of us have a teenage daughter who can do that?!
Sadly, not many of us, I am sure.
She surely was wonderful and godly.
Luke 1:46: And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
Luke 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
Luke 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
Luke 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
Luke 1:50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
Luke 1:51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
Luke 1:52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
Luke 1:53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
Luke 1:54 He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
Luke 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
verse references 15 OT and 3 NT :)
vs 46: 1 Sam 2:1-10; Ps34:2-3
vs 47: 1 Tim 1:1; Titus 3:4
vs 48: 1 Sam 1:11; Ps 138:6, Luk 1:41
vs 49: Ps 71:19; Ps 126: 2-3; Ps 111:9
vs 50: Ps 103:17
vs 51: Ps 98:1; Isa 40:10; Ps 33:10
vs 52: 1 Sam 2:7-8
vs 53: Ps 34:10
vs 54: Ps 98-3
vs 55: Gen 17-19

[mesue]

*I see lurkers of another denomination that sees Mary from a different perspective whom love to tell others their perspevtive*
*A gentle reminder of those that believe differently*
This is how Baptists view Mary and her role from a Biblical aspect. You may have a different perspective. Your perspective is not how we see it. Please don't ruin the thread and get it closed.

[thereselittleflower]

I agree completely. But as Sue alluded, many Christians slander Mary and portray her in a negative light. Personally I think that she ought to be recognized as one of the most godly women to have ever lived, because this is how the Bible portrays her. Yes, the Catholic Church is wrong to teach Christians to ask for Mary's intercession, or to suggest that she was free of sin. But we ought not to teach unbiblical doctrines simply for the sake of being anti-Catholic.

Even though you do not agree with us on everything we teach and believe about Mary, THANK YOU for saying that. :) :amen:


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[thereselittleflower]

verse references 15 OT and 3 NT :)
vs 46: 1 Sam 2:1-10; Ps34:2-3
vs 47: 1 Tim 1:1; Titus 3:4
vs 48: 1 Sam 1:11; Ps 138:6, Luk 1:41
vs 49: Ps 71:19; Ps 126: 2-3; Ps 111:9
vs 50: Ps 103:17
vs 51: Ps 98:1; Isa 40:10; Ps 33:10
vs 52: 1 Sam 2:7-8
vs 53: Ps 34:10
vs 54: Ps 98-3
vs 55: Gen 17-19

Thank you so much for providing this! :thumbsup:

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[stray bullet]

Agreed. :thumbsup:

Mary is dead and therefore can do nothing now.

She isn't in Heaven? Is she not allowed to pray?

[stray bullet]

How would you like to be Mary: having lies made up about you, being prayed to when you can't do anything, and then have threads slandering your name?

I'm curious then, do you believe Mary is in Heaven? If so, can God deliver requests for her prayers to her?

I'm trying to figure out what you are disagreeing with, exactly. Do Baptists believe God is in capable of sending messages of the living to those resurrected in Christ? Do Baptists believe you stop praying, that is, asking God to help people, once you are in Heaven? Do Baptists believe Jesus doesn't love answering the requests of his mother?

I'm not here to promote any particular sector or Christianity, but I am curious if you are against the rationale of Catholics/Orthodox/Coptics and some protestants.

[Seeker of the Truth]

She isn't in Heaven? Is she not allowed to pray?
Just curious, but what makes Mary's prayers so special?

Honest question.

I'm not being rude, so please don't take it like that.

[Seeker of the Truth]

I'm curious then, do you believe Mary is in Heaven? If so, can God deliver requests for her prayers to her?

I'm trying to figure out what you are disagreeing with, exactly. Do Baptists believe God is in capable of sending messages of the living to those resurrected in Christ? Do Baptists believe you stop praying, that is, asking God to help people, once you are in Heaven? Do Baptists believe Jesus doesn't love answering the requests of his mother?

I'm not here to promote any particular sector or Christianity, but I am curious if you are against the rationale of Catholics/Orthodox/Coptics and some protestants.
Simple answer:

Yes.

[stray bullet]

For one, there is no evidence to support whether soul's in Heaven can pray for anybody.

Secondly, yes I love my mother.

Thirdly, I don't think Jesus loves His mother more than anybody else, He saved us just as He saved her. By grace. No recording in the Bible says that Jesus gave Mary any special privileges.

Here's something to pick at:

By praying to Mary, you're hoping Jesus would answer your prayers more eagerly than if you prayed to Him, correct? So, in essence, you're using Mary?

When you ask people to pray for you, are you using them?

[mesue]

When you ask people to pray for you, are you using them?
Baptist ask live people to pray for them.
My mother lived in a Spiritualist Colony and was a medium. God doesn't like us talking to the dead, He says so in His word.

