I really do have to be carefull what I write

[RichardT]

People from school have been following up on me, I don't want information to get out.

I changed my profile quite a bit...

[arunma]

Does this, by any chance, have to do with your geocentric views?

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

People from school have been following up on me, I don't want information to get out.

I changed my profile quite a bit...

What don't you want them to know?

[Matthan]

Richard, just stay in that little room downstairs where the walls are covered with aluminum foil until they... Oh wait, that room is in my basement....

[MrJim]

Don't be afraid of who you are dude...well, unless they are coming for you...

[aReformedPatriot]

People from school have been following up on me, I don't want information to get out.

I changed my profile quite a bit...

Is "the man" after you? ;)

You should elaborate.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

Huh? Why wouldn't you want "them" to know what you write?
Blessed is he that is persecuted for the Lord!

[ellisb2]

Are you a closet christain?

[Jim1927]

Just remember Richard...I know where you go to church.........lol

Cheers,

Jim

Where are you going to school,,York Memorial at Eglington and Keele?

[Abbadon]

Wow, you changed "Geocentric Old Earth Creationism" to "no comment" in the 'origin of the world' section. I have some cosmological views that I generally have to keep my mouth shut about as well.

Blessed is he that is persecuted for the Lord!

I dunno that it qualifies as that, since we as Christians are actually given a lot of leeway for cosmology.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

Wow, you changed "Geocentric Old Earth Creationism" to "no comment" in the 'origin of the world' section. I have some cosmological views that I generally have to keep my mouth shut about as well.



I dunno that it qualifies as that, since we as Christians are actually given a lot of leeway for cosmology.
I'm unfamiliar with cosmology. I was under the impression he had people watching him due to his Fundamental beliefs. Guess not. I've even seen folks on here question if his church is Christian at all.

I'm confused!

[DeaconDean]

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:aW1ZPNoP_asU9M:http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mdownes/bdhome/csm1.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mdownes/bdhome/csm1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mdownes/bdhome/bdpic.html&h=488&w=390&sz=25&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=aW1ZPNoP_asU9M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bsmoking%2Bman%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)

He's watching you.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:aW1ZPNoP_asU9M:http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mdownes/bdhome/csm1.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mdownes/bdhome/csm1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mdownes/bdhome/bdpic.html&h=488&w=390&sz=25&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=aW1ZPNoP_asU9M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bsmoking%2Bman%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)

He's watching you.

God Bless

Till all are one.
The cigarette smoking man from X-Files!!! Classic! They are running old X-Files shows on TNT or something late nights. Good stuff.

LOL!

[arunma]

I'm unfamiliar with cosmology.

The scientific definition of cosmology is the study of the origin and evolution of the universe (very loosely, it could be defined as the study of the Big Bang). I took cosmology last year, it's quite interesting.

In more common parlance, "cosmology" often refers to one's view of the universe. I'm not sure which definition is being used here.

I was under the impression he had people watching him due to his Fundamental beliefs. Guess not. I've even seen folks on here question if his church is Christian at all.

I'm confused!

That would be me. Richard's fundamentalist church believes that the Sun orbits the earth. By his own admission, they also control the lives of their members. He has, on many occasions, expressed concerns about his church leaders learning that he listens to secular music and watches television. Of course at the end of the day, they nominally claim "by grace are ye saved," and cover their own guilt by attacking the Catholic Church.

I've spoken to Richard since before he joined this church (he did not grow up there; rather he voluntarily sought it out). He's a good guy, but he's relatively new to Christianity, and I would hate to see him make shipwreck of his faith because of these people. I am concerned that when he finally learns that the earth is not the center of the universe, or when one of their other numerous strange doctrines is exposed as false, he will be harmed spiritually. Toronto Baptist Church is a fringe group.

[RichardT]

The scientific definition of cosmology is the study of the origin and evolution of the universe (very loosely, it could be defined as the study of the Big Bang). I took cosmology last year, it's quite interesting.

