End times prophecy

[mwduke]

I think that end times prophecy is one of the most interesting topics in the Bible. I have read quite a bit about various interpretations of the events foretold in Daniel and Revelation, and would like to see what other Christians here believe.

I am particularly interested in the seven seals and seven trumpets of Revelation. I beleive that Revelation 8:10-11 describe the nuclear disaster at Chernobyl. " 10The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11the name of the star is Wormwood.[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%208;&version=31;#fen-NIV-30823a)] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter." The Ukranian word for wormwood is literally translated as "chernobyl", and the horrendous conditions described in the prophecies seem to match those of a nuclear disaster. So I believe that we are at least at the fourth trumpet, if the events described by each are chronological.

[JM]

Try this: http://www.revelationcommentary.org/

[Adoniram]

While the relationship between "wormwood" and "chernobyl" is an interesting coincidence, I don't think the incident at Chernobyl was of near the magnitude that Rev. 8 describes. It means one third of the fresh water in the world will be poisoned, not just a small part of Russia.

[DeaconDean]

While the relationship between "wormwood" and "chernobyl" is an interesting coincidence, I don't think the incident at Chernobyl was of near the magnitude that Rev. 8 describes. It means one third of the fresh water in the world will be poisoned, not just a small part of Russia.

There is a little more to it than that I think. I don't even see where the seven seals have been broken yet. The reason I say that is because:

"And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth." -Rev. 6:7-8

At no one time in the history of mankind, has this one singular event happened. When the forth seal is broken, one quarter of the population of the world will die. "over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

Not even the flood can be compared with this. For uring the Flood, out of the whole of the population only eight were saved.

But as I see it, Revelation is yet to be fulfilled.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[HowardDean]

Agreed!

[DeaconDean]

I beleive that Revelation 8:10-11 describe the nuclear disaster at Chernobyl. " 10The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11the name of the star is Wormwood.[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%208;&version=31;#fen-NIV-30823a)] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter." The Ukranian word for wormwood is literally translated as "chernobyl", and the horrendous conditions described in the prophecies seem to match those of a nuclear disaster. So I believe that we are at least at the fourth trumpet, if the events described by each are chronological.

One other minor point I wish to bring up. Chernobyl could not possibly be this that you see. The nuclear event you might possibly be seeing is what is related to a nuclear blast.

"And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth." -Zech. 14:12

And compound it with:

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness," -2 Pet. 3:10-11

The result of a nuclear fallout would be world wide contamination of the waters.

Another possible explanation would be the result of an asteroid 1 mile or bigger, hitting the earth. This would have the exact same effect. And it would appear that this would be in agreement with:

"And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise." -Rev. 8:12

But to go back to what I said previously, I don't even see where the seven seals have been broken yet.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[HowardDean]

The asteroid could be the "whirlwind" and "sword of the Lord".

[twistedsketch]

The asteroid could be the "whirlwind" and "sword of the Lord".

Now you've got me remembering the DS9 episode where the "sword of stars" in the Bajoran prophesy was the runabout (instead of the asteroid) and the "three vipers" were the asteroid's fragments (rather than the Cardassian visitors).

[mwduke]

There is a little more to it than that I think. I don't even see where the seven seals have been broken yet. The reason I say that is because:

"And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth." -Rev. 6:7-8

At no one time in the history of mankind, has this one singular event happened. When the forth seal is broken, one quarter of the population of the world will die. "over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

Not even the flood can be compared with this. For uring the Flood, out of the whole of the population only eight were saved.

But as I see it, Revelation is yet to be fulfilled.

God Bless

Till all are one.
I'm not sure if the verse that you quoted describes an event that takes place in an instant, nor even one singular event at all, perhaps. It might be that one fourth of all mankind is killed by the sword (wars), hunger (famines), death (death?), and beasts (animals). It might be describing the cumulative death count of all of human history. Maybe?

[DLMoody]

I'm taking a class on Daniel and Revelation and how Daniel 7-12 correlates to Revelation. It is very interesting. I'm open for different views but I am definetely not an Ammillenialist or Preterist.

[DeaconDean]

I'm not sure if the verse that you quoted describes an event that takes place in an instant, nor even one singular event at all, perhaps. It might be that one fourth of all mankind is killed by the sword (wars), hunger (famines), death (death?), and beasts (animals). It might be describing the cumulative death count of all of human history. Maybe?

That certainly is one possibility. Let me explain: 7 years of tribulation, 3.5 years/3.5 years. As bad as the first 3.5 years are, the last 3.5 will be worse. If one takes the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and the 7 bowl judgments, and add the days up, 7 years = 2555 days. you have 21 different judgments pronounced on the earth and mankind during this time. Divide 2555 by 21 and you have 122 days. Each event will tentitively last just over four months. That would also mean that the fouth seal, a quarter of the world will die in just over four months time.

Now I know there is some logical objections to this, and this is just for reference. I'm not advocating that this is what will happen. Just that it is a possibility.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[mwduke]

That certainly is one possibility. Let me explain: 7 years of tribulation, 3.5 years/3.5 years. As bad as the first 3.5 years are, the last 3.5 will be worse. If one takes the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and the 7 bowl judgments, and add the days up, 7 years = 2555 days. you have 21 different judgments pronounced on the earth and mankind during this time. Divide 2555 by 21 and you have 122 days. Each event will tentitively last just over four months. That would also mean that the fouth seal, a quarter of the world will die in just over four months time.

Now I know there is some logical objections to this, and this is just for reference. I'm not advocating that this is what will happen. Just that it is a possibility.

God Bless

Till all are one.
im glad that we all can agree that none of us can be sure of what is to come; these are all just theories.