[Erinwilcox]

I know that this can be a "hot" topic. . .just a reminder. . .

1.4 Congregational Areas

You may post in any of the Congregational Forums if you agree with the contents of the Nicene Creed and the Trinitarian nature of God, but you may not argue or debate with members of particular denominations and groups in their congregational areas unless you are a member of that particular denomination or group.


Questions may be asked, but no debating is allowed and no baiting questions to spark debate may be asked.

[stray bullet]

Baptist ask live people to pray for them.
My mother lived in a Spiritualist Colony and was a medium. God doesn't like us talking to the dead, He says so in His word.

I'm curious, what is dead? Is Jesus dead?

[stray bullet]

Also, if any of you feel I am intruding, please let me know and I'll leave. I'm curious about your theological views/rationale.

[mesue]

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Stray, I know you know a lot of Batist doctrine. Why are you here?

[stray bullet]

Thanks for the exchange, brethren :wave:

// is happy to PM anyone tho!

[mesue]

I think it is downright rude of people to come into a Congregation and assert their own beliefs. ...
Me too, that's why I don't go to other Congrgational areas.

[stray bullet]

Ok, I'm out, g'night :)

[Gear853]

I'm curious, what is dead? Is Jesus dead?

Dead, is when your soul/spirit leave your body and go to heaven or hell for ever and ever.

No. Because his spirit never left his body. he was ascended to heaven as a whole - with body and soul/spirit.

[mesue]

You are right, I know a lot of Baptist doctrine. I must confess however, that i desire more than knowledge of words, but also of how people think. I'd like to hear reasoning, philosophy, logic.

Honestly, I'm in a happy-go-lucky mood right now and just thought I'd try to get into your heads, so to speak.
LOL, I said batist :doh: what the heck kind of church is that? ^_^
I guess I would be more comfortable if the interdenominational debateive aspect of what this thread would turn out to be, would be conducted in GT. But, this is not the purpose of the thread.
God never said He was logical, at least not by man's standard. I would quote a bunch of Scripture, which I'm apt to do, but I know that this doesn't captivate you as well as the other aspects of your church. I'm not a theologin by man's "must have a PHD in theology", kinda' way and therefore cannot purport to know what the traditional Catholic authors say on the subject. Except my Cathecism of the Catholic Church- all CCD teachers recieved one of those when I was Catholic. I don't even read the works of Calvin, Hermens, or Spurgeon. I just read the Bible. And, truth be known, that's all I want to read. I have no desire to read anything else on the subject at this point in time. I love God and His word. The Bible interprets the Bible, the Holy Spirit leads us to learning and it's Jesus, not Calvin, that I have to answer to when I die (because we all must die) for what I know and how I used my knowledge.
I hope I made sense. :)

[MikeMcK]

Careful, folks.

Here on RCF, questioning Roman Catholic doctrines or practices is strictly prohibited.

[Cright]

Stray Bullet...

This is how I see it...

The bible says once we are dead we will not concern ourselves with things of the earth. I don't know the references, but I think Rev 21 talks about similar things in the end times too.

The bible is clear that God doesn't want us communicating with the dead. Lev 19:26, gives this as OT Levitical Law. Deu 18:10-11 speak about Divination and "consulting" the dead. 2Cor 33:6 Speaks of this as envoking anger in our Lord.

Next, when we pray it is nothing more than talking. Talking not to the dead, but to a Living God. Nothing says it better than the book of Isiah!
Isaiah 8:19] (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=29&chapter=8&verse=19&version=31&context=verse)[/B]
"When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?'

For the same reason as mentioned above, we also don't pray to saints.

Before Jesus's death on the cross, we didn't have direct contact with our God, a priest had to burn sin and fellowship offerings for us. We don't need a high priest anymore to to into the tent of the most holy place. We are allowed to approach him on his heavenly throne whereever we might be. We need no intercessor. We can go straight to the Lord.

The Lord also tells us that we need our Christian brothers and sisters... there is something special about us coming together and praying together for a purpose (besides that it helps us to pray for things of God's will, not superficial things).

Some reason we pray for others?
Jesus did, see John 17:20

Why we ask others to pray for/with us? See Acts 1-14, 2:42, 4:24

In 2 Thes 3:1-5, Paul, Silas and Timothy request prayer.

I hope this helps you to understand our views.

Carina

[thereselittleflower]

Stray Bullet...

This is how I see it...

The bible says once we are dead we will not concern ourselves with things of the earth. I don't know the references, but I think Rev 21 talks about similar things in the end times too.

Hi Carina

May I ask, how do Baptists reconcile this belief stated above with scriptures such as these?:
Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?