In more common parlance, "cosmology" often refers to one's view of the universe. I'm not sure which definition is being used here.



That would be me. Richard's fundamentalist church believes that the Sun orbits the earth. By his own admission, they also control the lives of their members. He has, on many occasions, expressed concerns about his church leaders learning that he listens to secular music and watches television. Of course at the end of the day, they nominally claim "by grace are ye saved," and cover their own guilt by attacking the Catholic Church.

I've spoken to Richard since before he joined this church (he did not grow up there; rather he voluntarily sought it out). He's a good guy, but he's relatively new to Christianity, and I would hate to see him make shipwreck of his faith because of these people. I am concerned that when he finally learns that the earth is not the center of the universe, or when one of their other numerous strange doctrines is exposed as false, he will be harmed spiritually. I don't use this word often, but Toronto Baptist Church is a cult, not a church (and I don't think that this violates CF rules, since they reject the Nicene Creed).

Are those the main reasons why you would call it a cult? Please elaborate.

[rita727]

People from school have been following up on me, I don't want information to get out.

I changed my profile quite a bit...
It's for this reason that I'm vague in my profiles and blogs. ;)

[JacobHall86]

If you dont post anything stupid it shouldnt be a problem.

[UBERROGO]

If they have been following up on you, its too late to change your profile. You will have to change your screen name.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

The scientific definition of cosmology is the study of the origin and evolution of the universe (very loosely, it could be defined as the study of the Big Bang). I took cosmology last year, it's quite interesting.

In more common parlance, "cosmology" often refers to one's view of the universe. I'm not sure which definition is being used here.



That would be me. Richard's fundamentalist church believes that the Sun orbits the earth. By his own admission, they also control the lives of their members. He has, on many occasions, expressed concerns about his church leaders learning that he listens to secular music and watches television. Of course at the end of the day, they nominally claim "by grace are ye saved," and cover their own guilt by attacking the Catholic Church.

I've spoken to Richard since before he joined this church (he did not grow up there; rather he voluntarily sought it out). He's a good guy, but he's relatively new to Christianity, and I would hate to see him make shipwreck of his faith because of these people. I am concerned that when he finally learns that the earth is not the center of the universe, or when one of their other numerous strange doctrines is exposed as false, he will be harmed spiritually. I don't use this word often, but Toronto Baptist Church is a cult, not a church (and I don't think that this violates CF rules, since they reject the Nicene Creed).
Weird!

Thanks for following up with him. Don't give up!

God Bless!

[arunma]

Are those the main reasons why you would call it a cult? Please elaborate.

Richard, I just did elaborate. Based solely upon what you have told me, your church micromanages your life. You are the one who told us that you hope your church won't find out that you listen to secular music. And it was you who expressed concern that your church might catch you watching certain television shows. You once told me that your pastor spends most of his time preaching against others' doctrines. When I mentioned that he ought to be spending the bulk of his time preaching Christ crucified, you said that you enjoy it when your church preaches against others.

Do you not see the problem here? Your church spends all of its time controlling its congregants, denying basic scientific facts, and telling you what not to believe instead of preaching the Gospel. In the end, they cover their hypocrisy by saying "let's tell everyone how evil the Catholic Church is." You will not be saved by repeating the phrase "by grace are ye saved" as if it were a Buddhist mantra.

Do you really believe that you are saved by grace, and do you live that way? If so, then I challenge you to go tell your fellow congregants that you play Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, and see how they react.

[UBERROGO]

I play WoW if any of you want to get together. Resume thread.

[aReformedPatriot]

I play WoW if any of you want to get together. Resume thread.

Same here.

Maurius (or Theophilus/Cristophilus/Deum/Scizzle) on the Magtheridon PVP server

[RichardT]

I never bought WoW, it's too expensive for me.

[arunma]

I never bought WoW, it's too expensive for me.

