Messianic View of Revelation

[Pray4Isrel]

What is your general interpretation of the events in Revelation?
For example are you pre-trib, post-trib, no-trib ;)
And if you'd like, you can approach the subject of Revelation any angle you want (you don't have to just discuss the trib views)

[Talmid HaYarok]

More post-trib than anything else. Thats just my interpretation of it and I think it fits with precedence in the Bible. Didn't vote as I'm not too firm in any of the beliefs.

But I also think the Lord will suprise us all and that Revelation is largely meant to be a guide in hindsight and not in foresight. Some Prophecies are for knowing the future, some are for knowing when the future has come.

[Ruhama]

ha, well said. I agree with you there Talmid.

P4I - which events in particular are you referring to? I think some in there are pre-trib, some are trib and some post-trib, but I may be misinterpreting your question.

[Pray4Isrel]

Oh I apologize, pre-trib, post-trib, etc. according to the Rapture... if you believe in the Rapture.
My bad. :sorry:

[Rafael]

The two witnesses are here now - Judah and Ephraim.
The abomination of desolation is here and now - the Dome of the Rock. It was built 688AD. Add to it the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 (which would be 1271.5, using the Jewish year of 360 days) and you get the time that the Dome of the Rock was being built by Abdl el Malik - governor.
Calculate the 42 months of Revelation 11:2, and you get 1278.34 days. Add this to 688AD and you get 1967AD - the year that the Jews ruled Jerusalem for the first time in 2573 years, the Six Day War.
This means that the time of the Gentiles trodding on Jerusalem is fulfilled and soon to be over, and Yeshua is soon to reclaim and restore the houses of Israel.

[Pray4Isrel]

Interesting stuff.
I personally believe the two witnesses will be Moses and Elijah.

[3a144,000]

Interesting stuff.
I personally believe the two witnesses will be Moses and Elijah.

I agree that representatives of the two witnesses are Moses (co-author of the Torah,(i.e., the law, right-ruling, covenant) and Eliyah (i.e., the prophets, testimonies),
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20 (KJV)
If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore. Psalm 132:12 (KJV)
Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. Isaiah 8:16 (KJV)
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commandments of Elohim, and possessing the witness of Yahushua Messiah. Rev. 12:17

I beleive Daniel and Revelation work hand in hand and that not all of the end-time prophecies are completely filled yet. Take Acts 3:21 for example.
"(Messiah) Whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters of which Elohim spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old."
We haven't seen all matters restored yet. But they are in the process of being restored. I have a fasinating video on the finding of the "Ark of the Covenant" by Ron Wyatt. It points out that the temple service of the Most Holy place has been fulfilled...Christ's blood was sprinkled on the mercy seat when the soldier pierced His side. This understanding is awesome that every minute detail is and will be fulfilled!
I believe that the truth about His sacred name is being restored. And that His appointed assemblies are also being restored. I believe that He is bringing to the forefront all falsehoods, and the truth about the harlot of Revelation, that we will be able to make intelligent choices about who we want to serve.
I do not believe in a "rapture' as conjured up in the fiction novel (this is a great clue as to its validity) Left Behind. In this novel, written to make money and be entertaining, the entire concept of end time events were manufactured from two or three Bible texts which were split off into two manufactured time periods. The main Bible text used was:
[15]For this we say to you by the word of the Master, that we, the living that are left over at the coming of the Master shall in no way go before those who are asleep.[16] Because the Master Himself shall come down from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the chief messenger, and with the trumpet of Elohim: and the dead in Messiah shall rise first:[17] Then we, the living who are left over, shall be caught away together with them in the clouds, to meet the Master in the air: and so we shall always be with the Master. 1 Thes. 4:15-17.
"Caught away together with them in the clouds" is the line that the enitre "rapture theory" is based on. But let's look at this text again concentrating on verse 16: "Because the Master Himself shall come from heaven with a SHOUT, with THE VOICE OF THE CHIEF MESSENGER, and with the TRUMPET of Elohim..." that doesn't sound like a secret to me. This is where the rapture theory makes a split in the Word.