Thanks

[Cright]

and... back to the OP, I blieve Mary must have been an amazingly loyal Jew to be chosen by God to carry Jesus and give birth to him... to raise our savior with Joseph. To care for him and watch him grow... learn and become a leader to both Jews and Gentiles! Then, if she wasn't a witness to his death, to learn of it, then to mourn the death of not just her son, but her savior, the savior of all mankind! I bet she was an extreamly strong woman. She endured so much. Thankfully, she came to know that her son would live again... and forever.

I think it's amazing to think of what her life may have been like!

Carina

[Cright]

Therese -

those people are in heaven with God, they worship Him and pray to Him... they are not being asked by the living to interceed, nor are they praying for the living.

Re-reading some verses I'm realising that the verses saying the dead doesn't concerrn themselves with the living until after Jesus returns and the old earth has passed away.

Still, even if the dead can concern themselves with the living, there is not a single positive example of the living contacting them to ask for prayer or for any other reason. Also, the scriptures I listed above are enough for me to believe that we should not be contacting them.

Carina

[FreeinChrist]

and... back to the OP, I blieve Mary must have been an amazingly loyal Jew to be chosen by God to carry Jesus and give birth to him... to raise our savior with Joseph. To care for him and watch him grow... learn and become a leader to both Jews and Gentiles! Then, if she wasn't a witness to his death, to learn of it, then to mourn the death of not just her son, but her savior, the savior of all mankind! I bet she was an extreamly strong woman. She endured so much. Thankfully, she came to know that her son would live again... and forever.

I think it's amazing to think of what her life may have been like!

Carina
I agree!


I beleive that while Mary is physically dead, she (as other deceased believers) is spiritually alive in heaven. IF they hear prayers, then it is through God the Holy Spirit. We already have a wonderful intersessor - the Holy Spirit. And we already have an Advocate - Jesus Christ.

In regards to the question about Jesus - I beleive that at death, His Spirit descended into Sheol to preach to those there, but at His resurrection, HIs body, soul and spirit ascended to heaven. I believe that at our resurrection, our spirits will be joined to our newly glorified body.

Romans 8 applies here.

[mesue]

Hi Carina


May I ask, how do Baptists reconcile this belief stated above with scriptures such as these?:Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.


Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Thanks
:sigh: This isn't GT

[arunma]

This isn't GT

And thank goodness for that!

[mesue]

And thank goodness for that!
I knew this would happen :( and posted so.
FWIW
I'm glad my prayers are saved in viles. I hope they are a sweet savor unto the Lord.

[arunma]

I knew this would happen :( and posted so.
FWIW
I'm glad my prayers are saved in viles. I hope they are a sweet savor unto the Lord.

GT chills my soul and gives me sorrow to the point of death. I would be most unhappy if the Baptist forum were to somehow turn into GT (which is the incarnation of evil).

[mesue]

GT chills my soul and gives me sorrow to the point of death. I would be most unhappy if the Baptist forum were to somehow turn into GT (which is the incarnation of evil).
Yeah, it's a forum full of "Everyone is wise in their own eyes"
Here, for the most part, we are like minded and learn from each other, which is what true fellowship is all about.

[arunma]

Yeah, it's a forum full of "Everyone is wise in their own eyes"

I was going to say that it's the forum full of "let's beat each other to a bloody pulp." But that's certainly a more eloquent way of saying it.

Here, for the most part, we are like minded and learn from each other, which is what true fellowship is all about.

:clap:

[Tenorvoice]

Thirdly, I don't think Jesus loves His mother more than anybody else, He saved us just as He saved her. By grace. No recording in the Bible says that Jesus gave Mary any special privileges.



I believe that Jesus did love his mother, and she was the vessle that G-d used to bring His one and only Son into this world. She did submit to G-d's will but so did Joseph. He could have just as easily refused to do so.

BUt I also want to just tho' one more passage of Scripture out there for this....I have alot more to say about it but cant right now.

Mark 3:31-35
31(A (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%203:30-35;&version=49;#cen-NASB-24320A))Then His mother and His brothers arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him.

32A crowd was sitting around Him, and they said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside looking for You."
33Answering them, He said, "Who are My mother and My brothers?"
34Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He said, "(B (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%203:30-35;&version=49;#cen-NASB-24323B))Behold My mother and My brothers! 35"For whoever (C (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%203:30-35;&version=49;#cen-NASB-24324C))does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother."

[thereselittleflower]

:sigh: This isn't GT

No, its not. :) I am asking a question . . is that no longer allowed?


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[mesue]

No, its not. :) I am asking a question . . is that no longer allowed?