Perhaps it's better this way. If Toronto Baptist Church ever found out that you were playing World of Warcraft, they might very well label you a heathen. You recently told me that you were concerned because your church had taught that Warcraft is evil.

As you can see, Lord's Envoy plays World of Warcraft, yet you will rarely find someone as devoted to the Gospel of Christ as he. Tell me this Richard: would not your pastor call Lord's Envoy a false Christian?

[DiscipleOfIAm]

Perhaps it's better this way. If Toronto Baptist Church ever found out that you were playing World of Warcraft, they might very well label you a heathen. You recently told me that you were concerned because your church had taught that Warcraft is evil.

As you can see, Lord's Envoy plays World of Warcraft, yet you will rarely find someone as devoted to the Gospel of Christ as he. Tell me this Richard: would not your pastor call Lord's Envoy a false Christian?
Thanks for the explanation of WoW. I must be behind times!! I'm only 30 am I that far out of it?

[aReformedPatriot]

Thanks for the explanation of WoW. I must be behind times!! I'm only 30 am I that far out of it?

Yes. I can't imagine being 30. Has anything fallen off you yet?

[UBERROGO]

Yes. I can't imagine being 30. Has anything fallen off you yet?

I am almost there, God have mercy.

[Seeker of the Truth]

well, since this thread is totally off topic, hmm.. only a couple of weeks till Christmas!

[DiscipleOfIAm]

Yes. I can't imagine being 30. Has anything fallen off you yet?
No, not yet. I still have all my hair and such. Actually, I have more hair than I used to. Weird!

I don't feel old. I still feel 16. I guess when you get married and have kids, you slip away from the things you once had time to enjoy. Time being the keyword there.


I checked out the WoW site. I might sign up and play. I sued to play a lot of Zelda (yes, the original NES), Metroid, etc. Most recently, with the PS2 I would play Call of Duty and those type games. Dungeons and Dragons was popular back when I was growing up. Is this anything like that? Seems to be, but with more of a LOTR twist.

Thanks for going completely off topic. It should draw away from RichardT's concerns!

[aReformedPatriot]

No, not yet. I still have all my hair and such. Actually, I have more hair than I used to. Weird!

I don't feel old. I still feel 16. I guess when you get married and have kids, you slip away from the things you once had time to enjoy. Time being the keyword there.


I checked out the WoW site. I might sign up and play. I sued to play a lot of Zelda (yes, the original NES), Metroid, etc. Most recently, with the PS2 I would play Call of Duty and those type games. Dungeons and Dragons was popular back when I was growing up. Is this anything like that? Seems to be, but with more of a LOTR twist.

Thanks for going completely off topic. It should draw away from RichardT's concerns!

If you sign up for WoW, join the Magtheridon PVP server!

It's fun so far and I usually hate video games. By far its the only game Ive sat down and honestly played since Final Fantasy VII came out for the Playstation when I was in 8th grade.

[arunma]

well, since this thread is totally off topic, hmm.. only a couple of weeks till Christmas!

I hope that it isn't. I would appreciate if Richard would answer my earlier questions.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

If you sign up for WoW, join the Magtheridon PVP server!

It's fun so far and I usually hate video games. By far its the only game Ive sat down and honestly played since Final Fantasy VII came out for the Playstation when I was in 8th grade.
Are you Alliance or Horde? Human or what? I'm downloading the free 10 day trial to see if I like enough to pay for the full version.

[Sword-In-Hand]

Are you Alliance or Horde? Human or what? I'm downloading the free 10 day trial to see if I like enough to pay for the full version.

OOOH!! WoW is a great game.

If anyone who plays wants to say hello, give a tell to Vandorallen or Khazren on the Bonechewer pvp server. Alliance all the way.

And I'm 30, so don't feel bad.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

OOOH!! WoW is a great game.