"For yourselves know very well that the day of Yahushua comes as a thief in the night. [3] For when they say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." 1 Thes. 5:2-3 (KJV) Here Paul is not saying that our Blessed Redeemer will come silently but rather unexpectedly (as a thief) and suddenly.

"But the day of YHWH will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with intense heat, the earth also and the works that are in it shall be burned up." 2 Peter 3:10 This doesn't seem to be any secret program to me.

It is sudden and unexpected just, " as it came to be in the days of Noah, so also shall it be in the days of the Son of Adam. [27] They were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah went into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. [28] And likewise, as it came to be in the days of Lot; they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying , they were selling, they were planting, they were building,[29] But on the day Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and sulfur from heaven, and destroyed all. [30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." Luke 17:26-30
Where is this secret rapture that the "fiction novel" writes about? I don't want to disappoint anyone but there are no such words as "secret rapture" to be found anywhere in Scripture. In Matthew 24:24 Yahushua told us that Satan's deceptions would be so subtle and powerful that they would fool the "very elect were it possible." The "elect" are those ready for the return of Yahushua Messiah.
That is why this "rapture" theory is so lethal. It gives one the false notion that there will be a seven year period after the "secret rapture" in which the rest of the world will have time to get ready for the really big show. But those who were not ready the first go around will find there is no second chance. Instead we are told, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." Rev. 22:11 (KJV)
We are to let the Great Silversmith refine us in the fire of trials and tests now to make us fit for the New Kingdom. When He comes (which by the signs of Revelation and Daniel is very soon, praise His Name) there will only be one chance. And we must have the seal of YHWH in our foreheads before that time comes.
We are Spiritual Israel, "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all." Col. 3:11 "You also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a set-apart priesthood, to offer up spiritual slaughters, offerings acceptable to Elohim through Yahushua Messiah." 1 Peter 2:5
Those left behind at His coming are DEAD...not waiting for the big show. Read Matthew 24:43,44. Acts 14:22 and John 16:33 tells us we will go through tribulation. We are not going to miss it. But our Almighty Provider promises our food and water are sure, a canopy to protect from the burning sun and never to allow us more than we are able to bear. Praise His wonderful Name.:clap:

[SonWorshipper]

3@1 I agree with you on almost every point. I believe we will be protected, as Noah and his family were, as Lot and his family were ( although his wife looked back to she in mourning for what she felt she was leaving ( sin) and instantly died) taken out, protected we will be. I think HaSatan's greatest deception is this rapture theory, to fool as many as he can, to drag as many down with him as he can.

I just bought a book at the Messiah conference about the ( A) Messianic prospective on Revelation and will be happy to share about what I am reading here so long as anyone is interested.

[3a144,000]

3@1 I agree with you on almost every point. I believe we will be protected, as Noah and his family were, as Lot and his family were ( although his wife looked back to she in mourning for what she felt she was leaving ( sin) and instantly died) taken out, protected we will be. I think HaSatan's greatest deception is this rapture theory, to fool as many as he can, to drag as many down with him as he can.

I just bought a book at the Messiah conference about the ( A) Messianic prospective on Revelation and will be happy to share about what I am reading here so long as anyone is interested.

Yes, SonWorshipper, I would like to know what the book says. We are told to prove all things and there is so much we don't know, but that truth is progressive. I match what I read, and hear from others, with Scripture. If it doesn't agree I throw it out (not the one doing the sharing:pink:).

[SonWorshipper]

Whew! That's the nicest thing anyones said to me in the last two days, I appreciate that, thanks! :hug:

If I don't fall asleep tonight early because of this oppresive heat I will try to get into it. I only got throught the 6 page intro last night and then "Lights out!" ;)

[sojeru]

there are no 7 years left.
there is no 3 1/2 years of tribulation.

for if any here did INDEED know their history they would have already seen the dragon
they would already have seen the wonded come back
they would already have seen the 10 horns (10 toes mixed with iron and spread through out the seed of men[clay])
the yrs do not ADD up in hebraic like manner
because we do not add in 3 and 7 to make 10
point blank the way we add is 10.
go back through the entire BIBLE (TN"K) portion to see whether any of us have added in such like manner.

example: to make 13 we say 10 and 3 not 6 and 7

Learn your history and you will see the dragon immediately.

shalom u'bracha

[SonWorshipper]

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