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It's the motivation for asking such questions outside of GT that have me concerned. It would be quite different if you were a regular and fellowshipped with us on a regular basis. If this were the case, I would feel quite comfortable in answering any questions you may have without feeling that your response to my answers would be to tell me how wrong I am. However, you seem to show up only when there is a percieved notion that we Baptists have no earthly idea what we are talking about and that we need to be corrected. Then somehow the thread gets shut down and we're told that we cannot discuss our Biblical beliefs on the particular subject because someone has ought against our beliefs.
For this reason I stay out of OBOB. If I have any questions regarding your faith, I will go to GT.
In answer to your question, re-read the verse:
Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

The Bible says that all that call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. We, who are saved, are saints. We don't believe, as some do, that you have to be nominated and go through a process after you've been dead to become a saint. We, who are saved, already are saints. It doesn't mean that those who were nominated and chosen for sainthood aren't, just that they were saints before they died or any man chose them to be.
The 4 and 20 elders held harps and vials. Our prayers are held in a vial and will be opened. It is my desire that when my vial is opened that it is a sweet savor unto the Lord.

[VT_Boy]

I'm curious, what is dead? Is Jesus dead?
We pray to God not Jesus. Do you have scripture that says we should pray to Jesus?

[thereselittleflower]

It's the motivation for asking such questions outside of GT that have me concerned. It would be quite different if you were a regular and fellowshipped with us on a regular basis. If this were the case, I would feel quite comfortable in answering any questions you may have without feeling that your response to my answers would be to tell me how wrong I am. However, you seem to show up only when there is a percieved notion that we Baptists have no earthly idea what we are talking about and that we need to be corrected. Then somehow the thread gets shut down and we're told that we cannot discuss our Biblical beliefs on the particular subject because someone has ought against our beliefs.

Perhaps you are over reacting and reading things into this that aren't there? :)


For this reason I stay out of OBOB. If I have any questions regarding your faith, I will go to GT.
In answer to your question, re-read the verse:


The Bible says that all that call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. We, who are saved, are saints. We don't believe, as some do, that you have to be nominated and go through a process after you've been dead to become a saint. We, who are saved, already are saints. It doesn't mean that those who were nominated and chosen for sainthood aren't, just that they were saints before they died or any man chose them to be.

Agreed!

I guess I would ask who believes that you have to be nominated to be a saint, but I would not want that to be further misconstrued as an attempt to debate . . . so it is up to you whether or not you want to address that.


The 4 and 20 elders held harps and vials. Our prayers are held in a vial and will be opened. It is my desire that when my vial is opened that it is a sweet savor unto the Lord.

Amen. :)

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[thereselittleflower]

We pray to God not Jesus. Do you have scripture that says we should pray to Jesus?

This confuses me :scratch: . . .could you clarify?

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[mesue]

Perhaps you are over reacting and reading things into this that aren't there? :)
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No, I don't think I'm over reacting. I don't speak for all Baptists, but I bet I speak for most who have concerns about an avid GT debater posting where they rarely, if ever, posted, i.e. the Baptist Forum. I've been on CF long enough to know who fellowships in the Baptist forum and who doesn't. I've read you posts in GT. I've not known you to go anywhere on a whim.
Cautious? Yes. I get very protective of my friends.
Over reacting? Not at all, just looking out.
:)

[arunma]

We pray to God not Jesus. Do you have scripture that says we should pray to Jesus?

Not that I want to be confrontational, but this is the first I've ever heard of a Christian who doesn't pray to Jesus. Jesus is God.

[Gear853]

Not that I want to be confrontational, but this is the first I've ever heard of a Christian who doesn't pray to Jesus. Jesus is God.

praying to god, in the name of Jesus.. amen.

that's about the same...?

[Seeker of the Truth]

Christ makes intercession for us, so in essence you are praying to Jesus when you pray to God considering they're the same.

The NT teaches to pray in Christ's name, so that's why people say, "In Jesus' name, Amen." and such.

[Gear853]

Christ makes intercession for us, so in essence you are praying to Jesus when you pray to God considering they're the same.

The NT teaches to pray in Christ's name, so that's why people say, "In Jesus' name, Amen." and such.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

=D

[Seeker of the Truth]

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

=D
thanks!

[dave90]

We view Mary to be alive spirtly in heaven,wheater or not you want to ask her to pray for you is up to you.

you do not have to in the Catholic church, no one forces you at all.

[Gear853]

We view Mary to be alive spirtly in heaven,wheater or not you want to ask her to pray for you is up to you.

you do not have to in the Catholic church, no one forces you at all.

i guess, in that case, we can ask for all the saints to pray for us as well o.O

[christian73]

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