Beware, lest your not TRULY saved.

[newleaf]

Many people think they're saved, yet really aren't. Many people who've done things in the name of Christ will be told by Him: "I never knew you." For example, I personally would be a little concerned with the phrase whosoever will may come.

[sadiesmom]

what do you mean by concerned with the phrase whosoever will may come?

[JulySheMustFly]

what do you mean by concerned with the phrase whosoever will may come?
Whosoever will may come is the title of the liberal Christian forum on CF.

How can we as other humans possibly KNOW who God will call friend and who God will not? I know God is my friend, savior and guide to my life. I also know that while the road is narrow, some will dance down that narrow road, others will meander from side to side, others yet will keep their eyes focused forward not wavering to either side and walk on. We are all on the same path but there are many different and acceptable ways to walk on that path. How boring and small would that make God if there was only 1 way to walk on that path?

[ivory]

Many people think they're saved, yet really aren't. Many people who've done things in the name of Christ will be told by Him: "I never knew you." For example, I personally would be a little concerned with the phrase whosoever will may come.
If you have truly repented, you can be secure in knowing you are saved.

[holderz]

If you have truly repented, you can be secure in knowing you are saved.

Yep! ETERNAL SERCURITY for those who have Act 16:31 (believed on the Lord Jesus Christ & U will be saved)

>>ETERNAL SERCURITY<<

**Joh 3:15 that whoever believes in him (Lord Jesus Christ) may have eternal life.

**Joh 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

**Rom 8:38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
**Rom 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

***Once Saved Always Saved!!

[ivory]

Do you believe in predestination/foreknowing?:confused:

[holderz]

Do you believe in predestination/foreknowing?:confused:

yes, PM for you:)

[linssue55]

John 3:36 — “He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he who does not believe on the Son shall not see [eternal] life, but the wrath of God abides in him”.

Attitude toward Christ determines whether we have eternal life or not. To believe in Christ is eternal life.

“Believeth [pisteuw]” is in the present tense. You have eternal life at the very moment that you believe in Christ.

Obviously then the believer has eternal life the very moment he puts his trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. Period!

[holderz]

Obviously then the believer has eternal life the very moment he puts his trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. Period!

Yeah defo :thumbsup:

[ivory]

John 3:36 — “He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he who does not believe on the Son shall not see [eternal] life, but the wrath of God abides in him”.

Attitude toward Christ determines whether we have eternal life or not. To believe in Christ is eternal life.

“Believeth [pisteuw]” is in the present tense. You have eternal life at the very moment that you believe in Christ.

Obviously then the believer has eternal life the very moment he puts his trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. Period!
Amen!!

[Auntie]

Many people think they're saved, yet really aren't. Many people who've done things in the name of Christ will be told by Him: "I never knew you."


What you say is very true. The best I can do is to put my trust Jesus. If I were to put my trust in my own "righteousness", I'd be in big trouble.


For example, I personally would be a little concerned with the phrase whosoever will may come.


John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[calidog]

Whosoever will........come

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

[BGMCFAR]

For God sent not his Son into the world to condem the world , but the world through him might be saved John 3 : 17

[calidog]

2Co 13:4 For he was feeble in that he was put to death on the cross, but he is living by the power of God. And we are feeble in him, but we will be living with him through the power of God in relation to you.
2Co 13:5 Make a test of yourselves, if you are in the faith; make certain of yourselves. Or are you not conscious in yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you, if you are truly Christ's?
2Co 13:6 But it is my hope that you will have no doubt that we are truly Christ's.

[BGMCFAR]

AMEN to that How do people live without Jesus :thumbsup:

[calidog]

and His reminders to us that we have life, and that we don't have to strive (labor) because He gives us rest.

[Nadiine]

Many people think they're saved, yet really aren't. Many people who've done things in the name of Christ will be told by Him: "I never knew you." For example, I personally would be a little concerned with the phrase whosoever will may come.

