Sin stops one being a saint able to follow Jesus

[stranger]

Ezekiel 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him,he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Those who die in sin simply are not fully just, they cannot take place inn the resurrection of the just at Jesus' return , but must await the resurrection of the unjust in the new earth before they can live righteously and perfect their love as God requires of all who come to Him ...

Thus most men are being taught falsely by their religious leaders [themselves SINNERS, not saints !]

Now all men except Jesus were sinners, but the siants are expected to live without sin during this life after their past sins are forgiven under the enw covenant with Israel [Heb 8:8-13] brought in by Jesus as their annointed king [messiah , christ]

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Contrary to popular teachings then, Jesus says that at his return he rejects all men who are still under sin :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[ivory]

"Now all men except Jesus were sinners, but the siants are expected to live without sin during this life after their past sins are forgiven under the enw covenant with Israel [Heb 8:8-13] brought in by Jesus as their annointed king [messiah , christ]"



All sins are forgiven, past, present, future.

[calidog]

stranger? If I sin again can I be forgiven again?

[ivory]

stranger? If I sin again can I be forgiven again?


Yes, but you must repent of your sin

[holo]

We're not sinners, we're saints. The devil is the accuser. Unfortunately he is helped by a lot of christians.

[holo]

Those who die in sin simply are not fully justHow just am I? 80%? 50%? There's no such thing as "fully just". You're either righteous, or you're not.

[ivory]

We're not sinners, we're saints. The devil is the accuser. Unfortunately he is helped by a lot of christians.
We are sinners covered by the blood of the lamb. If you sin, would that not make you a sinner?

[holo]

If you sin, would that not make you a sinner?If you did a good deed, would that make you righteous?

[ivory]

If you did a good deed, would that make you righteous?
Righteous before men, yes!

[holo]

Righteous before men, yes!Exactly :)

You may still be a sinner even if the world deems you righteous. And you may still be righteous even if the world (or even you yourself!) deem you a sinner.

[ivory]

Exactly :)

You may still be a sinner even if the world deems you righteous. And you may still be righteous even if the world (or even you yourself!) deem you a sinner.
Tha's a good way of putting it.

[tonysma]

If the righteous are barely saved, where does that leave you ole sinner....

[stranger]

If the righteous are barely saved, where does that leave you ole sinner....

The righteous few are barely saved in this earth, the many are saved afterward :-

Rev7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

thus the only problem with realising one is also saved despite being a sinner in this life is modern christian dogma if one believes in what sinners teach....

[stranger]

"Now all men except Jesus were sinners, but the siants are expected to live without sin during this life after their past sins are forgiven under the enw covenant with Israel [Heb 8:8-13] brought in by Jesus as their annointed king [messiah , christ]"



All sins are forgiven, past, present, future.

Read about with whom is the new covenant ... only with the House of Judah [Jews] and the lost House of Israel ...Heb 8:8-13

they are taken as God's people and God will be their God despite that they were rejected for a time for breaking their old covenant, now they have a new covenant that forgives all their sins, but no-one else does...

Since God takes His remanant 144,000 of the tribes of Israel FIRST [Rev 7:3-8] and they are perfected in love by trial in this life, there is no need for forgiveness of future sin since there are no future sins of saints , that is why they are called saints, they have been conformed to the very image of Jesus, without sin, perfected their love through knowledge of all truth that defeats Satan's temptations as being empty of value to them ...

Thusbthere are no future siins to be forgiven because the baptism of the spirit leads all saints into all truth of God and they see why to stop sinning and CAN thus resist temptation and be without sin during this life...

All others, who are sinners in this life, are freed from sin indeath, and so do not need forgivenes for they have paid the price of sin in death :-

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Thus it is God who decided who would be saved in this life, the few, the 144,000 saints of tribal Israel [Rev 7:3-8] and who will be saved afterward , the many of all nations and beliefs [Rev 7:9-10] in this life who die for sin and are resurrected to righteous life in the new earth where the few minister to them as perfect priests and kings in Jesus' kingdom come at last [as many pray for but does not understand ] :-

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

[stranger]

stranger? If I sin again can I be forgiven again?



Obviously the saints can be forgiven sins , but they must still perfect their love in life which means succeeding in giving up sin whilst still alive :-

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

[stranger]

How just am I? 80%? 50%? There's no such thing as "fully just". You're either righteous, or you're not.

I agree, it is a term used for emphasis only, and because many people think that they can take part in the resurrection of the just at Jesus' return despite being sinners ...

[stranger]

If you did a good deed, would that make you righteous?

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

[BGMCFAR]

Romans 3:22-24 Even the righteousness of God which is through faith in Cesus Christ to all andon all who believe. for there is know difference for all have sinned and fall shortof the glory of God,being justified freelyby his Grace throughthe redemtionthat is in Christ Jesus 25-26Whom God set forthto be a propitiation by his blood through faithto demonstate His righteousness becausein His forbearanceGod passed] over the sins that were previosly commited to demonstrate at the present time His righteiousness that He might be just and justifer of the one who has faith in Jesus There fore we receive God's righteousness through Faith in Jesus Christ The Lord Bless and keep you the Lord make His Facxe to shine upon you and give you peace

[calidog]

bgmcfar, it was kinda hard to read: Here it is again:

Rom 3:22 That is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ, to all those who have faith; and one man is not different from another,
Rom 3:23 For all have done wrong and are far from the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 And they may have righteousness put to their credit, freely, by his grace, through the salvation which is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God has put forward as the sign of his mercy, through faith, by his blood, to make clear his righteousness when, in his pity, God let the sins of earlier times go without punishment;
Rom 3:26 And to make clear his righteousness now, so that he might himself be upright, and give righteousness to him who has faith in Jesus.

[BGMCFAR]

thank yyou Cali dog Ithink its time to put this old timer to bed thanks for your help God bles you :yawn:

[calidog]

:sleep:

[BGMCFAR]

Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broadis the way that leads to destrution, and there are many whogo in by it . Becausenarrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life and there are few who find it. Matt7:13& 14 :)

[pletho]

And by him (Jesus Christ) all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of moses, Acts 13:39

That if thou shall confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved

For with the heart man believeth unto righeousness... Romans 10:9,10a

Justification and righteousness are a gift from God you cannot earn a gift or it would no longer be a gift but something you earned. No man has the ability to earn eternal life, righteousness, justification, only the perfect man Jesus Christ could do it he earned it for us, he payed the price, he walked a perfect life before God

For by one man's disobedience (Adam) many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (Jesus Christ) shall many be made righteous.. Romans 5:19

[ydouxist]

If you did a good deed, would that make you righteous?



Good works do not produce righteousness,
righteousness produces good works.