If anyone who plays wants to say hello, give a tell to Vandorallen or Khazren on the Bonechewer pvp server. Alliance all the way.

And I'm 30, so don't feel bad.
HA!! It seems I have been missing out on some great gaming! And I thought one had to have a PSP, PS2 or 3, or the Wii to have gaming fun!

[DeaconDean]

I hope that it isn't. I would appreciate if Richard would answer my earlier questions.

Does seem to be a little side-tracked doesn't it?

God Bless

Till all are one.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

Yeah, sorry about that. Perhaps, we should start a WoW thread!

[DeaconDean]

RichardT, I must say, that I agree with my brother arunma. In light of what you have posted in several other threads, I do not doubt your sincerity, or your faith, or you profession of salvation. But what concerns me is the teachings of your church. (Geocentralism, visible church and rejection of the universal invisible church)

Let me say brother that we are genuinely concerned over this. Since your so young, and by the way, there is nothing wrong with that, but since your so young, perhaps you should devote some time reading and really studing Systematic Theology from a Baptist POV. I wouldn't overly suggest John Calvin at first, but several that are quite good would be: John Gills "Body of Practical Divinity" and "Body of Practical Divinity." Or another very good one would be James Petigru Boyce's "Abstract of Systematic Theology." Or John L. Dagg's "Manual of Theology." Another good one would Robert Dabney's "Systematic Theology." Any one of these are good study tools for practical understanding of why we believe what we believe. Before I would accept what was preached from the pulpit, we must "test" the prophets. We must not accept as the gospel each and every word that the preacher says. We must not follow each pastor "blindly." The Bible teaches us to test the prophets to see if they are of God or not.

1) A true prophet does not lie. His predictions will be fulfilled. (Jer. 28:9, "But the prophet who prophesies peace will be recognized as one truly sent by the LORD only if his prediction comes true.")
2) A true prophet prophesies in the name of the Lord, not in his own name. (2 Pet. 1:21, "For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.")
3) A true prophet does not give his own private interpretation of prophecy. (2 Pet. 1:20, "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.")
4) A true prophet points out the sins and transgressions of the people against God. (Isa. 58:1, "Shout it aloud, do not hold back. Raise your voice like a trumpet. Declare to my people their rebellion and to the house of Jacob their sins.)
5) A true prophet is to warn the people of God's coming judgment. (Examples of judgment such as portrayed in Isa. 24:20, "The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls --never to rise again." and Rev. 14:6, 7, "Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth --to every nation, tribe, language and people. He said in a loud voice, 'Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.'").
6) A true prophet edifies the church, counsels and advises it in religious matters. (1 Cor. 14:3, 4, "But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.")
7) A true prophet's words will be in absolute harmony with the words of the prophets that have preceded him. (Isa. 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.")
8) A true prophet recognizes the incarnation of Jesus Christ. (1 John 4:1-3, "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.")
9) A true prophet can be recognized by the results of his work. (Matt. 7:16-20, "By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.")
10) A true prophet acts in accordance with the will and approval of God. (Deut. 18:19, "If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.")

And after all, the one who gets up in the pulpit and speaks God's word, is he not a prophet? Yes he is because the scriptures from which they preach always say: "Thus sayeth the Lord."

Test what is taught.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[UBERROGO]

There is a free theology class online at www.bible.org (http://www.bible.org). Even though it is free it probably could start charging when ever they want to, because it is that good. It is taught by 2 protestants, I dont know what denomination. They give you a whole run down, with church history included. They also have a couple of books that are required reading that youd have to get at a library or buy yourself. It is a serious class, I HIGHLY recommend it.

Anyways I like the anvilmar server myself for WoW.

[rita727]

If they have been following up on you, its too late to change your profile. You will have to change your screen name.
What? I change my profile. I don't think you have to change your s/n, to change your profile.

[JPPT1974]

Nah I pass on it since I don't like
Anything to do with witchcraft
As it is does with satanism.