Well, unfortunately, the very people you think aren't saved (due to their lifestyles & doctrinal beliefs), are the very ones claiming that YOU'RE the one that isn't saved - using the SAME BIBLE. :sigh:

Yep it's true, not all who say they are, ARE. But how do you convince them that IT'S THEM?
:doh:

[ydouxist]

The question is could Jesus ever say to you "I never knew you." If you do know him then he can't and won't. This can only be answered on an individual basis.

[ivory]

The question is could Jesus ever say to you "I never knew you." If you do know him then he can't and won't. This can only be answered on an individual basis.




What is "knowing" God?

[Nadiine]

What is "knowing" God?

this goes back to the OP & what I pointed out earlier, everyone thinks they DO know Him... even the people crying out, "Lord, Lord" in Mat. 7:21-23 thought they were His! The issue is, DOES GOD KNOW US.

I go back to the Bible - if you reject the truth's laid out in God's Holy Bible to us, then YOU would be the one that stands to be one of those that He doesn't know.

Then we have interpretational issues - and those all stem from 'THOSE WITH GOD'S TRUE SPIRIT WILL UNDERSTAND, BELIEVE & ACCEPT THE CENTRAL TENETS UNTO genuine SALVATION'
Not the minor doctrinal squabbles that don't effect salvation in the one True God.

GOD has to be the one to enlighten us. Only HE can illuminate us to the truth. :angel:

[ydouxist]

What is "knowing" God?

Look up the greek word for know. I don't have my Vines with me. I'm on vacation.

[calidog]

1john talks about how we know if we know God.

difficult to see what the bible has to say about how do we know if God knows us

[ivory]

1john talks about how we know if we know God.

difficult to see what the bible has to say about how do we know if God knows us
We have to use our faith to believe that it is so. (knowing God)

[calidog]

but what about "God knowing us"?

as when Jesus telling those who say they knew Him but Him saying "depart from me, I never knew you"

Can we have assurance that Jesus knows us before He judges us (separates the sheep and goats)?

[ydouxist]

but what about "God knowing us"?

as when Jesus telling those who say they knew Him but Him saying "depart from me, I never knew you"

Can we have assurance that Jesus knows us before He judges us (separates the sheep and goats)?

That is a question you and only you can answer.
Jesus said I know my sheep and they know my voice. :preach:

[ivory]

but what about "God knowing us"?

as when Jesus telling those who say they knew Him but Him saying "depart from me, I never knew you"

Can we have assurance that Jesus knows us before He judges us (separates the sheep and goats)?
There are those texts that deal with the Christian ‘called ones’ or ‘chosen ones’ (Jude 1; Matt. 24:24). They are described as ‘chosen according to the foreknowledge of God’ (1 Peter 1:1-2), ‘chosen before the founding of the world,’ ‘foreordained to the adoption as sons of God’ (Eph. 1:3-5, 11), ‘selected from the beginning for salvation and called to this very destiny’ (2 Thess. 2:13-14).

[calidog]

That is a question you and only you can answer.
Jesus said I know my sheep and they know my voice. :preach:



that sums it up, thanks:)

[ydouxist]

:thumbsup:

[calidog]

The question is could Jesus ever say to you "I never knew you." If you do know him then he can't and won't. This can only be answered on an individual basis.




what you seem to be implying here is that "if we know Him, He knows us".

I'm not trying to be technical, but I think it would be a good question {is it the same?}

[ivory]

"what you seem to be implying here is that "if we know Him, He knows us"."

No, that's not what I'm implying, what I am implying is, that if we are a child of God's, we MUST have the faith the size of a mustard seed, (to start off) to believe that we know Him and He knows us.

[calidog]

I see what you're saying..

[ydouxist]

what you seem to be implying here is that "if we know Him, He knows us".


Correct. But only you can answer that question.

[calidog]

others (believers) may also know

[ivory]

others (believers) may also know
Yes!

[linssue55]

but what about "God knowing us"?

as when Jesus telling those who say they knew Him but Him saying "depart from me, I never knew you"

Can we have assurance that Jesus knows us before He judges us (separates the sheep and goats)?


Jesus knew "ALL" in Eternity Past. Your verse is speaking of UNBELIEVERS............


Exegeted.......
{The Religious Crowd will say this including Judas Iscariot}

Mat. 7:22~~"On that day, many will say to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons and do many wonderful deeds?' "

{Note: Yes, they did but using the power of Satan, not from the power of the filling of the Holy Spirit that is only given to believers in the church age.}


7:23~~"Then I {Jesus} will declare to them (unbelievers), I never knew you. Go away from Me, you that work lawlessness {lawbreakers}!' "



{Issue of Salvation Repeated for Judas Iscariot - Verses 24-29}

{Hearing and Doing}

7:24~~"Therefore, everyone who hears these {good news} words of Mine and does them {believers in Christ} is like a wise man who built his house on rock {Jesus is the foundation}."



7:25~~"The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house; but it did not collapse because it received founding on the rock with the result that it remained standing forever and ever {believer-doctrine of eternal security - perfect tense of the verb}."



7:26~~"Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not do them is like a foolish man {unbeliever} who built his house on sand."



7:27~~"The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against the house, and it collapsed; it was a tremendous fall {judgment of the unbeliever}!"

[AllTalkNoAction]

In the New Testament, all knew precisely when they received the Holy Spirit (salvation) !!

Does anyone know how ?

[calidog]

In the New Testament, all knew precisely when they received the Holy Spirit (salvation) !!

Does anyone know how ?they asked to be baptized?

[AllTalkNoAction]

they asked to be baptized?No, God, who alone knows the hearts bare independant witness with His sign of speaking in tongues - Acts 2v4, 33, 39; 10v44-48, 19v1-6.

Here's an example of people who were baptised but who were known not to have received the Holy Spirit . . .
Ac:8:12: But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. . . .
14: Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

.. .maybe you are like them calidog ?

[ivory]

In the New Testament, all knew precisely when they received the Holy Spirit (salvation) !!

Does anyone know how ?
Because it a free gift and by faith they believed the word of God, which said it was so.

[ivory]

without FAITH there is no pleasing God. Faith is the "structure" for a lack of words, :) of the gospel.

[calidog]

No, God, who alone knows the hearts bare independant witness with His sign of speaking in tongues - Acts 2v4, 33, 39; 10v44-48, 19v1-6.

Here's an example of people who were baptised but who were known not to have received the Holy Spirit . . .
Ac:8:12: But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. . . .
14: Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

.. .maybe you are like them calidog ?this is why I guessed baptized:

Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.



maybe you are like them calidog ?

I have never spoken in tounges if that's what you mean.

[AllTalkNoAction]

this is why I guessed baptized:

Act 8:35 . . . Well not every account goes into complete detail, that account doesn't even say they received the Holy Spirit.
Another account is Acts 19v5-6 where people are baptised because they believe but Paul knows they have still not received the Spirit, which is why he lays hands on them.
In the same way I know you have not received the Spirit.

If you are humble to that (as those groups of people were), you too can and will receive the Spirit & speak in tongues, whereby God leads you in prayer according to his perfect will, ministering grace to your soul. Please PM me if interested in not just talking about this, but receiving it !!

[calidog]

I'll pass, but thank you.

[ivory]

Well not every account goes into complete detail, that account doesn't even say they received the Holy Spirit.
Another account is Acts 19v5-6 where people are baptised because they believe but Paul knows they have still not received the Spirit, which is why he lays hands on them.
In the same way I know you have not received the Spirit.

If you are humble to that (as those groups of people were), you too can and will receive the Spirit & speak in tongues, whereby God leads you in prayer according to his perfect will, ministering grace to your soul. Please PM me if interested in not just talking about this, but receiving it !!
The Spirit is not yours to say who has received and who has not!

[ivory]

I'll pass, but thank you.
Everyone does not have to speak in a unknown tongue

[calidog]

I know that, thanx. If that were so, the body would be very, very small.

[AllTalkNoAction]

I know that, thanx. If that were so, the body would be very, very small.There are tens of thousands who believe as I do in the church I'm in, and we know there are many others outside.

God always works with a minority to shame the majority who won't do things his "narrow" way.

[calidog]

thanks for the discussion.
gotta go.
God bless.

[Nadiine]

If you are humble to that (as those groups of people were), you too can and will receive the Spirit & speak in tongues, whereby God leads you in prayer according to his perfect will, ministering grace to your soul. Please PM me if interested in not just talking about this, but receiving it !!

If you're HUMBLE... humble like you while you point out everybody that can't speak in tongues is hellbound.

ok.

[ydouxist]

I know that, thanx. If that were so, the body would be very, very small.

:D

[Auntie]

If you're HUMBLE...


I would say, above all. we must be humble.

Does Satan have a defense against fasting? Well of course he does! He has no need of food or drink. Fasting means nothing to him.

And there are many other things Satan can fight against us. But, he has no defense against humbleness. Think about it. ;)

[BGMCFAR]

James 4: 6& 10 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says "God resiststhe proud, But give Grace to the humble" Humble yourselves in the sight ofLord and He will lift you up.

[Nadiine]

I would say, above all. we must be humble.

Does Satan have a defense against fasting? Well of course he does! He has no need of food or drink. Fasting means nothing to him.

And there are many other things Satan can fight against us. But, he has no defense against humbleness. Think about it. ;)

:wave: I don't think you read far back enough to notice the "humility" I was referring to.

We had someone claiming that proof of salvation is having the gift of Tongues, by the Holy Spirit. & if you don't speak in tongues, then you are LOST (w/out the Spirit).
BUT, if you "humble" yourself, you'll get this gift upon your genuine conversion.

That's what I was referring to. Absolutely, we must humble ourselves to come to the Lord, but I don't find humility in a statement promoting a doctrine that demands a gift of tongues (one they have) or you're hellbound as "humble".
May as well demand everyone have the gift of miracles while you're at it. :sigh:

God bless U :angel: :)

[ivory]

:wave: I don't think you read far back enough to notice the "humility" I was referring to.

We had someone claiming that proof of salvation is having the gift of Tongues, by the Holy Spirit. & if you don't speak in tongues, then you are LOST (w/out the Spirit).
BUT, if you "humble" yourself, you'll get this gift upon your genuine conversion.

That's what I was referring to. Absolutely, we must humble ourselves to come to the Lord, but I don't find humility in a statement promoting a doctrine that demands a gift of tongues (one they have) or you're hellbound as "humble".
May as well demand everyone have the gift of miracles while you're at it. :sigh:

God bless U :angel: :)
The Messiah told His disciples about fasting when they could not heal a little boy, who was being plagued by demons (Mk. 9:18-19). The disciples asked the master why they could not cast out this spirit (Mk. 9:28-29). He told them that only much fasting and prayer could cast out the spirit. So that tells me that fasting is affective.

[newleaf]

Many people think they're saved, yet really aren't. Many people who've done things in the name of Christ will be told by Him: "I never knew you." For example, I personally would be a little concerned with the phrase whosoever will may come.Wow.What a lot of responses. I didn't mean to question a person's eternal-security if they're saved. What I meant were people who say they've come to Christ, yet really haven't. I take issue with Christians who support abortion, and support certain lifestyles.

[newleaf]

1 Corinthians 6:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=6&verse=9&version=31&context=verse)
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

[Auntie]

:wave: I don't think you read far back enough to notice the "humility" I was referring to.

We had someone claiming that proof of salvation is having the gift of Tongues, by the Holy Spirit. & if you don't speak in tongues, then you are LOST (w/out the Spirit).
BUT, if you "humble" yourself, you'll get this gift upon your genuine conversion.

That's what I was referring to. Absolutely, we must humble ourselves to come to the Lord, but I don't find humility in a statement promoting a doctrine that demands a gift of tongues (one they have) or you're hellbound as "humble".
May as well demand everyone have the gift of miracles while you're at it. :sigh:

God bless U :angel: :)


God bless you too. :hug: :hug: :wave: